"The Bible says it's gross"
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posted by jessamyn (staff) at 10:15 AM on March 23, 2013
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 10:15 AM on March 23, 2013
She's amazing. I love the bit "if more people had guns there'd be fewer guns on the shelves in stores" that she appears to have made up on the spot.
posted by chrchr at 10:18 AM on March 23, 2013
posted by chrchr at 10:18 AM on March 23, 2013
I'm pretty sure all of that was made up on the spot. She seems to hit her stride about half way through, which is pretty impressive considering that she hasn't played the role in almost 4 years.
posted by KGMoney at 10:21 AM on March 23, 2013
posted by KGMoney at 10:21 AM on March 23, 2013
There are two things we can thank Sarah Palin for: Insuring that McCain did not get in the White House, and this.
posted by HuronBob at 10:24 AM on March 23, 2013 [1 favorite]
posted by HuronBob at 10:24 AM on March 23, 2013 [1 favorite]
Gah, the sound is not in sync with the video. Can't watch, how do people watch that? It's like watching static.
posted by headnsouth at 10:24 AM on March 23, 2013
posted by headnsouth at 10:24 AM on March 23, 2013
Insuring that McCain did not get in the White House, and this.
See, this doesn't match with my recollections at all. The way I remember it McCain was already sunk and at no point did it look like a close race to anyone but Fax News, the birthers, bigots, and some few true party faithful. Palin was a hail mary pass. She reinvigorated and energized the base, got people who felt marginalized by the old white guys to have someone they could believe in, etc. You can say she sunk his campaign, but that's like blaming something other than the iceberg for the Titanic. That ship was already going down. That's how I remember it. I could be wrong.
posted by cjorgensen at 10:30 AM on March 23, 2013 [2 favorites]
See, this doesn't match with my recollections at all. The way I remember it McCain was already sunk and at no point did it look like a close race to anyone but Fax News, the birthers, bigots, and some few true party faithful. Palin was a hail mary pass. She reinvigorated and energized the base, got people who felt marginalized by the old white guys to have someone they could believe in, etc. You can say she sunk his campaign, but that's like blaming something other than the iceberg for the Titanic. That ship was already going down. That's how I remember it. I could be wrong.
posted by cjorgensen at 10:30 AM on March 23, 2013 [2 favorites]
anyone but Fax News, the birthers, bigots, and some few true party faithful
49.7% of those who voted.
Isn't this all played out? I'd really wish for this whole embarrassing persona to disappear into the nostalgic collective rather than have it thrown out there whenever we need a geek to gawk at.
posted by jsavimbi at 10:34 AM on March 23, 2013 [1 favorite]
49.7% of those who voted.
Isn't this all played out? I'd really wish for this whole embarrassing persona to disappear into the nostalgic collective rather than have it thrown out there whenever we need a geek to gawk at.
posted by jsavimbi at 10:34 AM on March 23, 2013 [1 favorite]
The elements of the right that adore her are still powerful, and until that changes Palin's got a free ride. Don't see her giving that up anytime soon. Fortunately, it looks like she doesn't want to actually run for any office, but she will remain a voice of insanity along with Huckabee, Rush, etc.
I think that "The Bible says its gross" was a great ad lib since it gets to the underlying contempt for homosexuality that drives the right coupled with the desire not to be accountable for their mean-spirited moral judgments by blaming God/Jesus/the Bible for them. But I always get uncomfortable watching these interviews with the fawning audience just begging to be given a syllable of a joke that they can laugh uproariously to.
posted by skewed at 10:44 AM on March 23, 2013 [2 favorites]
I think that "The Bible says its gross" was a great ad lib since it gets to the underlying contempt for homosexuality that drives the right coupled with the desire not to be accountable for their mean-spirited moral judgments by blaming God/Jesus/the Bible for them. But I always get uncomfortable watching these interviews with the fawning audience just begging to be given a syllable of a joke that they can laugh uproariously to.
posted by skewed at 10:44 AM on March 23, 2013 [2 favorites]
Obama won by less than two million votes. It was close. Every election is that close. It really could have been Sarah Palin who made the difference.
posted by orange swan at 10:48 AM on March 23, 2013
posted by orange swan at 10:48 AM on March 23, 2013
But I always get uncomfortable watching these interviews with the fawning audience just begging to be given a syllable of a joke that they can laugh uproariously to.
That's like being angry at Johnny Cash's fans for getting excited when he sang Ring of Fire. When Person You Love does Thing You Love, it's exciting!
And Fey doesn't flog this to death...as was mentioned, she hasn't dragged this bit out in several years. She's been doing other amazing things, like the talented person she is.
posted by emjaybee at 10:49 AM on March 23, 2013 [5 favorites]
That's like being angry at Johnny Cash's fans for getting excited when he sang Ring of Fire. When Person You Love does Thing You Love, it's exciting!
And Fey doesn't flog this to death...as was mentioned, she hasn't dragged this bit out in several years. She's been doing other amazing things, like the talented person she is.
posted by emjaybee at 10:49 AM on March 23, 2013 [5 favorites]
I like Tina Fey, it was more the atmosphere of the James Lipton show that I was talking about. I feel bad for her to have been called on to do this shtick on cue.
posted by skewed at 10:53 AM on March 23, 2013
posted by skewed at 10:53 AM on March 23, 2013
> "The way I remember it McCain was already sunk and at no point did it look like a close race to anyone ... Palin was a hail mary pass."
Well, not exactly. It's true McCain had been trailing behind Obama for almost the entire summer, but right around mid-August he finally closed the gap and there was a short period when the polls were showing a tied electoral college. Just as he started falling behind again, Sarah Palin was announced as his running mate at the end of August. At that time, on metafilter, at least, opinion was divided as to whether this was a brilliant move that was going to win McCain the race or a colossal screw-up that spelled the end whatever chance he might have had.
And, to be fair, the McCain campaign rallied again in mid-September, and for a little while he actually led Obama in the polls for the first time since May.
Then the economy collapsed. McCain's reaction to this seemed disjointed at best and panicked at worst. He began sliding in the polls again. After the first debate, his poll numbers essentially collapsed and never recovered. The number of electoral votes he ended up with were lower than he'd ever polled until late October.
Selecting Sarah Palin was a high-risk move by a campaign that had been mostly trailing for months, but it wasn't the act of a campaign in complete desperation. When Palin was selected, it really looked like he might still have a realistic shot at a come-from-behind victory. Early October was the first time you could really say, "Yeah, this is over."
posted by kyrademon at 10:58 AM on March 23, 2013 [2 favorites]
Well, not exactly. It's true McCain had been trailing behind Obama for almost the entire summer, but right around mid-August he finally closed the gap and there was a short period when the polls were showing a tied electoral college. Just as he started falling behind again, Sarah Palin was announced as his running mate at the end of August. At that time, on metafilter, at least, opinion was divided as to whether this was a brilliant move that was going to win McCain the race or a colossal screw-up that spelled the end whatever chance he might have had.
And, to be fair, the McCain campaign rallied again in mid-September, and for a little while he actually led Obama in the polls for the first time since May.
Then the economy collapsed. McCain's reaction to this seemed disjointed at best and panicked at worst. He began sliding in the polls again. After the first debate, his poll numbers essentially collapsed and never recovered. The number of electoral votes he ended up with were lower than he'd ever polled until late October.
Selecting Sarah Palin was a high-risk move by a campaign that had been mostly trailing for months, but it wasn't the act of a campaign in complete desperation. When Palin was selected, it really looked like he might still have a realistic shot at a come-from-behind victory. Early October was the first time you could really say, "Yeah, this is over."
posted by kyrademon at 10:58 AM on March 23, 2013 [2 favorites]
HuronBob: "There are two things we can thank Sarah Palin for: Insuring that McCain did not get in the White House, and this."
Tina Fey did her part for both those outcomes too, methinks. Thanks Tina!
posted by chavenet at 11:04 AM on March 23, 2013
Tina Fey did her part for both those outcomes too, methinks. Thanks Tina!
posted by chavenet at 11:04 AM on March 23, 2013
I think the left tends to overestimate Palin's political liability in 2008. What little hard evidence there is suggests that she might have been a slight boost (exit polls indicate that McCain actually did better among voters who thought Sarah Palin was an important factor in the election.
In retrospect it's easy to think "Well, she's so terrible, and I remember all the stupid stuff she said, she must have been a liability." Surely she was, for some people, not everyone. I think it's a chilling and depressing idea that Palin might have been a net positive for McCain, but I don't think there's an airtight argument either way. There was so much else going on that most people rightfully considered to be more important.
Oh, and about those polls that indicated McCain was tied in September, wasn't that directly after the convention? I could be wrong but I thought except for outliers like Gallup, the poll average was got screwy for a week or so but quickly settled back to a more comfortable margin.
posted by skewed at 11:09 AM on March 23, 2013
In retrospect it's easy to think "Well, she's so terrible, and I remember all the stupid stuff she said, she must have been a liability." Surely she was, for some people, not everyone. I think it's a chilling and depressing idea that Palin might have been a net positive for McCain, but I don't think there's an airtight argument either way. There was so much else going on that most people rightfully considered to be more important.
Oh, and about those polls that indicated McCain was tied in September, wasn't that directly after the convention? I could be wrong but I thought except for outliers like Gallup, the poll average was got screwy for a week or so but quickly settled back to a more comfortable margin.
posted by skewed at 11:09 AM on March 23, 2013
Isn't this all played out? I'd really wish for this whole embarrassing persona to disappear into the nostalgic collective rather than have it thrown out there whenever we need a geek to gawk at.
it's not played out, though. palin was at cpac just a few days ago doing her thing, sipping on big gulps, being a maverick, and weighing in on marriage equality. she's not being conjured out of the past by the left looking for someone to beat up. whether we like it or not, she's a current figure.
posted by nadawi at 11:09 AM on March 23, 2013 [7 favorites]
it's not played out, though. palin was at cpac just a few days ago doing her thing, sipping on big gulps, being a maverick, and weighing in on marriage equality. she's not being conjured out of the past by the left looking for someone to beat up. whether we like it or not, she's a current figure.
posted by nadawi at 11:09 AM on March 23, 2013 [7 favorites]
oh, wait, she might not have brought up the gays in that specific speech, but she has recently.
posted by nadawi at 11:11 AM on March 23, 2013 [1 favorite]
posted by nadawi at 11:11 AM on March 23, 2013 [1 favorite]
Is James Lipton playing a character? Like Stephen Colbert does? He's so repulsive that I've never watched more than a minute of him and haven't followed the assorted parodies. But he's not real, right?
posted by the christopher hundreds at 11:18 AM on March 23, 2013
posted by the christopher hundreds at 11:18 AM on March 23, 2013
lipton is generally at good at show running and getting out of the way of the talent. i feel you have to watch him get into his rhythm - if you're just watching him in a minute or two here and there, you're missing what he does. i like inside the actors studio, and i'm sure other hosts would be just as good, but he does a fine job.
posted by nadawi at 11:22 AM on March 23, 2013
posted by nadawi at 11:22 AM on March 23, 2013
As far as I'm concerned, Tina Fey should be enshrined, be-statued, and given any and all national awards, honors and honorifics for her Palin schtick. More than anything else, I'm convinced turning pop culture against that dangerous loon was the deciding factor in her not being VP.
posted by nevercalm at 11:40 AM on March 23, 2013 [2 favorites]
posted by nevercalm at 11:40 AM on March 23, 2013 [2 favorites]
Never let it be forgotten that I was the first MeFite who thought that Palin bore an uncanny resemblance to Miss Fey. You all still owe me twenty bucks each.
posted by ColdChef at 11:44 AM on March 23, 2013 [10 favorites]
posted by ColdChef at 11:44 AM on March 23, 2013 [10 favorites]
So ColdChef you know that McCain and Tina Fey did a photo shoot together in 2004? I heard Tina Fey speculate at some award show that maybe he picked Sarah Palin because Palin looks like Tina Fey.
posted by ambrosia at 11:54 AM on March 23, 2013 [2 favorites]
posted by ambrosia at 11:54 AM on March 23, 2013 [2 favorites]
You know, now that Tina Fey is done with 30 Rock, can someone please, please give her a show in which she plays a useless, bigoted, xenophobic "governor" who can see Russia from her house?
posted by New England Cultist at 12:28 PM on March 23, 2013 [1 favorite]
posted by New England Cultist at 12:28 PM on March 23, 2013 [1 favorite]
In other news, Admission was a terribly disappointing waste of both Tina Fey and Paul Rudd. Ugh. Worst movie I've seen in awhile. My husband fell asleep.
posted by murfed13 at 12:53 PM on March 23, 2013
posted by murfed13 at 12:53 PM on March 23, 2013
In other news, Admission was a terribly disappointing waste of both Tina Fey and Paul Rudd. Ugh. Worst movie I've seen in awhile. My husband fell asleep.
Probably because she didn't write it. Which should be a pre-req for anything anyone puts her in.
posted by New England Cultist at 12:58 PM on March 23, 2013
Probably because she didn't write it. Which should be a pre-req for anything anyone puts her in.
posted by New England Cultist at 12:58 PM on March 23, 2013
See, this doesn't match with my recollections at all. The way I remember it McCain was already sunk and at no point did it look like a close race to anyone but Fax News, the birthers, bigots, and some few true party faithful. Palin was a hail mary pass. She reinvigorated and energized the base, got people who felt marginalized by the old white guys to have someone they could believe in, etc. You can say she sunk his campaign, but that's like blaming something other than the iceberg for the Titanic. That ship was already going down. That's how I remember it. I could be wrong.
I think it's both, to an extent. Sure, Sarah Palin was a hail Mary pass. But she was a hail Mary pass that was fumbled and caught by the other team, which said team then used to score a touchdown.
Palin was an attempt to re-invigorate the base with a "true conservative," and gain points with the younger, more female demographics. It probably would have worked, too... if not for the fact that Palin was obviously, astonishingly ignorant about pretty much everything going on outside of Alaska. She wasn't just uninformed by the high standards we use to judge politicians: that might be understandable. But Palin managed to be ignorant to the point where you'd expect your average dropout stoner to be a bit more knowledgeable and worldly. The fact that she still gets a lot of respect from republicans, and has some political commentating gig on Fox News, really tells you everything you need to know about the right-wing base.
But to be fair, she could see Russia from her house. And she stopped them from building that bridge to nowhere... the same bridge that she had been a huge proponent of before she starting running for Vice President. And those mean journalists asked her 'gotcha' questions, like 'what's your favorite newspaper?'
posted by Green Winnebago at 1:03 PM on March 23, 2013 [2 favorites]
I think it's both, to an extent. Sure, Sarah Palin was a hail Mary pass. But she was a hail Mary pass that was fumbled and caught by the other team, which said team then used to score a touchdown.
Palin was an attempt to re-invigorate the base with a "true conservative," and gain points with the younger, more female demographics. It probably would have worked, too... if not for the fact that Palin was obviously, astonishingly ignorant about pretty much everything going on outside of Alaska. She wasn't just uninformed by the high standards we use to judge politicians: that might be understandable. But Palin managed to be ignorant to the point where you'd expect your average dropout stoner to be a bit more knowledgeable and worldly. The fact that she still gets a lot of respect from republicans, and has some political commentating gig on Fox News, really tells you everything you need to know about the right-wing base.
But to be fair, she could see Russia from her house. And she stopped them from building that bridge to nowhere... the same bridge that she had been a huge proponent of before she starting running for Vice President. And those mean journalists asked her 'gotcha' questions, like 'what's your favorite newspaper?'
posted by Green Winnebago at 1:03 PM on March 23, 2013 [2 favorites]
Sarah Palin's value to McCain wasn't in swinging voters to his side.
It was her ability to generate turnout of voters already predisposed to vote Republican. Recent elections have been as much about turnout as it's been about making an actual case. Karl Rove knew this in 2004 -- hence the anti-gay state measures that coincided with the election. People showed up for that and a Bush vote.
Fortunately (or unfortunately, depending on where you stand), Obama in 2008 was a sea-change candidate that generated a colossal turnout all by himself. Or you could argue that Palin generated a negative turnout (lots of people showing up because they hate you).
posted by Cool Papa Bell at 1:35 PM on March 23, 2013 [1 favorite]
It was her ability to generate turnout of voters already predisposed to vote Republican. Recent elections have been as much about turnout as it's been about making an actual case. Karl Rove knew this in 2004 -- hence the anti-gay state measures that coincided with the election. People showed up for that and a Bush vote.
Fortunately (or unfortunately, depending on where you stand), Obama in 2008 was a sea-change candidate that generated a colossal turnout all by himself. Or you could argue that Palin generated a negative turnout (lots of people showing up because they hate you).
posted by Cool Papa Bell at 1:35 PM on March 23, 2013 [1 favorite]
I remember reading a critic who nailed why Fey's impression of Palin is so devastating: because her parody only has to turn up the volume on the original ever so slightly to render it completely farcical.
posted by dry white toast at 1:49 PM on March 23, 2013 [7 favorites]
posted by dry white toast at 1:49 PM on March 23, 2013 [7 favorites]
ambrosia:
posted by smcameron at 1:56 PM on March 23, 2013 [2 favorites]
So ColdChef you know that McCain and Tina Fey did a photo shoot together in 2004? I heard Tina Fey speculate at some award show that maybe he picked Sarah Palin because Palin looks like Tina Fey.If that's not true, it should be.
posted by smcameron at 1:56 PM on March 23, 2013 [2 favorites]
I haven't watched James Lipton very often because the few times I have he's been a terrible interviewer. The trick to interviewing is to be able to ask questions that will enliven your guest, questions you know will bring out the thing that is particularly amazing about them. I've never seen him get that. He seems to ask dull questions that leave them stammering for something interesting to say, which is a good way to go if you're doing a hostile interview of a politician but not when you're showcasing a performer.
posted by George_Spiggott at 2:09 PM on March 23, 2013 [1 favorite]
posted by George_Spiggott at 2:09 PM on March 23, 2013 [1 favorite]
I think Lipton delivers questions to actors for ad-lib performances in a slow and deliberate way so that they have a moment to get into character and form a response.
posted by zippy at 2:10 PM on March 23, 2013 [4 favorites]
posted by zippy at 2:10 PM on March 23, 2013 [4 favorites]
More accurately, he doesn't so much ask dull questions as ask questions that are meant to sound interesting or clever as questions, rather than meant to produce interesting answers from the person who is actually in front of him.
posted by George_Spiggott at 2:10 PM on March 23, 2013 [1 favorite]
posted by George_Spiggott at 2:10 PM on March 23, 2013 [1 favorite]
After initially being turned off by Lipton, I watched about ten of his interviews. He asks several of the same questions in every interview, but also does a shit-ton of research so he can draw out particular experiences and impressions. He usually surprises his interviewees by asking them about some role or event or teacher they may not have thought about for decades, or ever been asked about.
It's interesting, the switch from "what's your favorite swear word" (asked of everyone) to "what was it like when you played your first role in Henry III at (Local Community Theater in 1957)?" Followed up by "You grew up around the corner from (locally known person) who went on to (do something famous/infamous) tell me about that."
It's like watching a therapy session between an actor and their biographer.
posted by zippy at 2:21 PM on March 23, 2013 [5 favorites]
It's interesting, the switch from "what's your favorite swear word" (asked of everyone) to "what was it like when you played your first role in Henry III at (Local Community Theater in 1957)?" Followed up by "You grew up around the corner from (locally known person) who went on to (do something famous/infamous) tell me about that."
It's like watching a therapy session between an actor and their biographer.
posted by zippy at 2:21 PM on March 23, 2013 [5 favorites]
James Lipton is awesome and I won't hear otherwise. He's been doing interviews for 200 episodes on a show that still seems primarily to be a workshop for actors and not a normal publicity-grabbing talk show. He's a neutral canvas that lets any actor shine in their own way without making the show about him. And he often makes fun of himself.
Geico commercial
Bizarre series of PSAs
Arrested Development
Advice for Mitt Romney
on atheism and Will Ferrell
Will Ferrell interviews himself as Lipton
on presidential candidates again
posted by mmoncur at 4:21 PM on March 23, 2013 [2 favorites]
Geico commercial
Bizarre series of PSAs
Arrested Development
Advice for Mitt Romney
on atheism and Will Ferrell
Will Ferrell interviews himself as Lipton
on presidential candidates again
posted by mmoncur at 4:21 PM on March 23, 2013 [2 favorites]
I remember reading a critic who nailed why Fey's impression of Palin is so devastating: because her parody only has to turn up the volume on the original ever so slightly to render it completely farcical.
Sarah Palin, the original, is so farcical that the volume really doesn't need to be turned up at all. Tina Fey did a dead-on impression of Sarah Palin, not a farce.
posted by leftcoastbob at 5:12 PM on March 23, 2013
Sarah Palin, the original, is so farcical that the volume really doesn't need to be turned up at all. Tina Fey did a dead-on impression of Sarah Palin, not a farce.
posted by leftcoastbob at 5:12 PM on March 23, 2013
If I ever find a magic lamp, my wish is that I get to hang out for a night with a group that includes Tina, Amy, Jlaw and Hugh Jackman.
posted by NorthernLite at 6:10 PM on March 23, 2013 [1 favorite]
posted by NorthernLite at 6:10 PM on March 23, 2013 [1 favorite]
Okay. I'm delighted to be wrong. I do remember one of the "favorite dirty word" questions, which got Alec Baldwin riffing memorably on the word "assbag". I'll stop avoiding Actor's Studio now.
posted by George_Spiggott at 6:31 PM on March 23, 2013
posted by George_Spiggott at 6:31 PM on March 23, 2013
Sarah Palin, the original, is so farcical...
... that in one of the early SNL sketches riffing on her Katie Couric interview, there was a section in the middle where they just used Palin's actual interview answer, verbatim.
Seriously, go look it up. I'm still kind of astonished that this didn't get more play at the time -- possibly the most famous target of satire in the last 20 years and it really wasn't written, per se.
posted by Cool Papa Bell at 6:59 PM on March 23, 2013
... that in one of the early SNL sketches riffing on her Katie Couric interview, there was a section in the middle where they just used Palin's actual interview answer, verbatim.
Seriously, go look it up. I'm still kind of astonished that this didn't get more play at the time -- possibly the most famous target of satire in the last 20 years and it really wasn't written, per se.
posted by Cool Papa Bell at 6:59 PM on March 23, 2013
T. Fey is great. Especially having to pull out that impression on-the-spot.
One thing I really like about Inside the Actor's Studio is Lipton's rapport with the audience and how psyched those students are to be watching this interview.
It always seemed to me that his show is a great showcase for actors because the enthusiasm of the audience reminds me of what a special and talented person the performer is. At least this is true of the episodes that I've seen, such as his interview with Jim Carrey.
posted by beau jackson at 7:25 PM on March 23, 2013 [1 favorite]
One thing I really like about Inside the Actor's Studio is Lipton's rapport with the audience and how psyched those students are to be watching this interview.
It always seemed to me that his show is a great showcase for actors because the enthusiasm of the audience reminds me of what a special and talented person the performer is. At least this is true of the episodes that I've seen, such as his interview with Jim Carrey.
posted by beau jackson at 7:25 PM on March 23, 2013 [1 favorite]
I think Lipton delivers questions to actors for ad-lib performances in a slow and deliberate way so that they have a moment to get into character and form a response.
Fey's comedy roots are in Chicago improv. She comes from Second City. This sort of thing is a second language for her.
posted by shakespeherian at 9:47 PM on March 23, 2013
Fey's comedy roots are in Chicago improv. She comes from Second City. This sort of thing is a second language for her.
posted by shakespeherian at 9:47 PM on March 23, 2013
Dear Bravo:
Put the schedule for this show on your web site so I know when the frackin' dipsnark it will be on so I don't miss stuff like this.
I'm already bitter about having missed Liam Neeson, and now this. Don't make me hurt you.
Thank you in advance (and I can withdraw those thanks if you don't comply),
EC
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 10:01 PM on March 23, 2013
Put the schedule for this show on your web site so I know when the frackin' dipsnark it will be on so I don't miss stuff like this.
I'm already bitter about having missed Liam Neeson, and now this. Don't make me hurt you.
Thank you in advance (and I can withdraw those thanks if you don't comply),
EC
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 10:01 PM on March 23, 2013
Actually, "gross" seems like a pretty good modern translation of "abomination," as used in the Old Testament.
posted by Brachinus at 6:25 AM on March 24, 2013
posted by Brachinus at 6:25 AM on March 24, 2013
Actually, "gross" seems like a pretty good modern translation of "abomination," as used in the Old Testament.
I just searched the word "abomination" in an online version of the Old Testament: it occurs 69 times, including the (in)famous "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." Then again, those Bible-writers seemed to find a lot of things gross: "A false balance is abomination to the LORD: but a just weight is his delight."
posted by anothermug at 7:45 AM on March 24, 2013
I just searched the word "abomination" in an online version of the Old Testament: it occurs 69 times, including the (in)famous "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." Then again, those Bible-writers seemed to find a lot of things gross: "A false balance is abomination to the LORD: but a just weight is his delight."
posted by anothermug at 7:45 AM on March 24, 2013
it's not played out, though. palin was at cpac just a few days ago doing her thing, sipping on big gulps, being a maverick, and weighing in on marriage equality. she's not being conjured out of the past by the left looking for someone to beat up. whether we like it or not, she's a current figure.
Sadly true. And there's this:
Going rouge: Sarah Palin proudly wears a red Chick-fil-A shirt to Phoenix Suns game
Chick-fil-A Foundation’s Anti-LGBT Giving Nearly Doubled
posted by homunculus at 11:47 AM on March 24, 2013
Sadly true. And there's this:
Going rouge: Sarah Palin proudly wears a red Chick-fil-A shirt to Phoenix Suns game
Chick-fil-A Foundation’s Anti-LGBT Giving Nearly Doubled
posted by homunculus at 11:47 AM on March 24, 2013
Actually, "gross" seems like a pretty good modern translation of "abomination," as used in the Old Testament.
Nope. No way.
The key part of the English word "abomination" comes from the Latin "ominari," which means "an omen." Omens are not merely "gross." When the Latin translator from Hebrew/Greek reached for this word, he was trying to express something bad that signified the imminent arrival of something worse. Abominations weren't gross. They meant the world was coming to an end.
"Gross," on the other hand, comes to English from French, where it meant "fat and ugly."
posted by Cool Papa Bell at 12:55 PM on March 24, 2013 [2 favorites]
Nope. No way.
The key part of the English word "abomination" comes from the Latin "ominari," which means "an omen." Omens are not merely "gross." When the Latin translator from Hebrew/Greek reached for this word, he was trying to express something bad that signified the imminent arrival of something worse. Abominations weren't gross. They meant the world was coming to an end.
"Gross," on the other hand, comes to English from French, where it meant "fat and ugly."
posted by Cool Papa Bell at 12:55 PM on March 24, 2013 [2 favorites]
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