Some time on Wednesday, Chelsea says the customer who had left the receipt contacted her Applebee’s location, demanding that everyone be fired, from the servers involved to the managersAhh, christian charity.
It's unfortunate that Chelsea Welch will not be able to pay her rent or food bills because a supposed minister of God chose to call and have her fired for wounding the minister's pride. A simple apology does not pay her rent or feed her. How nice to have a job as a minister, where there is no fear of getting fired if you wound someone's pride. "Do not keep talking so proudly or let your mouth speak such arrogance, for the LORD is a God who knows, and by him deeds are weighed." 1 Samuel 2:3
The pastor called it a "lapse in my character and judgment" that "has been blown out of proportion." Somewhat an ironic statement coming from someone who ordered Applebee's to fire everyone who came into contact with the receipt.*posted by ericb at 12:27 PM on January 31 [5 favorites]
For her part, Welch did what she could to avoid having Bell's identity exposed, asking Reddit to stop posting the personal information of potential culprits.posted by ericb at 12:31 PM on January 31 [2 favorites]
In fact, Bell still isn't sure what exactly she did wrong.
"I didn't break any specific guidelines in the company handbook - I checked," said Welch, who had no complaints about her service prior to this week. "Because this person got embarrassed that their selfishness was made public, Applebee's has made it clear that they would rather lose a dedicated employee than lose an angry customer. That's a policy I can't understand."
Neither will Reddit, which is no longer being kept at bay by Welch, and has already put out a call to "grab them pitchforks." *
"I give God 10%; Why do you get 18%"Um...That 10% ain't going to to anyone named God. It's going to your own church. Some of it right back into your own pocket. Goddamnit, I hate people...
Mat 23: 23 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. 24 You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.You can't make this kind of thing up.
For all the shit that can be posted on Reddit, there is one rule that is upheld: thou shalt not dox, meaning to post private information about other Reddit users.That rule applies to anyone's personal information, user or not. It's not always fully enforced, I guess, but it seems like the identifying information was dug up on other sites.
But for regular people, post away! lolololol
I hate that place.
I don't understand how she posted something on Reddit and her employer found out it was her. Did she have her real name on her account or something? Why would you do that?I'm guessing there are only a few people who would have had access to the recipt and it might have been obvious who it was, and they might have admitted it when asked. Also, it's likely the poster didn't expect it to go super-viral. Tons of stuff gets posted to reddit that only gets a couple upvotes then goes away. She probably just thought she was dishing to some friends on the internet, without knowing how popular it would become.
I disagree with this very strongly. I don't think Chelsea should have been fired because Pastor Bell was identified. Pastor Bell should have been identified. Look, you can't treat people like shit in private and then get mad because your behavior gets exposed.Yeah. Bell chose to write the note. She documented her own assholishness. She can't complain that documentation which she produced was made public. It's not surprising that the waitress was fired, but that's not the same thing as deserving it.
It isn't optional. A person who is doing honest work should make a living wage, I think most people would agree with this.Yeah, but like I said. You might feel that it's not optional, but clearly it is. And obviously restaurant owners, who actually pay the rent on the building want you to come even if you're not going to tip. It's a crap system, but is the system.
That being said, it was in no way Chelsea Welsh's place to post that note, with identifying information attached. First off, it wasn't even Ms. Welsh who got no-tipped. Secondly, even Ms. Welsh claims to have understood that it was wrong to post identifying information about a customerWhy would you expect that notes you write to other people should be considered private information? Posting her personal information is against reddit's rules, but that doesn't mean it's "wrong" in general.
How happy would you guys be if a local restaurant advertised the fact that you were a customer there? Do you think that because you're normally good tippers you "have nothing to hide"?Sure, I probably wouldn't go to a restaurant that published how much I tipped, but as I am no the owner of said Applebee's, why should I have a problem with it? "Costing your employer money" is a reason to get fired, but that doesn't make it "Wrong" in some universal sense.
I'm pretty sure that nothing in her employee manual permitted her to photograph credit-card slips and/or publish them on the Internet.I think it's pretty unlikely they specifically banned it either. Again, it's not surprising they fired her, but "costing the company money" isn't the same thing as "morally wrong". If you cost a company a ton of money or get them bad press, you'll probably get fired whether or not you broke any specific rule.
... Christians leave an average tip of 17.3 percent when the service is good and this is well within the 15 to 20 percent restaurant tipping norm, so on average Christians are not bad tippers. Third, if you define poor tippers as those leaving less than a 15 percent tip for good service then only 13 percent of Christians are poor tippers. Granted this percentage is higher than the 7 percent of non-affiliates and 2 percent of Jews that would be classified as poor tippers under the same criteriaAll this and more from... you got it... Tipping Research.com.
... The effects of frequency of worship on tipping were [also] assessed... more religious people (as reflected in worship frequency) are not particularly poor tippers and servers’ perceptions that very religious Christians tip poorly are incorrect.
"Question 2: Are Black-White Differences in Restaurant Tipping Due to Race Differences in Socio-Economic Status?The paper later suggests that the social expectations of how much to tip differ across communities, as the surveys done on the question of what a normal tip level is vary by community. It recommends 'education' of the customers. The whole paper is interesting, although seems unlikely to be widely cited rate for obvious reasons.
The possibility that Black-White differences in tipping are really just disguised socio-economic differences can be tested using the national telephone surveys described under Question 1, because those surveys included information about the respondents’ educations and incomes. This information can be used to assess and remove the effects of education and income before looking at Black-White differences in tipping. When this is done to the national survey data, Black-White differences in stiffing, flat tipping, and tip size persist (Lynn, 2004b; Lynn & Thomas-Haysbert, 2003).
For example, the results of comparing Black-White differences in tipping before and after statistically controlling for education, income, and some other demographic variables in the study by Lynn (2004b) are presented in Table 2. Across all three outcome measures, the results before and after controlling for education and income are virtually the same, with only slight differences caused by loss of those subjects for whom control-variable data were missing. These data suggest that Black-White differences in tipping are largely independent of socio-economic differences between the races."
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