Two nights in a row!
November 2, 2001 6:20 AM   Subscribe

Two nights in a row! Whether you love them or you hate them (which I do, GO METS) you had to be blinking your eyes in disbelief after the ninth inning last night. Can the Yankees actually make the claim that they are Gods team? Have any others that could compete for that title?
posted by Grok09 (44 comments total)
Can the Yankees actually make the claim that they are Gods team?

No; I think the Angels might, though.

posted by alumshubby at 6:34 AM on November 2, 2001

None of us needs to call M.I.T...
I might have to, to understand the rest of that paragraph.

Coincidently the jammy UK football team.. (sorry *soccer*) Manchester United, which they teamed up with to sell merchandise - also has that "it aint over till the fat lady sings" attitude and always manages to pull some remarkable and against all odds feat out of the bag seconds b4 the whislte goes
posted by monkeyJuice at 6:44 AM on November 2, 2001

Isn't the REAL shocker in this series the fact that the Yankees -- with all the checkbook talent that Steinbrenner could buy -- should have been winning this series hands down! Coming back at the bottom of 9th with 2 outs -- seems like a script written for the movie Major League 3.
posted by Rastafari at 6:49 AM on November 2, 2001

on 'mike and mike in the morning' on espn radio, one of the diamondbacks was definately using supernatural language. i clicked every link on the espn site but couldn't find the quote.

i hate the yankees too...but as an O's fan, i gotta root for mussina, and, crap, give them the whole 'destiny' thing. arrgh.
posted by danOstuporStar at 6:55 AM on November 2, 2001

Man, I hate the Yankees. I have been a Red Sox fan for years can empathize with D Back fans. Sorry D backs it looks like you are going to lose. Damn Yankees!
posted by aj100 at 6:56 AM on November 2, 2001

Dunno, mebbe the Expos, but only if they're cast in the role of Job...
posted by spnx at 7:03 AM on November 2, 2001

when you can basically buy championships these days. how can anyone be really surprised about this?

is anyone in there right mind going to bet against the yankee winning again this year?
posted by Qambient at 7:09 AM on November 2, 2001

Q, I'm as much of a Yankee hater as anyone (go Tribe), but when you consider that the two teams with the next-highest payrolls (the Dodgers & the Red Sox) didn't even make the playoffs, how can you say that the Yankees are buying championships? It's not about spending the most money, it's about spending money the right way - witness the Texas Rangers spending $252 million on a shortstop after finishing last in the league in ERA last year and subsequently finishing last in the league in ERA again this year.
posted by zempf at 7:24 AM on November 2, 2001

Now this is a moment for obscenity! : )

If the Diamondbacks somehow manage to win, I will quickly buy a Diamondback tee-shirt.

Why is it surprising that the Yankees are a level above any other team? They spend the most money, because the team is fed by the biggest media market. Not that there's a direct relationship between $ and quality, but the relationship's pretty direct.

Second, I admire the Yankees but detest their fans. I just don't get the psychology of being fan of a team which usually wins and is supposed to win--too easy to the point of pointlessness. In none of our lifetimes will the Yankees cease being the most winning team in sports, whatever they do, so what's the point? I guess the world is divided into people who relate to underdogs, and those who do not. If my Mets somehow started to win year after year, I would, basically, lose interest. Maybe the rest of the world views the United States the way I view Yankee fans?

And howcome that Mefi spell check feature recognizes the word "Yankees", but not "Mets"?
posted by ParisParamus at 7:31 AM on November 2, 2001

And howcome that Mefi spell check feature recognizes the word "Yankees", but not "Mets"?

Clearly they bought their way in.
posted by Sinner at 7:58 AM on November 2, 2001

I was shouting at the TV last night, as soon as the Dbacks started messing around with the relief pitchers. I just knew it was going to happen again. AHGGGGGGG
posted by bjgeiger at 8:01 AM on November 2, 2001

So is there anyone out there who thinks they are not going to win it all?
posted by Grok09 at 8:04 AM on November 2, 2001

I was watching it last night, and I just knew the Yankees would pull it out again. It's all scripted out you know. Baseball is now right up there with the WWF, except the WWF has better acting.
posted by Mark at 8:11 AM on November 2, 2001

It just makes my eyeballs throb to contemplate another fucking Yankees win. GO AWAY!

I probably wouldn't get so incensed if it weren't for the ongoing presence of Chuck aka "Fuck," aka "The Knob," aka "The Knobster," aka "Crazy-Throwin' Guy," aka "Overpaid Mook," aka "Batting Stance of the Damned," aka "Fuck-Weasel" Knoblauch.

But I do.
posted by Skot at 8:16 AM on November 2, 2001

D-backs in 7. Oh yes. This is all to ensure that Roger Clemens, everyone's favourite beanball/bat-throwing turncoat, has to face some chin music. And the victory will be all the sweeter. George Steinbrenner's Faustian pact has to come to a Faustian end some time, and the stage is set.
posted by holgate at 8:27 AM on November 2, 2001

And though it has no rational basis, Scott Brosius and his pointy nose bloody well infuriates me. Especially his pointy nose.
posted by holgate at 8:29 AM on November 2, 2001

yes, as an A's fan I can honestly say that the Yankees flat-out just know how to win. Their ability to do so is certainly bordering on the supernatural. They have repeatedly gone up against better teams. They have rightfully been pummeled in the first two games of each series (A's and DiamondBacks) - only the Mariners fell from the very beginning. But when they need to, they win. It's that simple.

It's all scripted out you know. Baseball is now right up there with the WWF, except the WWF has better acting.
posted by Mark

Mark, what the hell are you smoking? And where can I get me some?
posted by xochi at 9:10 AM on November 2, 2001

If it was scripted, the pitcher would have been Saudi, not Korean.
posted by ParisParamus at 9:13 AM on November 2, 2001

I'm betting on the Yanks. But then again I want another parade, being that I'm a Yankee fan.
posted by tomorama at 9:39 AM on November 2, 2001

I'm also a Yankee fan, and I am very happy today. Also very surprised and amazed. I guess I shouldn't be surprised at this point. But it's always a different hero, and that's cool. Game 4, it was Martinez and Jeter. Game 5 it was Brosius and Soriano. Game 6 (and Game 7, if necessary) will be tough, but it feels like destiny or something.

Just to prove that some Yankee fans can show compassion, I feel for the Arizona reliever B.Y. Kim. Here's a good article from on how tough it must be to be him right now.

(By the way, this sports-related thread is an interesting example of Matt's point in a MetaTalk discussion about categories on MeFi.)
posted by msacheson at 10:05 AM on November 2, 2001

Nice to see some Yankee haters here. I HATE HATE HATE THE YANKEES!!!
What really kills me is that most of the national media is in NYC and they're all Yankee fans. They have that gleam in their eyes when the Yankees win and now they have the gaul to wrap it up into some sort of patriotic, anti-terrorist message. I think it would be good for the country if maybe the richest team from the richest city didn't win for a change. Grrr...
posted by drunkkeith at 11:16 AM on November 2, 2001

Not that logic or truth plays any role in this type of conversation but... the Yankees had a winning tradition before the days of bought talent. And, as stated earlier, the other big dollar teams - the Dodgers & the Red Sox - haven't gotten anywhere close to postseason. Also, if you must hold tight to the "big $ buys the series" fallacy, no one is stopping the other teams from "buying" good players. And as a Yankee fan, I can back up Joe T. on the whole "you never get tired of winning" idea.

But, in the end, no matter what happens this weekend, the Yankees have still won 26, including the last 3. ;-)
posted by kasnj at 11:21 AM on November 2, 2001

This says it all.
posted by magcarl at 11:24 AM on November 2, 2001

The only team I hate more than the Yankees is the Cowboys. Stupid D-Backs are blowing their chance. And yes, you can love NYC all you want but it is okay to hate the Yanks.
posted by owillis at 11:41 AM on November 2, 2001

I am no Yankee fan, and am rooting for the DBacks even though they beat my Giants. I think the Snakes can still win, but Johnson has to have a complete game tomorrow. I think that's the key.

owillis, I feel ya on the Cowboy thing. Us Niner fans hate them too.
posted by Kafkaesque at 12:12 PM on November 2, 2001

As bad as the Yankees are there is nothing worse than their song this year. Who else has heard the "EH EH HOW YA DOIN!!!" song. The Mets' song in 86 rocked the Yankees song in2001 just plain blows!
posted by Grok09 at 12:25 PM on November 2, 2001

Faustian is the only word that I can come up with. . .Perhaps we should grudgingly give Jeter, Brosius, et al their time to enjoy all of this in that once they depart this earth, their souls are in for an eternity of darkness and torment. . .

oh. . .btw I'm not especially fond of the Yanks either. . .
posted by Danf at 12:41 PM on November 2, 2001

Faustian is the only word that I can come up with. . .Perhaps we should grudgingly give Jeter, Brosius, et al their time to enjoy all of this in that once they depart this earth, their souls are in for an eternity of darkness and torment. . .

oh. . .btw I'm not especially fond of the Yanks either. . .
posted by Danf at 12:42 PM on November 2, 2001

"EH EH HOW YA DOIN!!!" song.

Someone have a link? Doesn't sound familiar

P.S: Baseball on TV is best experienced with the sound off. Same for Michael Kaye and John Sterling on radio.
posted by ParisParamus at 12:55 PM on November 2, 2001

I am from NY, I love the Yankees...
The Diamonbacks are a bunch of hicks for Arizona, especially Randy Johnson.

The city needs a World Series win especially at a time like this, it will surely bring up the spirits of the city residents.
posted by yevge at 12:58 PM on November 2, 2001

Yes, another go with the 20-some others.

They need another ring like I need another hole in my head.
posted by Mark at 1:01 PM on November 2, 2001

now they have the gaul to wrap it up

A 2000-year old French pitcher (preferably with the throwing arm of Asterix)?
posted by liam at 2:14 PM on November 2, 2001

The city needs a World Series win especially at a time like this, it will surely bring up the spirits of the city residents.

I'm one of those. My spirits would be lifted by a Yankees loss. And that's even without the obscene promise of a Tickertape parade 250 feet from the World Trade Center (if that goes forward).
posted by ParisParamus at 2:34 PM on November 2, 2001

Raised a Red Sox fan, been a Mariners fan since I moved here in '94, I can say unequivocally that I hate the Yankees. But I hate almost as much this crazy notion that these wins are the product of "mystique" or "magic" or "miracles". Unbelievable luck, but more than that unbelievably stupid managing by Bob Brenly. Rob Neyer at ESPN sort of covered this- a lot of people have, because among statheads and baseball writers, Brenly's been a disaster this series- but Brenly's making some stupid decisions, like he thinks on some level that to "beat the Yankees" he's got to overmanage. Oddly, the success against the Yankees comes from being a better team that doesn't try too many stunts.

Seriously, I feel terrible for Kim, but he never should have been out there for game 5; he threw 61 pitches the day before, which was part of the reason he finally yielded another homerun in the 10th of game 4. But to bring him BACK out the very next night in the same pressure situation in Yankee Stadium of all places!?! Have you EVER heard of any pitcher since, oh, 1930 throwing 61 pitches on one day and even coming near a mound the next? Schilling had thrown 88 pitches when he was pulled for Kim in Game 4; it was wise to pull him, but then why put a reliever to throw nearly as many pitches- and then put him BACK in the next night? Brenly was asking for that to happen. Kim may be his best reliever, but really- after Kim gave up the lead-off double, why leave him in? In a 2-run game, the first base-runner usually means the hook for the pitcher at that time; why tempt fate? They went to Morgan one batter too late, and Morgan retired 7 straight (which raises the question, why did he then pull Morgan after 7 straight outs to put in Albie Lopez, he of the 19 losses this year?). He'd only have needed 3 of those outs if he had starte the ninth instead of Kim.

And have you ever seen starting pitching this good in a series? Schilling, Johnson, Anderson, Schilling, and now Bautista have all put out ludicrously good performances, better than the Yankees in every case but with Anderson/Clemens (and even then it was a 1-1 game when he left). That the D-Backs are down 3-2 isn't "magic", it's Brenly being a rookie manager that looks like he has no idea what he is doing, bunting like its going out of style and putting in overworked relievers so they can have a nervous breakdown in the middle of the game! If he pulls Johnson or Schilling at any point in games 6 or 7- short of a bone fracture- he oughta be summarily kicked out of organized baseball for life. I think if Schilling or Johnson get tired, they'd learn to throw with their other hand between innings before letting themselves get taken out of the game!

And don't even GET me started on having Matt Williams bunt in the 10th against Rivera with runners on 1st and 2nd and no-outs. Unbelievably bad managing.
posted by hincandenza at 2:43 PM on November 2, 2001

Yeah, the Diamondbacks are a bunch of hicks from Arizona. Because baseball teams are composed of people from the city in which they are based. (Ichiro Suzuki = Native Seattlite.)

The Yankees are about the most damaging element of baseball right now, to me at least. They're the Microsoft of the sports world. I love the game, but baseball is just becoming too predictable these days.
posted by Hildago at 2:50 PM on November 2, 2001

After a season that's seen some real promise outside the expected cities -- Minnesota's early promise, the Phillies' young team, the Cubbies' bloody fantastic pitching -- to have it end with the Yankees winning yet-a-bloody-gain would feel ever so much like a balloon slowly deflating. It won't happen.

(But hincandenzera, with all respect, Matt Williams hasn't hit for toffee this series, and Rivera doesn't usually give away more than a couple of fly balls in an outing. Worst of all, Williams hasn't been patient when hitting, which meant that he wasn't the ideal choice to try and make Rivera throw a few more pitches. I was thinking "bunt or double play", and was glad when he bunted.)

Brenly's main problem at Yankee Stadium: he didn't play enough little ball. (And the defence was often shite.) I suspect that will change.
posted by holgate at 4:17 PM on November 2, 2001

I'm a Mets fan, but I have to love the irony of this comment, given who scored the winning homer in Game 4.
posted by liam at 4:32 PM on November 2, 2001

randy johnson born: September 10, 1963, Walnut Creek, California (a san fran suburb i think)
posted by danOstuporStar at 4:38 PM on November 2, 2001

Regular season baseball is still interesting: Seattle's fast start, Oakland's surge, Boston's meltdown, home run races, etc.

But postseason baseball is _broken_. The same old Yankeeball every year. The so-called Curse of the [Babe Ruth] Bambino is afflicting not just the Red Sox but the entire country. That's why playoff TV ratings are down: we've all seen this stuff already, and it's no longer engaging.

Last year's "World Series" was a satire: the entire "World "shrunk down to just five boroughs. Just like the famous New Yorker cartoon, with nothing but empty scrub west of the Hudson.

NYC: All our hearts have been with you since 9/11; we've sent blood, supplies, money, and people. We look forward to you picking yourself back up, and representing the U.S.

Nonetheless, to _hell_ with the Yankees. They are not America's team (there's no such thing). They've long ago worn out their welcome. And they can take the Mets, Giants, Jets, Knicks, Rangers, and Islanders with them.

(P.S. Yankees : baseball :: Lakers : basketball)
posted by kurumi at 6:08 PM on November 2, 2001

When all is said and done, I think this is one of the greatest Series I've ever seen. As I said, I'm a Giants fan and am actually rooting for the Snakes, but it's been high drama. I am also enjoying the fact that I've gotten my wife, who used to despise baseball, into it. Well, I can't take all the credit. Ken Burns and Barry Bonds may have had some influence.
posted by Kafkaesque at 7:20 PM on November 2, 2001

People say the Yankees win not because of their money, but because of their [pick one: a) chemistry b) heart c) mystique]. However, the reality is that the Yankees have options other teams don't have; we hear that the Yankees are built around the homegrown talent, but that's only because they keep that homegrown talent where other teams can't afford to; most other teams watch their farm-system jewels (i.e., Pay-Rod) grow too big for the franchise and go off to bigger paychecks, but not these Yankees, oh no. This extends to the draft, when the best picks might be passed by the lesser teams because they know they can't afford to sign them, leaving other teams like the Yankees to scoop them up directly or through trade. They also can and do spend far more on scouting at all levels.

Notice how good the Yankees were when they were the biggest franchise in sports from the 20's through the 60's. It can't be a coincidence that not long after free agency became a reality, the Yankees started suffering through that Mattingly-led blackout of success- they couldn't hoard all the best players any more. But eventually, skyrocketing free agent salaries even down to draftees right out of high school put the Yankees back in the driver's seat.

Brian Cashman is a good GM, but he's no Billy Beane: Cashman and Steinbrenner never have to make the tough choice, and when a player becomes a free agent in the Yankee system, he'll probably end up re-signing because if the Yanks really want him they'll outbid anyone. Meanwhile, ever notice how when other team's free agent superstars are the subject of off-season rumors, "New York" is always one of the places suspected as a 'possible' team to pick them up, even if NY isn't remotely interested. This is true of A-Rod even with Jeter on the Yankees already, it's what you hear about Jason Giambi now, it's true of everyone from Manny Ramirez to Mike Mussina to Roger Clemens- oh hey, those last two actually are on the Yankees, despite being two of the best right-handers in the game today and two of only about 10 true "aces" in the majors (interestingly, two of the others pitch for the D-Backs- but to afford them, you'll notice Arizona had to suffer a huge talent drop-off after that). Gee, what a coincidence- imagine if Minnesota could have signed Mussina and Clemens, or Seattle, or Philadelphia... the list goes on and on. NY doesn't get every big free agent, but they get the ones they really want- and they never lose the ones they have, unless they choose to let the go. They were outspent by the Red Sox this year, which shows that yes, a stupid GM like Duquette can waste a fortune, but it's still a LOT easier to win when you've got the megabucks to do so.

Do you think Seattle might have been even better this year against the Yankees in the ALCS if they still had Johnson and A-Rod? They were unquestionably the better team this year, but a bad 10- game stretch to start the playoffs ended their season prematurely. But who knows- A-Rod at short instead of the tuberculosis ridden no-hit/good-glove Carlos Guillen or his replacement Mark McLemore, or the Big Unit still in Seattle pitching games 1 and 5 instead of, say, Aaron Sele- and we're talking about a Seattle-Braves World Series.
posted by hincandenza at 7:27 PM on November 2, 2001

My problem with baseball is I take it WAY too seriously, it's always a battle between good and evil. And the fact is, Clemens sold his soul to Satan by betraying the Yankees, David Justice is an alleged wifebeater, and Derek Jeter is the third most evil person in baseball (#1 Chipper Jones, #2 John Rocker). I can't explain why, he is just EVIL INCARNATE. It's not just the dating Mariah Carey thing, there's more to it. I can't put my finger on it. Whereas Tony Womack, Randy Johnson, Steve Finley, Matty Williams, and especially the Cubbies martyr Mark Grace deserve a time in the sun. Why is everybody rooting for Goliath?
posted by babydoll at 7:43 PM on November 2, 2001

You know, I'm with you on the Derek-is-Evil feeling. Not only is he one of the worst defensive shortstops in the major leagues (although his bat is pretty good, enough to make him a valuable player), as a total player he's nowhere near the class of A-Rod or even a healthy Nomar- heck, Miguel Tejada is far better defensively and in some ways his equal offensively, at a mere fraction of the cost- yet the media calls him "one of the best players in baseball", and stoopid, stoopid women seem to think he's "hot stuff". Puh-leeze... they don't say that if he plays for the Marlins or isn't as rich as he is now, pure and simple.

Anyway, I've long felt he has the creepiest fuckin' eyes. Seriously- tell me those aren't the eyes of a born psychopath, especially when he's got that constant creep-o-rama half-smirk on his mug all the time. American [League] Psycho, if you ask me... I'm NOT going to argue about this...
posted by hincandenza at 8:12 PM on November 2, 2001

I certainly doesn't help that Fox has installed the permanent Jeter-cam for all of these games. Dropped pop-up? Cut to Jeter in the dugout. Eagle flying? Jeter looking indifferent with a required cap over heart. It's unbearable; 9, 10, 11 innings of Jeter Jeter Jeter. The great thing about this series was that Jeter's performance in the first 3 9/10 games was so horrible that his face was slowly, slowly starting to fade from the stage. But now, no matter what happens, Jeter is the protagonist.

I'm not going to argue with you, hincandenza. I bet if we could have some omniscient access to how many top-level athletes are utter sociopaths, we'd throw up our copies of Baseball Prospectus.

How do I know? I'm a Mariners fan. I'm not really a Yankees hater by profession, although I'm entirely on the D-Backs side. I'm a disinterested watcher.

Yet when I watch these games, I feel like there's electrical cabling in all my blood vessels and the juice is on all the time. I'm wrung out at the end of each game, and I dream baseball each night. Imaging not only needing this feeling but thriving in it. That must be some serious emotional dislocation.

I met A-Rod once (some kids interviewed him for a newspaper I worked for, and I took pictures), and he had Jeter's eyes, too: barely sentient but not sleepy; distant, empty, sharp. If it's not offensive, I'd say they were Ted Bundy's eyes (not that I assume A-Rod is a killer). It's a creepy kind of personality, and it must perform well.
posted by argybarg at 1:57 PM on November 3, 2001

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