Winner Takes All Morality and the Movies
May 22, 2016 3:21 PM Subscribe
The Goblin's Dilemma: class soildarity, selfish families, and the working class heros of Sam Raimi's A Simple Plan and Spider-Man By Bud White and Tim Kreider (Spider-Man discussion begins here)
A Simple Plan may be an actual perfect movie, it has no missteps and no Unneeded scenes.
posted by The Whelk at 3:38 PM on May 22, 2016 [3 favorites]
posted by The Whelk at 3:38 PM on May 22, 2016 [3 favorites]
The Spider-man movies are so damn great and also III.
posted by Artw at 3:48 PM on May 22, 2016 [2 favorites]
posted by Artw at 3:48 PM on May 22, 2016 [2 favorites]
(We are rewatching them and it's amazing how great 1 and 2 are and 3 is just average)
posted by The Whelk at 3:51 PM on May 22, 2016
posted by The Whelk at 3:51 PM on May 22, 2016
3 probably has sufficient material for 2 more good movies, or possibly one more good movie and some 90s garbage about Carnage or whatever.
posted by Artw at 3:53 PM on May 22, 2016 [1 favorite]
posted by Artw at 3:53 PM on May 22, 2016 [1 favorite]
Yeah, if they had just let Raimi make his Sandman movie without cramming Venom in everything would have worked better.
posted by Elementary Penguin at 3:56 PM on May 22, 2016 [1 favorite]
posted by Elementary Penguin at 3:56 PM on May 22, 2016 [1 favorite]
One good part of the Raimi movies ending at three is we never got to see Gwen Stacy fridged.
posted by Elementary Penguin at 3:57 PM on May 22, 2016 [3 favorites]
posted by Elementary Penguin at 3:57 PM on May 22, 2016 [3 favorites]
"You've made two perfectly well balanced, well paced and well characterized movies that perfectly capture the core of the character, here, let us help you make the third one by insisting you pile in as much garbage as possible!"
posted by Artw at 3:58 PM on May 22, 2016 [2 favorites]
posted by Artw at 3:58 PM on May 22, 2016 [2 favorites]
But yes, money is the prime motivator of all the Spider-Man movies, like even Dr. Ock isn't really a bad guy, he just really need funding and is like, going through a werid bender of grief ( I love how he goes from, a sauve gentleman scientist to your gross drunken uncle walking around with his shirt off , also I'm convinced there's a little shop of horror reference in the end with his arms)
In 2 Peter literally has to sit Franco down and explain to him that there are more important things going on than his FEELINGS
Also first movie green goblin is the only accurate take on the original Dr. Jewkyll/Hyde thing, green goblin is ...lower class, and can get away with murdering the business opals to normal Osburne can't be seen doing
posted by The Whelk at 3:59 PM on May 22, 2016 [3 favorites]
In 2 Peter literally has to sit Franco down and explain to him that there are more important things going on than his FEELINGS
Also first movie green goblin is the only accurate take on the original Dr. Jewkyll/Hyde thing, green goblin is ...lower class, and can get away with murdering the business opals to normal Osburne can't be seen doing
posted by The Whelk at 3:59 PM on May 22, 2016 [3 favorites]
I don't usually re-watch contemporary movies but I really should see Spiderman I and II again, especially II. Alfred Molina is so great in that.
posted by octothorpe at 4:01 PM on May 22, 2016
posted by octothorpe at 4:01 PM on May 22, 2016
A Simple Plan may be an actual perfect movie, it has no missteps and no Unneeded scenes.
I watched it again about a month ago; it's amazingly well done and so fantastic how it holds up. Paxton and Billy Bob are the two highlights of a stellar cast, a tight story, and creeping doom.
posted by nubs at 4:02 PM on May 22, 2016 [1 favorite]
I watched it again about a month ago; it's amazingly well done and so fantastic how it holds up. Paxton and Billy Bob are the two highlights of a stellar cast, a tight story, and creeping doom.
posted by nubs at 4:02 PM on May 22, 2016 [1 favorite]
Doc Ock will be just fine so long as nothing happens to THIS HEAVILY SIGNPOSTED CHIP THST MUST NOT BE DESTROYED. God I love that bit.
posted by Artw at 4:02 PM on May 22, 2016 [1 favorite]
posted by Artw at 4:02 PM on May 22, 2016 [1 favorite]
The beginning of II is just great, with Spider-Man being repeatedly crushed by his lack of money. It's relentless.
posted by Artw at 4:03 PM on May 22, 2016 [1 favorite]
posted by Artw at 4:03 PM on May 22, 2016 [1 favorite]
There are so many odd little details in 2, like the doctor wearing a grateful dead t shirt or Parker Posey for no reason? It's castfully colorful.
posted by The Whelk at 4:05 PM on May 22, 2016 [1 favorite]
posted by The Whelk at 4:05 PM on May 22, 2016 [1 favorite]
And yet set in no particular time. Bar the odd detail it's basically "sometime in the late 20th century or immediately after"
posted by Artw at 4:07 PM on May 22, 2016
posted by Artw at 4:07 PM on May 22, 2016
My kid remarked that the animation was both less good and better than in other movies she's seen - less good in that you can tell its animation (2002 really being the dawn of realistic character animation of humans mixed in with live action) but better in that it's really exciting action and you can tell what's going on.
posted by Artw at 4:09 PM on May 22, 2016 [1 favorite]
posted by Artw at 4:09 PM on May 22, 2016 [1 favorite]
Literally the only peroid sticker in the series is one eBay joke and it's right before someone shows the bugle being ...laied out by hand
posted by The Whelk at 4:20 PM on May 22, 2016 [4 favorites]
posted by The Whelk at 4:20 PM on May 22, 2016 [4 favorites]
The Green Goblin's rooftop speech to Peter about not wasting his time helping people is pure Ayn Rand.
posted by Artw at 4:22 PM on May 22, 2016
posted by Artw at 4:22 PM on May 22, 2016
One good part of the Raimi movies ending at three is we never got to see Gwen Stacy fridged.
*bridged.
posted by pattern juggler at 1:38 AM on May 23, 2016 [2 favorites]
*bridged.
posted by pattern juggler at 1:38 AM on May 23, 2016 [2 favorites]
One of my favorite things about S2 is the landlord's daughter who brings Peter a piece of cake because she's a nice person who maybe has a bit of a crush on him. She's not a supervillain in hiding, she doesn't get thrown off the proverbial bridge, she's just a nice person doing a nice thing.
posted by Halloween Jack at 5:01 AM on May 23, 2016 [2 favorites]
posted by Halloween Jack at 5:01 AM on May 23, 2016 [2 favorites]
Oh man, Spider-man 1 and 2: pretty good
3: so achingly mediocre that even Rifftrax wasn't enough to make it watchable
posted by DoctorFedora at 6:03 AM on May 23, 2016
3: so achingly mediocre that even Rifftrax wasn't enough to make it watchable
posted by DoctorFedora at 6:03 AM on May 23, 2016
Weirdly I think the bit that people hate on the most - Dark Peter being an utter dork, is the bit that works the best for me.
posted by Artw at 6:25 AM on May 23, 2016 [1 favorite]
posted by Artw at 6:25 AM on May 23, 2016 [1 favorite]
The Green Goblin's rooftop speech to Peter about not wasting his time helping people is pure Ayn Rand.Zack Snyder
posted by Sangermaine at 7:16 AM on May 23, 2016
posted by Sangermaine at 7:16 AM on May 23, 2016
Same thing.
posted by Artw at 7:17 AM on May 23, 2016 [1 favorite]
posted by Artw at 7:17 AM on May 23, 2016 [1 favorite]
Weirdly I think the bit that people hate on the most - Dark Peter being an utter dork, is the bit that works the best for me.
That absolutely is one of the best things in that movie. OF COURSE Evil Peter is a giant awkward dork, Peter is a giant awkward dork.
posted by jason_steakums at 11:14 AM on May 23, 2016
That absolutely is one of the best things in that movie. OF COURSE Evil Peter is a giant awkward dork, Peter is a giant awkward dork.
posted by jason_steakums at 11:14 AM on May 23, 2016
The Sandman reconstruction bit is pretty nice too. There's a lot of nice *bits* in general, it's just that the whole is horribly overstuffed and unstructured.
Also if they were thinking bigger they could have done a symbiote story across two films and had it work way better.
posted by Artw at 11:18 AM on May 23, 2016
Also if they were thinking bigger they could have done a symbiote story across two films and had it work way better.
posted by Artw at 11:18 AM on May 23, 2016
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