When your head comes away from your neck, it's finished
October 31, 2020 5:40 AM   Subscribe

 
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posted by bouvin at 5:42 AM on October 31, 2020


I am both shaken, and stirred.
posted by chavenet at 5:43 AM on October 31, 2020 [62 favorites]


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I was never much of a Bond fan as a kid, I knew him from Highlander, Outland, The Untouchables. Probably my favorite role of his was as William of Baskerville in The Name of the Rose.
posted by hearthpig at 5:44 AM on October 31, 2020 [20 favorites]


[mods I have been around for some time but rarely FPP and am not up on tagging protocols specifically as may relate to events like this. Feel free to update as appropriate, thanks.]
posted by hearthpig at 5:47 AM on October 31, 2020


It was always my sincere hope, given the quality of the movies they both ended their careers on, that Connery and Gene Hackman might come out of retirement to do a kickass movie together that exemplified both of their careers. Sad to see it'll never happen. RIP.
posted by AlonzoMosleyFBI at 5:48 AM on October 31, 2020 [3 favorites]


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posted by tommasz at 5:54 AM on October 31, 2020


I've been looking over his career listing. Finding Forrester! What a great film, I had forgotten about it entirely.
posted by hearthpig at 5:54 AM on October 31, 2020 [2 favorites]




time bandits, the man who would be king, untouchables, a bridge too far...too many to name. oh, yeah - the target of an historic satire.

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posted by j_curiouser at 6:00 AM on October 31, 2020 [5 favorites]


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posted by valkane at 6:03 AM on October 31, 2020


Shad, shad newsh.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 6:04 AM on October 31, 2020 [24 favorites]


You're the man now, dog.
posted by schmod at 6:10 AM on October 31, 2020 [22 favorites]


dammit.
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posted by ElasticParrot at 6:13 AM on October 31, 2020


I can't remember how it ends, but your mother's a whore, Trebek!

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posted by deezil at 6:13 AM on October 31, 2020 [12 favorites]


Oh, no! Mr Bond! I did not expect you to die.
posted by flabdablet at 6:14 AM on October 31, 2020 [44 favorites]


"No, I don't do a Russian accent. You can damn well hire a submarine full of Scotsmen and make do."

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posted by The Bellman at 6:17 AM on October 31, 2020 [27 favorites]


"...it's OVER."
posted by Sand at 6:19 AM on October 31, 2020 [1 favorite]


Godspeed, Sir Sean.

Craigyferg called you the greatest Scot of all time, and that's good enough for me.
posted by Capt. Renault at 6:21 AM on October 31, 2020 [7 favorites]


“No more pings, Vasily”

(Nicked from Twitter, but too good to pass.)
posted by Major Clanger at 6:22 AM on October 31, 2020 [5 favorites]


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posted by Cardinal Fang at 6:22 AM on October 31, 2020




Was watching him on Time Bandits last night!

Here he is singing.
posted by bonobothegreat at 6:23 AM on October 31, 2020 [2 favorites]




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Problematic man.

One of a kind actor.
posted by Faintdreams at 6:27 AM on October 31, 2020 [17 favorites]




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posted by jquinby at 6:32 AM on October 31, 2020


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posted by condour75 at 6:32 AM on October 31, 2020


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posted by sammyo at 6:32 AM on October 31, 2020


Thank you for Zardoz.

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posted by gwint at 6:33 AM on October 31, 2020 [17 favorites]


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posted by eclectist at 6:33 AM on October 31, 2020


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posted by dorkydancer at 6:34 AM on October 31, 2020


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The Gun is good. The Penis is evil.
He was amazing in Zardoz.
posted by MythMaker at 6:39 AM on October 31, 2020 [7 favorites]


No Mr Bond, I expect you to die!
posted by PenDevil at 6:40 AM on October 31, 2020 [1 favorite]


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posted by drworm at 6:42 AM on October 31, 2020


When I was a kid, I remember all the adult women talking about how sexy he was, which I didn't really understand at that age.

I don't know that he was the best Bond, but for me he is far and away the most iconic Bond.
posted by Dip Flash at 6:42 AM on October 31, 2020 [1 favorite]


Darby O'Gill and the Little People, aged 28? 29?
posted by heatherlogan at 6:43 AM on October 31, 2020 [10 favorites]


...and my worst fear realized, I mangled the title quote even after I checked it. I'd be grateful if a wandering Mod could fix, please.
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posted by jim in austin at 6:48 AM on October 31, 2020


Growing up with free access to a cinema, I saw most movies twice. The ones with Connery more than that. So unusually relaxed and captivating performance whenever he was on screen. That he was my dad’s favorite Actor helped Of course.
posted by Rabarberofficer at 6:51 AM on October 31, 2020 [1 favorite]


I'd say, in those days, he was a muscular actor.
With all the presence of someone like Cooper or Lancaster, but combined with a sly wit, to make him a formidable romantic lead. Closer in that respect to Cary Grant.....
posted by runincircles at 6:52 AM on October 31, 2020 [4 favorites]


What time does Sean Connery arrive at Wimbledon?

Tennish

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Godspeed 007!
posted by lalochezia at 6:53 AM on October 31, 2020 [15 favorites]


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posted by St. Oops at 6:53 AM on October 31, 2020


Currently trending on UK Twitter is the phrase "Resht in Peash". Which is exshellent.
posted by Paul Slade at 6:55 AM on October 31, 2020 [23 favorites]


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posted by Alensin at 7:06 AM on October 31, 2020


Sean Connery reads C.P. Cafavy's Ithaka...

"Keep Ithaka always in your mind.
Arriving there is what you’re destined for.
But don’t hurry the journey at all.
Better if it lasts for years,
so you’re old by the time you reach the island,
wealthy with all you’ve gained on the way,
not expecting Ithaka to make you rich."
posted by MonkeyToes at 7:09 AM on October 31, 2020 [14 favorites]


About 30 years ago a friend of mine was working in a silk screen shop. There was a feller there who did, in my friend's estimation, the single best Sean Connery impression he had ever heard. The thing is, though, he would only say the words 'meat tenderizer' in Connery's voice. That's it. Nothing else.
For me that has always been the perfect summation of Mr Connery's career.
A voice. A presence. A narrow path that worked out extremely well for him.

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posted by Phlegmco(tm) at 7:17 AM on October 31, 2020 [9 favorites]


I always have had a soft spot for Robin and Marion (1976), where Sean Connery and Audrey Hepburn play an aging Robin Hood and Lady Marion.

Also, people give Zardoz a lot of grief, but damn that was an imaginative movie. And the premise, the whole walled-off rich people society vs outside people left to fend for themselves…is where we appear to be headed now. Science fiction!
posted by jabah at 7:19 AM on October 31, 2020 [14 favorites]


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posted by Pouteria at 7:21 AM on October 31, 2020


I nearly stood up and cheered when Richard the Lionheart finally returned from the Crusades at the end of Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves and it was Sean Connery. (And then again at the end of Robin Hood: Men in Tights, when Richard the Lionheart shows up and is Patrick Stewart.)
posted by XMLicious at 7:24 AM on October 31, 2020 [12 favorites]


Sean Connery reads Peter and the Wolf (1965)

RIP
posted by xtian at 7:31 AM on October 31, 2020 [2 favorites]


motherfucker. some adolescent part of my brain was apparently convinced that he was in fact genuinely immortal. i know he was a nonagenarian but even so i never gave a moment's thought to him actually passing away.

re: zardoz, i really recommend watching it with the director's commentary (i mean, after you watch the movie without commentary because it is brilliant and demands to be seen twice).

there's this long sequence later on in the movie where connery (iirc still dressed in his inimitable bandolier-bikini) is in a giant crystal with several women from inside the 1%'s walled city. one of the women collects a bead of sweat from connery's barbarian chest with her finger, and then they all pass it around between each other, fascinated by its sheer animal power.

this scene lasts for a while, yo. the camera swirls from gauze-clad woman to gauze-clad woman. lights glint off of the facets of the giant crystal they're all in. they all moan orgasmically as one by one they touch connery's overwhelmingly masculine barbarian sweat. in the director's commentary, he's totally silent for the first two or three minutes of this sequence, then quietly chuckles and says:
maybe there's just too many ideas in this movie
posted by Reclusive Novelist Thomas Pynchon at 7:38 AM on October 31, 2020 [37 favorites]


I actually think Connery had a more effective acting range than he's given credit for. His accent tends to come to the fore regardless of the role, but he was perfectly capable of making adjustments. It's particularly noticeable in The Last Crusade, where he does such an unexpectedly great job playing a sort of nebbish, martinet professor that it gives me flashbacks to my childhood.

Underrated Connery film: Outland, a very 80s SF remake of High Noon, where Connery plays a in-over-his-head family man cop dealing with space drugs.
posted by selfnoise at 7:38 AM on October 31, 2020 [13 favorites]


Left an impact both on the film world and physically on the women in his life. I'm not mourning.
posted by seanmpuckett at 7:39 AM on October 31, 2020 [18 favorites]


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posted by dbiedny at 7:40 AM on October 31, 2020


We are watching The Last Crusade right now. He was an amazing actor.
posted by kimberussell at 7:42 AM on October 31, 2020 [1 favorite]


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posted by mule98J at 7:44 AM on October 31, 2020


One of a few disappointments in my younger years was when I picked Roger Moore as the best Bond because of that submarine car and oh, Bond in space... My father just tsk tsk'd me because Sean Connery was the only correct answer to that question. It took me a while to grow up and catch up to the older Bond films and come to appreciate Connery as a much better Bond. Such a pleasure in almost everything he was in.

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posted by zengargoyle at 7:45 AM on October 31, 2020 [2 favorites]


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posted by nzero at 8:01 AM on October 31, 2020


He will be mished.
posted by Snowflake at 8:05 AM on October 31, 2020 [3 favorites]


Connery's early movie Hell Drivers (1957) is available in full on YouTube. It's a genuinely good, and very angry, movie with a quite extraordinary cast - Connery, Patrick McGoohan, David McCallum and many others who went on to do strange things.
posted by thatwhichfalls at 8:06 AM on October 31, 2020 [3 favorites]


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posted by Dumsnill at 8:08 AM on October 31, 2020


One of the ones you somehow never thought would pass.

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posted by Going To Maine at 8:23 AM on October 31, 2020 [3 favorites]


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posted by Halloween Jack at 8:30 AM on October 31, 2020


As Harrison Ford's father....


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posted by infini at 8:34 AM on October 31, 2020 [1 favorite]


And Outland! Great job Sean!
posted by Meatbomb at 8:34 AM on October 31, 2020 [1 favorite]


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posted by May Kasahara at 8:43 AM on October 31, 2020


Agree hard on Outland. In general it seemed he was willing to take on a lot of genre parts that might have doomed a different actor from ever being taken seriously again, and yet it always felt he was taken at least seriously enough to continue getting serious roles.
posted by aspersioncast at 8:54 AM on October 31, 2020 [2 favorites]


as a friend used to say, "What would Bond do right now?" And then he'd fix another martini, light another cigarette and go off and pretend to fight evil.




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posted by philip-random at 9:03 AM on October 31, 2020


I always have had a soft spot for Robin and Marion...

This, too. What sad news to which to awaken. The one true Scotsman indeed.
posted by y2karl at 9:04 AM on October 31, 2020 [3 favorites]


Sean Connery was not only a perpetrator of domestic violence but a proudly unrepentant one.

I'm on my phone now, but it should be easy to Google video clips of interviews (yes, more than one) where he defended and encouraged the practice of beating women when they annoy you.
posted by splitpeasoup at 9:14 AM on October 31, 2020 [23 favorites]


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posted by Mister Moofoo at 9:15 AM on October 31, 2020


I will take this opportunity to mention a quirky film he appeared in at the end of the first 007 wave, a movie I caught wind of in elementary school, but didn't actually see until many years later. Teachers who saw it were talking about A Fine Madness but they wouldn't let us in on what they were giggling about. But now, you can get in on the secret -- look, there it is on YouTube, the whole thing. Be forewarned, it's a mess, very 1966...

"Good-bye, Mr. Bond."
posted by Rash at 9:16 AM on October 31, 2020 [2 favorites]


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The Bond movies were ok and Sean Connery didn't seem like a very enlightened soul (despite his Dickinsonian childhood) but one of my favorite movies in The Hunt for Red October. Super suspenseful and Connery is fantastic in it.
posted by bluesky43 at 9:20 AM on October 31, 2020 [5 favorites]


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I’m having a hard time deciding what might be the best drink to honor his memory. Is it the obvious Vodka Martini, shaken, not stirred? Or would he have preferred a single malt Scotch?

I can’t afford Dom Pérignon, so that’s right out.
posted by wabbittwax at 9:30 AM on October 31, 2020


Sean Connery on slapping women

"It depends entirely on the circumstances and if it merits it"
posted by Saxon Kane at 9:41 AM on October 31, 2020 [10 favorites]


Sometimes people are wrong about things.
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posted by BlackLeotardFront at 9:46 AM on October 31, 2020


I’d been expecting this for a while now, but it’s still shocking. So strange how these people you’ve never met become a part of your life.
posted by The Underpants Monster at 9:46 AM on October 31, 2020 [1 favorite]


The Hunt for Red October. Super suspenseful and Connery is fantastic in it.

As is that hairpiece he's wearing in it!
posted by hippybear at 9:50 AM on October 31, 2020 [1 favorite]


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Came in here for Zardoz content, was not disappointed.

> in the director's commentary, he's totally silent for the first two or three minutes of this sequence, then quietly chuckles and says: maybe there's just too many ideas in this movie

I too have watched the Zardoz director's commentary, and IIRC there's a scene (might be the same one you're talking about, it's been a while) where Boorman chuckles nervously and says something about how, watching it now, he can't believe his own hubris.

Nobody has mentioned The Hill, which I also haven't seen in a long time but remember being great, and Connery being great in it.
posted by The Card Cheat at 9:58 AM on October 31, 2020 [1 favorite]


Who will tell dog he's the man now now?
posted by heteronym at 10:02 AM on October 31, 2020 [5 favorites]


We are all the man now, dog
posted by wabbittwax at 10:08 AM on October 31, 2020 [6 favorites]


I think I have complex feelings about Sir Connery. as a kid I always watched James Bond movies with my dad, who taught me some very important lessons re: there is only one James Bond etc., and my dad looks a bit like Sean Connery and loved it if someone would remark on that. but then again I guess he wasn't a very nice guy (SC, not my dad) with regard to women etc.,

its sad for his family that he is gone, but he lived a long and pretty good life. I didn't think I would ever want to see Zardoz a second time (once was too much) but maybe....nah, I'll watch Highlander.


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posted by supermedusa at 10:10 AM on October 31, 2020 [1 favorite]


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posted by detachd at 10:14 AM on October 31, 2020


"No, I don't do a Russian accent. You can damn well hire a submarine full of Scotsmen and make do."

and yet, somehow in a movie set in SCOTLAND they cast a SCOT and have him play a Spaniard????? hmmm????
posted by supermedusa at 10:16 AM on October 31, 2020 [8 favorites]


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posted by nayantara at 10:19 AM on October 31, 2020


like most people from edinburgh he definitely delivered milk to my nana. also, maybe the most famous scot of all time? may he resht in peashe.
posted by iboxifoo at 10:22 AM on October 31, 2020


Hell no.
posted by Splunge at 10:34 AM on October 31, 2020


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First movie I remember seeing or at least associating with Connery was The Untouchables. "They pull a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue." Absolute classic.

I nearly stood up and cheered when Richard the Lionheart finally returned from the Crusades at the end of Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves and it was Sean Connery.

I saw this movie literally within hours of it being released (like the embargo came off on Friday and the local theatre rolled film at 12:01AM Friday) and between this cameo and an absolute masterful Alan Rickman in the role of the Sheriff plus Morgan Freeman as Azeem it was mind blowing and a rare could have been an excellent D&D movie We had a game that night and it was all that myself and another player who'd seen it could do to not spoil it for the rest of the guys.

maybe the most famous scot of all time?

Kind of sad that's probably true and not say James Watt. At least currently. Lets see if anyone remembers Connery 200 years from now.
posted by Mitheral at 10:35 AM on October 31, 2020 [3 favorites]


Nobody has mentioned The Hill, which I also haven't seen in a long time but remember being great, and Connery being great in it.

The Hill. Hitchcock's Marnie is also a good one from that period when he was doing stuff in between Bonds.

Now I'm thinking of doing FanFare posts for both of those.

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posted by Fukiyama at 10:37 AM on October 31, 2020


derail
rant

I agree that Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves has a lot going for it but it always drove me crazy that Sean Connery played Richard I. he was 43 when he died!!

/end rant
/derail

posted by supermedusa at 10:41 AM on October 31, 2020 [1 favorite]


He was a decent actor, but a violent, abusive misogynist. No . for him.
posted by acb at 10:42 AM on October 31, 2020 [12 favorites]



and yet, somehow in a movie set in SCOTLAND they cast a SCOT and have him play a Spaniard????? hmmm????


And his Scottish protege had a Belgian accent and the man who killed him (in the 17th century) had a modern american one. Immortality wasn't the only thing you had to suspend your disbelief for in that movie.

I loved it.
posted by klanawa at 10:54 AM on October 31, 2020 [4 favorites]




Absolutely, kokaku.
posted by kingless at 11:06 AM on October 31, 2020 [2 favorites]


Ninety years is a hell of a run.
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posted by Gray Duck at 11:21 AM on October 31, 2020


Great Scot!
posted by Too-Ticky at 11:40 AM on October 31, 2020


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Are we sure he's not just in the throes of a diabetic coma?
posted by bartleby at 11:40 AM on October 31, 2020 [2 favorites]


Raisuli: It's been a bad year. Next one will probably be worse. :’(
posted by TWinbrook8 at 12:08 PM on October 31, 2020


Connery always delivered more than the scriptwriters deserved. As an actor, he never disappointed. Noone could have done 'Forrester' or 'Henry Jones' better - noone.
posted by Twang at 12:18 PM on October 31, 2020 [1 favorite]


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posted by pt68 at 12:21 PM on October 31, 2020


apparently it was his idea to

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show up again at the end of Time Bandits, making for not one but two surprise entrances in that movie.

I guess he'd seen an early cut and thought that the end was too much of a downer, the little kid watching his parents explode after touching concentrated evil (even if they deserved it). So he suggested to Terry Gilliam that his King Agamemnon character should magically reappear, except now he was a fireman. Nice touch.
posted by philip-random at 12:24 PM on October 31, 2020 [6 favorites]


What philip-random said and RIP, you gigantic on-screen presence, you!
posted by Lynsey at 12:27 PM on October 31, 2020


I always have had a soft spot for Robin and Marion (1976), where Sean Connery and Audrey Hepburn play an aging Robin Hood and Lady Marion.

It’s the Goldman script that makes it work. Robin returns from many years in the Crusades. Marian has become a nun and is furious with him for vanishing for most of their lives.

Marian: “You never wrote!”

Robin: “I don’t know how!”
posted by ricochet biscuit at 12:29 PM on October 31, 2020 [14 favorites]


I had a terrible boyfriend once who, despite his many other faults, could reliably reduce me to helpless laughter with his impeccable Sean Connery impression. It was the only impression he did and it was perfect.

It turned out not to be enough to build a healthy relationship on (imagine that) but I still smile when I think about it.

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posted by /\/\/\/ at 1:33 PM on October 31, 2020


Auric Goldfinger: "No Mr Bond, I expect you to die!"

[decades pass]

Sean Connery (from beyond the grave): "As you can see, I did. Eventually. Satisfied?"
posted by Stoneshop at 1:41 PM on October 31, 2020 [3 favorites]


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posted by evilDoug at 1:42 PM on October 31, 2020


We are all the man now, dog

Yes. Yes we are.

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posted by stannate at 2:42 PM on October 31, 2020 [1 favorite]


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posted by AugustWest at 3:23 PM on October 31, 2020


and yet, somehow in a movie set in SCOTLAND they cast a SCOT and have him play a Spaniard????? hmmm????

Ramirez was Egyptian.

also:

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posted by JohnFromGR at 3:33 PM on October 31, 2020 [5 favorites]


Ramirez was Egyptian.

You can tell by the accent.
posted by kirkaracha at 3:38 PM on October 31, 2020 [5 favorites]


My favourite Connery scene, from The Great Train Robbery. Every line delivered with not so much as a wink and a nod, but a 'DO YOU GET IT?!?' Yes, Sean, we get it. It's all as subtle as the locomotive on the train you're about to rob.

Connery turned up to eleven. And it's fantastic.
posted by Capt. Renault at 4:17 PM on October 31, 2020 [3 favorites]


Born in Egypt, married in Japan, serving in the Spanish court, obviously all those accents make him sound like a native Scot.

The only other film that might stand next to Zardoz for sheer huh? factor is, Wrong is Right (trailer)[SLYT], which I very mixed feeling about. The cast is stellar, the script is not, and Connery has at least one moment of self-deprecation which would be more humanizing for me if I had not found out later in life just what a unpleasant and unkind man he could be.

My condolences to his family and friends.

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posted by Ignorantsavage at 5:12 PM on October 31, 2020


One maybe wouldn't recommend 'The Man Who Would be King' (1975) for some dated attitudes, even for a 70s movie that throws back into the 50s-style adventure movies, but it's something...

I'm on team Zardoz, what some might see as bugs are swell features, the oddball characters in the story are meant to be annoying, the unique art direction rules it's own universe, it's pure genius.
posted by ovvl at 5:28 PM on October 31, 2020


Wow, Wrong is Right looks like... somethin'. Some real 70s business goin on there.

I love seeing Leslie Nielsen in dramatic (ahem) roles, because, of course, I first saw him in Airplane and Police Squad. He plays a real dipshit psycho in Day of the Animals (70s sensibilities content warning), and it's something to see.
posted by Saxon Kane at 5:45 PM on October 31, 2020


My favorites: In 'The Great Train Robbery' he is paired with an excellent sidekick in Donald Sutherland; then with Michael Caine in 'The Man who would be King'.
posted by TDIpod at 5:48 PM on October 31, 2020 [2 favorites]


Wow, Wrong is Right looks like... somethin'. Some real 70s business goin on there.

it's a mess but it does have one of my favorite lines during the lead-in to a TV newscast. "And now World War Three, but first a word from our sponsors."
posted by philip-random at 5:57 PM on October 31, 2020


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posted by porpoise at 6:15 PM on October 31, 2020


Not a moment too soon. Cordially hope he rots in hell. I bet the women he abused are celebrating and I am with them. :)
posted by MiraK at 7:52 PM on October 31, 2020 [2 favorites]


I can come to Canada. Could you possibly fix me up with a game of golf?” [theprovince.ca]
posted by porpoise at 8:04 PM on October 31, 2020 [1 favorite]


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posted by bryon at 9:21 PM on October 31, 2020


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I'm the child of a domestic abuser, but nonetheless feel some sadness at his passing.
posted by limeonaire at 10:19 PM on October 31, 2020


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posted by cenoxo at 10:36 PM on October 31, 2020


He advocated hitting women. I don’t like this eulogy stuff.
posted by Threff at 1:39 AM on November 1, 2020 [4 favorites]


He was a wife beater and said so and I'm not sad that he died.
posted by L.P. Hatecraft at 3:35 AM on November 1, 2020 [4 favorites]


[CW: Discussion of Violence Against Women]
Eulogy, literally true word(s). Though it has come to primarily refer to a speech of praise I would suggest that it should more in keeping with it's stricter meaning from the Ancient Greek.

Mr. Connery's flaws were vast and for many greater than his merits. I do not question that position. Yet his legacy is one that has complex associations for a large number of people and working those out is also complex. I do not think that the praise can ever outweigh the acts of violence and abuse he indulged in. To my knowledge he never reappraised his views. His acts and words have caused and contributed to trauma and pain. Not just to his victims but to those who felt emboldened by him. His art has had a salubrious effect on myself and others. To deny it would be false.

The flaw in believing that we should not speak ill of the dead or never give honest praise to the base and ignoble is that we create heroes or monsters rather than recognizing failures. We can learn from failures but fighting monsters can only succeed in pushing us to unsustainable limits. I hope that not all praise is seen as eliding the approbation he earned by his choices in life.

For many of us his attitude about hitting women to put them in their place was something that we heard from some men, often family, as we were growing up. There are still men who feel this way. It is a thing that men must resist and decry and that women should never suffer. There is no defense of it and the stain should remain so long as there is memory of him.

One's talent can never redeem one's failure to behave in a humane manner. Yet for a great span of time his attitude was acceptable and essentially non-controversial. It is not a defense but a context to keep in mind when I say his art mattered to people who would never have agreed with him. It was just something that had to be tolerated if it was even known. If you did not read things like Vanity Fair or watch the interviews when they aired the odds are you would never have heard about his temper or his willingness to hit women. So unknowing, many of us watched films that we enjoyed and formed some of the comfort in our lives. Certainly James Bond was a chauvinist and a cad but it was a male fantasy. It was charming escapist fare. He was charismatic on film. He was funny and warm and seemd like a good guy in a lot of roles. Or perfect bastard in others. He had a flair and a brogue that became like an old sweater. We watched and enjoyed and formed impressions and views that favored him.

We mourn the things and people we care about. We learned to care about the image of a man without knowing him as a whole. Mourning the pieces is not mourning the whole. Still the sting is there and the memory can not be given up as easily as we might wish.

To mourn a one whose flaws are vast can be a hard thing. It is easy to dismiss someone you have only ever known as a brute. It is harder to find a part of a human that you love and then find out that what you love exists amongst a field of parts you can not stand.

Prehaps we need a ritual that allows us to acknowledge the flaws before the praise or maybe the praise before the flaws. But not having such a formula we are left with the scattershot.

I love Der Ring des Nibelungen, yet I agree with W.H. Auden that Wagner may well have been the greatest artist who ever lived but he was also, "an absolute shit". I do not believe that Sean Connery was among the great actors of the age and I do not know if he was an absolute shit, but the admixture is similar if not the same.

Tldr: Abuse without remorse is unforgivable. We did not know. We enjoyed and connected with a false image. We mourn that image not the abuser.
posted by Ignorantsavage at 4:16 AM on November 1, 2020 [10 favorites]


Ignorantsavage: To my knowledge he never reappraised his views.

He did. Not that that magically makes everything right; it does not. But at least he followed up his toxic message (and actions) with a healthier one.
posted by Too-Ticky at 4:35 AM on November 1, 2020 [4 favorites]


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posted by filtergik at 4:45 AM on November 1, 2020


I was an out of touch kid and have never seen a Bond movie. I knew and loved Sean Connery from the box office disaster The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen (which 12 year old me adored) and Dragonheart. I was just reading that he ended up hating Bond by the end, and it upset him that people would see him on the street and say, "That's James Bond!" Well, I actually never knew he played James Bond, and I think that's how he would've wanted it.
posted by brook horse at 6:47 AM on November 1, 2020


When your head comes away from your neck, it's finished

But is it though?

"These young eyes have seen nothing of the world yet."
posted by Pryde at 7:11 AM on November 1, 2020


> Prehaps we need a ritual that allows us to acknowledge the flaws before the praise or maybe the praise before the flaws.

No, we don't. No one of conscience can continue to focus on violent misogynists until the violent misogynist's victims have been given access to the healing, reparations, hearing, care, and justice they deserve. We live in a culture that not only enables and empowers violent misogynists, a culture that not only fails to bring violent misogynists to justice, but also a culture that erases victims completely from our consideration. Victims suffer both the affront of assault and the affront of our utter indifference to them in the aftermath. We throw victims in the trash and forget all about them, so focused are we all on how best to engage with their abuser, how to think of the abuser, how to eulogize the abuser, how to honor the abuser's good work, the abuser, the abuser, the abuser, the abuser, the abuser, the abuser, the abuser.

I wish we would let this abuser die unnoticed. It's the least we can do, having failed to bring him to justice. If this thread is to exist, I'd like to see his victims remembered instead of him. I'd like to see their potential untraumatized lives and works mourned instead of this asshole's death.

So let's remember: Diane Cilento, who was an actor, philanthropist, and the founder of an open-air theater in Australia. She wrote an autobiography called My Nine Lives. Died in 2011. How much more could she have accomplished and how much farther could she have gone in life if Sean Connery hadn't beaten the hell out of her throughout their 11 year marriage?

> We enjoyed and connected with a false image. We mourn that image not the abuser.

Why? The image is still alive, since it was always a figment of your imagination and your imagination still lives. If the image is all you're mourning, there is nothing to mourn.

Oh and FYI: "eulogy" = "eu" (good) + "logos" (words). To eulogize is to speak GOOD WORDS about someone. These are the roots of the word and this is what the word means. Please don't redefine things just because it's uncomfortable for you to acknowledge that you want to speak good words about violent misogynists like this guy.
posted by MiraK at 9:25 AM on November 1, 2020 [6 favorites]


TL;DR: Every moment we spend constructing elaborate justifications for continuing to focus on abusers is another moment in which we are once again choosing to forget and dishonor their victims. For shame.
posted by MiraK at 9:41 AM on November 1, 2020 [5 favorites]


“Goose-stepping morons such as yourself should try reading books instead of burning them “

RIP
posted by MorgansAmoebas at 9:53 AM on November 1, 2020 [2 favorites]


Mod note: Comment removed - it is absolutely ok to not be sorry this person is dead and explain your reasoning. It's less okay to tell other people how to feel or respond; it's ok to take a pass on this thread if you need to.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 10:06 AM on November 1, 2020 [7 favorites]




No one reads way down here, but I must ask: What will we do if RED NOVEMBER is warming up the caterpillar drive, ready to sail out of Polyarny inlet?
posted by Cranberry at 12:44 AM on November 2, 2020


There are so many interesting eras and roles in his career. Bond, of course, but how about a vague "adventure" threefer of The Wind And The Lion (playing a Moroccan sheik, of all things), The Man Who Would Be King, and Robin and Marian in 1975-1976? Russia House and Red October in 1990? A...British-German Western named "Shalako", which even I haven't seen, with Brigitte Bardot and Honor Blackman? Apparently it wasn't as good as the Spaghetti Westerns of the time.
posted by Ghostride The Whip at 12:50 AM on November 2, 2020 [2 favorites]


I don’t mourn him particularly for obvious reasons but this came to mind yesterday: 56 years ago, he played Bond for the third time, in Goldfinger. The iconic image from that movie is a nude Jill Masterson, painted gold by the baddies, so that she would suffocate (her skin being “unable to breathe”). Shirley Eaton played Masterson, and there is an urban legend that she had to have a patch of skin left unpainted to avoid suffering the same fate as the character. Indeed, more than a few seem to believe she developed complications from the paint and suffered an early death. (She retired from acting about five years later so she was not in the public eye as much.)

With Connery’s death, she has now outlived everyone else in the cast.
posted by ricochet biscuit at 5:42 AM on November 2, 2020 [9 favorites]


The first, and best, Zardoz.

RIP
posted by mazola at 7:27 AM on November 2, 2020 [1 favorite]


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posted by ahimsakid at 10:14 AM on November 2, 2020


Jason Connery has always struck me as a very decent chap whose relationship with his father has been a complicated one over the years, and I really feel for him right now.
posted by The Underpants Monster at 11:13 AM on November 2, 2020


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posted by cx at 2:31 PM on November 2, 2020


MiraK,

As to my etymology, I do apologize. I have long believe, "eu-," was a prefix that meant true due to a biology course textbook that provided that as a translation in relation to eukaryotic cells. It is clearly a misunderstanding that I have been operating under and I do apologize for not being more thorough in researching it. I assure you that there was no intent to deceive or hide discomfort.
posted by Ignorantsavage at 7:28 PM on November 2, 2020


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posted by Kevin Street at 10:44 PM on November 10, 2020


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