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October 12, 2018 11:56 AM Subscribe
On the heels of the In Dreams: Roy Orbison in Concert hologram tour currently underway in America, BASE Hologram has announced a 2019 Amy Winehouse hologram tour, featuring "digitally remastered arrangements of the British singer’s hits — including 'Rehab,' 'Back to Black' and 'Valerie' — with Winehouse’s hologram backed by a live band, singers and 'theatrical stagecraft,' according to BASE."
I just don't understand how watching a hologram of Amy Winehouse surrounded by living singers and dancers could make anyone feel anything except unutterable sadness. It just seems like it would only emphasise the tragedy of her absence and the suffering that caused it.
posted by howfar at 12:08 PM on October 12, 2018 [30 favorites]
posted by howfar at 12:08 PM on October 12, 2018 [30 favorites]
They can remember her for you wholesale.
posted by ActingTheGoat at 12:10 PM on October 12, 2018 [19 favorites]
posted by ActingTheGoat at 12:10 PM on October 12, 2018 [19 favorites]
Idoru.
posted by Thorzdad at 12:38 PM on October 12, 2018 [4 favorites]
posted by Thorzdad at 12:38 PM on October 12, 2018 [4 favorites]
rhizome: Ack, if they did this to Bowie... if it meant giving his (excellent) live band one last chance to tour the world and play those songs alongside the simulcra, it'd be worth it for their sake, but I don't think I could attend. Definitely, unreservedly agree that I'm happy for any fans of any entertainer who they give this treatment to who have a positive experience from it, and I'm not out to ruin anyone else's fun. But, I don't think it's for me.
Oddly enough, the idea of attending the Roy Orbison one appeals to me probably more than any other instance I've heard of this happening. Maybe that's because I was just a few years old when he died, and I began enjoying his music much later than that. There's a distance to it. For me, anyway, that makes a slight difference. Maybe that's why I feel ambivalent about the Orbison show but saddened and slightly sick to my stomach by the thought of them doing this to Amy Winehouse. I don't know.
No value judgement about any of this; it's not my place. Just personal reactions. I have no idea what popular opinion of this type of stuff is; I don't have a clue how people younger than me feel about it. So much of my enjoyment of a live show is feeling the "aura" of the musicians I love, being in the same general area as them, thinking, "They're here... I can't believe they're really here..."
Semi-related: I recently rewatched the "Michael Jackson" "live" "performance" of posthumous single Slave to the Rhythm - notwithstanding the fact that the song was bottom-shelf, seeing the hologram did nothing but make me want to cry (and not in a good way).
posted by kryptondog at 12:42 PM on October 12, 2018
Oddly enough, the idea of attending the Roy Orbison one appeals to me probably more than any other instance I've heard of this happening. Maybe that's because I was just a few years old when he died, and I began enjoying his music much later than that. There's a distance to it. For me, anyway, that makes a slight difference. Maybe that's why I feel ambivalent about the Orbison show but saddened and slightly sick to my stomach by the thought of them doing this to Amy Winehouse. I don't know.
No value judgement about any of this; it's not my place. Just personal reactions. I have no idea what popular opinion of this type of stuff is; I don't have a clue how people younger than me feel about it. So much of my enjoyment of a live show is feeling the "aura" of the musicians I love, being in the same general area as them, thinking, "They're here... I can't believe they're really here..."
Semi-related: I recently rewatched the "Michael Jackson" "live" "performance" of posthumous single Slave to the Rhythm - notwithstanding the fact that the song was bottom-shelf, seeing the hologram did nothing but make me want to cry (and not in a good way).
posted by kryptondog at 12:42 PM on October 12, 2018
if there was a Bowie one I probably wouldn't be so critical.
I saw Bowie during his Glass Spider Tour thirty years ago. Or more accurately, I watched him on the Big Screen at the Glass Spider Tour because even with floor seating in the stadium you couldn't actually see the man because he was too far away and people were in the way.
posted by srboisvert at 12:53 PM on October 12, 2018
I saw Bowie during his Glass Spider Tour thirty years ago. Or more accurately, I watched him on the Big Screen at the Glass Spider Tour because even with floor seating in the stadium you couldn't actually see the man because he was too far away and people were in the way.
posted by srboisvert at 12:53 PM on October 12, 2018
Wow I guessed/remembered right: Elvis: The Concert was 1998.
posted by rhizome at 1:01 PM on October 12, 2018
posted by rhizome at 1:01 PM on October 12, 2018
Could we just go ahead and found the First Latitudinarian Church of Celebrity Saints from Steel Beach? It's practically in place already.
posted by los pantalones del muerte at 1:43 PM on October 12, 2018 [1 favorite]
posted by los pantalones del muerte at 1:43 PM on October 12, 2018 [1 favorite]
I saw Amy in a tiny club in SF in April 2007. I cried for days when she died. So even just hearing about this makes me unspeakably sad. I couldn't imagine going to see it; it feels incredibly ghoulish.
posted by elsietheeel at 2:31 PM on October 12, 2018 [7 favorites]
posted by elsietheeel at 2:31 PM on October 12, 2018 [7 favorites]
I'm trying to figure out how I feel about this. The geek in me applauds the audacity of it, but it just feels... wrong somehow. Like, a violation of consent maybe? Do we know, or can we guess, how Orbison or Winehouse or (hypothetically) Bowie would feel about this kind of thing? I mean, maybe they'd be pleased and flattered, but what if they'd find it tawdry and disrespectful? Does it matter?
No judgments here, just mulling it over. It's something we'll (at least, I'll) need to come to terms with though because surely this isn't the last we'll hear of it.
posted by Two unicycles and some duct tape at 2:35 PM on October 12, 2018
No judgments here, just mulling it over. It's something we'll (at least, I'll) need to come to terms with though because surely this isn't the last we'll hear of it.
posted by Two unicycles and some duct tape at 2:35 PM on October 12, 2018
You can't libel the dead, so unless their posthumous trusts bring the hammer down on trademarks or something there's not a lot they could do about it. I'd imagine they'd be involved if it was going to happen for anybody famous enough to put onscreen anyway, though, so the issue would be moot for all except guerilla presentations.
posted by rhizome at 2:50 PM on October 12, 2018
posted by rhizome at 2:50 PM on October 12, 2018
Please, nobody tell Ulrich Haarbürste.
posted by jenkinsEar at 3:53 PM on October 12, 2018 [1 favorite]
posted by jenkinsEar at 3:53 PM on October 12, 2018 [1 favorite]
This is decidely not the future I signed up for.
posted by mwhybark at 4:20 PM on October 12, 2018 [2 favorites]
posted by mwhybark at 4:20 PM on October 12, 2018 [2 favorites]
Last night I had an elaborate dream prompted by this post. Gunther's people and the holoresurrectionists need to team up in their own zaibatsu so that we can more easily don gigantic suits of combat armor and destroy them in (in) corporate combat trials or else accept the commodification regime post passant in entirety. Last night I was thrashing around and woke my wife up and she asked me what my nightmare was about. I was not able to focus on her visually and was unsure who was asking so I said, "oh, nothing."
The first fucking thing i saw on FB this AM was the entirely unconvincing story about Ronnie's "convincingly lifelike" hologram (by the same tools) at his eponymous pestilential library. oops, presidential. I was vastly confused, and unhappy.
This is, I pinky swear, a true story that happened overnight.
posted by mwhybark at 4:30 PM on October 12, 2018 [1 favorite]
The first fucking thing i saw on FB this AM was the entirely unconvincing story about Ronnie's "convincingly lifelike" hologram (by the same tools) at his eponymous pestilential library. oops, presidential. I was vastly confused, and unhappy.
This is, I pinky swear, a true story that happened overnight.
posted by mwhybark at 4:30 PM on October 12, 2018 [1 favorite]
We know how Bowie feels. He asked Lynch not to use his voice in Twin Peaks s03. Now, was that to protect his legacy as an undead? Only his estate's administrators are legally entitled to tell us what they interpret his wishes to be.
posted by mwhybark at 4:32 PM on October 12, 2018 [2 favorites]
posted by mwhybark at 4:32 PM on October 12, 2018 [2 favorites]
I'm trying to figure out how I feel about this.
It means actually living artists will have to compete with a concert tour that benefits nobody but the corporate pigs behind this, Amy Winehouse's estate and a few work for hire musicians.
It'll suck up attention, time and money that could've otherwise be spent on musicians who are still alive to enjoy or need this.
It'll help take away one of the few ways in which musicians can still make a decent living.
posted by MartinWisse at 12:52 AM on October 13, 2018 [4 favorites]
It means actually living artists will have to compete with a concert tour that benefits nobody but the corporate pigs behind this, Amy Winehouse's estate and a few work for hire musicians.
It'll suck up attention, time and money that could've otherwise be spent on musicians who are still alive to enjoy or need this.
It'll help take away one of the few ways in which musicians can still make a decent living.
posted by MartinWisse at 12:52 AM on October 13, 2018 [4 favorites]
Blade Runner 2049 - Casino Hologram Fight Scene
posted by fearfulsymmetry at 1:36 AM on October 13, 2018 [1 favorite]
posted by fearfulsymmetry at 1:36 AM on October 13, 2018 [1 favorite]
This is a perfect fit for the current timeline.
posted by bonobothegreat at 3:46 PM on October 13, 2018
posted by bonobothegreat at 3:46 PM on October 13, 2018
Cyber-necromancy to make dead performers ghosts dance makes my skin crawl.
posted by Pirate-Bartender-Zombie-Monkey at 2:44 PM on October 14, 2018 [1 favorite]
posted by Pirate-Bartender-Zombie-Monkey at 2:44 PM on October 14, 2018 [1 favorite]
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posted by rhizome at 12:06 PM on October 12, 2018