April 28, 2000

8:47 PM

So Dave has a distributable protest site up for the elian_true animation. What I want to know is, what does this mean: "Wazzup!!! To every tax paying American that felt they should have sent Elian Gonzalez to join his Mother (in the ocean)."
posted by ericost (24 comments total)

I haven't followed the whole thing that much, but I guess it means that whoever wrote that said that we wanted him to drown and never come here.
posted by hobbes at 9:07 PM on April 28, 2000

I, personally, think it just means (as I've always suspected) that the sky in Dave's world is a different color from ours...
posted by baylink at 9:12 PM on April 28, 2000

He's not just a fuck; he's a sick fuck, too! Zooooooooooooooooom!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
posted by luke at 10:03 PM on April 28, 2000

Foooooooooooooooooolz!
posted by davewiner at 10:20 PM on April 28, 2000

http://raccoon.hypermart.net/elian_true/

Same thing.
posted by hobbes at 10:21 PM on April 28, 2000

Hey, I am seriously asking what it means, and I did NOT mean to imply that Dave wrote it. I have no idea who wrote it. But "Wazzup", especially in the context of that commercial, is a greeting of camaraderie. So it seems to be saying "hello to all you like-minded people out there who wish Elian had drowned like his mother!"
posted by ericost at 10:30 PM on April 28, 2000

OK, I'll take back my comment. So he didn't write it, but I think Eric's parsing is correct, so why would Dave repost such a tasteless comment? And why would he be so careless with the link from Scriptingnews ("my part") and the excessive exlamation marks ("!"), which conspire to make it look like these are Dave's words.
posted by luke at 11:28 PM on April 28, 2000

If you had a clue what was happening outside of your little cubicle or were willing to do a little web surfing, you'd find out that the AP was trying to shut those guys down, and that the site was mirrored at thousands of places on the Web, not just at Scripting News. Have a nice day.
posted by davewiner at 7:08 AM on April 29, 2000

Dave, how about responding to my question? How do you read the "join his mother" comment? I have been following the story closely, but I can't make sense that. This is not a personal attack (from me, anyway), just a question. I am sorry that I brought a whole dose of Dave related vitriol to this thread by mentioning that I found the site at scriptingnews.com.
posted by ericost at 7:20 AM on April 29, 2000

What vitriol? I'm playing with yooooooooooz.

Anyway what question are you asking? I have no clooooz.

Have a great day.
posted by davewiner at 1:32 PM on April 29, 2000

Yes, of course Dave, I am well aware of the AP situation, partly because I've seen several other mirrors. Yours was the first to have the comment about sending Elian to sleep with the dolphins. I applaud you for the mirror, but why repost the comment? Why not just mirror the Flash file? Why make yourself look like a tasteless jingoist?
posted by luke at 2:31 PM on April 29, 2000

Um, Luke? I think you haven't spent enough time reading Dave. That ain't him.
posted by baylink at 3:45 PM on April 29, 2000

I did not make any such comment. I think you're having a bad day Luke. Not a big deal. Dave
posted by davewiner at 3:56 PM on April 29, 2000

Yes, yes, I am now fully aware that it was not Dave who made this comment (though that's how it struck me at first, and I read Scriptingnews several times a week (only so I can get the jokes at Winerlog, I swear)).

My question is, why would he mirror such a comment? To me, such a repost is an endorsement of the comment. Why not, as Jason Kottke did, just mirror the Flash file? It just seems bizarre. That's all. Not a big deal.
posted by luke at 4:46 PM on April 29, 2000

Let's see if I can show you how weird your comment is.

First, I have no idea who Luke is, and I swear I wouldn't read his site unless someone parodied him. I would only read his site so I could understand the jokes on the parody site.

My question is why would you ask such a question? To me, such a question is an endorsement of someone very awful like Adolf Hitler. Why not do what someone who designs nice websites, like Zeldman does, and live in New York City? For all I know you live in New York? It seems really weird. Why don't you live in New York. Not a big deal, but it seems really bizarre that you don't.

Yours in echolalia.

Dave
posted by davewiner at 4:43 PM on April 30, 2000

Wow.
posted by luke at 8:07 PM on April 30, 2000

Does Godwin's Law have jurisdiction in this forum?
posted by Steven Den Beste at 9:11 PM on April 30, 2000

to paraphrase Mango: What Who What Who Who What?
posted by chaz at 10:20 PM on April 30, 2000

My observation would have to be that I wish *this* Dave Winer would take over Winerlog. No offense, but the guy who's running it now has chnaged it from pretty decent satire into schoolyard Nyaah-nyaah; I no longer find it especially funny.

Given the number of hits it no longer sends me, apparently I'm not the only one who thinks this.

The original Winerlog was funny precisely *because* it could have been being written by Dave's twin brother, who hates him. (Note: I have no idea whether Dave has a twin brother, or whether they get along if so...)
posted by baylink at 6:26 AM on May 1, 2000

Zooooooooom. That's Godwin's Law, btw.
posted by sylloge at 10:04 AM on May 1, 2000

The original Winerlog was funny precisely *because* it could have been being written by Dave's twin brother, who hates him

I agree. He really got under my skin. When the new guy (John Grohol, a psychologist) took over I said on scripting news that sarcasm is best left to professionals. The original guy was one of the Suck writers, although I didn't appreciate it at the time, he was very very good.
posted by davewiner at 8:11 AM on May 2, 2000

Well, I think Dave has made his views on the new winerlogger quite clear.
posted by harmful at 12:10 PM on May 2, 2000

hmm... here's something odd, John Grohol looks like he's also the deadat32 guy. He's doing Winerlog too?
posted by mathowie at 12:36 PM on May 2, 2000

Yes sir, that may explain some of the animosity there. Excellent detective-work, Mr Haughey!
posted by EngineBeak at 2:49 PM on May 2, 2000