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Bill Cosby Sexual Assault Trial Can Proceed, Judge Rules [The New York Times] Prosecutors in Pennsylvania on Tuesday crossed their final hurdle to bring Bill Cosby to trial on charges that he drugged and sexually assaulted a woman he once mentored, with a judge ruling that enough evidence existed for the case to move forward. While Mr. Cosby is fighting numerous civil cases involving similar accusations, the ruling, by Judge Elizabeth A. McHugh, means that the once popular entertainer must face at least one of his accusers in a criminal proceeding, likely to take place here this year. [Previously.] [Previously.] [Previously.]
Yeah, he's nearly 79 and, even if found guilty, will almost certainly get at worst some form of house arrest. Look for him to suffer various medical ailments leading up to, during, and after the trial so his lawyers can plead with the judge not to send this frail old man to prison.
posted by Etrigan at 5:39 PM on May 25, 2016 [11 favorites]
posted by Etrigan at 5:39 PM on May 25, 2016 [11 favorites]
Look for him to suffer various medical ailments leading up to, during, and after the trial so his lawyers can plead with the judge not to send this frail old man to prison.
From the article: Mr. Cosby was helped from the courtroom by his aides without speaking further.
I've noticed that Mr. Cosby has been helped in this manner whenever he's entering or leaving a courtroom. I don't have any sources but it looks like he's lost some of his eyesight due to cataracts. Also, from a defense point of view, being helped in and out of cars and courtrooms in this way, also paints him as some kind of frail or tragic figure who should be sympathized with.
posted by Fizz at 5:42 PM on May 25, 2016
From the article: Mr. Cosby was helped from the courtroom by his aides without speaking further.
I've noticed that Mr. Cosby has been helped in this manner whenever he's entering or leaving a courtroom. I don't have any sources but it looks like he's lost some of his eyesight due to cataracts. Also, from a defense point of view, being helped in and out of cars and courtrooms in this way, also paints him as some kind of frail or tragic figure who should be sympathized with.
posted by Fizz at 5:42 PM on May 25, 2016
Also, from a defense point of view, being helped in and out of cars and courtrooms in this way, also paints him as some kind of frail or tragic figure who should be sympathized with.
It could really be evil of me to think this, but: a prosecutor could come back with "well, it could also point to why he turned to using drugs to overpower women, if he felt he didn't have the strength to use brute force."
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 5:52 PM on May 25, 2016 [5 favorites]
It could really be evil of me to think this, but: a prosecutor could come back with "well, it could also point to why he turned to using drugs to overpower women, if he felt he didn't have the strength to use brute force."
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 5:52 PM on May 25, 2016 [5 favorites]
The fact that he has to live through everything falling apart and the world realizing he's a monster is at least something. Better that he has to face some of this than for him to get through his whole life with no accountability at all.
Obviously, the real credit to bringing this to light goes to the women he assaulted who had the courage and resolve to step up and accuse him publicly. I don't want to diminish that in any way...but I gotta say, every time I see a headline about legal stuff going forward against Cosby, and every time I see him shunned in the public sphere, I keep thinking, "Thank God for Hannibal Buress."
posted by scaryblackdeath at 6:29 PM on May 25, 2016 [45 favorites]
Obviously, the real credit to bringing this to light goes to the women he assaulted who had the courage and resolve to step up and accuse him publicly. I don't want to diminish that in any way...but I gotta say, every time I see a headline about legal stuff going forward against Cosby, and every time I see him shunned in the public sphere, I keep thinking, "Thank God for Hannibal Buress."
posted by scaryblackdeath at 6:29 PM on May 25, 2016 [45 favorites]
Did Cosby's predatory behavior start before his son was murdered? I've wondered if he had some twisted rationalization about getting back at the world for taking his son from him. Obviously that couldn't be true if he was doing this kind of thing before his son's death. Can anyone enlighten me?
posted by haiku warrior at 6:45 PM on May 25, 2016
posted by haiku warrior at 6:45 PM on May 25, 2016
Did Cosby's predatory behavior start before his son was murdered?
The allegations go all the way back to B.C.
posted by srboisvert at 6:49 PM on May 25, 2016 [4 favorites]
The allegations go all the way back to B.C.
posted by srboisvert at 6:49 PM on May 25, 2016 [4 favorites]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Cosby_sexual_assault_allegations
posted by srboisvert at 6:50 PM on May 25, 2016
posted by srboisvert at 6:50 PM on May 25, 2016
The stories go back to before Ennis was born.
posted by cmfletcher at 6:50 PM on May 25, 2016 [4 favorites]
posted by cmfletcher at 6:50 PM on May 25, 2016 [4 favorites]
Catie L'Heureux: Bill Cosby Admitted to Abusing Women Years Ago, New Evidence Shows (cw: sexual assault)
posted by zombieflanders at 7:09 PM on May 25, 2016
posted by zombieflanders at 7:09 PM on May 25, 2016
every time I see him shunned in the public sphere, I keep thinking, "Thank God for Hannibal Buress."
Similar praise needs to go to Philadelphia Magazine. They did the yeoman's work on the Bill Cosby sexual assault allegations for years before any national publication paid attention. In addition, they uploaded the Hannibal Buress clip about Cosby that went viral, which was recorded before a Philadelphia crowd. There's a lot of people in Cosby's own backyard who've wanted to see him taken down a few notches.
posted by jonp72 at 7:31 PM on May 25, 2016 [25 favorites]
Similar praise needs to go to Philadelphia Magazine. They did the yeoman's work on the Bill Cosby sexual assault allegations for years before any national publication paid attention. In addition, they uploaded the Hannibal Buress clip about Cosby that went viral, which was recorded before a Philadelphia crowd. There's a lot of people in Cosby's own backyard who've wanted to see him taken down a few notches.
posted by jonp72 at 7:31 PM on May 25, 2016 [25 favorites]
Tina Fey is also from the Philly suburbs, and there is evidence she may have slipped in a reference to Bill Cosby's assaultive behavior in a 30 Rock episode from 2009. I remember Tina Fey coming down really hard on Cosby when she co-hosted the Golden Globes with Amy Poehler. I suspect Fey might have known about it if enough people in the Philadelphia area knew about it.
posted by jonp72 at 7:35 PM on May 25, 2016 [4 favorites]
posted by jonp72 at 7:35 PM on May 25, 2016 [4 favorites]
Did Cosby's predatory behavior start before his son was murdered? I've wondered if he had some twisted rationalization about getting back at the world for taking his son from him. Obviously that couldn't be true if he was doing this kind of thing before his son's death. Can anyone enlighten me?
Ennis Cosby was murdered in 1997. The earliest known sexual assault allegation about Bill Cosby is about an incident in 1965 that took place in Cosby's own home while his infant daughter Erika was sleeping in the next room (cite). Cosby's son Ennis hadn't even been born yet.
posted by jonp72 at 7:43 PM on May 25, 2016 [7 favorites]
Ennis Cosby was murdered in 1997. The earliest known sexual assault allegation about Bill Cosby is about an incident in 1965 that took place in Cosby's own home while his infant daughter Erika was sleeping in the next room (cite). Cosby's son Ennis hadn't even been born yet.
posted by jonp72 at 7:43 PM on May 25, 2016 [7 favorites]
Man, I was going through old CDs this week and was pained to see this asshole's face on some comedy CDs we got long ago. Not going to be re-selling them! Into the landfill.
Whatever the bastard gets won't be justice for all he's done. I just hate that some of our money helped him build his wealth.
posted by emjaybee at 9:01 PM on May 25, 2016 [4 favorites]
Whatever the bastard gets won't be justice for all he's done. I just hate that some of our money helped him build his wealth.
posted by emjaybee at 9:01 PM on May 25, 2016 [4 favorites]
None of us knew any better.
posted by rhizome at 9:42 PM on May 25, 2016 [2 favorites]
posted by rhizome at 9:42 PM on May 25, 2016 [2 favorites]
The fact that he has to live through everything falling apart and the world realizing he's a monster is at least something.
In the twilight of his life, too. I'm sad that he isn't held accountable for more, but the fact that he's living his last years watching his reputation fall apart and also spending significant amounts of time doing things that he absolutely does not want to do is... something. It doesn't compare to the crimes, but he won't be spending his remaining days dodging questions and hiding behind his money.
posted by SpacemanStix at 10:15 PM on May 25, 2016 [3 favorites]
In the twilight of his life, too. I'm sad that he isn't held accountable for more, but the fact that he's living his last years watching his reputation fall apart and also spending significant amounts of time doing things that he absolutely does not want to do is... something. It doesn't compare to the crimes, but he won't be spending his remaining days dodging questions and hiding behind his money.
posted by SpacemanStix at 10:15 PM on May 25, 2016 [3 favorites]
He's, uh, too old and weak to slip paralyzing drugs into women's drinks, your honor.
posted by benzenedream at 11:01 PM on May 25, 2016 [1 favorite]
posted by benzenedream at 11:01 PM on May 25, 2016 [1 favorite]
Sheldon Silver is just a few years younger, IIRC, and he got sentenced to 12 years for corruption charges, so I see no reason, a convicted rapist shouldn't go to prison. If he dies there, well, they say Don't do the crime, if you can't do the time...
posted by mikelieman at 11:11 PM on May 25, 2016 [1 favorite]
posted by mikelieman at 11:11 PM on May 25, 2016 [1 favorite]
Everything I need to know about Bill Cosby was revealed in his testimony in the 2005-06 Constand lawsuit. It's not even the fact that he admits to giving women quaaludes; it's his detached amusement and indifference to the pain and damage he caused, like he's entertaining you with what he thinks are some funny stories. Even if we assume there was consent (I do NOT), at the least that means he's cheated on his wife for decades, and he never expresses remorse or regret for his actions, or a thought to what his wife or all those other women were going through. He lacks empathy and readily admits to abusive behavior, as long as it allows him to skirt the line of sexual assault laws. Everything makes sense, when you listen to what Cosby is saying when he's in court- what he says about other people, about consent, and about his recounting of the rapes he committed.
posted by krinklyfig at 4:11 AM on May 26, 2016 [3 favorites]
posted by krinklyfig at 4:11 AM on May 26, 2016 [3 favorites]
Look for him to suffer various medical ailments leading up to, during, and after the trial so his lawyers can plead with the judge not to send this frail old man to prison.
I'm not defending what he did, or saying he should go unpunished, but if the medical conditions are real, they should be a sentencing consideration. I have some medical conditions myself, and if i were to be sent to prison for even a year, I doubt that I would survive. If you think his crimes justify a death sentence, that's one position. I don't think death sentences are justified.
posted by Kirth Gerson at 4:40 AM on May 26, 2016
I'm not defending what he did, or saying he should go unpunished, but if the medical conditions are real, they should be a sentencing consideration. I have some medical conditions myself, and if i were to be sent to prison for even a year, I doubt that I would survive. If you think his crimes justify a death sentence, that's one position. I don't think death sentences are justified.
posted by Kirth Gerson at 4:40 AM on May 26, 2016
No convicted rapist should be spared many years in prison. With that said, a frail old man doesn't have to be in a maximum security facility, and maybe the prison-nurses will remember to give him his meds regularly enough that he doesn't have complications from underdosing.
There's no scheduled execution. I don't think of it as a death sentence. Hey, if he was tried and convicted the FIRST COMPLAINT, he might have already served his time and been released... So, if he dies while serving his time... Thems the breaks.
I wouldn't and I can't imaging the victims would feel Justice is done otherwise.
posted by mikelieman at 5:22 AM on May 26, 2016 [4 favorites]
There's no scheduled execution. I don't think of it as a death sentence. Hey, if he was tried and convicted the FIRST COMPLAINT, he might have already served his time and been released... So, if he dies while serving his time... Thems the breaks.
I wouldn't and I can't imaging the victims would feel Justice is done otherwise.
posted by mikelieman at 5:22 AM on May 26, 2016 [4 favorites]
I look forward to him losing as much of his reputation as there is left to lose and being as forgotten as possible, except as a figure in cautionary tales about rape culture, listening to survivors, etc. Goodbye, you shitstain, and don't let the door hit you in your worthless rapist ass on the way out.
posted by theatro at 5:37 AM on May 26, 2016 [1 favorite]
posted by theatro at 5:37 AM on May 26, 2016 [1 favorite]
I'm not defending what he did, or saying he should go unpunished, but if the medical conditions are real, they should be a sentencing consideration.
He was touring a year ago. Yes, older people's physical conditions can change quickly, but he's patently playing up how frail he is because he knows damn well he's going to be found guilty.
If you think his crimes justify a death sentence, that's one position. I don't think death sentences are justified.
Wow. That is the most disingenuous possible reading of what I said. I am impressed.
posted by Etrigan at 5:57 AM on May 26, 2016 [4 favorites]
He was touring a year ago. Yes, older people's physical conditions can change quickly, but he's patently playing up how frail he is because he knows damn well he's going to be found guilty.
If you think his crimes justify a death sentence, that's one position. I don't think death sentences are justified.
Wow. That is the most disingenuous possible reading of what I said. I am impressed.
posted by Etrigan at 5:57 AM on May 26, 2016 [4 favorites]
I met him once in 2013 before the allegations had broadly surfaced.
It was at LAX, and I was checking his ID. He had something weird with his eyes, like he had cataracts or something. He asked me my name and then put out his hand to shake after he introduced myself. I was wearing gloves (checking IDs that were often just in someone's mouth? You'd wear gloves too) and I took off my right one to shake his hand. My hand was really sweaty from the glove, but he didn't say anything about it.
He didn't seem all there and had a handler (typical of celebs at LAX), so I didn't think much of it.
Mainly I was annoyed because I didn't want to shake his hand and only did it out of politeness and I was down one glove when I usually carried a spare pair with me.
posted by Monday at 6:14 AM on May 26, 2016 [1 favorite]
It was at LAX, and I was checking his ID. He had something weird with his eyes, like he had cataracts or something. He asked me my name and then put out his hand to shake after he introduced myself. I was wearing gloves (checking IDs that were often just in someone's mouth? You'd wear gloves too) and I took off my right one to shake his hand. My hand was really sweaty from the glove, but he didn't say anything about it.
He didn't seem all there and had a handler (typical of celebs at LAX), so I didn't think much of it.
Mainly I was annoyed because I didn't want to shake his hand and only did it out of politeness and I was down one glove when I usually carried a spare pair with me.
posted by Monday at 6:14 AM on May 26, 2016 [1 favorite]
Man, I was going through old CDs this week and was pained to see this asshole's face on some comedy CDs we got long ago.
I'm so glad I burned through (and greatly enjoyed) my DVDs of the collected Electric Company before all this came out. I can't bear to even look at the cover, now. Maybe one day there will be another DVD collection, 'The Electric Company Complete Collection Except For, You Know, That Guy'.
posted by Capt. Renault at 6:29 AM on May 26, 2016 [4 favorites]
I'm so glad I burned through (and greatly enjoyed) my DVDs of the collected Electric Company before all this came out. I can't bear to even look at the cover, now. Maybe one day there will be another DVD collection, 'The Electric Company Complete Collection Except For, You Know, That Guy'.
posted by Capt. Renault at 6:29 AM on May 26, 2016 [4 favorites]
That is the most disingenuous possible reading of what I said.
You appeared to be discounting any consideration of his possible medical conditions during sentencing, maybe because you think they are not real. My comment about death sentences was predicated on the conditions being genuine. I am impressed with your defensiveness.
posted by Kirth Gerson at 6:31 AM on May 26, 2016
You appeared to be discounting any consideration of his possible medical conditions during sentencing, maybe because you think they are not real. My comment about death sentences was predicated on the conditions being genuine. I am impressed with your defensiveness.
posted by Kirth Gerson at 6:31 AM on May 26, 2016
My comment about death sentences was predicated on the conditions being genuine. I am impressed with your defensiveness.
With all due respect to your given condition, I think your ire is a bit misplaced.
What you are reading as "defensiveness" is, rather, marveling that you are categorizing a prison sentence as a "death sentence". Granted, for someone who genuinely is suffering from severe medical issues - such as yourself - that would indeed be the case. But there is enough evidence to suggest that Cosby is perhaps not quite so infirm as he appears, and is trying to appear more infirm than he actually is, precisely because he's looking for people such as yourself to treat him with more sympathy than he might deserve.
I would kindly suggest that rather than turning your ire on those of us here, that you perhaps extend it to Cosby, who is actually trying to exploit you by pretending to be like you just to get out of prison.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 6:54 AM on May 26, 2016 [8 favorites]
With all due respect to your given condition, I think your ire is a bit misplaced.
What you are reading as "defensiveness" is, rather, marveling that you are categorizing a prison sentence as a "death sentence". Granted, for someone who genuinely is suffering from severe medical issues - such as yourself - that would indeed be the case. But there is enough evidence to suggest that Cosby is perhaps not quite so infirm as he appears, and is trying to appear more infirm than he actually is, precisely because he's looking for people such as yourself to treat him with more sympathy than he might deserve.
I would kindly suggest that rather than turning your ire on those of us here, that you perhaps extend it to Cosby, who is actually trying to exploit you by pretending to be like you just to get out of prison.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 6:54 AM on May 26, 2016 [8 favorites]
I recall hearing an interview with Cosby's biographer, whose book—which completely ignored any issue of sexual misconduct—came out a matter of months before the legal troubles kicked into gear. At the time the biggest revelation from the book was the description of his eyesight problems and how they affected the way he conducted his live performances.
Last I heard there were no plans for a revised edition of the book.
posted by Flexagon at 7:00 AM on May 26, 2016
Last I heard there were no plans for a revised edition of the book.
posted by Flexagon at 7:00 AM on May 26, 2016
My comment about death sentences was predicated on the conditions being genuine.
Meanwhile, all his survivors are sentenced to a lifetime of having to bear the trauma he caused them. Maybe that's the more important thing to have in mind here, rather than Cosby's questionable level of frailty.
posted by Aya Hirano on the Astral Plane at 7:18 AM on May 26, 2016 [4 favorites]
Meanwhile, all his survivors are sentenced to a lifetime of having to bear the trauma he caused them. Maybe that's the more important thing to have in mind here, rather than Cosby's questionable level of frailty.
posted by Aya Hirano on the Astral Plane at 7:18 AM on May 26, 2016 [4 favorites]
If he doesn't die alone and in prison, he will most surely die alone and probably bankrupt... both morally and financially.
posted by prepmonkey at 8:50 AM on May 26, 2016
posted by prepmonkey at 8:50 AM on May 26, 2016
Granted, for someone who genuinely is suffering from severe medical issues - such as yourself - that would indeed be the case.
I kindly suggest you leave it to the judge to decide whether Cosby's claimed conditions are real. My reaction was to assertions that they are not, based on Stuff On The Internet, and that because that MUST MEAN he's faking, that he be sent to prison. I am operating on the assumption that a judge on the case is better-equipped to assess the truth of such things than are members of the public.
posted by Kirth Gerson at 9:22 AM on May 26, 2016
I kindly suggest you leave it to the judge to decide whether Cosby's claimed conditions are real. My reaction was to assertions that they are not, based on Stuff On The Internet, and that because that MUST MEAN he's faking, that he be sent to prison. I am operating on the assumption that a judge on the case is better-equipped to assess the truth of such things than are members of the public.
posted by Kirth Gerson at 9:22 AM on May 26, 2016
There really isn't any reason to discuss sentencing when there's a whole trial to get through first. It'll take a while to get there.
posted by agregoli at 9:36 AM on May 26, 2016 [2 favorites]
posted by agregoli at 9:36 AM on May 26, 2016 [2 favorites]
The man's reputation is at an all-time low after decades of being America's dad. A conviction will further validate the stories of the women who were ignored for decades, and further cement his true legacy as one of careless brutality to women. He will die without ever being able to take the narrative back from the dozens of people he harmed over the course of his life. Does justice really hinge on whether or not a 79 year old can physically survive prison?
posted by teponaztli at 9:36 AM on May 26, 2016
posted by teponaztli at 9:36 AM on May 26, 2016
I'm not saying that's all enough, just that neither is prison, and I feel a little weird about wanting an elderly person prove that they're not faking it.
posted by teponaztli at 9:44 AM on May 26, 2016
posted by teponaztli at 9:44 AM on May 26, 2016
Any defendant would have to prove they aren't faking a medical condition. Age has nothing to do with it.
posted by agregoli at 10:06 AM on May 26, 2016
posted by agregoli at 10:06 AM on May 26, 2016
Maybe the more appropriate inquiry would be "Where's the good?" More important than where Cosby spends his last years of life is some sort of official validation of the misery he's caused.
He's in chute, circling the drain, and the end of his days hovers within his grasp. I can't imagine anything more devastating than having to understand that my legacy is ashes, my loved ones shamed by what I have done. My life's work reduced to vilification in spite of whatever art it may have contained.
I have more mixed emotions regarding our prison system than I do about Cosby. In the company of a court filled with spectators as well as jurors, let him face his victims. Let him listen to what they have to say about his actions. As for his prison term, let it be according to the law. He is unrepentant, so let the sentences run end to end. Let him die in prison.
posted by mule98J at 11:43 AM on May 26, 2016 [1 favorite]
He's in chute, circling the drain, and the end of his days hovers within his grasp. I can't imagine anything more devastating than having to understand that my legacy is ashes, my loved ones shamed by what I have done. My life's work reduced to vilification in spite of whatever art it may have contained.
I have more mixed emotions regarding our prison system than I do about Cosby. In the company of a court filled with spectators as well as jurors, let him face his victims. Let him listen to what they have to say about his actions. As for his prison term, let it be according to the law. He is unrepentant, so let the sentences run end to end. Let him die in prison.
posted by mule98J at 11:43 AM on May 26, 2016 [1 favorite]
I can't imagine anything more devastating than having to understand that my legacy is ashes, my loved ones shamed by what I have done. My life's work reduced to vilification in spite of whatever art it may have contained.
I can. Doing that while locked in a prison cell...
posted by mikelieman at 12:05 PM on May 26, 2016 [7 favorites]
I can. Doing that while locked in a prison cell...
posted by mikelieman at 12:05 PM on May 26, 2016 [7 favorites]
If he was actually raping women DAILY then I don't think a death sentence is out of order.
posted by xammerboy at 9:01 AM on May 27, 2016
posted by xammerboy at 9:01 AM on May 27, 2016
I can't imagine anything more devastating than having to understand that my legacy is ashes, my loved ones shamed by what I have done. My life's work reduced to vilification in spite of whatever art it may have contained
You could say that about a ton of people who find themselves convicted and sentenced to prison.
posted by rhizome at 9:37 AM on May 27, 2016
You could say that about a ton of people who find themselves convicted and sentenced to prison.
posted by rhizome at 9:37 AM on May 27, 2016
I can't imagine anything more devastating than having to understand that my legacy is ashes, my loved ones shamed by what I have done. My life's work reduced to vilification in spite of whatever art it may have contained....
You could say that about a ton of people who find themselves convicted and sentenced to prison.
Yeah, that's just me, though. I have grown to treasure my family and what few friends remain to me. We old farts often get sentimental, you know. For purposes of disclosure I say now that I am not an unbiased prospect for jury duty in this case.
The judge orders him to listen to his victims, then sends him to prison for life. Either he realizes what he's done, or he clings to his fiction about how it was harmless fun.
In the first case, his days hold nothing for him but a vision of his life, wasted, his actions the cause of torment and pain, and all the awful ripples that spread from his deeds to his loved ones as a result. Repentance is between him and God, and I'm pretty sure God won't visit him in his cell to bring him comfort, so he'll just have to wait till he gets there to discuss it, and find out if he has to spend eternity up to his nose in burning shit, or what.
In the second case, he retreats into his hubris-lined fantasy, soon to be reduced to being merely another animal behind bars throwing shit at spectators.
Either way works for me. Most important is the stage where he has to face those people he hurt, and listen to any who want to come forward to tell him how he impacted their lives. I dunno, every time I write about this my fuckyeah meter starts to hum.
posted by mule98J at 1:10 PM on May 28, 2016
You could say that about a ton of people who find themselves convicted and sentenced to prison.
Yeah, that's just me, though. I have grown to treasure my family and what few friends remain to me. We old farts often get sentimental, you know. For purposes of disclosure I say now that I am not an unbiased prospect for jury duty in this case.
The judge orders him to listen to his victims, then sends him to prison for life. Either he realizes what he's done, or he clings to his fiction about how it was harmless fun.
In the first case, his days hold nothing for him but a vision of his life, wasted, his actions the cause of torment and pain, and all the awful ripples that spread from his deeds to his loved ones as a result. Repentance is between him and God, and I'm pretty sure God won't visit him in his cell to bring him comfort, so he'll just have to wait till he gets there to discuss it, and find out if he has to spend eternity up to his nose in burning shit, or what.
In the second case, he retreats into his hubris-lined fantasy, soon to be reduced to being merely another animal behind bars throwing shit at spectators.
Either way works for me. Most important is the stage where he has to face those people he hurt, and listen to any who want to come forward to tell him how he impacted their lives. I dunno, every time I write about this my fuckyeah meter starts to hum.
posted by mule98J at 1:10 PM on May 28, 2016
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Fuck Bill Cosby.
posted by Fizz at 5:32 PM on May 25, 2016 [15 favorites]