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This trailer is so. so. much. I hope the movie is 50% as good as this trailer because then it will be the best Marvel movie ever.
posted by GuyZero at 3:31 PM on October 16 [17 favorites]


afrofuturism is rad as fuck
posted by dismas at 3:34 PM on October 16 [66 favorites]


I've got major Marvel burnout going on, but this looks amazing.
posted by Cat Pie Hurts at 3:42 PM on October 16 [1 favorite]


Between this and Thor:Ragnarok, Marvel really has my attention. Meanwhile, the Justice League looks fully nondescript. It's like they are trying to solving meh by piling on more meh.
posted by kandinski at 3:43 PM on October 16 [6 favorites]


Why does Michael B. Jordan look like a plucked chicken
posted by a car full of lions at 3:43 PM on October 16 [1 favorite]


to get to the other side of the universe!
posted by crysflame at 3:45 PM on October 16 [17 favorites]


Plucked chicken
posted by Nelson at 3:48 PM on October 16


Why does Michael B. Jordan look like a plucked chicken

It's scarification

What Do the Markings On Killmonger's Skin Mean In Black Panther?
posted by the man of twists and turns at 3:49 PM on October 16 [9 favorites]


AFROFUTURIST BLACK ROYALTY SIBLING DAB!!

Shuri is the best Disney Princess, all other princesses go home now
posted by nicebookrack at 3:50 PM on October 16 [8 favorites]


Thanks! I feel I have been ignorantly disrespectful to African cultures. Sorry, African cultures.
posted by a car full of lions at 3:51 PM on October 16 [1 favorite]


Excellent musical choices as well. Damn this looks good.
posted by GhostintheMachine at 4:00 PM on October 16


I am already sad that Killmonger is probably gonna
A)die like Marvel villains not named Loki
B)play sidekick/dragon to greedy white dude Ulysses Kla(w)ue
because Michael B. Jordan is too good, too beautiful, too charismatic for this oneshot villain world.

Please let him return as a franchise morally ambiguous antivillain. How many lesser men can pull off ritual scarification AND cute hipster glasses with such casual flair?
posted by nicebookrack at 4:02 PM on October 16 [10 favorites]


Did I hear correctly that Klaw was going to be in this? Don't think I saw him in this preview (and yeah, hoping Gil Scott-Heron makes it into the finished product's soundtrack).
posted by Rash at 4:03 PM on October 16 [2 favorites]


But why are they having a car chase in Korea?
posted by needled at 4:09 PM on October 16


I haven't been this anxious to see a movie since The Dark Knight. Can. Not. Wait.
posted by fuse theorem at 4:13 PM on October 16


While I worry that a February release date displays a certain lack of confidence (Deadpool notwithstanding, February is traditionally part of the "theatrical dumping grounds"), I'm so glad it's out sooner than this summer.
posted by Iris Gambol at 4:13 PM on October 16 [1 favorite]


This looks good. Took the opportunity to watch the "final extended justice league trailer". Looks like a hot mess.. Could be a good hot mess, but could be a bad hot mess. Y U no use CW Barry?

Y U no use John Stewart???
posted by mikelieman at 4:14 PM on October 16 [3 favorites]


February release date displays a certain lack of confidence

Orrrr, they wanted to release it during Black History Month.
posted by 23skidoo at 4:15 PM on October 16 [31 favorites]


(SLYT)

Help me out, that stands for So Lit something something?
posted by straight at 4:16 PM on October 16 [1 favorite]


So Lit, You'll Thank (me for posting)
or
Single Link YouTube
posted by cashlock at 4:18 PM on October 16 [2 favorites]


I thought the February release date was because Black History Month?

Anyway, the adorable T'Challa and Shuri moment made my heart grow three sizes, already I am deeply invested in this sibling relationship
posted by yasaman at 4:22 PM on October 16 [1 favorite]


Rash - Andy Serkis is reprising his role as Ulysses Klaue from Avengers II: Ultron Booglaoo. No he doesn't have the pink and purple outfit, but as we see in the trailer he does have a sonic cannon that comes out of his artificer left hand
posted by thecjm at 4:24 PM on October 16 [1 favorite]


Klaw is in the movie / trailer, yes.

For the Korea chase, South Korea was an important location in Age of Ultron, which also involved Ulysses Klaw and lots of Wakandan vibranium. But since the movies are kinda brushing over AOU happening at all, a South Korean location is just as logical as any other Exciting New On-Location area in Marvel movies. Or maybe Marvel is trying to make nice with Koreans annoyed by Seoul's griminess in AOU. Maybe Black Panther runs into White Fox!
posted by nicebookrack at 4:25 PM on October 16 [2 favorites]


Or does Marvel get topical for once and Black Panther is in South Korea to stop Klaw from selling Wakandan weapons to North Korea?
posted by thecjm at 4:28 PM on October 16


I honestly thought I couldn't be more hyped after the first trailer, but I was wrong!

HYPE
posted by Itaxpica at 4:30 PM on October 16 [2 favorites]


Not many things so full of pure joy as Black Twitter's hype about this movie.
posted by straight at 4:38 PM on October 16 [6 favorites]


Looks great. Why are so many movies good guy vs. bad guy with good-guy-like power (Iron Man/Iron Monger, Ant Man/Other Bug Guy, etc)? I suppose if we ever do get a Black Widow movie, she'll have to face-off against another assassin.
posted by kokaku at 4:39 PM on October 16


Why are so many movies good guy vs. bad guy with good-guy-like power (Iron Man/Iron Monger, Ant Man/Other Bug Guy, etc)?

Little known fact: Screenwriters require highly specialized nutrients to survive and thrive, and depriving them of even a single "We're no so different, you and I" villain monologue could cause sudden, painful death to even an otherwise healthy individual.
posted by Copronymus at 4:47 PM on October 16 [23 favorites]


SQUEEE!
posted by Faintdreams at 4:56 PM on October 16 [2 favorites]


straight, the #BlackPantherSoLit tag straight-up made me tear up a few times today, like this tweet.

I want this movie to be GREAT because its greatness will make so many people SO HAPPY!
posted by nicebookrack at 5:05 PM on October 16 [11 favorites]


I am already sad that Killmonger is probably gonna
A)die like Marvel villains not named Loki


Or Vulture, or Klaw (oh hey look there's Klaw), or Zola at least for the first film, or Batroc, or Justin Hammer, or Zemo. I'll grant a lot of those are secondary villains and really it's not like I want to see Hugo Weaving reprise his role as the Red Skull, but no, it's not just villains not named Loki.

Or Fisk or Mariah or Shades if we're counting Netflix (I realize we probably aren't).
posted by scaryblackdeath at 5:12 PM on October 16


Now that we know who you are... I know who I am. I'm not a mistake! It all makes sense. In a comic, you know how you can tell who the arch-villain's going to be? He's the exact opposite of the hero, and most time's they're friends, like you and me. I should've known way back when. You know why, David? Because of the kids. They called me Mr. Glass. --- Unbreakable.

Copronymus: there are two kinds of arch-nemeses: the "Player on the Other Side" who is the hero-gone-bad. Say, for example, Venom vs Spider-Man, the Abomination vs the Hulk, Sinestro vs Green Lantern. In a way, this gives the writer a chance to touch on the elements of the hero that make him or her dangerous, without actually sullying the hero.

Then there's the arch-nemesis who challenges the hero's sense of mission or identity. So, the Batman, who never kills, is paired off against the Joker, who will never stop. Superman, who obeys the rules, vs Lex Luthor, who places himself above them. This enemy is never one of might vs might, but an inner struggle of morality staged within the hero.

You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain. --- Dark Knight.
posted by SPrintF at 5:14 PM on October 16 [6 favorites]


That looks awesome! Does anyone know if the story havs any relation to the Ta-Nehisi Coates run at the helm of the comic (which was excellent)?
posted by jwest at 5:18 PM on October 16


Y U no use John Stewart???

I guess the Ryan Reynolds GL movie left such a bad taste in WB's mouth that they won't even try to use any GL, but you're right. Using Stewart is a no-brainer. Thanks to the hugely popular Justice League cartoons, an entire generation was raised with Stewart as the Green Lantern. WB is missing a golden opportunity by not including him in the upcoming JL movie.
posted by Sangermaine at 5:19 PM on October 16 [3 favorites]


jwest: IMDB lists Florence Kasumba as playing Ayo, who is a major character in Coates's Black Panther and Black Panther: World of Wakanda. So there's that small shoutout, at least.
posted by nicebookrack at 5:32 PM on October 16 [2 favorites]


Kasumba / Ayo was also in Captain America: Civil War as T'Challa's security chief who memorably tells Black Widow to step the fuck off.
posted by nicebookrack at 5:42 PM on October 16 [4 favorites]


(SLYT)

Help me out, that stands for So Lit something something?


So Lit - Ypipo Tears*

*Reactions to the initial teaser trailer from a couple months back
posted by 23skidoo at 6:01 PM on October 16


Looks great. Why are so many movies good guy vs. bad guy with good-guy-like power (Iron Man/Iron Monger, Ant Man/Other Bug Guy, etc)?

Your second sentence is what keeps me from being on board with the first. It seems that 85% of superhero movies feel the need for mirror-image villains, which is what makes 85% of superhero movies far more tedious than they should be.

To be honest, I did not know what MBJ's role was until this trailer (insofar as I knew anything about the plot, I reckoned Ulysses Klawe was the bad guy) and this has taken some of the anticipation away.
posted by ricochet biscuit at 6:12 PM on October 16


This looks so gorgeous and wonderful and I want it.

I am not really that on board with the Marvel Cinematic Universe (although if Thor: Ragnarok makes me sad, we're done here) but this gives me so much hope. Even if it descends into the usual "let's go save the world" in the end, it looks like a glorious ride getting there. I'm into it.
posted by darksong at 6:21 PM on October 16


HOLY HELL YES
posted by Caxton1476 at 6:27 PM on October 16


Is this the most attractive movie cast of all time? Because this is a crazy collection of incredibly good looking people.
posted by Rora at 6:50 PM on October 16 [11 favorites]


Is this the most attractive movie cast of all time?
Angela Bassett in this headpiece says YES
posted by nicebookrack at 7:21 PM on October 16 [3 favorites]


This looks great. I've liked most of the Marvel films but before Guardians, they all looked so damn boring. I'm glad that they've finally started hiring some decent art directors and production designers.
posted by octothorpe at 7:23 PM on October 16


Fashionista just posted this fascinating interview with the BP costume designer, Ruth E. Carter, "the first African American to be nominated for an Academy Award in costume design — with two nominations, actually," discussing her design process. Whatever happens in the plot, this movie is going to be visually stunning.
posted by nicebookrack at 7:36 PM on October 16 [7 favorites]


That looks awesome! Does anyone know if the story havs any relation to the Ta-Nehisi Coates run at the helm of the comic (which was excellent)?

No relationship. Coates has been clear on Twitter that the movie team doesn’t need his help.
posted by wotsac at 7:57 PM on October 16 [1 favorite]


The trailer looks great, and I love hearing Gil-Scott Heron. But isn't using "The Revolution Will Not Be Televised" as soundtrack music an oxymoron?
posted by layceepee at 8:16 PM on October 16 [1 favorite]


Why are so many movies good guy vs. bad guy with good-guy-like power (Iron Man/Iron Monger, Ant Man/Other Bug Guy, etc)?

I think a large portion of this question has already been answered (the dark mirror explanation), but there's another part to it. In the comics the story, especially your character development, was crafted over years. With only a handful of exceptions, most of the heroes the movies deal with are like 50 or 60 years old!

So if you're making a movie AND you want it to be accessible, especially in markets where that year history has not penetrated (China, et al.) you've got to squirt decades worth of character development into 2 hours. In order to do that, you're going to need a relatively low overhead villain who you can sum up in a couple sentences. In both your cases you can sum the bad guy up as "He's greedy, completely amoral dude who sees stealing the hero's work (sorta - they kind of split Ant Man into two characters for this purpose) as the path to quick success and doesn't care (or maybe even enjoys) crushing anyone who gets in his way."

Obadiah Stane and Darren Cross are basically two dimensional and their super villain alter egos just a knock off of the hero because that's what you have room for.
posted by Kid Charlemagne at 8:18 PM on October 16 [3 favorites]


Killmonger

KILLMONGER sees a kill that is insufficiently monged. His eyes narrow.

KILLMONGER: Time to go to work.

This summer: Killmonger ... mongs kills
posted by Sebmojo at 8:30 PM on October 16 [11 favorites]


Why are so many movies good guy vs. bad guy with good-guy-like power

While I'm probably least excited about those shots of Black Panther fighting not-Black Panther, they look to me like bits from opening/early scenes of the movie. I think there's reason to hope the main conflicts will be more colorful (both visually and thematically).
posted by straight at 8:36 PM on October 16


Obadiah Stane and Darren Cross are basically two dimensional and their super villain alter egos just a knock off of the hero because that's what you have room for.

I can't find the comment now, but in one of the Reddit threads on the trailer today someone pointed to Kevin Feige saying exactly that when asked about it, that it's about streamlining the character development.
posted by jason_steakums at 8:42 PM on October 16


As a black dude, this film fills me so much hope.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 9:32 PM on October 16 [14 favorites]


Oh my god it looks so incredibly gorgeous. With this and Ragnarok, I'm back on the Marvel train. (Who am I kidding, I never left the Marvel train... Just pondered leaving at the Ultron station...)

Angela Bassett had amazing white hair in the teaser that came out a while back, and that made me SO SAD she never played Storm. Man, can you just see Strange Days-era Angela Bassett as Storm?
posted by lovecrafty at 9:40 PM on October 16 [15 favorites]


With all the time-hopping the X-movies do I'm still holding out for Angela Bassett as Future Badass Grandma (or Cool Auntie) Storm in a flash-forward.
posted by nicebookrack at 9:50 PM on October 16 [1 favorite]


@jason_steakums (and everyone else of course) from reddit /r/movies:

"Here's the source.

When talking about Doctor Strange:

You want to have characters that inhabit the same world when introducing a new world, a new mythology for lack of a better term. You want to explore that as much as you can.
When you're teaching an audience about sorcerers and that reality, and you're going to talk about the past anyway, and you're going to get into their history anyway, much better to tie-in your bad guy with that instead of laying all this groundwork of parallel dimensions and sorcery and say, by the way, a meteor hit on the other side of the world, it went under the water, and this evil thing developed. What does that have to do with magic? Nothing... That's not the way we've developed them up to this point."
posted by alchemist at 10:06 PM on October 16 [1 favorite]


I can't wait to see the cosplay and the toys and merchandise that come out from this.
posted by dorothyisunderwood at 10:10 PM on October 16 [3 favorites]


Seems way more relevant, with the 60's references, Black Panther as the title, and our current social situation than I would have expected. Nice!
posted by Windopaene at 10:21 PM on October 16 [1 favorite]


Are Fox News viewers pissed the Black Panther is black yet?
posted by PHINC at 11:33 PM on October 16 [3 favorites]


Man, that entire cast is just astoundingly good looking and the wardrobe work is really well done. They've done a nice job with the visual shorthand in building a believable culture just with the art direction alone—these glimpses seem to have a good coherence, and the high tech design looks genuinely influenced by the traditional art, though my eye is decidedly non-expert. My hat's off to whoever's been in charge of that work, and I will gladly go see this in the theatre; I want more Afro-futurism.

That the city is dusty, a bit worn, and also high tech and new looks amazing. It makes it feel extremely real, like the way European cities can marry medieval and modern side by side. This city has layers, just like a real one.
posted by los pantalones del muerte at 12:02 AM on October 17 [6 favorites]


I am here for Shuri. She was the one that created Falcon's wings. The designs were stolen, then stolen again by Tony Stark. But they were her design.
posted by 80 Cats in a Dog Suit at 3:54 AM on October 17 [5 favorites]


Are Fox News viewers pissed the Black Panther is black yet?

Somehow, I think FN will spin the title in a "Marvel supports domestic terrorists" way. But in a nice, brainless Fox and Friends way. Unless, of course, Marvel makes a big ad-buy on FN.
posted by Thorzdad at 5:52 AM on October 17


I'm surprised the right wing media isn't pooping itself over this yet. It's full of their triggers.
posted by zzazazz at 7:04 AM on October 17


We can move Crone Island to Wakanda, right?
posted by minsies at 7:39 AM on October 17 [4 favorites]


Why are so many movies good guy vs. bad guy with good-guy-like power

Another element to this is to demonstrate the character and motivations of the hero - here is someone of equal power, and they're using their power to hurt others and aggrandize themselves and their goals, not save people and elevate their community. Because while the superpowers and visual spectacle are the draw for a superhero movie, they're no damn fun without a colorful and relatable person to wear their underwear over their pants.
posted by Slap*Happy at 7:41 AM on October 17 [2 favorites]


I'm surprised the right wing media isn't pooping itself over this yet. It's full of their triggers.

I'm totally fine with leaving the haters outta this thread, there's enough of them in other places.

I commented above how this film fills me with hope as a black dude. Yet obviously it's just a trailer, we have no idea what's actually going on for sure. But that's the great thing about this trailer, if gives us a glimpse of a fantastic world, one that's immensely satisfying to merely look at on several levels. That's a helluva great foundation to start on.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 7:45 AM on October 17 [9 favorites]


This trailer was so fucking good.
posted by tobascodagama at 8:08 AM on October 17


I've enjoyed recent Marvel movies, especially Logon, but they do not manage much social commentary, maybe this one will fare better.

I'm hopeful that Bright might manage interesting things too.
posted by jeffburdges at 8:12 AM on October 17 [2 favorites]


I'm surprised the right wing media isn't pooping itself over this yet. It's full of their triggers.

Like all superhero movies it posits that violent conflict is the most fundamental way to resolve conflicts which is more important to the extreme right than anything else. Black people, white people, whatever, as long as the fundamental mode of interpersonal interaction is physical violence it's all good.
posted by GuyZero at 9:36 AM on October 17 [1 favorite]


Black Superheroes Matter: Why a 'Black Panther' Movie Is Revolutionary. Marvel's investment in a stand-alone movie for Wakanda's king signals a new era for black superheroes – and superhero movies at large
The novelist Chimamanda Ngochi Adiche talks about "the danger of a single story" – about Africa, about black brilliance, our humanity and the black experience for too long. There would never be a time when this movie's creation wouldn't mean something to black people in particular, and the inevitable backlash that this movie will receive for its celebration, existence and confidence in blackness will be a reminder that there are no new conversations, merely new opportunities to remind us of who we collectively are. Yet that won't matter because the people this movie will speak most deeply to – a rainbow-coalition cross-section of black comic book readers, African-American movie audiences, Boseman/Jordan/Bassett/N'yongo fans, black-culture connoisseurs and pop-culture nerds – will see something of themselves in this movie. They will also likely be both familiar and resistant to the disdain it will receive for merely existing. Like anything black in America, Black Panther will be politicized for being black, which is to say for being and for announcing itself as a having a right to be here and to be heard.

...

As a child in school, I rarely reached for the black or brown Crayola crayons in my superhero coloring books; I have a lifetime's worth of Halloweens where I weighed how often I could or should dress as the white superheroes. I couldn't find ones that looked like me both outside of and underneath the mask. An entire generation of children will now know that a black superhero, society, imagination and power can exist right alongside Peter Parker, Steve Rogers and Bruce Wayne. An entire generation of children will not know what it feels like to not see themselves reflected back on costume racks, coloring books or movie screens. We're at a pivotal time where these characters and stories are coming not out of permission or obligation, but necessity.
posted by homunculus at 11:34 AM on October 17 [3 favorites]


Notice how the only two white people on the new Black Panther poster are Bilbo and Gollum?

That's because they're the Tolkien white guys. (ba dum tsh)
(stolen from FB)
posted by fings at 12:06 PM on October 17 [23 favorites]


An entire generation of children will now know that a black superhero, society, imagination and power can exist right alongside Peter Parker, Steve Rogers and Bruce Wayne. An entire generation of children will not know what it feels like to not see themselves reflected back on costume racks, coloring books or movie screens.

Hell yeah. Like dorothyisunderwood, I can't wait to see the cosplay and toys and merchandising coming out of this.

A few weeks ago on This American Life, Neil Drumming talked about growing up as a little black boy who begged for a toy General Lee car from Dukes of Hazzard, because that was the coolest TV show and coolest toy on the block, even though the General Lee's proud Confederate flag spat in the face of black people. Little black kids deserve to have Black Panther and Afrofuturistic aesthetics of proud black excellence be the coolest movie and toys on the block.

Black cosplayers and black children at Halloween deserve to be able--instead of maybe picking the one black superhero in the sea of whiteness—to choose to dress up as T'Challa's Black Panther AND Shuri's Black Panther AND the fierce female Dora Milaje AND the elegant citizens of Wakanda AND Shuri the sparkly Disney princess of Wakanda AND T'Challa the sparkly Disney prince of Wakanda, AND AND AND. They deserve Black Panther and so much more.
posted by nicebookrack at 12:22 PM on October 17 [9 favorites]


Hang on hang on hang on.....

So, Wakanda is an out of the way bit of land covered by an advanced technology cloaking field and harbouring advanced technology that they choose not to share with outsiders...

Bad luck the Alt-Right, turns out Galt's Gulch is not quite what you were hoping for.
posted by Just this guy, y'know at 2:20 PM on October 17 [16 favorites]


MehtaFilter: trying to solving meh by piling on more meh
posted by kirkaracha at 7:36 PM on October 17


It's so wonderful that when Disney finally hands the keys to the Marvel toybox and a blank check to an African American director, writers, designers, and cast, they put together something so fresh, beautiful, and striking. I'm a long time comic book (and Black Panther) fan, but this is so far beyond anything I imagined a Black Panther Marvel movie could look like.

Man there's so much great talent you miss when you have to give most of the jobs to white guys. I'm still disappointed Netflix didn't let Iron Fist follow in the footsteps of Luke Cage, that they didn't get an Asian show runner and cast Asian actors in the lead roles, build it on actual Chinese culture or Chinese-American culture, or something more interesting than bland white corporate America.
posted by straight at 8:44 PM on October 18 [9 favorites]


...When you're teaching an audience about sorcerers and that reality, and you're going to talk about the past anyway, and you're going to get into their history anyway, much better to tie-in your bad guy with that..."

It also lets you teach the audience about both characters' powersets in about half the time. As the protagonist, let's say, is learning about their powers, much of what they learn will also be applicable to the antagonist's powers. Then where there are differences you can handle them in a couple lines of dialogue.

So we've learned in the first act how the Hulk is powerful but stupid? A character can explain in a line or two how the Abomination is basically the same, except more powerful and he remains intelligent when transformed. We already understand the hero's powerset so now we understand the villain's, and at the same time the differences raise the stakes for the protagonist. It's really economical.
posted by gauche at 7:34 AM on October 19 [1 favorite]


I am the most lackadaisical fan of comics ever, but I am super excited for this movie.
posted by desuetude at 7:47 AM on October 19


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