Troy, Michigan mayor Janice Daniels, who faced outrage late last year over a Facebook update that read "I think I am going to throw away my I Love New York carrying bag now that queers can get married there" and months later said she wanted an expert to testify that homosexuality is a mental illness at an anti-bullying forum spoke out again this week as she faces down a recall vote in November.posted by ericb at 12:38 PM on June 15, 2012 [3 favorites]
Daniels appeared on Charlie Langton’s morning show Wednesday on Talk Radio 1270, CBS Detroit reports:“What I said while I was mayor … I was in a business meeting, I come from a business perspective … I said that I would bring a doctor into a meeting that would say that the homosexual lifestyle is dangerous,” Daniels said, adding,”Had I been with a group of smokers I might have said I would like to bring a doctor into this meeting to say that smoking is dangerous.”This week, organizers of a recall campaign against her delivered signatures:
Is it dangerous to be gay? Langton asked.
“I think that doctors can make a case for it certainly,” the mayor said, adding that she “had no opinion” on whether being gay is more dangerous than smoking.Organizers of the recall campaign reportedly delivered 9,300 signatures Tuesday to the Elections Division at the Oakland County clerk’s office. The Detroit News said the group needed 7,985 valid signatures by June 15 to force the recall election — which means unless the signatures are challenged as invalid, the recall election will happen in November.Watch WXYZ Detroit's report on the recall.
I'm bookmarking this for the next time somebody posts the Bill Hicks marketing rant.Given what you just said, how does it refute Bill Hicks? It seems like a perfect example of their duplicity in general. It isn't even clear if this is a good thing of if they're just lying about that too. I mean, if they lied about wanting to burn books how do you know they're not just lying about what would happen without the money? I mean that's the whole thing: we already know they're liars so how can you say they lied about the goals of their opponents, but aren't lying about what their opponents were trying achieve?
As to the morality of the action - it's tricky. Clearly they have good intentions, and it seems to have helped. But they lied about their actual intentions.
Sounds to me like the Tea Party served an excellent purpose here, albeit unintentionally. By attempting to block a worthy tax, they forced the library and its friends to creatively demonstrate to the voters just how worthy that tax is. Democracy is great!Yeah, except the library wasn't involved in the campaign.
Maybe if the fuckwit Dems got Dean instead of milquetoast Kerry we would have had some of this fight before... Just like fuckwit dems/lefties voted for Barrett in the WI primaries. Idiots. Now THIS is how you do it, you fucking "progressives".Eh, I'm all for keeping libraries open, but if you think dishonesty and lies are the way to get "progressives" victories in general count me out. The problem is you start out lying about what the republicans want ("They don't just want low taxes, they literally want to burn books for fun!") and then the next thing you're lying about your own policies – voters assume (correctly) that you're full of shit and tune you out.
Interesting that this viewpoint is so common amongst my fellow liberals. You'd think group that is such a big fan of The Wire would know it's all in the gameRight, clearly modeling a political movement after a criminal syndicate is the way to succeed in America. Some people think that's the problem.
This is a neat campaign, but to overthink this for a second, closing a library and burning books aren't precisely the same thing?No. In one case they are burned. In another case they are... not. The books would probably be given away, sold on Amazon, it's not like they wouldn't go anywhere, unless they were books no one wanted.
[Michael Moore] actually a conservative trying to make the left look dishonest and stupid? I'd buy that, actually.When was the last time he was dishonest about something?
Except, we have ample evidence of the Democrats trying to compromise in good faith with the GOP (which right now is essentially the tea party) and the GOP just digs their heels in harder, often, against all reason.Since when is "not compromising" the same as "lying to the public". The democrats won big in 2006 and 2008. In DC they had a majority of the house and 60 votes in the senate and the Whitehouse. they didn't need to compromise they had total control. They needed to compromise with Joe Liberman and other dishonest democrats - the same kind of dishonest people you're now championing who turned out to be perfectly willing to lie to liberals and stab them in the back on behalf of their corporate sponsors when it actually mattered.
Finally an explanation from the Book Burners. But a poor one at that.So basically, an ad agency created a dishonest "social media campaign" and then took credit for saving the library. And people in the thread are lauding them for their "effective" use of dishonesty and complaining that democrats don't lie enough, which is why they lose, even though they actually won control of congress in '06 and then won a senate super majority and the whitehouse in '08. *rolls eyes*.
You, the Book Burners, claim you wanted to ”turn the rational conversation into an emotional one.” Clearly, you have not followed this issue as closely as you claim. This is not an emotional issue?
Then you have never spoken to one member of the Friends of the Troy Library who poured heart, soul, and donations into trying to win the November millage. Nor to the current Save Troy organizers, who have gone door-to-door with tireless zeal, explaining to their neighbors the importance of a library to the community.
You have never read the Books for Walls Project blog, whose writers – though they live 250 miles away – have championed the cause of the Troy Library, not only to the State but in Europe and beyond. You have never read any of the posts on the Letters to the Children of Troy on blogs around the world. You have never read one of the hundreds of comments on the Library’s website.
You have never stepped foot into the Troy Library to see children streaming in, with their parents unable to catch up. Or the lines of unemployed waiting to register for computer classes.
And certainly, you have never talked to a Library staff member who has spent the past two years listening to this outpouring of emotion for the Library from the public, while riding her own emotional roller coaster.
And now your comment seems to be taking credit for some “new” emotional response you have imagined you created: “Today, people are talking. They’re talking online, talking on the phone, and talking over their fence. They’re talking about books and what it means to lose a library.” And you think this is because of you?
I am appalled.
You did nothing to help support the Troy Public Library on August 2. All you did was cause confusion that Library supporters have been trying to avoid at all costs, as the previous elections were confused enough. All you did was add more divisiveness and bickering in a community that should be united on its love and need for a library. All you did was violate election laws in pursuit of political satire. And all you did was add no signs on the streets and avenues in Troy where none existed.
You have done nothing to help support the Troy Library. Do not take any credit from the hardworking women and men who have.
Next time, I would suggest you try your political theatre in Royal Oak, where your signs claim your office is. Or in Livonia, where your treasurer works. Or in Detroit, where your committee is registered. That would help support the Troy Public Library more.
Phillip Kwik
P.S. While I am employed by the Troy Library, these comments reflect my own views
The last time? I don't think he's stopped, has he? As far as when he most recently was dishonest about something, I don't know.
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