Eating mushrooms can sometimes do weird things to you
October 28, 2015 10:04 AM   Subscribe

 
what. why would i click on any of these things.
posted by schmod at 10:14 AM on October 28, 2015 [9 favorites]


Also, eponoysterical?
posted by schmod at 10:15 AM on October 28, 2015 [8 favorites]


I had always wanted to try mushrooms in high school but it never happened. (I did do a lot of acid though.)
posted by Kitteh at 10:16 AM on October 28, 2015


Increase in size.
posted by Fizz at 10:19 AM on October 28, 2015 [4 favorites]


That death cap mushroom is no joke, ya'all.
posted by glaucon at 10:19 AM on October 28, 2015 [4 favorites]


The first link is a fascinating account. According to eyewitnesses, the patient also began to nae nae.
posted by dr_dank at 10:23 AM on October 28, 2015 [7 favorites]


So, these are all entirely different fungi... ?
It is kind of like making post on the random effects of 'Plants'.

I would have appreciated more editorialising, rather than less. Poisoning only in conjunction with alcohol is interesting, but I felt very brave even clicking on each of the very unappealing sounding links.

(FYI: None of the links contained anything grosser than links to medical reports, which weren't hugely detailed)
posted by Elysum at 10:27 AM on October 28, 2015 [2 favorites]


"Conditional puking" needs to either be the title of a chapter in a book of some kind, the name of a current day punk album, or an entire self-help/recovery program involving seminars and workshops complete with books with space for diary-keeping and question response.

The last one would make most happy, because seeing ads in the paper for the "Conditional Puking" self-help weekend would make me somehow quite happy.
posted by hippybear at 10:32 AM on October 28, 2015 [4 favorites]


ya'all.

*y'all

Sincerely, Atlanta
posted by Fleebnork at 10:35 AM on October 28, 2015 [29 favorites]


I pick and eat wild mushrooms. There are actually rather a few mushrooms that grow wild in North America that are "edible with caution" not because they can be mistaken for poisonous lookalikes but because they have weird effects on some small percentage of people or in some particular circumstances. Causing stomach distress when taken with alcohol is actually a pretty common warning.

Interestingly, the majority of mushroom poisonings that happen in North America happen to immigrants. That's because wild mushroom picking is very much a folk knowledge thing. You might have learned, for example, that it's safe to eat any brown mushroom of a certain size that has pores instead of gills on the underside of the cap. Your family can have been doing this safely in your home country for generations.

But then you move to another part of the world and, while that same delicious mushroom still occurs there, there is a poisonous lookalike, differentiated by a veil on the stalk, that does not grow in your home country. So you pick it, eat it, and die. Meanwhile, generations of people in the new country have been safely picking mushrooms with the folk knowledge that it's safe to eat any pored mushroom of any colour with no veil. If those same people go back to your home country, they will be poisoned by the white pored mushroom you would have known not to eat.
posted by 256 at 10:36 AM on October 28, 2015 [35 favorites]


"Conditional puking" would also be good fake hacker slang for software exception handling.
posted by Strange Interlude at 10:39 AM on October 28, 2015 [4 favorites]


Erm, Coming.
posted by progosk at 10:41 AM on October 28, 2015 [4 favorites]


Coprinopsis atramentaria (last link in OP) is also known as "inky cap" because it melts into a black liquid that has been used as ink, and "tippler's bane" because of its effect as an emetic when consumed with alcohol. Sort of a fungal Antabuse.

I had to update my knowledge because the splitters have been at work - inky caps used to be in Coprinus, but now that's just for the delicious shaggy mane. Fortunately, "The agent responsible for unpleasant symptoms when consumed with alcohol, coprine, which is found in Coprinopsis atramentaria, has not been isolated from C. comatus." (Though I am a lifelong teetotaler and it makes no difference to me.)
posted by larrybob at 10:42 AM on October 28, 2015


I would have appreciated more editorialising, rather than less.

Good point. It's very tempting to make these little link posts, but I'll try to write more in the future.

Also, here's another paper on the weird rash eating shiitake mushrooms can give you .
posted by bismol at 10:50 AM on October 28, 2015 [2 favorites]


going off of item's comment, i would highly recommend drinking a small bit of mushroom tea and going to a crystal fair especially when the fair is being held in a cool spot like fort mason in sf.

i'm not really one for eating (regular) mushrooms - something about the texture just really doesn't do it for me - but i think they're super fascinating. my friend used to live with mycologist paul stamets' niece and we have a really awesome mushroom-based sore throat spray living in our fridge that he gave her.
posted by burgerrr at 10:55 AM on October 28, 2015


Interestingly, the majority of mushroom poisonings that happen in North America happen to immigrants.

Most infamously the death cap is mistaken for the Asian straw mushroom.
posted by atoxyl at 11:09 AM on October 28, 2015 [1 favorite]


Sadly, a former student and his GF both died after eating misidentified wild mushrooms they had collected, so I know all too well what happens when a person's liver says "fuck you" to impulsively consumed wild mushrooms. Acute liver failure is an extremely unpleasant way to die.

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posted by mosk at 11:27 AM on October 28, 2015


That's terrible, mosk. I proselytize a little bit about how much fun mushroom picking is, but it's important to remember that the dangers are no joke.
posted by 256 at 11:29 AM on October 28, 2015


Interestingly, the majority of mushroom poisonings that happen in North America happen to immigrants.

As a transplant from coastal BC to Ontario, I'm basically an immigrant when it comes to mushrooms, and I know I have to be careful. Last year I was backcountry canoe camping when I came across what looked like a dozen huge porcinis. Well, not quite. But they looked more like Boletus edulis than the B. rex-veris that can be found in BC. Had I just found the key to the greatest risotto I will ever taste? I packed out what would be conservatively four pounds of mushrooms that turned out to be Tylopilus felleus, aka the bitter bolete. Positive identification of the edible but decidedly un-porcini-like mushroom is to taste a tiny piece. Is it the most unbearably bitter thing you have ever put to your lips? Yes? Then that's yer mushroom. Throwing those beautiful mushrooms in the compost felt like such a waste. They even smelled amazing.
posted by [expletive deleted] at 11:34 AM on October 28, 2015 [3 favorites]


One thing that's interesting is that people in the US are terrified of eating wild mushrooms but not of eating wild plants. Despite water hemlock being the equal of any poisonous mushroom and being super abundant in many areas, to use one example.
posted by Mitrovarr at 11:44 AM on October 28, 2015


While there was no link for "puking while tripping while entangled in your buddies hammock on a coastal island off Florida" I felt it was covered by the larger topic.

Damn you, college!
posted by Abehammerb Lincoln at 11:59 AM on October 28, 2015 [2 favorites]


people in the US are terrified of eating wild mushrooms but not of eating wild plants

Is that even true? You know people who eat wild plants indiscriminately but are terrified of eating wild mushrooms?
posted by Wolfdog at 12:18 PM on October 28, 2015 [9 favorites]


256 wrote: I pick and eat wild mushrooms.

so how does one begin to go about learning enough to pick their own wild mushrooms? A book? I've tried to learn online but I think from reading above that I would be better served seeking out a local guide to show me the indigenous differences.
posted by any major dude at 12:31 PM on October 28, 2015 [1 favorite]


One thing that's interesting is that people in the US are terrified of eating wild mushrooms but not of eating wild plants.

Dunno the extent that's true, but people do fall prey to the notion that "it's herbal, therefore natural, therefore safe":

Accidental digitalis poisoning due to drinking herbal tea.

A friend of mine got into wild mushroom foraging a few years ago after doing her homework for a whole year (lots of books), learning how to use spore prints and other methods for identifying edibles (beware false morels) and sticking to stuff that can't be misidentified. Like the very delicious lobster mushroom, which isn't a type of mushroom on its own, rather a zombie mushroom (white rusella transformed thanks to our parasitic friend hypomyces lactifluorum).

I've picked pounds and pounds of those with her over the last few summers and boy howdy did I go to town with lobster mushroom risotto and other delectables using them - I've seen them retail for $30-$50 (Canadian) per pound depending on the season so I feel like all this foraging has been quite a steal.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 12:50 PM on October 28, 2015 [2 favorites]


But yeah - I've had people say "OMG - wild mushrooms? Aren't you afraid of being poisoned?"

Then I tell them they're zombie mushrooms, so no, and then they're even more confused.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 1:02 PM on October 28, 2015 [2 favorites]


so how does one begin to go about learning enough to pick their own wild mushrooms?

This is something where I definitely recommend getting a mentor. Ideally, you would find someone who already picks mushrooms in your area and go out with them. Learn to identify one or two specific mushrooms that grow in your region. Learn some specific sites where they are prevalent, and spend a while picking just those mushrooms in just those spots.

Once you feel comfortable identifying those mushrooms on your own, you can branch out using a book or identification key. The Audubon Society guide is fantastic.
posted by 256 at 1:02 PM on October 28, 2015 [1 favorite]


so how does one begin to go about learning enough to pick their own wild mushrooms? A book? I've tried to learn online but I think from reading above that I would be better served seeking out a local guide to show me the indigenous differences.

A good route is to join a mycological society in your area, then go out on some hunts with them.

Or just be good friends with a member of one. This is how I am currently eating a delicious sausage and chanterelle mushroom lasagna.
posted by medeine at 1:06 PM on October 28, 2015


From the "frothing" link:
CONCLUSIONS
Mushrooms are safe, nutritious, and delicious to consume.
Guess I should go eat all the wild mushrooms now.
posted by Pfardentrott at 1:12 PM on October 28, 2015


(beware false morels)

One of my favorite mushroom facts is that the fumes of false morels in a poorly ventilated area can poison you.
posted by atoxyl at 1:47 PM on October 28, 2015 [2 favorites]


I have sort of the opposite of conditional puking. The only time that I can stomach mushrooms is if I'm drunk.
posted by Splunge at 1:48 PM on October 28, 2015


so how does one begin to go about learning enough to pick their own wild mushrooms?

A mentor or guide is best; otherwise, armed just with a book it's best to stick to the very few very unmistakeable ones - in my area of Tuscany, gallinacci, barbe di capra and trombette dei morti (which, luckily, the locals shun.)
posted by progosk at 1:58 PM on October 28, 2015


so how does one begin to go about learning enough to pick their own wild mushrooms? A book?

I really like this book, most of the mushrooms listed do not have poisonous lookalikes and those that do have clearly defined ways to tell the difference. The book is large and has full page color photos, teaches mushroom anatomy and how to make a spore print.

A live guide would be better, but I've never been able to find one when I have free time for this sort of endeavor.

Obviously, don't put anything into your mouth until you feel 100% certain of your identification, enough to argue with somebody in a position of authority about it. You should have "of course the sky is blue" type certainty before dining.
posted by Feyala at 2:15 PM on October 28, 2015


I picked chantarelles in Sweden. But it was easy to pick them out. (Now someone will tell me there is a deadly mushroom there that looks just like chantarelles.)
posted by persona au gratin at 2:22 PM on October 28, 2015


The first mushroom book I got, given to me by my uncle when I lived in Minnesota, was Edible Mushrooms by Clyde M. Christensen, published by the University of Minnesota Press. It might be still be appropriate for Midwesterners and focuses on the Foolproof Four.

After moving to California and joining the Mycological Society of San Francisco I got a copy of David Aurora's Mushrooms Demystified, which is basically the bible for west-coasters. Going on forays with an organization like the Mycological Society is great for learning identification, and their monthly meetings and annual public fairs (where recently collected specimens are displayed) are worth attending.

Aurora also has a smaller, more anecdotal book, All That the Rain Promises and More: A Hip Pocket Guide to Western Mushrooms.
posted by larrybob at 2:45 PM on October 28, 2015 [3 favorites]


...Puking while tripping...

I've consumed more than my fair share of 'shrooms (and peyote, for that matter) and I have never, ever, ever been nauseous. I've always heard stories of people losing their lunch over 'shrooms, so I guess I've been lucky. Though, the idea of a truly technicolor yawn is kind of intriguing.
posted by Thorzdad at 2:58 PM on October 28, 2015 [1 favorite]


After moving to California and joining the Mycological Society of San Francisco I got a copy of David Aurora's Mushrooms Demystified, which is basically the bible for west-coasters. Going on forays with an organization like the Mycological Society is great for learning identification, and their monthly meetings and annual public fairs (where recently collected specimens are displayed) are worth attending.

Which reminds me the Fungus Fair is coming up. The main reason I went to this a few years ago was actually to meet the founders of Erowid, but there are some other interesting people there some of whom could probably help you get into (not something I do myself) mushroom hunting.
posted by atoxyl at 3:22 PM on October 28, 2015 [1 favorite]


Once upon a time, 32 years ago, 4 17 year-olds drove a yellow Capri to a cabin in West Virginia and decided to make pasta sauce with dried shrooms and a couple cans of crushed tomatoes. The sauce was good and all tasted and the consensus was that it needed nothing else. The giggles started minutes after dinner was served. The garlic bread was so loud when they bit it. The cheap Bulgarian wine aged well during the hundred years it took to eat that meal and all agreed that quintessence was likely the unseen 5th member of the dinner party. Everything just got better and tastier. Seconds? Oh yes, everybody wanted seconds, but they'd forgotten how to use utensils and the second round was eaten animal style and the rest of the bread crunched like thunder. They took turns seeing who could crunch or slurp noodles the loudest. Then they licked their plates clean, and with sauce on their faces they went out on the deck and frisbeed the plates towards the cardinal points of the compass. They licked each others faces clean for the last of that glorious sauce. The next day, everyone woke up alone, cold and wet in the woods and it was a struggle to reassemble the group, but all were found and fine. They had varied interpretations of the evening and an intense conversation about that on the way home.

My Polish Grandma would take me out after a few days of rain and we'd pick mushrooms. I'd ask her about a certain one and she'd say to leave it unless I had nothing to do except have visions for a day. Sounded good to me so I picked it and she grabbed my hand and told me how she'd eaten one and gone to HELL! Crossed herself. I was always curious after that. She made it back from HELL, right?

My son hates mushrooms and I'm glad. I have at least 20 types here and 2 will kill you and 1 will have unexpected effects. There is a new one coming out of a tree stump, bright red, looks like it wants to be a fire hydrant when it grows up.

Imagining Boy tripping fills me with dread. Maybe later.
posted by Mr. Yuck at 3:44 PM on October 28, 2015 [10 favorites]


Folks, unless you are a mycologist with field experience or have lived in the woods your whole life, don't try to identify and eat wild mushrooms. I only trust myself to harvest wild morel mushrooms, which are are quite possibly the most delicious organisms on Earth.
posted by Muncle at 3:51 PM on October 28, 2015


We did a lot of foraging recently, but this late summer / autumn has been unusually dry and the mushrooms were scarce and different species than usual. So I've been using books and the web to identify them.
I didn't find any of the new (to me) sorts very interesting, and on recommendation from a mushroom enthusiast site, I've dried a lot, for using in vegan stocks. It seems that might be a good idea for using the more boring sorts. We'll have to see..
posted by mumimor at 4:11 PM on October 28, 2015


No. This is not the Web. Therefore not best of the web.
posted by clvrmnky at 5:08 PM on October 28, 2015


False morels yield only false profits.
posted by Joseph Gurl at 8:37 PM on October 28, 2015


Years ago at the Folklife Festival in DC, I met a pair of professional mushroom foragers from Vermont. They talked about how lovely it was to lie on beds of moss and gather wild chanterelles. It made mushroom foraging sound like a wonderful thing to do, but I could never get past the fear of misidentifying things. Even the Vermonters took spore prints.
posted by teponaztli at 9:06 PM on October 28, 2015 [1 favorite]


I ate false morels on purpose and am still alive and have functioning organs. It was about 20 years ago and I think I dried them first. I probably wouldn't do it again because the effects are cumulative.
posted by larrybob at 12:02 AM on October 29, 2015 [1 favorite]


I ate false morels on purpose and am still alive and have functioning organs. It was about 20 years ago and I think I dried them first. I probably wouldn't do it again because the effects are cumulative.

Well the Finns (and some others I think) eat them dried or boiled, right? But they have different levels of toxin in different regions and being a hydrazine derivative it's probably none too good for you with chronic exposure either, yeah.
posted by atoxyl at 1:23 AM on October 29, 2015 [1 favorite]


I think there might be some other species sometimes called false morels too, besides the Gyromitra I'm talking about.
posted by atoxyl at 1:31 AM on October 29, 2015


I've never done 'shrooms, but in a strange conjunction of serentrippery, I happened last night to watch the episode of Family Guy where Brian takes tham and totally trips out.

So, nope.
posted by arzakh at 4:33 AM on October 29, 2015


Whipping. Frothing. Puking. Puking while tripping. Delayed puking then death. Conditional puking.

What an evening. Kebab, anyone?
posted by Segundus at 8:28 AM on October 29, 2015


For the record, the powerful bluish mushrooms from the Pacific Northwest don't make most people sick in quite manner described here.

I heard from a friend that they are terrible tasting and make you tired, but you can eat handfuls without much more than overactive kidneys.
posted by clvrmnky at 1:00 PM on October 30, 2015


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