Chimpanzees are vengeful but not spiteful
August 10, 2007 9:48 AM Subscribe
This post was deleted for the following reason: this is an abstract to a paper not available without purchase so as a songle-link goes it's pretty "eh" -- jessamyn
You need to be at a uni to get the full paper, unfortunately, but the abstract spells it out pretty well.
posted by overhauser at 9:54 AM on August 10, 2007
posted by overhauser at 9:54 AM on August 10, 2007
What would a chimp do to someone who posted an abstract with the full article behind a pay wall?
posted by srboisvert at 9:55 AM on August 10, 2007 [3 favorites]
posted by srboisvert at 9:55 AM on August 10, 2007 [3 favorites]
The way this site prompts me for a login for the full paper makes me as mad as a Bakersfield chimp.
posted by zek at 10:01 AM on August 10, 2007
posted by zek at 10:01 AM on August 10, 2007
Puts a whole new meaning behind oppose-able thumbs...
posted by Eringatang at 10:06 AM on August 10, 2007
posted by Eringatang at 10:06 AM on August 10, 2007
Wow, interesting, cos I am spiteful but not vengeful.
posted by everichon at 10:10 AM on August 10, 2007
posted by everichon at 10:10 AM on August 10, 2007
My favorite part was how the authors declare no conflict of interest at the end. Not one single one of those authors is himself a chimapnzee?
posted by creasy boy at 10:13 AM on August 10, 2007
posted by creasy boy at 10:13 AM on August 10, 2007
are there any news or other articles on this anywhere? that little thing is not really enough to flesh it out.
Not one single one of those authors is himself a chimpanzee?
Not for a million years or so. : >
posted by amberglow at 10:17 AM on August 10, 2007
Not one single one of those authors is himself a chimpanzee?
Not for a million years or so. : >
posted by amberglow at 10:17 AM on August 10, 2007
Somewhere, at some chimp compound at a university, there will be thoe people who will try to teach spitefulness to chimps so they can be more like real people. Once accomplished, the chimps will register as Republicans.
posted by Postroad at 10:20 AM on August 10, 2007
posted by Postroad at 10:20 AM on August 10, 2007
5 million.
posted by Henry C. Mabuse at 10:21 AM on August 10, 2007
posted by Henry C. Mabuse at 10:21 AM on August 10, 2007
here's a press release.
Sorry, I should have put them in the original post.
posted by overhauser at 10:25 AM on August 10, 2007
Sorry, I should have put them in the original post.
posted by overhauser at 10:25 AM on August 10, 2007
What a confusingly written abstract. What is the purpose of the first sentence? And are they talking about retaliation or spitefulness there? It would seem to be retaliation from the second clause, except that they use the word "people", which differentiates it from chimps, so presumably it would be spitefulness.
posted by DU at 10:26 AM on August 10, 2007
posted by DU at 10:26 AM on August 10, 2007
So, from the abstract, they are suggesting that chimps are smart enough to not act in a vengeful way when it will cause harm to themselves as well?
Perhaps we should study these chimps culture more closely, it appears that they have a lot to teach us about how we should behave.
posted by quin at 10:27 AM on August 10, 2007 [1 favorite]
Perhaps we should study these chimps culture more closely, it appears that they have a lot to teach us about how we should behave.
posted by quin at 10:27 AM on August 10, 2007 [1 favorite]
i couldn't find any reference to my favorite vengeful chimp story in brief searching, but here it is:
early days of the space program, the effects of acceleration were being studied in chimps using rocket sleds. before the test began, the researcher gave the chimp a banana, and as the chimp was eating it, the rocket sled started up and mashed the banana in the chimp's face.
one month later, same test...same chimp. the researcher gave it a banana before the test, and the chimp mashed the banana in the researcher's face.
posted by bruce at 10:27 AM on August 10, 2007 [1 favorite]
early days of the space program, the effects of acceleration were being studied in chimps using rocket sleds. before the test began, the researcher gave the chimp a banana, and as the chimp was eating it, the rocket sled started up and mashed the banana in the chimp's face.
one month later, same test...same chimp. the researcher gave it a banana before the test, and the chimp mashed the banana in the researcher's face.
posted by bruce at 10:27 AM on August 10, 2007 [1 favorite]
At last, a clear difference between MetaFilter and chimpanzees.
posted by Wolfdog at 10:29 AM on August 10, 2007
posted by Wolfdog at 10:29 AM on August 10, 2007
Spider monkeys, in the meanwhile, will fuck you up just for the fun of it, and to hell with the consequences. Each and every one of them is a little Lee Marvin.
posted by Astro Zombie at 10:40 AM on August 10, 2007 [1 favorite]
posted by Astro Zombie at 10:40 AM on August 10, 2007 [1 favorite]
They are vengeful but not spiteful seems like reach from just this one test, though.
Maybe these chimps go for years, hiding and nursing a grudge, and then, just when you least expect it, like a ninja the chimp rises up and BANG! you're dead.
Just a thought.
posted by misha at 10:48 AM on August 10, 2007 [1 favorite]
Maybe these chimps go for years, hiding and nursing a grudge, and then, just when you least expect it, like a ninja the chimp rises up and BANG! you're dead.
Just a thought.
posted by misha at 10:48 AM on August 10, 2007 [1 favorite]
MeFi: Spider Monkeys: Each and every one of them is a little Lee Marvin.
posted by jquinby at 10:53 AM on August 10, 2007
posted by jquinby at 10:53 AM on August 10, 2007
See, I thought AZ was suggesting that spider monkeys were little Lee Harveys, which would have been silly, because we all know that mongooses actually fill that niche.
posted by quin at 10:57 AM on August 10, 2007
posted by quin at 10:57 AM on August 10, 2007
Given that anyone can stroll into their local University library and use the computers there for free (and I thought that PNAS was a free-access journal...)...
The primary article. [download link to .pdf, might have to wait before the download button shows up on the bottom left]
please delete if I'm out of line for posting this
posted by porpoise at 11:19 AM on August 10, 2007
The primary article. [download link to .pdf, might have to wait before the download button shows up on the bottom left]
please delete if I'm out of line for posting this
posted by porpoise at 11:19 AM on August 10, 2007
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