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June 19, 2014 8:25 PM   Subscribe

Recently, the song "Bitchin' Camaro" by the band The Dead Milkmen was featured during the closing credits of an episode of the Netflix series "Orange is the New Black". Because the Universe is entirely devoid of pity, this somehow led to a mildly profound and deeply disturbing discussion between lead singer Rodney "Anonymous" Linderman's mother and himself on the nature of "selling out".
posted by item (97 comments total) 33 users marked this as a favorite

 
And yes, many adults gathered in conference rooms over vast periods of time to decide this.
posted by louche mustachio at 8:31 PM on June 19 [1 favorite]


It's a great song, but musically it stood out a bit on the show. Good for the band, though; like he says, maybe in syndication they'll cash in.
posted by Dip Flash at 8:41 PM on June 19


"Hey, you got your Dead Milkmen song in my prison!"
"Hey, you got your prison in my Dead Milkmen song!"
posted by Harvey Kilobit at 8:41 PM on June 19


The only of their's I bought was... Bucky Fellini. Going to Graceland was the hit from that disc, at least for me.

Maybe Watching Scotty Die.
posted by notyou at 8:44 PM on June 19 [2 favorites]


It was a bit weird seeing Rodney's got into EBM and industrial since the old days- the Milkmen perform VNV's Control on tour these days, and I keep seeing him commenting on Matt Fanale or Tom Shear's Facebook.
posted by Pope Guilty at 8:45 PM on June 19 [5 favorites]


Hey, Jack, what's happenin'?
posted by louche mustachio at 8:59 PM on June 19 [12 favorites]


Oh, I dunno.
posted by unknowncommand at 9:03 PM on June 19 [16 favorites]


Eh, V.F.W. or Tiny Town are the standouts on Big Lizard in My Backyard.
posted by Chrysostom at 9:04 PM on June 19 [2 favorites]


My high school soundtrack!
posted by KokuRyu at 9:06 PM on June 19 [5 favorites]


Eh, V.F.W. or Tiny Town are the standouts on Big Lizard in My Backyard.

Dean's Dream and Plum Dumb would like to have a word with you, but Spit Sink just wants you to take acid before your annual dentist's visit.
posted by item at 9:11 PM on June 19 [8 favorites]


I don't think he has to worry about selling out. You know what you are? You're a bunch of ...
posted by Curious Artificer at 9:14 PM on June 19 [4 favorites]


oh and The Secret of Life is calling ahead from the early 90's to remind you to keep on taking that acid and you'll feel beautiful and free.
posted by item at 9:16 PM on June 19 [1 favorite]


It was a bit weird seeing Rodney's got into EBM and industrial since the old days

I guess some people will dance to anything.
posted by hydrophonic at 9:20 PM on June 19 [44 favorites]


Is this thread a fair place to voice my disappointment at Paddy Johnson renaming 'Art Fag City' Art F City? I think it is.
posted by 99_ at 9:27 PM on June 19 [2 favorites]


Dammit Hydrophonic!
posted by freebird at 9:31 PM on June 19 [1 favorite]


Gawd, why did I ever like this song?
posted by Slarty Bartfast at 9:35 PM on June 19


Okay, good point, Dean's Dream is solid, too.
posted by Chrysostom at 9:41 PM on June 19 [1 favorite]


You're not like other people here in the trailer park.
posted by stp123 at 9:48 PM on June 19 [9 favorites]


I just want to take this opportunity to point out that the Dead Milkmen are the most awesome band that has ever existed. They are completely brilliant in a totally unexpected and marvelous way. Their song titles are as good as song titles by Half Man Half Biscuit, who are pretty much the gold standard of making awesome song titles. The Dead Milkmen have brilliant songs like "I Dream of Jesus," which is about what it's like if your mother runs a cult, and "The Infant Of Prague Customized My Van," which is about the bodily incorruptibility of saints and saintly relics. They once did a song called "If You Love Someone Set Them On Fire" that starts with the lines "You know that it would be untrue / You know that I would be a liar / If I was to say to you / I didn't set your house on fire." In conclusion, the Dead Milkmen are great, and I love them.
posted by koeselitz at 9:50 PM on June 19 [51 favorites]


(But you all clearly know that. It's just I recently rediscovered that this music that I loved when I was young is still awesome even to my older ears, which is rare enough that it's exciting to me. So I had to get it out.)
posted by koeselitz at 9:53 PM on June 19 [3 favorites]


Must've skipped over the disturbing part.
posted by Sunburnt at 9:55 PM on June 19 [1 favorite]


The last time that I was bored and messing around with Google satellite view, I went and found the exact spot in the street I was standing when I was 12 and someone gave me a taped copy of Big Lizard in My Backyard.

Up on the hilltop where the vultures perch...
posted by stifford at 9:59 PM on June 19 [3 favorites]


I love the inept guitar solo in Punk Rock Girl.
posted by KokuRyu at 10:02 PM on June 19 [7 favorites]


Tony Orlando and Dawn!

I didn't even know my wee baby husband (graduated 1993) knew the Dead Milkmen until those closing credits. I hope the neighbors enjoyed the serenade.
posted by Lyn Never at 10:12 PM on June 19 [4 favorites]


Right. Punk Rock Girl! Who could forget that?

Still, back then and even today, the Milkmen always struck me as what would happen if Huey Lewis fronted the Butthole Surfers. Like frat psycho punk. The Brohole Surfers, maybe.
posted by notyou at 10:19 PM on June 19 [2 favorites]


If they dance to "you'll dance to anything" on a teevee show, that's a synchronization lizard in my backyard.
posted by Cold Lurkey at 10:25 PM on June 19 [6 favorites]


Wow, great to see all the Dead Milkmen love. I was sure this thread was going to be full of haters.

Big Lizard and Eat Your Paisley were part of the soundtrack of my college years. My soundtrack anyway--my "serious" friends who idolized the Clash and Black Flag and the like hated hated hated the Dead Milkmen. I knew right there that they were not the right people to be hanging out with.
posted by LarryC at 10:33 PM on June 19 [3 favorites]


Did they ever open for King Missile? Because that's a show I'd regret having missed,
posted by bashos_frog at 10:33 PM on June 19 [4 favorites]


Did they ever open for King Missile? Because that's a show I'd regret having missed

One of the best shows I ever saw in a lifetime of seeing way too many shows was The Shadowy Men on A Shadowy Planet, Ween (still just a two-piece; when they hit the stage they removed their shoes after announcing the mushrooms they took were stronger than they'd expected), and the Milkmen. The headliners, who nobody seemed to care about, were an awful early 90's version of the Fleshtones. I was 15 years old and this was at Club Clearview in Dallas in 1991 or 1992 and my fake ID pictured a 225 pound Mexican guy. Let's be clear(view) here: when I was 15 I was not a 225 pound Mexican guy.

King Missile were not present, but to bring it all full circle here I remember in the early days of Napster every other copy of 'Detachable Penis' being labeled in as many ways as possible as being a DM song.
posted by item at 10:46 PM on June 19 [14 favorites]


Like frat psycho punk. The Brohole Surfers, maybe.

Jumping Jesus on a pogo stick do I ever pity you.
posted by item at 10:48 PM on June 19 [15 favorites]


So many mornings, so many drives to work, for so long, this was my jam. It never got old. It always cheered me up. It got me through so many tough times. It's still full of delights so many years later. Sell out all you want Milkmen, you've earned it.

Pardon me. It's been a long day. I'll just be over here rocking out like fool.
posted by wobh at 10:48 PM on June 19 [3 favorites]


notyou: "Still, back then and even today, the Milkmen always struck me as what would happen if Huey Lewis fronted the Butthole Surfers. Like frat psycho punk. The Brohole Surfers, maybe."

ThatsTheJoke.jpg
posted by koeselitz at 10:54 PM on June 19 [4 favorites]


It occurs the me reading this that the idea of selling out has been co-opted by (or even created by) what some people would call The Man specifically for the purpose of preventing artists from making money with their own work.

Any artist who becomes big without going through The Man gets shamed with the title of Selling Out after they become successful enough to make a living off of what they do. The only artists that benefit are the products of media companies. They are immune to selling out because they've always been sold out.
posted by arcolz at 10:55 PM on June 19 [6 favorites]


And I'll (maybe) see myself out of my own thread by posting a link to Not Richard, But Dick, the Milkmen's criminally underrated (and now NOT out of print) second release on Hollywood (Disney!) Records from 1993. It's a damn near perfect piece of pop from a band that wrote a shitton of perfect pop perfect pop perfect pop perfect pop pop fucking pop. Listen to it, because for some stupid unexplained reason no one else did.
posted by item at 10:56 PM on June 19 [7 favorites]


Years ago, I "sang" the second half of "Bitchin Camaro" to my daughters, to their great amusement, so tonight I played it for one of them, to see if she remembered it. She didn't.
Well, that led to watching "Punk Rock Girl", which led to "Pepper", which led to "Who Was In My Room Last Night"... By this point, she was asking to leave, but I continued, inflicting upon her "Jesus Built My Hot Rod", then "Stigmata". I finally allowed her to go to bed, without moving on to My Life with the Thrill Kill Kult or Revolting Cocks.
Maybe some other time.
posted by Tool of the Conspiracy at 11:17 PM on June 19 [21 favorites]


TotC, you need to anoint them full circle by playing them Anderson, Walkman, Buttholes and How!, which of course features Gibby Haynes fronting the Milkmen on a song from their 1990 LP.
posted by item at 11:26 PM on June 19 [1 favorite]


You see, and I always get confused about this, but when your music is used in the background or over the credits of a TV, the show has to pay for what's called a performance license. As long as the characters don't interact with your music, the use of the song is covered by the performance license. If the characters interact with the song, let's say they dance or do whatever they do in those women in prison films dad seems to favor; in that case the TV people have to ask for our permission and pay for a synchronization license. All movies and commercials have to buy synchronization licenses for the music they use. A synchronization license will net you more money up front, but performance licenses pay off when a TV show is syndicated. This is why whenever an episode of "Night Caller" airs in Estonia, I get 38 cents. And yes, many adults gathered in conference rooms over vast periods of time to decide this.

I learned SO MUCH right here.
posted by hal_c_on at 11:28 PM on June 19 [9 favorites]


Right. Punk Rock Girl! Who could forget that?

As a girl in the early 90s I know I wanted to meet the Punk Rock Girl and punch her in the face. Least favorite DM song, by far. She was obviously a fucking poser.
posted by fshgrl at 11:37 PM on June 19 [3 favorites]


Well, she was hanging out at Zipperhead.
posted by koeselitz at 11:53 PM on June 19 [6 favorites]


i prefer the phrase 'cash out' rather than 'sell out'.
posted by el io at 12:02 AM on June 20


I like Atom and His Package's cover of "Nutrition".

Also, behold the best of all possible videos of "Stuart".
posted by Pope Guilty at 12:40 AM on June 20 [9 favorites]


I finally allowed her to go to bed, without moving on to My Life with the Thrill Kill Kult or Revolting Cocks. Maybe some other time.

She sounds like a fine person⸺a good American. But do you think a kid like that is gonna know what the queers are doing to the soil?
posted by dephlogisticated at 12:41 AM on June 20 [7 favorites]


Oh man, this song has been my ringtone as long as I've had phones that I could make my own ringtone for. It's always been fun to get the raised eyebrow and knowing nod of recognition from complete strangers, perhaps sparking a bit of conversation. I suppose people are going to want to talk about OitNB now. I really don't want to have to change my ringtone.
posted by calamari kid at 1:33 AM on June 20


As a girl in the early 90s I know I wanted to meet the Punk Rock Girl and punch her in the face. Least favorite DM song, by far. She was obviously a fucking poser.

If it in any way would've made you feel a little better, the singer of 'Punk Rock Girl' is openly gay. The song was written in collaboration with the band's now deceased bass player, Dave Blood. The song's singer (and probable primary writer) Joe Jack Talcum said in a 2002 Mark Prindle interview that "with the Dead Milkmen I was collaborating with three guys who were not gay, so I did not feel comfortable writing anything from an obviously gay point of view. "Punk Rock Girl" for instance was written with Dave, who sings backups".
posted by item at 1:34 AM on June 20 [3 favorites]


But the Bahamas are islands!
posted by chavenet at 2:51 AM on June 20 [9 favorites]


Life is shit.
posted by robocop is bleeding at 3:38 AM on June 20 [2 favorites]


The important part is where you ask what kind of car I got, chavenet.
posted by dr_dank at 4:37 AM on June 20 [3 favorites]


I learned SO MUCH right here.

Except that it's not really true. Any broadcast use has to be cleared with the both the owner of the master (probably either Warner or the band, in this case) and the publisher of the work (this track's publishing is managed by BMG). If that weren't true, you'd hear Rolling Stones tracks in closing credits all the time.

I would be surprised if such a relatively-well-known track didn't fetch at least a nominal sync fee. It's possible that the band isn't participating at all in the broadcast publishing, though, which would be pretty sad.

It is true that there's no compulsory sync fee--you're perfectly free to allow a production to use your master or composition for free--and that the production company is compelled to pay the songwriters and publisher for the actual performance (I think BMI, the PRO collecting for this track, has a deal with Netflix, although I don't think there are any details about the rate; it's probably a percentage of revenue that gets split across all Netflix uses by some arcane formula).
posted by uncleozzy at 4:46 AM on June 20 [1 favorite]


I hadn't listed to them in 20 years and playing the music now, there are some creaky old neurons firing in my brain. So emotional.
posted by infinitefloatingbrains at 5:09 AM on June 20 [3 favorites]


I'm guessing he took extreme liberties in the transcription of the discussion. It was just too perfect. Am I missing the joke where "of course it wasn't a real discussion"?
posted by mantecol at 5:11 AM on June 20 [1 favorite]


Hey dr_dank, what kind of car you got?
posted by chavenet at 5:33 AM on June 20 [3 favorites]


Frequently overheard in our house: "You know what, Stuart? I LIKE you. You're not like the other people...here...in the trailer park."

Burrow owls live in a hole, in the ground.
posted by bitter-girl.com at 5:35 AM on June 20 [6 favorites]


What an odd coincidence - the other day for no apparent reason Watching Scotty Die just suddenly popped into my head and I wound up buying Bucky Fellini to replace the copy I lost decades ago.
posted by Gev at 5:40 AM on June 20


Pope Guilty: "... Atom and his Package.."

oh man, back down the memory hole I go
posted by koeselitz at 5:45 AM on June 20


Well, she was hanging out at Zipperhead.
posted by koeselitz at 2:53 AM on June 20 [1 favorite +] [!]


In Philly? I used to live right above there. The owner Rob, had a halloween concert there where the Dead Milkmen played.

Also, re: King Missle. There's a semi-frat at Penn that hosts a huge party/concert/festival called the Human BBQ. Usually its just a lot of weird/crust/punk local philly bands that play in a basement. But one year, they actually scored KING MISSLE.
posted by MisantropicPainforest at 5:52 AM on June 20 [1 favorite]


Tell me please that all proceeds go to getting their lead singer out of jail.
posted by octobersurprise at 5:55 AM on June 20 [6 favorites]


oh man, back down the memory hole I go

Let's argue over whether Atom is punk rock or not, and stop buying particular zines based on how they answer!
posted by Pope Guilty at 5:57 AM on June 20 [4 favorites]


I saw Atom sing a few songs with the Zambonis once. In a jersey.
posted by jonmc at 6:11 AM on June 20 [1 favorite]


All Camaros are bitchin'...
Punk Rock Girl just sent me off on a Mojo Nixon quest.
posted by MtDewd at 6:11 AM on June 20 [1 favorite]


TFA:

Because the minute you put a song out there, you no longer own it. Oh, your name might be on it, and you might collect some royalties, but the real owners are the people who love that song. The ones who had their first kiss while it was on the radio or the ones who played it over-and-over again to help mend a broken heart, it's their song now.

If you had your first kiss to "Smokin' Banana Peels" or played "Stuart" over and over and again to mend your broken heart, you have probably had a much more interesting life than I have had.
posted by Shepherd at 6:23 AM on June 20 [5 favorites]


If you had your first kiss to "Smokin' Banana Peels" or played "Stuart" over and over and again to mend your broken heart, you have probably had a much more interesting life than I have had.

I was listening to those songs precisely because no one would kiss me. A functioning romantic life would have decimated their audience.
posted by Dip Flash at 6:41 AM on June 20 [7 favorites]


I still just randomly get the song V.F.W. stuck in my head from time to time... (Especially the line about "...they even tried to make me a good little boy by sticking downers in my food" for some reason.)
posted by saulgoodman at 6:43 AM on June 20 [1 favorite]


Funny thing about the idea of "selling out." I'm pretty sure it originally meant selling a business you'd created to someone else and giving up your life's work in return for a fat paycheck, but now we use it in some weird way that only seems to apply to artists and musicians. We don't give nearly as much crap to people who actually literally sell-out their businesses (we usually just say "well good for you.") because, well, that's what start-ups are, and yet with start-ups, selling out is the goal and we seldom look on that culture as much askance as we do on musicians and artists who don't actually sell out, by the literal meaning of the phrase, for the humbler moral offense of merely selling.
posted by saulgoodman at 6:55 AM on June 20 [1 favorite]


Obligatory (sorry if its kinda cliche at this point)
posted by Twain Device at 7:00 AM on June 20


At least I give a shit about the foods I eat.
posted by bakerina at 7:24 AM on June 20 [7 favorites]


I am a long time fan of The Dead Milkmen, and loved Bucky Fellini and "Watching Scotty Die". It was just a few years ago that I found out that there was a somewhat successful folk song that came out before my time called "Watching Scotty Grow". Now I can only assume they were taking a shot at that song...
posted by ill3 at 7:37 AM on June 20 [1 favorite]


Off topic, but I can usually guess that a comment's author is Item in half a sentence.
posted by activitystory at 7:41 AM on June 20 [1 favorite]


Maybe he needs my money more than a man without a home, wants to make a documentary on the footwear of ancient Rome.
posted by Chrysostom at 7:44 AM on June 20


I was tickled at hearing "Bitchin Camaro" in Orange (and still know all the freaking words). I had just thought of it not long ago as a possible inclusion on a mix CD about cars and driving for my 16yo. She'd think it's funny too.
posted by dlugoczaj at 8:01 AM on June 20


Funny you should ask, chavenet, it's a..... um.....

Hold on a minute, it'll come to me.
posted by dr_dank at 8:02 AM on June 20 [3 favorites]


Why the hell do you think they call it a burrow owl, anyway?
posted by spinturtle at 8:13 AM on June 20 [1 favorite]


I'm not sure what to make of the DM / Butthole Surfers comment upthread.
posted by KokuRyu at 8:17 AM on June 20


The Dead Milkmen tour diaries are pretty interesting.
posted by Chrysostom at 8:24 AM on June 20 [2 favorites]


Off topic, but I can usually guess that a comment's author is Item in half a sentence.

It's only because I've met your parents.
posted by item at 8:24 AM on June 20 [1 favorite]


I met Rodney Linderman in Portland once, in, oh, 1992 or so. At the X-Ray Cafe, this sort of gutterpunk coffeehouse downtown where street kids and Queer Nation and a bunch of other randos hung out during the day. (It's gone, but you may know Tres Shannon from such successful sell-outs as Voodoo Donuts.) So I was having coffee and being friendly and said to the stranger next to me "hey I'm Nelson, who are you?". And he said "I'm Rodney, I'm the singer for the Dead Milkmen". To which I flat out called him a liar, that it was exactly the kind of bullshit I'd say in a coffee shop to impress someone. The rest of the conversation was him trying to convince me he really was the Dead Milkmen. I look back at that now and am mostly embarrassed, but also find it a bit hilarious. I hope he did too.
posted by Nelson at 8:42 AM on June 20 [12 favorites]


If it in any way would've made you feel a little better, the singer of 'Punk Rock Girl' is openly gay.

I had no idea! I didn't think I could feel any more embarrassed about the pornographic letter teenage me sent Joe Jack Talcum back in 80s, but now I'm even more sorry.
posted by atropos at 8:59 AM on June 20 [8 favorites]


I saw Dead Milkmen play in a dinner theater in NJ in high school. I remember being psyched it was a dinner theater, but I can't remember if we ate dinner!
posted by armacy at 9:11 AM on June 20 [1 favorite]


I actually just saw these guys play last weekend, and it was pretty glorious. I grew up loving Big Lizard in My Backyard, which seemed like the perfect antidote to the often dour and doctrinaire politics of MRR and the East Bay punk scene. In the leadup to Bitchin' Camaro, Rodney Anonymous went on this long, rambling rant about politics and kids and like gun control or something, it sort of went on and on, and then when he was finally done he threw it over to Joe Jack Talcum, who immediately just said "what kind of car you got?" to general laughter from the audience.

About the Butthole Surfers connection, the Dead Milkmen song The Fez is an explicit parody of that band.

They've actually been putting out new music in little bursts of three or four sings apiece over the last few years. Some of them are pretty good, I rather like The Sun Turns Our Patio Into A Lifeless Hell.
posted by whir at 9:29 AM on June 20 [4 favorites]


I just wanted to chime in to say that this thread turned a relatively crappy day into a relatively awesome one. Thank you all!
posted by brand-gnu at 10:53 AM on June 20 [1 favorite]


I haven't been this happy since Crystal Shit played their Doors show.
posted by dr_dank at 11:03 AM on June 20 [2 favorites]


Everyone is welcome. I don't accept tips, but if anyone wants to cook me a hippie soufflé and have that Jonny Wurster kid deliver it, I won't say no.
posted by item at 11:34 AM on June 20 [3 favorites]


Aren't you worried that he might smoke crack?
posted by Pope Guilty at 11:43 AM on June 20 [1 favorite]


FTA: 'It's also selling out if your music is used in an Adam Sandler movie that isn't "Punch Drunk Love".'

or Funny People, a movie where Sandler's character is indicted for making stupidly "funny" movies.
posted by morganw at 12:32 PM on June 20


Funny People could have been a decent film if Apatow didn't have anything to do with it, but he wrote, directed, produced, and cast his annoying wife in it so we're talking a serious shift in the universe to make it happen.
posted by item at 12:38 PM on June 20


I haven't been this happy since Crystal Shit played their Doors show.

Growing up in Jersey and hearing endless radio plugs for Crystal Ship playing at some douchebag shithole bar at the Shore made me fall in love with the Milkmen the moment I heard that banter…
posted by jalexei at 1:37 PM on June 20 [6 favorites]


I quite like Adam Sandler in movies that aren't Adam Sandler movies. Punch-Drunk Love is a Paul Thomas Anderson movie. Funny People is a Judd Apatow movie.
posted by ODiV at 2:05 PM on June 20


I have nothing truly worthy to note here other than I sported DM (and skinny puppy and TKK and...) stickers on my gothy leather biker jacket in the late 80s / early 90s and once got my ribs cracked in the mosh pit at a Milkmen concert at Mustard's which was the worst shithole grungy punks-not-dead-we're-just-masquerading-as-goth-kids dive in all of Columbus, Ohio (which is saying something).

I also wanted to say that every time item contributes to a music post or thread here on Metafilter, I find myself nodding along, or I get a jolt of instant nostalgia, or I realize that despite my boring suburban middle-aged exterior, inside beats the heart of that dumb kid who actually once fulfilled my very own Dead Milkmen song lyric moment and got tossed in the drunk tank for getting involved in a huge 2AM parking lot brawl at a 7-11 in Kettering, Ohio because some fratty rednecks decided a bunch of skinny gothy queers were easy targets and we were just high and drunk and pissed off enough not to care about outcomes (on balance, the fact that we were all equipped with old-school steel-toe Doc Martens and a fine disregard for the rules of fair play meant the rednecks got the short end of the deal, tho after cooler heads prevailed it was pointed out we were all damn lucky they didn't have knives or worse. good lord we were dumb).
posted by lonefrontranger at 2:08 PM on June 20 [7 favorites]


"Blow it out your hairdo cause you work at Hardee's!" has been a popular insult in this metaphysical house for quite some time. Love them Dead Milkmen.
posted by Spatch at 2:14 PM on June 20 [1 favorite]


"80 pounds of makeup on your art school skin. 80 points of IQ located within."

I'd forgotten just how much I still carry these songs around in my head everyday.
posted by saulgoodman at 4:13 PM on June 20 [2 favorites]


BTW, as an official Metafilter Homo I give you all permission to laugh at the line "You know what you are? You're a bunch of Art Fags". You can even say it out loud, but only if you do the little Art of Noise vocoder effect followed by a sweet Sonic Youth air guitar wail.
posted by Nelson at 4:53 PM on June 20 [2 favorites]


lonefrontranger: "inside beats the heart of that dumb kid who actually once fulfilled my very own Dead Milkmen song lyric moment and got tossed in the drunk tank for getting involved in a huge 2AM parking lot brawl at a 7-11 in Kettering, Ohio because some fratty rednecks decided a bunch of skinny gothy queers were easy targets and we were just high and drunk and pissed off enough not to care about outcomes"

So...they'd argue and fight and one pulls a knife, he hits you in the back, but you're all right?
posted by Chrysostom at 5:51 PM on June 20 [4 favorites]


I met Rodney Linderman in Portland once, in, oh, 1992 or so. At the X-Ray Cafe

Wow, memories. I met so many of my musical idols at the X-Ray Cafe. What a weird fucked up awesome place that was. And vegan food or something.
posted by rainydayfilms at 6:30 PM on June 20 [1 favorite]


The X-Ray was so terrible it was great. Or so great it was terrible, maybe. The music was good even if the good was not, at any rate.
posted by Dip Flash at 6:42 PM on June 20


Just wanted to say that The King in Yellow is a fantastic album.

If you didn't check the box next to "I am often sad", there is something seriously wrong with you.
posted by Robin Kestrel at 5:33 AM on June 21


The Dead Milkmen played a free show in Liberty Lands park in Northern Liberties, Philadelphia last summer with raffles being sold to benefit music education in the Philly schools. Naturally they played Bitchin' Camaro, but Rodney and Joe changed the dialogue to a screed against the governor and wealth inequality ultimately creating the necessity of them playing such a show in the first place.

Later that day my girlfriend and I won one of the raffles. The prize? Bowling and drinking with Rodney and Joe at the after party. Those creeps can roll, man.
posted by SlepnerLaw at 3:14 PM on June 21 [6 favorites]


"But the reason I was crying is because I'd just heard "London Calling" by The Clash used in a Jaguar commercial. A part of me died that day -- as did grandma, I guess."

"Oh, God, another one bites the dust."
posted by homunculus at 2:18 AM on June 23


I still basically agree with Waits about commercials. Using songs in movies and TV is one thing. Tasteful use of a song in a movie or TV show can almost be a way of adding more layers of meaning to the song or work (obviously, this depends on the quality of the film or show, too).

There might be occasions when a tasteful commercial appearance isn't so bad for an artist (especially for songs that don't aim to be anything more than simple pop hits for a mass market), but it's hard to see music you really care about jarringly re-contextualized to sell crap.
posted by saulgoodman at 10:56 AM on June 25


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