December 15, 2001
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Although I'm a believer in the right to bear arms(with reservations), I have this sinking feeling that if the price was right, Beretta would be happy to sell you a gun emblazoned with the Afghan flag.
posted by jonmc at 4:24 PM on December 15, 2001


Yeah, it's tacky, but no more so than all of the marketing b.s. we've been handed since 9/11 from Giuliani endorsing tourism to GM trying to sell you SUVs at zero percent financing.

Don't forget to wave your cheap plastic Chinese made American flag!

Doesn't bother me. Tell the sheep what to buy and they'll buy it.
posted by zeb vance at 4:56 PM on December 15, 2001


(Plus, it's for the children.)
posted by Dirjy at 4:59 PM on December 15, 2001




Yaaaaah, right, like having a personal-defense weapon handy is really going to help fight terrorism. Statistically you're more likely to blow your damn foot off with one of these things. And I'm a gun owner, by the way.
posted by alumshubby at 5:21 PM on December 15, 2001


I also think it's stupid.

They're 9mm guns. Everyone knows that 9mm doesn't pack much punch..


Atleast a .45 has "stopping power".
posted by BlitzK at 5:56 PM on December 15, 2001


"In every respect, these new Homeland Security Model shotguns are up to the demanding tasks which lay before us as a nation. "

bwahahahahah! I needed a good laugh before heading out for the evening. That's a riot.

"This pistol is testimony that the American spirit will not be diminished during this national crisis."

oh... that's rich! wow.

At least Beretta is donating a portion of the proceeds to the NYPD Foundation and the Suvivor's Fund of the National Capital Region.
posted by jewishbuddha at 6:02 PM on December 15, 2001


You'll shoot your eye out.
posted by jbelshaw at 6:30 PM on December 15, 2001


If we don't all go out and buy these things, it'll mean that the terrorists win, you know.
posted by diddlegnome at 6:35 PM on December 15, 2001


I'm beginning to believe that they deserve to.
posted by Optamystic at 6:47 PM on December 15, 2001


Bah! Rednecks have already carved an 'Merican flag next to their "rebel's forever" insignia on their rifles already, what good is this going to do?
posted by fuq at 6:49 PM on December 15, 2001


The first I read that I thought it the laser was in the shape of flag. "Look out Saddam! Old Glory was right on your shoulder!"

I wonder how many of these will turn up in airports? I've been curious about the guy at O-Hare with all those knives and the taser. Considering he hasn't been charged with attempted hijacking I can only assume he brought all that stuff out because of paranoid self-defense. Now you can be patriotic with your paranoia.

Tacky.
posted by skallas at 8:00 PM on December 15, 2001


If I'd been in the World Trade Center, I wish I'd had one of these guns so I could shoot the terrorists.

There'd be only one chance, you know, but I'd be ready.
posted by dhartung at 8:29 PM on December 15, 2001


Well, that chance is gone, now you need one to shoot the anthrax!

*BANG* dead anthrax!
posted by rhyax at 9:16 PM on December 15, 2001


Everyone knows that 9mm doesn't pack much punch

not when the target is swaddled in kevlar, anyway. otherwise (unless you're dealing with someone ODing on PCP) the 9mm is quite capable of stopping anyone.
posted by phalkin at 9:38 PM on December 15, 2001


(re: phalkin's link to safetyslug.com)

Yeah, those Glaser safety slugs sure are neat. A couple of years ago, my dumbass, redneck boss (of whom I was very fond) accidentally shot himself in the hand (very nearly shooting me in the process). Since the gun was loaded with a "safety slug", (the slugs explode when they hit a target) what would have been a relatively minor wound (with a normal bullet) was turned into a critical one. Ever tried to get "exploded hand" out of office carpet? It ain't no kind of fun.

P.S. He eventually died from complications related to the injury. I love guns.
posted by Optamystic at 10:20 PM on December 15, 2001


When a guy who calls himself "donkeyschlong" says something is tacky, you know he means it. ;-)
posted by Potsy at 1:20 PM on December 16, 2001


The vanity of thinking that you can defend your home from trained international terrorists with an Ithaca 20-gauge is only matched by the vanity of thinking that they would want to attack your house.

Even so, I imagine that while you're enjoying the smooth, 100% guaranteed American Made pump-action on that bad boy, they would be lighting the room up with second-hand Red Army Kalashnikovs.
posted by Hildago at 4:45 PM on December 16, 2001


Potsy -- you'd betta believe it. :)
posted by donkeyschlong at 6:20 PM on December 16, 2001


Potsy -- you'd betta believe it. :)
posted by donkeyschlong at 6:26 PM on December 16, 2001


Damn.
posted by donkeyschlong at 6:29 PM on December 16, 2001


Potsy -- you'd betta believe it. :)
posted by icetaco at 9:56 PM on December 16, 2001


Damn.
posted by phalkin at 11:49 PM on December 16, 2001


Yeah, those Glaser safety slugs sure are neat. A couple of years ago, my dumbass, redneck boss (of whom I was very fond) accidentally shot himself in the hand (very nearly shooting me in the process). Since the gun was loaded with a "safety slug", (the slugs explode when they hit a target) what would have been a relatively minor wound (with a normal bullet) was turned into a critical one.

Isn't this a bit facetious? The "safety" in a safety slug is in that it will not penetrate walls, windows, doors or even thick plant cover thus making it safer for innocent bystanders. It was NOT designed to be safe for anyone directly struck by it.

Oh yeah, last time I checked shooting one's self in the hand is stupid, careless and clumsy. The only one who could have avoided any of these things is the individual in question. I don't mean to make light of this man's plight and eventual fate but blaming anyone or anything other than him is irresponsible and ignorant.

Why those of us who handle guns on a regular basis and have done so for decades without incident should be impacted by the carelessness of others is beyond me.

Anywho, I'll toss in an on topic comment here also! I truly think this type of advertising is irresponsible and tasteless - just like all of the auto manufacturers and others who have jumped on the bandwagon with "patriotic" ads. I don't want people to buy guns because it gives them some illusory sense of security - that is ignorant and dangerous and only places guns in the hands of people who are generally unfamiliar with their use and safety precautions. How people equate owning a gun with a sense of security in light of the 9/11 tragedy is mind boggling! Gun ownership would not have altered the events of that day in any way or changed anyone's fate - so what's the motive?
posted by RevGreg at 1:23 AM on December 17, 2001


Phalkin linked the Glaser site as an example of a way to accentuate the 9MM's stopping power. The point of my comment is that it does a whole hell of a lot more than stop. It explodes when it comes into contact with the target. If that target is a fleshy one, it makes a big, bloody mess.

They market the "exploding slug" action as a way to reduce collateral damage, but it is widely known that an "undocumented feature" of the bullet is the nastiness of the wounds that it inflicts. (And it pretty much guarantees that the surgeon is gonna have a hell of a time getting all the fragments out). Having seen this bullet in action, the phase "stopping power" just don't cut the proverbial mustard. May I suggest "turning-perfectly-good-body-parts-into-hamburger" power?

Strikes me as odd that conventional exploding ammo has been illegal for years, but these things, which have a similar effect on flesh and bone, are perfectly kosher.
posted by Optamystic at 2:37 AM on December 17, 2001


They market the "exploding slug" action as a way to reduce collateral damage, but it is widely known that an "undocumented feature" of the bullet is the nastiness of the wounds that it inflicts.

One more time where legislation directed against the hardware involved in crime has done diddley. Maybe if we focused a heck of a lot more effort on punishing criminals and treating the root causes of violent crime instead of the symptoms we'd be a whole lot more succesful.

It's still cold, hard fact that the bullet has no power to be a destructive force on it's own - it takes human intervention. Modifying the motivations of the human element is the only true method of preventing these problems. Unfortunately, that is a long term activity and not something we can accomplish with a few committee meetings, an ad campaign, some useless legislation and some catch phrases for the six o'clock news. The sort of things that give us a "feel good" in our hearts and still let us not deal with the true realities of the situation...
posted by RevGreg at 4:28 AM on December 17, 2001


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