Best mic drop moment I've seen in a while
September 22, 2014 5:13 AM Subscribe
Alaskan television reporter quits on-air in spectacular fashion Charlo Greene (apparently her real name) quit her job on-air, after outing herself as the owner of the marijuana exchange on which she was reporting.
Viewers, we sincerely apologize for the inappropriate language used by a KTVA reporter on the air tonight. The employee has been terminated.What, the one who told the viewers "I quit" on air and walked off the set? "We sincerely apologize for losing your horse but the barn door is now securely closed."
posted by ricochet biscuit at 5:39 AM on September 22, 2014 [66 favorites]
lol at the wildly silly use of 'terminated'
posted by Quilford at 5:41 AM on September 22, 2014 [5 favorites]
posted by Quilford at 5:41 AM on September 22, 2014 [5 favorites]
There are typically FCC fines with cursing on air, right? Is the station responsible for those regardless, or could they somehow pass the fines off to her?
posted by codacorolla at 5:43 AM on September 22, 2014 [2 favorites]
posted by codacorolla at 5:43 AM on September 22, 2014 [2 favorites]
I was just coming here to post this. Very brave of her. And the bit afterwards, with the spluttering anchor, is a good reminder of the dangers of live TV.
And by 'dangers' you mean AWESOMENESS! You can't script that shit.
posted by mikelieman at 5:44 AM on September 22, 2014 [5 favorites]
And by 'dangers' you mean AWESOMENESS! You can't script that shit.
posted by mikelieman at 5:44 AM on September 22, 2014 [5 favorites]
lol at the wildly silly use of 'terminated'
It's a way of saying "her employment has been terminated". I don't think they're using the word in any kind of T-1000 sense, if that's what you're saying.
posted by escape from the potato planet at 5:49 AM on September 22, 2014 [4 favorites]
It's a way of saying "her employment has been terminated". I don't think they're using the word in any kind of T-1000 sense, if that's what you're saying.
posted by escape from the potato planet at 5:49 AM on September 22, 2014 [4 favorites]
Quilford: Employers hate it when employees quit; they love to fire employees. So naturally left becomes right and up becomes down.
posted by Yowser at 5:50 AM on September 22, 2014 [5 favorites]
posted by Yowser at 5:50 AM on September 22, 2014 [5 favorites]
There are typically FCC fines with cursing on air, right? Is the station responsible for those regardless, or could they somehow pass the fines off to her?
There's usually a slight delay so that producers can bleep out errors (curse words) if necessary. Sounds like it's their fault as much as hers.
posted by explosion at 5:51 AM on September 22, 2014
There's usually a slight delay so that producers can bleep out errors (curse words) if necessary. Sounds like it's their fault as much as hers.
posted by explosion at 5:51 AM on September 22, 2014
Oh, I see—the silliness is that she, like, already quit. Never mind.
posted by escape from the potato planet at 5:52 AM on September 22, 2014 [2 favorites]
posted by escape from the potato planet at 5:52 AM on September 22, 2014 [2 favorites]
Also, greatest name of all time.
posted by Yowser at 5:52 AM on September 22, 2014 [1 favorite]
posted by Yowser at 5:52 AM on September 22, 2014 [1 favorite]
escape from the potato planet: it's just they didn't terminate her employment; she did. their phrasing implies they have laid her off. it's a silly use because they don't want/can't say "she has quit" as that gives the employee more agency than the company.
posted by olya at 5:53 AM on September 22, 2014 [5 favorites]
posted by olya at 5:53 AM on September 22, 2014 [5 favorites]
Is the station responsible for those regardless, or could they somehow pass the fines off to her?
When I worked radio there was a provision in my contract that said I was liable for what went out over the air. I also believe the employer is as well.
Guess who played Ministry's Stigmata off "Live: In Case you Didn't Feel Like Showing Up" because he knew the studio version well enough to know there were no swear words? First time in my life I was glad I had no audience (college radio).
As far as this clip goes, the problem I have with it is that is does nothing to advance the cause of legalization. Part of the whole reason marijuana was made criminal in the first place revolves around race and class. This is only going to affirm that the wacky weed makes dark people behave crazy! Protect the children!
posted by cjorgensen at 5:58 AM on September 22, 2014 [5 favorites]
When I worked radio there was a provision in my contract that said I was liable for what went out over the air. I also believe the employer is as well.
Guess who played Ministry's Stigmata off "Live: In Case you Didn't Feel Like Showing Up" because he knew the studio version well enough to know there were no swear words? First time in my life I was glad I had no audience (college radio).
As far as this clip goes, the problem I have with it is that is does nothing to advance the cause of legalization. Part of the whole reason marijuana was made criminal in the first place revolves around race and class. This is only going to affirm that the wacky weed makes dark people behave crazy! Protect the children!
posted by cjorgensen at 5:58 AM on September 22, 2014 [5 favorites]
Awesome? Brave? Spectacular?
I'm confused other than a bunch of high schoolers, when is it awesome to quit your job by cursing and leaving in the middle of your gig? I understand she's hit the big time with marijuana money and figures she doesn't need the job but there is a certain degree of professionalism expected from people.
And please, she did not quit to "fight[ing] for freedom and fairness". She quit because there is big money in legalized pot.
I imagine quitting the way she did is getting her and her company lots of free publicity. I would assume that was part of her plan.
posted by 2manyusernames at 6:04 AM on September 22, 2014 [39 favorites]
I'm confused other than a bunch of high schoolers, when is it awesome to quit your job by cursing and leaving in the middle of your gig? I understand she's hit the big time with marijuana money and figures she doesn't need the job but there is a certain degree of professionalism expected from people.
And please, she did not quit to "fight[ing] for freedom and fairness". She quit because there is big money in legalized pot.
I imagine quitting the way she did is getting her and her company lots of free publicity. I would assume that was part of her plan.
posted by 2manyusernames at 6:04 AM on September 22, 2014 [39 favorites]
Quilford: Employers hate it when employees quit; they love to fire employees. So naturally left becomes right and up becomes down.
If an employee chooses to quit, the employer is not responsible for potential unemployment benefits.
posted by stinkfoot at 6:11 AM on September 22, 2014 [11 favorites]
If an employee chooses to quit, the employer is not responsible for potential unemployment benefits.
posted by stinkfoot at 6:11 AM on September 22, 2014 [11 favorites]
Yeah, as 2manyusernames points out, this is some damn good publicity for her organization. Can't buy that kinda publicity, as they say.
posted by flapjax at midnite at 6:14 AM on September 22, 2014
posted by flapjax at midnite at 6:14 AM on September 22, 2014
Ha! Ran out of bullshit.
posted by thelonius at 6:17 AM on September 22, 2014 [1 favorite]
posted by thelonius at 6:17 AM on September 22, 2014 [1 favorite]
Stinkfoot: I think she'd have a hard time convincing anyone that she was laid off, so it doesn't matter who "deprecated the relationship" or what have you.
posted by Yowser at 6:19 AM on September 22, 2014 [1 favorite]
posted by Yowser at 6:19 AM on September 22, 2014 [1 favorite]
If you're fighting for political change at the state level while also promoting business in a rapidly-growing yet controversial market, it seems like it would be valuable to have friends and contacts within the local media.
posted by rlk at 6:19 AM on September 22, 2014 [3 favorites]
posted by rlk at 6:19 AM on September 22, 2014 [3 favorites]
It would be more valuable to have international attention as a legendary bad ass for doing what every single person has at one point contemplated doing but never had the stones to do.
In conclusion:
This woman for president ASAP.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 6:22 AM on September 22, 2014 [13 favorites]
In conclusion:
This woman for president ASAP.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 6:22 AM on September 22, 2014 [13 favorites]
she's hit the big time with marijuana money and figures she doesn't need the job
Um, what? ACC is a cooperative and they're asking for $5000 via Indiegogo. That's not exactly the big time.
Brave: I see a woman who quit a steady, well-paying, comparatively glamorous job in order to devote all her energy to a cause. I'm cheering her on, at least in part, because I happen to agree with her position: cannabis should be legal and regulated like alcohol.
posted by GrammarMoses at 6:22 AM on September 22, 2014 [20 favorites]
Um, what? ACC is a cooperative and they're asking for $5000 via Indiegogo. That's not exactly the big time.
Brave: I see a woman who quit a steady, well-paying, comparatively glamorous job in order to devote all her energy to a cause. I'm cheering her on, at least in part, because I happen to agree with her position: cannabis should be legal and regulated like alcohol.
posted by GrammarMoses at 6:22 AM on September 22, 2014 [20 favorites]
> I'm confused other than a bunch of high schoolers...
There's a reason "Take This Job and Shove It" was a Number One hit.
posted by The Card Cheat at 6:24 AM on September 22, 2014 [5 favorites]
There's a reason "Take This Job and Shove It" was a Number One hit.
posted by The Card Cheat at 6:24 AM on September 22, 2014 [5 favorites]
there is a certain degree of professionalism expected from people.
She was just a TV news reporter, lighten up.
posted by airing nerdy laundry at 6:24 AM on September 22, 2014 [13 favorites]
She was just a TV news reporter, lighten up.
posted by airing nerdy laundry at 6:24 AM on September 22, 2014 [13 favorites]
I think it's great that she took a stand for a good cause and made a real sacrifice by quitting her job to do it. But I do hate the gratuitous f-bomb, which shifts the story to her crudeness or wildness or rudeness or whatever, and not on the legitimate cause she's backing. Clearly this was pre-planned, so she deliberately chose that "fuck it" when she could've used an "oh well."
posted by zardoz at 6:24 AM on September 22, 2014 [5 favorites]
posted by zardoz at 6:24 AM on September 22, 2014 [5 favorites]
Yeah, this was a huge conflict of interest. She, as the owner of the local pot group, should clearly not have ever been reporting on this for the station. But she obviously failed to disclose this to her employer or else she would not have been on the air that evening doing a story about pot.
So, no, she's not brave. She's unprofessional. She's a liar. She's in the wrong.
posted by inturnaround at 6:24 AM on September 22, 2014 [7 favorites]
So, no, she's not brave. She's unprofessional. She's a liar. She's in the wrong.
posted by inturnaround at 6:24 AM on September 22, 2014 [7 favorites]
I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:28 AM on September 22, 2014 [4 favorites]
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:28 AM on September 22, 2014 [4 favorites]
"Fuck you, fuck you, you're cool, fuck you....wait, what?"
posted by thelonius at 6:29 AM on September 22, 2014 [12 favorites]
posted by thelonius at 6:29 AM on September 22, 2014 [12 favorites]
If you're fighting for political change at the state level while also promoting business in a rapidly-growing yet controversial market, it seems like it would be valuable to have friends and contacts within the local media.
If there is one thing pot-heads are known for it's their impeccable long term planning
posted by any major dude at 6:30 AM on September 22, 2014 [12 favorites]
So, no, she's not brave. She's unprofessional. She's a liar. She's in the wrong.
Don't worry; she has been terminated.
posted by ricochet biscuit at 6:31 AM on September 22, 2014 [40 favorites]
Don't worry; she has been terminated.
posted by ricochet biscuit at 6:31 AM on September 22, 2014 [40 favorites]
Yowser: ha, you're right- the particular nature of her employment and record-keeping thereof would make claims awful hard to support.
posted by stinkfoot at 6:31 AM on September 22, 2014
posted by stinkfoot at 6:31 AM on September 22, 2014
a huge conflict of interest
Now this I do agree with.
posted by GrammarMoses at 6:31 AM on September 22, 2014 [1 favorite]
Now this I do agree with.
posted by GrammarMoses at 6:31 AM on September 22, 2014 [1 favorite]
They should bill her for the advertisement of her business. What a spectacular way to do it.
posted by TomDunn at 6:34 AM on September 22, 2014 [2 favorites]
posted by TomDunn at 6:34 AM on September 22, 2014 [2 favorites]
I'm amused (because I am 12) but I'm not seeing the "brave" part, nor how it helps her cause.
posted by The corpse in the library at 6:38 AM on September 22, 2014 [1 favorite]
posted by The corpse in the library at 6:38 AM on September 22, 2014 [1 favorite]
Oh, the hand wringing! The pearl clutching! To the fainting couch, STAT!
I applaud her actions just for inspiring all that.
posted by Repack Rider at 6:41 AM on September 22, 2014 [46 favorites]
I applaud her actions just for inspiring all that.
posted by Repack Rider at 6:41 AM on September 22, 2014 [46 favorites]
If an employee chooses to quit, the employer is not responsible for potential unemployment benefits.
I don't know what the unemployment laws are in Alaska, but in Connecticut the employer is not responsible for unemployment benefits if you "intentionally and willfully" get yourself terminated.
posted by dances with hamsters at 6:41 AM on September 22, 2014
I don't know what the unemployment laws are in Alaska, but in Connecticut the employer is not responsible for unemployment benefits if you "intentionally and willfully" get yourself terminated.
posted by dances with hamsters at 6:41 AM on September 22, 2014
As this was apparently aired during their late evening 11PM news, there would be no FCC indecency repercussions as that is during the FCC's defined "Clear Harbor" where indecent material can be broadcast.
And I'm not clutching my pearls. I don't give a fuck that she said fuck. But I do think it's super shitty that she didn't do her job as a journalist and didn't disclose her conflict of interest.
Look, if you want to be a journalist, that's covered in week one of J-school. You can't cover a beat if you have a stake in it financially, at the very least, not without disclosing that conflict or potential conflict.
posted by inturnaround at 6:45 AM on September 22, 2014 [10 favorites]
And I'm not clutching my pearls. I don't give a fuck that she said fuck. But I do think it's super shitty that she didn't do her job as a journalist and didn't disclose her conflict of interest.
Look, if you want to be a journalist, that's covered in week one of J-school. You can't cover a beat if you have a stake in it financially, at the very least, not without disclosing that conflict or potential conflict.
posted by inturnaround at 6:45 AM on September 22, 2014 [10 favorites]
Whilst we're on the subject of unintentional hilariously strong language , has anyone deleted their history on chrome lately? I did it the other day, and I swear it said 'this will obliterate all items since the beginning of time'.
posted by Ned G at 6:46 AM on September 22, 2014 [3 favorites]
posted by Ned G at 6:46 AM on September 22, 2014 [3 favorites]
Thats. I mean that's obviously part of the quitting. She wasn't trying to get away with something, she set this story up to be a huge publicity stunt for her cause and Fuck You to her employer simultaneously. If you don't find Fuck Yous to an employer inherently awesome then that's where the disconnect lies I think. Because they are.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 6:47 AM on September 22, 2014 [19 favorites]
posted by Potomac Avenue at 6:47 AM on September 22, 2014 [19 favorites]
Chrome does indeed say something like that. Please, no one try it. I think Google might be ser
posted by mrgoat at 6:48 AM on September 22, 2014 [12 favorites]
posted by mrgoat at 6:48 AM on September 22, 2014 [12 favorites]
Also, greatest name of all time.
Not to mention rhymes with C-Lo, also well known for his use of the word "fuck."
there is a certain degree of professionalism expected from people.
She was just a TV news reporter, lighten up.
A local TV news reporter. Around here a lot of the local on-air reporting is accompanied by editorializing along the lines of "Some people obviously have too much time on their hands" after reporting on something like the ACLU suing to stop the display of the Ten Commandments in government buildings or prayers before public meetings. And that's not even the local Fox channel. Also, given the amount of advertorial content that is passed off as news on most local TV, I would say professional standards are already pretty low there.
posted by TedW at 6:51 AM on September 22, 2014 [26 favorites]
Not to mention rhymes with C-Lo, also well known for his use of the word "fuck."
there is a certain degree of professionalism expected from people.
She was just a TV news reporter, lighten up.
A local TV news reporter. Around here a lot of the local on-air reporting is accompanied by editorializing along the lines of "Some people obviously have too much time on their hands" after reporting on something like the ACLU suing to stop the display of the Ten Commandments in government buildings or prayers before public meetings. And that's not even the local Fox channel. Also, given the amount of advertorial content that is passed off as news on most local TV, I would say professional standards are already pretty low there.
posted by TedW at 6:51 AM on September 22, 2014 [26 favorites]
It's not pearl clutching to note that was super fucking unprofessional. No one is a-titter because she said "fuck" on air. I don't know. Professionalism isn't really about what others expect of you, it's the standard you set for yourself.
posted by echocollate at 6:51 AM on September 22, 2014 [3 favorites]
posted by echocollate at 6:51 AM on September 22, 2014 [3 favorites]
I think it's clear that she decided she didn't want to be a journalist when she got this story and this is how she ended it. So yes it does reek of pearl clutching because she didn't sneak around and cover the story and the marinara business for days or months, she knew exactly how concern trolly she was expected to be when covering this and went out with a bang instead. No dings to the integrity of journalism as a profession in sight.
posted by aydeejones at 6:52 AM on September 22, 2014 [9 favorites]
posted by aydeejones at 6:52 AM on September 22, 2014 [9 favorites]
Don't worry; she has been terminated.
She also goes by the name Sarah Connor.
posted by chillmost at 6:53 AM on September 22, 2014
She also goes by the name Sarah Connor.
posted by chillmost at 6:53 AM on September 22, 2014
I gotta leave that marinara auto correct substitution.
posted by aydeejones at 6:53 AM on September 22, 2014 [33 favorites]
posted by aydeejones at 6:53 AM on September 22, 2014 [33 favorites]
Seems kind of... square.. to complain about journalistic ethics and professionalism when she's just permanently exited the system that cares about such things to begin with. She quit her job to grow weed, guys. Future employees are probably not going to be the type to request a resume and the references.
posted by mrbigmuscles at 6:58 AM on September 22, 2014 [12 favorites]
posted by mrbigmuscles at 6:58 AM on September 22, 2014 [12 favorites]
there is a certain degree of professionalism expected from people
And certain relationships will have reached a point where the only thing left to say is Fuck it, I quit.
posted by jsavimbi at 6:59 AM on September 22, 2014 [5 favorites]
And certain relationships will have reached a point where the only thing left to say is Fuck it, I quit.
posted by jsavimbi at 6:59 AM on September 22, 2014 [5 favorites]
But she obviously failed to disclose this to her employer or else she would not have been on the air that evening doing a story about pot.
Yeah, because she would have been fired immediately, most likely.
posted by showbiz_liz at 6:59 AM on September 22, 2014 [7 favorites]
Yeah, because she would have been fired immediately, most likely.
posted by showbiz_liz at 6:59 AM on September 22, 2014 [7 favorites]
I don't know what the unemployment laws are in Alaska, but in Connecticut the employer is not responsible for unemployment benefits if you "intentionally and willfully" get yourself terminated.
Yeah I don't think she'd get anywhere with unemployment claims (which I seriously doubt she interested in at all, being that she's apparently employed and shit), I was just pointing out a reason for employers to want employees to quit (rather than fire them)- because there is a chance they (the employer) could be responsible for claims won.
posted by stinkfoot at 7:00 AM on September 22, 2014
Yeah I don't think she'd get anywhere with unemployment claims (which I seriously doubt she interested in at all, being that she's apparently employed and shit), I was just pointing out a reason for employers to want employees to quit (rather than fire them)- because there is a chance they (the employer) could be responsible for claims won.
posted by stinkfoot at 7:00 AM on September 22, 2014
I gotta leave that marinara auto correct substitution.
I would definitely join a marinara exchange! Who else is on board?
posted by TedW at 7:00 AM on September 22, 2014 [9 favorites]
I would definitely join a marinara exchange! Who else is on board?
posted by TedW at 7:00 AM on September 22, 2014 [9 favorites]
I gotta leave that marinara auto correct substitution.
"Waiter, what's in this sauce? That ain't oregano!"
posted by rory at 7:01 AM on September 22, 2014 [4 favorites]
"Waiter, what's in this sauce? That ain't oregano!"
posted by rory at 7:01 AM on September 22, 2014 [4 favorites]
Can we drop the "pearl clutching," please? It's an irrelevantly gendered term. Besides, it's early; I haven't put my pearls on yet.
posted by The corpse in the library at 7:02 AM on September 22, 2014 [7 favorites]
posted by The corpse in the library at 7:02 AM on September 22, 2014 [7 favorites]
What, no pearl clutching!?
(Puts wrist to forehead and collapses on fainting couch)
posted by 445supermag at 7:10 AM on September 22, 2014 [4 favorites]
(Puts wrist to forehead and collapses on fainting couch)
posted by 445supermag at 7:10 AM on September 22, 2014 [4 favorites]
I think her actions back up the idea that she is better suited to run a pot farm than be a reporter. I am not terribly concerned that she did not disclose her conflict of interest in this particular case, because she did eventually disclose it, just on-air.
Also, it's pretty funny and in a world full of grim news, I am grateful for the occasional outbreak of hilarity.
posted by emjaybee at 7:10 AM on September 22, 2014 [1 favorite]
Also, it's pretty funny and in a world full of grim news, I am grateful for the occasional outbreak of hilarity.
posted by emjaybee at 7:10 AM on September 22, 2014 [1 favorite]
She's unprofessional.
The yuppie cardinal sin.
posted by Steely-eyed Missile Man at 7:11 AM on September 22, 2014 [94 favorites]
The yuppie cardinal sin.
posted by Steely-eyed Missile Man at 7:11 AM on September 22, 2014 [94 favorites]
Into the Hall of Fame she goes, along with this guy.
posted by The Card Cheat at 7:12 AM on September 22, 2014 [2 favorites]
posted by The Card Cheat at 7:12 AM on September 22, 2014 [2 favorites]
The best part of the video is the unmistakable sound of stoned giggling at the end.
posted by crazylegs at 7:19 AM on September 22, 2014 [1 favorite]
posted by crazylegs at 7:19 AM on September 22, 2014 [1 favorite]
Can we drop the "pearl clutching," please? It's an irrelevantly gendered term.
You know, I have never found that a particularly offensive term; I always pictured the woman in the Marx Brothers movies, who played the rich clueless lady and usually ended up with a pie in her face, as the kind who would clutch her pearls and faint at something inappropriate. In other words, it's a term that slanders a person who doesn't actually exist (anymore?) except as a cartoonish caricature. As a phrase, I never see it applied only to women, but instead to a general group of uptight citizens who are upset about something.
It might have been sexist when it was created, but I think that meaning has dropped out of it. Likewise, someone who has their knickers in a twist is just as likely to be male as female.
posted by emjaybee at 7:20 AM on September 22, 2014 [9 favorites]
You know, I have never found that a particularly offensive term; I always pictured the woman in the Marx Brothers movies, who played the rich clueless lady and usually ended up with a pie in her face, as the kind who would clutch her pearls and faint at something inappropriate. In other words, it's a term that slanders a person who doesn't actually exist (anymore?) except as a cartoonish caricature. As a phrase, I never see it applied only to women, but instead to a general group of uptight citizens who are upset about something.
It might have been sexist when it was created, but I think that meaning has dropped out of it. Likewise, someone who has their knickers in a twist is just as likely to be male as female.
posted by emjaybee at 7:20 AM on September 22, 2014 [9 favorites]
LEGALIZE MARINARA! LEGALIZE MARINA- wait, what? It is? WE WIN! WE WIN! WE WIN!
posted by codacorolla at 7:23 AM on September 22, 2014 [8 favorites]
posted by codacorolla at 7:23 AM on September 22, 2014 [8 favorites]
Oh, now you slander Margaret Dumont? I will fight to defend her honor! (All together: "Which is more than she ever did...")
posted by The corpse in the library at 7:28 AM on September 22, 2014 [34 favorites]
posted by The corpse in the library at 7:28 AM on September 22, 2014 [34 favorites]
I always pictured the woman in the Marx Brothers movies, who played the rich clueless lady
Margaret Dumont.
posted by ricochet biscuit at 7:28 AM on September 22, 2014 [3 favorites]
Margaret Dumont.
posted by ricochet biscuit at 7:28 AM on September 22, 2014 [3 favorites]
I'm curious about the content of the story that lead up to this. Was there editorializing on the station's part that "Voting for easier access" was a bad thing? I haven't drilled deeper than reading TFA, but it seems like the only thing in there that suggests anything is her line "Now everything you heard is why I...". Was she interviewing, and forced to air, a bunch of people that had opinions she disagreed with?
posted by achrise at 7:31 AM on September 22, 2014 [1 favorite]
posted by achrise at 7:31 AM on September 22, 2014 [1 favorite]
ACC is a cooperative
ACC doesn't appear to exist at the moment, as a cooperative or anything else.
posted by jpe at 7:37 AM on September 22, 2014 [1 favorite]
ACC doesn't appear to exist at the moment, as a cooperative or anything else.
posted by jpe at 7:37 AM on September 22, 2014 [1 favorite]
Guess who played Ministry's Stigmata off "Live: In Case you Didn't Feel Like Showing Up
That is *such* a good album. Al Jourgensen and Mike Scaccia could do anything really. Such talent!
posted by Nevin at 7:46 AM on September 22, 2014 [1 favorite]
That is *such* a good album. Al Jourgensen and Mike Scaccia could do anything really. Such talent!
posted by Nevin at 7:46 AM on September 22, 2014 [1 favorite]
I'm confused other than a bunch of high schoolers, when is it awesome to quit your job by cursing and leaving in the middle of your gig?
Dude. She quite a job in TV news.
posted by Hoopo at 7:46 AM on September 22, 2014 [12 favorites]
Dude. She quite a job in TV news.
posted by Hoopo at 7:46 AM on September 22, 2014 [12 favorites]
Per jpe's link, her certification expired in August. It's true that she ought to get her papers (ahem) in order.
Meanwhile, expired documents or no, the club appears to be doing good things. This is from the Alaska Dispatch News:
Meanwhile, expired documents or no, the club appears to be doing good things. This is from the Alaska Dispatch News:
The club connects cardholders to card-holding growers, the founder explained. Growers are offered “donation” points for their wares, the website states. In this way, no illegal sales are taking place, the founder explained. Once paired up, the club steps out of the way and lets the cardholder and grower go from there.posted by GrammarMoses at 7:49 AM on September 22, 2014 [3 favorites]
Donation amounts are decided by the club, she said. Growers are reimbursed for the costs associated with growing each strain. “It’s not for a profit, it’s for a reimbursement, so that it’s self-sustaining,” the founder said.
“With some of our more terminal patients, a lot of them are on fixed income,” she added. “If it’s possible for us to just give it to them then that’s what we do.”
Members sign an agreement where they then become co-owners of all club members’ plants. That way, the plants become their own personal property, and the marijuana is not being illegally distributed, the founder said.
The club has no membership fees and takes in no profits from the venture, she said. It’s simply a way to provide a safe avenue for members to receive high-quality cannabis, bypassing any dangers of getting marijuana on the black market.
(Date of article: Aug. 24 of this year.)
posted by GrammarMoses at 7:50 AM on September 22, 2014
posted by GrammarMoses at 7:50 AM on September 22, 2014
Dude. She quite a job in TV news.
Though at this point in media evolution that's about like quitting the weekly Pennysaver in the middle of its print run, right?
posted by aught at 7:56 AM on September 22, 2014 [1 favorite]
Though at this point in media evolution that's about like quitting the weekly Pennysaver in the middle of its print run, right?
posted by aught at 7:56 AM on September 22, 2014 [1 favorite]
Whilst we're on the subject of unintentional hilariously strong language , has anyone deleted their history on chrome lately? I did it the other day, and I swear it said 'this will obliterate all items since the beginning of time'.
Don't touch it, you fool!
(But what'll happen?)
That's just it, we don't know... Maaaaybe something good, maaaaaybe something bad. We'll never know, because you're going to guard it. You won't touch it, will you?
[How can he possibly resist the maddening urge to erradicate history at the mere push of a single button? The beautiful, shiny button? The jolly, candy-like button? Will he hold out, folks? Can he hold out?]
posted by entropicamericana at 7:58 AM on September 22, 2014 [12 favorites]
Don't touch it, you fool!
(But what'll happen?)
That's just it, we don't know... Maaaaybe something good, maaaaaybe something bad. We'll never know, because you're going to guard it. You won't touch it, will you?
[How can he possibly resist the maddening urge to erradicate history at the mere push of a single button? The beautiful, shiny button? The jolly, candy-like button? Will he hold out, folks? Can he hold out?]
posted by entropicamericana at 7:58 AM on September 22, 2014 [12 favorites]
Also I would like to take a break from examining the various lines on my palm (so cool! did you ever really look at them?) to point out that the reporter's real name is Charlene Egbe. Her on-air name “Charlo Greene” is a mashup of "Charlene" and "ogre." I have no idea whether that was intentional.
posted by GrammarMoses at 8:04 AM on September 22, 2014 [3 favorites]
posted by GrammarMoses at 8:04 AM on September 22, 2014 [3 favorites]
Seconding wanting to know the context. Many of the reactions in this thread seem to be making assumptions about what she'd been assigned to cover, what she knew in advance, and so on, and there really isn't anything to go on in the linked article.
posted by Shmuel510 at 8:10 AM on September 22, 2014
posted by Shmuel510 at 8:10 AM on September 22, 2014
If there is one thing pot-heads are known for it's their impeccable long term planning
Speaking as someone who lives in a marijuana-legal state, I hope that the stereotype of the stupid stoner goes the way of the Andy Capp/Lost Weekend drinker. Demonizing or belittling people who smoke pot is not helping the moral panic about wacky weed and its contribution to the downfall of society.
posted by bibliowench at 8:12 AM on September 22, 2014 [32 favorites]
Speaking as someone who lives in a marijuana-legal state, I hope that the stereotype of the stupid stoner goes the way of the Andy Capp/Lost Weekend drinker. Demonizing or belittling people who smoke pot is not helping the moral panic about wacky weed and its contribution to the downfall of society.
posted by bibliowench at 8:12 AM on September 22, 2014 [32 favorites]
She hasn't done much to help that.
posted by The corpse in the library at 8:17 AM on September 22, 2014
posted by The corpse in the library at 8:17 AM on September 22, 2014
It's really bizarre that Alaska has a medical marijuana law---it's legal to possess marijuana if you have a card certifying that it is medically necessary---but no legal way to acquire your medical marijuana legally. Maybe the Alaska Cannabis Club will help (or maybe Ballot measure 2 will pass in November and it will be a moot point). But I wouldn't hold my breath.
posted by leahwrenn at 8:17 AM on September 22, 2014
posted by leahwrenn at 8:17 AM on September 22, 2014
Whilst we're on the subject of unintentional hilariously strong language , has anyone deleted their history on chrome lately? I did it the other day, and I swear it said 'this will obliterate all items since the beginning of time'.
posted by Ned G at 6:46 AM on September 22 [+] [!]
When DC Comics did Crisis on Infinite Earths, their first great reboot, multi-title crossover thang of the modern age, management sent round a memo to all DC's writers reminding them that "all changes in Crisis will be retrospective to the beginning of time".
So remember: Now it's not that only that it hasn't happened any more: it's that it never happened in the first place.
posted by Paul Slade at 8:20 AM on September 22, 2014
posted by Ned G at 6:46 AM on September 22 [+] [!]
When DC Comics did Crisis on Infinite Earths, their first great reboot, multi-title crossover thang of the modern age, management sent round a memo to all DC's writers reminding them that "all changes in Crisis will be retrospective to the beginning of time".
So remember: Now it's not that only that it hasn't happened any more: it's that it never happened in the first place.
posted by Paul Slade at 8:20 AM on September 22, 2014
Many of the reactions in this thread seem to be making assumptions about what she'd been assigned to cover
At the very least, she is in a conflict of interest, and one that would be incredibly difficult to divulge without jeopardizing her career due to its illegal nature.
She hasn't done much to help that.
She hasn't done anything to reinforce it either.
posted by Hoopo at 8:24 AM on September 22, 2014
At the very least, she is in a conflict of interest, and one that would be incredibly difficult to divulge without jeopardizing her career due to its illegal nature.
She hasn't done much to help that.
She hasn't done anything to reinforce it either.
posted by Hoopo at 8:24 AM on September 22, 2014
You can't cover a beat if you have a stake in it financially, at the very least, not without disclosing that conflict or potential conflict.
Unless you are a paid consultant former military officer discussing how many boots we need on the ground in Iraq now, while sitting on the board of Raytheon or being paid a consultancy fee by Boeing. Or a stock investor pitching that the Dow is sure to go up while you short the market.
Happens all the time.
When TV news gives a flying fuck about journalistic ethics *in general* I'll get righteous about this woman's journalism. She's my hero of the day.
posted by spitbull at 8:33 AM on September 22, 2014 [20 favorites]
Unless you are a paid consultant former military officer discussing how many boots we need on the ground in Iraq now, while sitting on the board of Raytheon or being paid a consultancy fee by Boeing. Or a stock investor pitching that the Dow is sure to go up while you short the market.
Happens all the time.
When TV news gives a flying fuck about journalistic ethics *in general* I'll get righteous about this woman's journalism. She's my hero of the day.
posted by spitbull at 8:33 AM on September 22, 2014 [20 favorites]
The club connects cardholders to card-holding growers, the founder explained
It's probably no coincidence that she also formed a consulting LLC to do things like connect cardholders with one another. That's a good way to extract profit from a planned cooperative that wouldn't itself be a good vehicle for profit extraction. (and it's entirely possible she won't go after profit in any meaningful way, but either way the mere existence of a coop doesn't preclude profiteering given this particular set-up)
posted by jpe at 8:38 AM on September 22, 2014
It's probably no coincidence that she also formed a consulting LLC to do things like connect cardholders with one another. That's a good way to extract profit from a planned cooperative that wouldn't itself be a good vehicle for profit extraction. (and it's entirely possible she won't go after profit in any meaningful way, but either way the mere existence of a coop doesn't preclude profiteering given this particular set-up)
posted by jpe at 8:38 AM on September 22, 2014
The same reporter back in May doing an in-depth report called "Considering Cannabis", which seems to be an "oh won't somebody think of the children" piece. (Starts about 15 seconds in.) You have to wonder what's going through her head.
posted by George_Spiggott at 8:41 AM on September 22, 2014 [1 favorite]
posted by George_Spiggott at 8:41 AM on September 22, 2014 [1 favorite]
there is a certain degree of professionalism expected from people
She still exceeded the amount of professionalism I expect from small-market local tv news.
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 8:41 AM on September 22, 2014 [11 favorites]
She still exceeded the amount of professionalism I expect from small-market local tv news.
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 8:41 AM on September 22, 2014 [11 favorites]
The series seems to no longer be hosted on the station's own website, but a search turns her entire 5(?)-parter up on YouTube.
posted by George_Spiggott at 8:46 AM on September 22, 2014
posted by George_Spiggott at 8:46 AM on September 22, 2014
...the reporter's real name is Charlene Egbe.
I wonder if she was told that name was too ethnic.
posted by XMLicious at 8:48 AM on September 22, 2014
Also I believe Alaska law allows you to grow up to 25 plants and possess up to 4 ounces in your private residence with no penalty, whether or not you are medically certified. It is technically "illegal" but the law provides specifically for no penalty.
Alaska's longstanding pot laws are a thing of overlooked beauty now somewhat forgotten in the Washington/Colorado excitement. They basically enshrine the principle that as long as you keep it to yourself on your own property you can do what the fuck you want with cannabis.
So medical users do have a way to supply their own needs effectively with no risk of penalty, presuming they have access to seeds.
The best Alaskan indoor produce is (reputedly, how would I know?) as potent as weed grown anywhere on earth. 4 ounces of the good stuff would be more than enough for even a serious pothead to stay very, very high 24/7 for about 4 months.
And finally, the idea that local television news is somehow, ever, a domain where we normally see or expect "professional" journalism to occur is funnier when you're high.
When Maureen Dowd is vaping on the bus with Willie Nelson and writing about it in the New York Times, I think it's time for journalists to come clean about how drug-suffused their own ranks are. The biggest obstacle to a rational drug policy revolution in the US is the fucking hypocrisy.
posted by spitbull at 8:51 AM on September 22, 2014 [3 favorites]
Alaska's longstanding pot laws are a thing of overlooked beauty now somewhat forgotten in the Washington/Colorado excitement. They basically enshrine the principle that as long as you keep it to yourself on your own property you can do what the fuck you want with cannabis.
So medical users do have a way to supply their own needs effectively with no risk of penalty, presuming they have access to seeds.
The best Alaskan indoor produce is (reputedly, how would I know?) as potent as weed grown anywhere on earth. 4 ounces of the good stuff would be more than enough for even a serious pothead to stay very, very high 24/7 for about 4 months.
And finally, the idea that local television news is somehow, ever, a domain where we normally see or expect "professional" journalism to occur is funnier when you're high.
When Maureen Dowd is vaping on the bus with Willie Nelson and writing about it in the New York Times, I think it's time for journalists to come clean about how drug-suffused their own ranks are. The biggest obstacle to a rational drug policy revolution in the US is the fucking hypocrisy.
posted by spitbull at 8:51 AM on September 22, 2014 [3 favorites]
So medical users do have a way to supply their own needs effectively with no risk of penalty, presuming they have access to seeds.
Which is a big presumption. In order to acquire seeds, you still have to know someone, and your initial purchase is still not legal. As far as I know, there's no way to be a medical marijuana user without at some point acting illegally (if you use at all).
And---and this is because I truly don't know---suppose one had access to seeds. Can you bring your plants to flower appropriately over the course of a short fairbanks summer? Does it take a greenhouse? Because setting up grow lights for winter is a chunk of upfront money as well, plus electricity costs. It's not clear that saying "medical marijuana users, just grow your own, no worries, Ravin will protect you" is a reasonable choice.
posted by leahwrenn at 9:07 AM on September 22, 2014
Maureen Dowd is vaping on the bus with Willie Nelson and writing about it in the New York Times
As a public service, please link to fresh Maureen Dowd pot exploits as they become available.
posted by Corinth at 9:08 AM on September 22, 2014 [2 favorites]
As a public service, please link to fresh Maureen Dowd pot exploits as they become available.
posted by Corinth at 9:08 AM on September 22, 2014 [2 favorites]
You think I'm kidding?
I too once got high with Willie Nelson on his bus, actually. But then, who hasn't?
posted by spitbull at 9:20 AM on September 22, 2014
I too once got high with Willie Nelson on his bus, actually. But then, who hasn't?
posted by spitbull at 9:20 AM on September 22, 2014
Though at this point in media evolution that's about like quitting the weekly Pennysaver in the middle of its print run, right?
Production values are probably about the same
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 9:57 AM on September 22, 2014
Production values are probably about the same
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 9:57 AM on September 22, 2014
No one knows what was going on behind the scenes at the station. For all we know, she had voiced her discomfort with the subject matter and was shut down and told to stay the course with the station's chosen rhetoric. TV news is not impartial, these people have agendas. Perhaps as a minority she was tired of seeing tired old drug laws continue to be used as a billy club against poorer communities while middle-class white kids get a slap on the wrist. It's a pretty evil system all the way around, I'd say fuck it under those circumstances too.
posted by evilcupcakes at 10:02 AM on September 22, 2014 [3 favorites]
posted by evilcupcakes at 10:02 AM on September 22, 2014 [3 favorites]
Wow, this thread has been a learning experience. I've learned that if one is in the marijuana business, one is pretty obviously a stupid stoner. That telling one's employer to fuck off, irrespective of circumstances, is always totes awesome. That a journalist who either pranks her employer on-air or deliberately conceals a conflict of interest is a hero. And that professionalism should really only be observed in Important Jobs.
Metafilter: Really?
posted by the sobsister at 10:03 AM on September 22, 2014
Metafilter: Really?
posted by the sobsister at 10:03 AM on September 22, 2014
> No one is a-titter because she said "fuck" on air.
> But I do hate the gratuitous f-bomb
posted by Monochrome at 10:05 AM on September 22, 2014
> But I do hate the gratuitous f-bomb
posted by Monochrome at 10:05 AM on September 22, 2014
charlo greene? better watch out. we learned in stephen king's "dark tower" series that "char" means death in the high tongue.
posted by bruce at 10:08 AM on September 22, 2014
posted by bruce at 10:08 AM on September 22, 2014
Metafilter: Really?
Oh give me a break.
posted by Hoopo at 10:25 AM on September 22, 2014 [7 favorites]
Oh give me a break.
posted by Hoopo at 10:25 AM on September 22, 2014 [7 favorites]
also, i've never gotten high with willie nelson on his bus. is there a sign-up sheet?
posted by bruce at 10:34 AM on September 22, 2014 [5 favorites]
posted by bruce at 10:34 AM on September 22, 2014 [5 favorites]
Yeah man, it's.. uh it's over there somewhere. Where's the funyuns?
posted by feckless fecal fear mongering at 10:37 AM on September 22, 2014 [1 favorite]
posted by feckless fecal fear mongering at 10:37 AM on September 22, 2014 [1 favorite]
Paging cortex for The Ballad of Charlo Greene...
posted by Beardman at 10:44 AM on September 22, 2014 [1 favorite]
posted by Beardman at 10:44 AM on September 22, 2014 [1 favorite]
She's unprofessional.
(Unlike the likes of, say, Sean Hannity.)
posted by mule98J at 10:45 AM on September 22, 2014
(Unlike the likes of, say, Sean Hannity.)
posted by mule98J at 10:45 AM on September 22, 2014
The same reporter back in May doing an in-depth report called "Considering Cannabis", which seems to be an "oh won't somebody think of the children" piece. (Starts about 15 seconds in.) You have to wonder what's going through her head.
Producers produce stories. Reporters read scripts. The slant on that story wouldn't have come from the reporter, it would have come from the producer. She may have argued against the POV being presented, but she wouldn't have had a lot of say. I imagine revisiting this topic is a large part of what pushed her to quit.
posted by DarlingBri at 10:52 AM on September 22, 2014 [1 favorite]
Producers produce stories. Reporters read scripts. The slant on that story wouldn't have come from the reporter, it would have come from the producer. She may have argued against the POV being presented, but she wouldn't have had a lot of say. I imagine revisiting this topic is a large part of what pushed her to quit.
posted by DarlingBri at 10:52 AM on September 22, 2014 [1 favorite]
Guess who played Ministry's Stigmata off "Live: In Case you Didn't Feel Like Showing Up" because he knew the studio version well enough to know there were no swear words?
That's kinda what you get for not showing up.
posted by malocchio at 11:26 AM on September 22, 2014 [3 favorites]
That's kinda what you get for not showing up.
posted by malocchio at 11:26 AM on September 22, 2014 [3 favorites]
It is shit like this that gives the legalize movement a bad name.
Is its funny? Sure. But it's about as unprofessional as you can get. If no one ever takes this woman seriously again, well, she'll know why.
Thanks for pushing even more stereotypes for pot smokers.
posted by punkrockrat at 11:35 AM on September 22, 2014
Is its funny? Sure. But it's about as unprofessional as you can get. If no one ever takes this woman seriously again, well, she'll know why.
Thanks for pushing even more stereotypes for pot smokers.
posted by punkrockrat at 11:35 AM on September 22, 2014
This reporter is not the face of the legalize movement.
What we have here, folks, is a tone argument.
posted by spitbull at 11:39 AM on September 22, 2014 [9 favorites]
What we have here, folks, is a tone argument.
posted by spitbull at 11:39 AM on September 22, 2014 [9 favorites]
It falls to some activists, in other words, to shout unpleasant truths about the emperor's bare ass.
Also, is there any reason to believe she was under the influence during the report in question? Frankly, I'd have expected a long, weepy goodbye if she were.
posted by spitbull at 11:41 AM on September 22, 2014
Also, is there any reason to believe she was under the influence during the report in question? Frankly, I'd have expected a long, weepy goodbye if she were.
posted by spitbull at 11:41 AM on September 22, 2014
Is its funny? Sure. But it's about as unprofessional as you can get. If no one ever takes this woman seriously again, well, she'll know why.
First off, I think most of the appeal here is a vicarious thrill, and not much more than that. People who have had shitty jobs with shitty bosses might relate to the "fuck it, I'm out" sentiment. And a lot of people have had that experience at some point.
As for being taken seriously? Her other job where she is a CEO is heavily, heavily invested in legalization and frankly this could just as easily look like integrity. Some of us are not in fact that put off by use of the f-word, and even appreciate it in the context of calling bullshit bullshit. You are no doubt aware of the serious and often unnecessarily harsh consequences of marijuana criminalization on people who use, sell, or even need it as medicine. She did something that I'm not going to fault someone for standing up for. Frankly, that took integrity.
I feel like middle management and HR have showed up to this thread to do damage control.
posted by Hoopo at 1:25 PM on September 22, 2014 [28 favorites]
First off, I think most of the appeal here is a vicarious thrill, and not much more than that. People who have had shitty jobs with shitty bosses might relate to the "fuck it, I'm out" sentiment. And a lot of people have had that experience at some point.
As for being taken seriously? Her other job where she is a CEO is heavily, heavily invested in legalization and frankly this could just as easily look like integrity. Some of us are not in fact that put off by use of the f-word, and even appreciate it in the context of calling bullshit bullshit. You are no doubt aware of the serious and often unnecessarily harsh consequences of marijuana criminalization on people who use, sell, or even need it as medicine. She did something that I'm not going to fault someone for standing up for. Frankly, that took integrity.
I feel like middle management and HR have showed up to this thread to do damage control.
posted by Hoopo at 1:25 PM on September 22, 2014 [28 favorites]
I give this 0.8 Steven Slaters.
posted by rouftop at 1:52 PM on September 22, 2014 [4 favorites]
posted by rouftop at 1:52 PM on September 22, 2014 [4 favorites]
That a journalist who either pranks her employer on-air or deliberately conceals a conflict of interest is a hero.
Pick one. Pranking her employer on-air took the form of revealing the conflict of interest, which is frankly more than you'd usually expect from local TV news.
posted by Dysk at 2:36 PM on September 22, 2014
Pick one. Pranking her employer on-air took the form of revealing the conflict of interest, which is frankly more than you'd usually expect from local TV news.
posted by Dysk at 2:36 PM on September 22, 2014
This is change. That's all it is. People are getting fed up. Just because she's a reporter doesn't mean she's immune. I know someone who quit their job over marijuana in a similar (though less public) fashion.
Yeah, she's invested in the other company. Yeah, she makes money off of it. So what? Is it a good cause? Is it a just cause? If the answer is yes, then she made a stand with integrity. Good for her, and good for the cause.
Anything helps right now. There are still a lot of people in prison over minor marijuana related 'crimes'.
posted by Malice at 2:39 PM on September 22, 2014 [1 favorite]
Yeah, she's invested in the other company. Yeah, she makes money off of it. So what? Is it a good cause? Is it a just cause? If the answer is yes, then she made a stand with integrity. Good for her, and good for the cause.
Anything helps right now. There are still a lot of people in prison over minor marijuana related 'crimes'.
posted by Malice at 2:39 PM on September 22, 2014 [1 favorite]
Yeah, this was a huge conflict of interest.
... except for the part where she disclosed her association on air.
posted by Noisy Pink Bubbles at 3:16 PM on September 22, 2014 [5 favorites]
... except for the part where she disclosed her association on air.
posted by Noisy Pink Bubbles at 3:16 PM on September 22, 2014 [5 favorites]
I cheered. I've been at jobs where I wanted to tell a bad employer to fuck off, and had fantasies ranging from just how many ways I could use fuck during my resignation to running down all the cubical rows, birds in the air, shouting "so long, suck town!". My favorite fantasy at that job was my plan to make a flash animation (it was 2008) that was a resignation letter with all my grievances, animated Star Wars intro style. I would have done it too, but I was so elated that I was quitting that I didn't have the patience to put it together before resigning.
Count me as one of the people that enjoyed it.
posted by [insert clever name here] at 3:51 PM on September 22, 2014
Count me as one of the people that enjoyed it.
posted by [insert clever name here] at 3:51 PM on September 22, 2014
People who work in medical marijuana see the devastating effects that decades of lies about marijuana have caused. They've seen people die horribly, suffer cruelly for their medicinal choices, and face ignorance in order to have some solace in their final days.
Decades of lies, perpetuated by people who were afraid of the economic impacts that legal marijuana could have on their pocketbooks, created a culture of ignorance and hatred which made it impossible to even study a plant which grows out of the ground.
I think "Fuck it" is a mild response to the thousands of lies that TV news has perpetuated about marijuana. When marijuana is no longer Schedule I, legal in many states, and the benefits of having it around become abundantly clear, perhaps jail terms for the people who placed profit over public health will be considered mild, too.
posted by Revvy at 4:13 PM on September 22, 2014 [5 favorites]
Decades of lies, perpetuated by people who were afraid of the economic impacts that legal marijuana could have on their pocketbooks, created a culture of ignorance and hatred which made it impossible to even study a plant which grows out of the ground.
I think "Fuck it" is a mild response to the thousands of lies that TV news has perpetuated about marijuana. When marijuana is no longer Schedule I, legal in many states, and the benefits of having it around become abundantly clear, perhaps jail terms for the people who placed profit over public health will be considered mild, too.
posted by Revvy at 4:13 PM on September 22, 2014 [5 favorites]
Yeah, this lol stoners thing is not helpful. She's obviously fed up (along with a lot of us) with watching the WOD needlessly destroy people's lives and families. Good for her for taking a stand. I'm a fan of this and more please.
posted by Bacon Bit at 5:23 PM on September 22, 2014 [4 favorites]
posted by Bacon Bit at 5:23 PM on September 22, 2014 [4 favorites]
I'm not sure about the MJ impact or the apparent conflict of interest aspect, but I was fortunate enough to be able tell my employer to fuck off and it was truly awesome. Walked out the door with my head held high. Some times enough is enough.
posted by InsertNiftyNameHere at 6:33 PM on September 22, 2014 [2 favorites]
posted by InsertNiftyNameHere at 6:33 PM on September 22, 2014 [2 favorites]
"So, no, she's not brave. She's unprofessional. She's a liar. She's in the wrong."
She's a liar?
Jesus fuck, did you optimize your browser for maximum toady? How do you know she's a liar?
And there are worse things than being unprofessional in a local media job — I'd wager a good two thirds of local media (reporters, producers, etc.) are unprofessional and unethical on the regular. But those professional ethics are set up to avoid conflict of interest and undisclosed bias — they're predicated on the idea that people are getting something objective and misleading them is unfair and corrosive to public trust. How, exactly, did saying, "Fuck it, I quit," hurt the public trust?
We wouldn't be talking about this if she hadn't quit dramatically. She knows that, we know that. And aside from some maundering tone-argument about how she's setting the movement back, man, what's the harm?
/actually went to journalism school so get off your goddamned high horse
posted by klangklangston at 7:20 PM on September 22, 2014 [6 favorites]
She's a liar?
Jesus fuck, did you optimize your browser for maximum toady? How do you know she's a liar?
And there are worse things than being unprofessional in a local media job — I'd wager a good two thirds of local media (reporters, producers, etc.) are unprofessional and unethical on the regular. But those professional ethics are set up to avoid conflict of interest and undisclosed bias — they're predicated on the idea that people are getting something objective and misleading them is unfair and corrosive to public trust. How, exactly, did saying, "Fuck it, I quit," hurt the public trust?
We wouldn't be talking about this if she hadn't quit dramatically. She knows that, we know that. And aside from some maundering tone-argument about how she's setting the movement back, man, what's the harm?
/actually went to journalism school so get off your goddamned high horse
posted by klangklangston at 7:20 PM on September 22, 2014 [6 favorites]
"I'm as mad as, er...
H-E-double hockey sticks!
And I'm not going to take this anymore!"
posted by Atom Eyes at 8:02 PM on September 22, 2014 [1 favorite]
H-E-double hockey sticks!
And I'm not going to take this anymore!"
posted by Atom Eyes at 8:02 PM on September 22, 2014 [1 favorite]
oceanjesse: "with my head held high.
Cough cough"
I didn't even see what I did there. Thank you for the enlightenment. nb, I wasn't under the influence of any chemicals.
posted by InsertNiftyNameHere at 8:47 PM on September 22, 2014
Cough cough"
I didn't even see what I did there. Thank you for the enlightenment. nb, I wasn't under the influence of any chemicals.
posted by InsertNiftyNameHere at 8:47 PM on September 22, 2014
>> I feel like middle management and HR have showed up to this thread to do damage control.
Haha. That is a good one.
posted by punkrockrat at 9:41 PM on September 22, 2014 [1 favorite]
Haha. That is a good one.
posted by punkrockrat at 9:41 PM on September 22, 2014 [1 favorite]
Atom Eyes: ""I'm as mad as, er...
H-E-double hockey sticks!
And I'm not going to take this anymore!""
I think you meant that you're mad as Helsinki. Or at least that was how my brothers and I could tell one another to go someplace without technically violating the rules in front of our parents.
posted by InsertNiftyNameHere at 10:42 PM on September 22, 2014
H-E-double hockey sticks!
And I'm not going to take this anymore!""
I think you meant that you're mad as Helsinki. Or at least that was how my brothers and I could tell one another to go someplace without technically violating the rules in front of our parents.
posted by InsertNiftyNameHere at 10:42 PM on September 22, 2014
Oh fer gawd's sake.
1. This is hilarious.
2. No Great Truths or Noble Ethics were harmed in the making of this.
3. Assuming only certain gender classes wear or clutch pearls is unacceptable prejudice.
4. On balance, the world is a better place.
5. I too would like to vape with Willy on public transport. Kickstarter, anyone?
posted by Devonian at 8:43 AM on September 23, 2014
1. This is hilarious.
2. No Great Truths or Noble Ethics were harmed in the making of this.
3. Assuming only certain gender classes wear or clutch pearls is unacceptable prejudice.
4. On balance, the world is a better place.
5. I too would like to vape with Willy on public transport. Kickstarter, anyone?
posted by Devonian at 8:43 AM on September 23, 2014
3. Assuming only certain gender classes wear or clutch pearls is unacceptable prejudice.
The listener doesn't need to assume this, the idiom does it for you.
posted by Dysk at 8:46 AM on September 23, 2014
The listener doesn't need to assume this, the idiom does it for you.
posted by Dysk at 8:46 AM on September 23, 2014
Grantland's commentary
So refreshing after all the coverage about her "profanity-laden" tirade. I don't think one "bad word" is something everyone needs to get so exercised about. And it was the 11:00 news, anyway. There shouldn't be any "think of the children" necessary, and you have to think all the adults watching have heard it before.
posted by leahwrenn at 9:11 AM on September 23, 2014
So refreshing after all the coverage about her "profanity-laden" tirade. I don't think one "bad word" is something everyone needs to get so exercised about. And it was the 11:00 news, anyway. There shouldn't be any "think of the children" necessary, and you have to think all the adults watching have heard it before.
posted by leahwrenn at 9:11 AM on September 23, 2014
Followup from Alaska Dispatch --- the No on 2 campaign (Big Marijuana, Big Mistake) had apparently complained about bias on previous marijuana stories.
posted by leahwrenn at 9:14 AM on September 23, 2014
posted by leahwrenn at 9:14 AM on September 23, 2014
What do people have against normalizing the audio on their videos before uploading them?
posted by MrBobaFett at 10:12 AM on September 23, 2014
posted by MrBobaFett at 10:12 AM on September 23, 2014
Dude, don't be normative.
posted by entropicamericana at 10:33 AM on September 23, 2014 [1 favorite]
posted by entropicamericana at 10:33 AM on September 23, 2014 [1 favorite]
/actually went to journalism school so get off your goddamned high horse
I think it's lying to do stories about something you have a vested interest in without disclosing it to anyone. I think it's lying to go on the air knowing you're not going to do your job and instead go into business for yourself. I don't care if the stakes or low or no one watched it or whatever. She misrepresented herself. That's lying.
I don't see her as a hero. I just can't.
posted by inturnaround at 9:46 PM on September 23, 2014
I think it's lying to do stories about something you have a vested interest in without disclosing it to anyone. I think it's lying to go on the air knowing you're not going to do your job and instead go into business for yourself. I don't care if the stakes or low or no one watched it or whatever. She misrepresented herself. That's lying.
I don't see her as a hero. I just can't.
posted by inturnaround at 9:46 PM on September 23, 2014
Ok, so, firstly, at which point did she lie? Do you think they asked her, before every news story, "hey, does this story actually totally violate your personal beliefs? Just checking!" And if she had said "actually yeah," don't you think she would have lost her job- and absolutely no one would have known a thing about it? So, instead, she decided- I will stand up for what I believe in, using this platform I have access to, knowing it will cost me my job, because I am tired of lying.
posted by showbiz_liz at 10:39 PM on September 23, 2014 [1 favorite]
posted by showbiz_liz at 10:39 PM on September 23, 2014 [1 favorite]
I see a woman who quit a steady, well-paying, comparatively glamorous job
I'm stealing words but its an extraordinary job with an ordinary salary (so says a spouse). Google suggests its more lucrative to be a palm reader than a news reporter.
posted by Ogre Lawless at 12:25 AM on September 24, 2014
I'm stealing words but its an extraordinary job with an ordinary salary (so says a spouse). Google suggests its more lucrative to be a palm reader than a news reporter.
posted by Ogre Lawless at 12:25 AM on September 24, 2014
Ok, so, firstly, at which point did she lie? Do you think they asked her, before every news story, "hey, does this story actually totally violate your personal beliefs? Just checking!" And if she had said "actually yeah," don't you think she would have lost her job- and absolutely no one would have known a thing about it?
It's a lie of omission. She should have disclosed the fact that she owned the organization she was reporting on. I really don't care if she would have lost her job or not as a result of this disclosure. It's possible she just wouldn't have been put on the pot beat. For example, there's a news anchor in Philadelphia who is married to a local congressman. She doesn't report on anything he does. Simple as that. But the Alaska station also could have said, "This is advocacy and doesn't mesh with what our mission is." and I wouldn't have blamed them one bit.
Look, I understand WHY she didn't disclose. She didn't want to lose her job. Well...at least not lose it on terms other than her own. But just because I understand why she did it doesn't mean I can remotely condone it.
I mean, that's the thing you don't really get to do as the kind of journalist she was. You don't get to take a public stand on political issues...and marijuana legalization is certainly that. And she reported at least once on the organization she owns. What the hell is that? She knew it was wrong and she did it anyway.
posted by inturnaround at 4:11 AM on September 24, 2014
It's a lie of omission. She should have disclosed the fact that she owned the organization she was reporting on. I really don't care if she would have lost her job or not as a result of this disclosure. It's possible she just wouldn't have been put on the pot beat. For example, there's a news anchor in Philadelphia who is married to a local congressman. She doesn't report on anything he does. Simple as that. But the Alaska station also could have said, "This is advocacy and doesn't mesh with what our mission is." and I wouldn't have blamed them one bit.
Look, I understand WHY she didn't disclose. She didn't want to lose her job. Well...at least not lose it on terms other than her own. But just because I understand why she did it doesn't mean I can remotely condone it.
I mean, that's the thing you don't really get to do as the kind of journalist she was. You don't get to take a public stand on political issues...and marijuana legalization is certainly that. And she reported at least once on the organization she owns. What the hell is that? She knew it was wrong and she did it anyway.
posted by inturnaround at 4:11 AM on September 24, 2014
I really don't care if she would have lost her job or not
Similarly, I really don't care about the opinion of someone who would express such an opinion about another person's livelihood in this day and age
posted by showbiz_liz at 8:04 AM on September 24, 2014 [1 favorite]
Similarly, I really don't care about the opinion of someone who would express such an opinion about another person's livelihood in this day and age
posted by showbiz_liz at 8:04 AM on September 24, 2014 [1 favorite]
"She should have disclosed the fact that she owned the organization she was reporting on."
You mean, like, on air when she quit?
"I think it's lying to go on the air knowing you're not going to do your job and instead go into business for yourself."
You're just making shit up to justify your knee-jerk opinion. Sorry.
"I don't see her as a hero. I just can't."
So what?
"I really don't care if she would have lost her job or not as a result of this disclosure."
But, see, she did. Remember? She quit and disclosed? That was pretty much the point of the, "Fuck it, I quit" video that you ostensibly watched just moments before you commented.
"But the Alaska station also could have said, "This is advocacy and doesn't mesh with what our mission is." and I wouldn't have blamed them one bit. "
Meh. Like I said, I went to j-school. It's not the best thing that she did, but it's pretty low on the list of venal local news sins. She was doing something that's illegal but for the greater good. Then after being accused of bias, she owned up and quit. The system works! But instead you're acting like she was the first one to tell you there's no Santa.
posted by klangklangston at 8:54 AM on September 24, 2014 [1 favorite]
You mean, like, on air when she quit?
"I think it's lying to go on the air knowing you're not going to do your job and instead go into business for yourself."
You're just making shit up to justify your knee-jerk opinion. Sorry.
"I don't see her as a hero. I just can't."
So what?
"I really don't care if she would have lost her job or not as a result of this disclosure."
But, see, she did. Remember? She quit and disclosed? That was pretty much the point of the, "Fuck it, I quit" video that you ostensibly watched just moments before you commented.
"But the Alaska station also could have said, "This is advocacy and doesn't mesh with what our mission is." and I wouldn't have blamed them one bit. "
Meh. Like I said, I went to j-school. It's not the best thing that she did, but it's pretty low on the list of venal local news sins. She was doing something that's illegal but for the greater good. Then after being accused of bias, she owned up and quit. The system works! But instead you're acting like she was the first one to tell you there's no Santa.
posted by klangklangston at 8:54 AM on September 24, 2014 [1 favorite]
Similarly, I really don't care about the opinion of someone who would express such an opinion about another person's livelihood in this day and age
She has a job. She's a business owner. One or the other, not both. And yes, I'm being a tad flippant about her job, but it's like I'm hearing people defend her by saying, "Well, she would have lost her job if she admitted to doing the wrong thing!" And all my brain is thinking is, "Yeah, because she did the wrong thing!"
And really, klangklangston? Do you honestly think that disclosing on air ages after some of her initial reports that she was reporting on her own business is just a venial sin?
I don't think she had to disclose it until she was assigned stories about it. But I've read that she did stories about this for months. I mean, how can anyone trust her reporting on this issue? It erodes the credibility of the station.
Then she does what she did. I don't see that wipes that slate clean.
posted by inturnaround at 2:14 PM on September 24, 2014 [1 favorite]
She has a job. She's a business owner. One or the other, not both. And yes, I'm being a tad flippant about her job, but it's like I'm hearing people defend her by saying, "Well, she would have lost her job if she admitted to doing the wrong thing!" And all my brain is thinking is, "Yeah, because she did the wrong thing!"
And really, klangklangston? Do you honestly think that disclosing on air ages after some of her initial reports that she was reporting on her own business is just a venial sin?
I don't think she had to disclose it until she was assigned stories about it. But I've read that she did stories about this for months. I mean, how can anyone trust her reporting on this issue? It erodes the credibility of the station.
Then she does what she did. I don't see that wipes that slate clean.
posted by inturnaround at 2:14 PM on September 24, 2014 [1 favorite]
But: why are you mad tho? Serious question.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 4:35 PM on September 24, 2014
posted by Potomac Avenue at 4:35 PM on September 24, 2014
I'm not mad. I just disagree with what appears to be a majority who think differently from me and I feel the words I chose accurately portray what I saw.
I don't think it's the end of the world. I don't think the sky is falling.
posted by inturnaround at 9:47 PM on September 24, 2014
I don't think it's the end of the world. I don't think the sky is falling.
posted by inturnaround at 9:47 PM on September 24, 2014
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