Why there's no 'Dijon' in Dijon mustard
August 22, 2022 12:52 PM Subscribe
Hands up if you have at least four different mustards in your pantry/fridge
Where my fellow mustardheads at
posted by Kitteh at 1:13 PM on August 22, 2022 [74 favorites]
Where my fellow mustardheads at
posted by Kitteh at 1:13 PM on August 22, 2022 [74 favorites]
Four? More like Eight.
Grey Poupon is the mustard of American hip hop artists? I missed that.
posted by JohnnyGunn at 1:24 PM on August 22, 2022
Grey Poupon is the mustard of American hip hop artists? I missed that.
posted by JohnnyGunn at 1:24 PM on August 22, 2022
We have five or six, at least three of them homemade.
Good article, I had no idea that Canada produced most of the world’s mustard seeds.
posted by the duck by the oboe at 1:33 PM on August 22, 2022 [1 favorite]
Good article, I had no idea that Canada produced most of the world’s mustard seeds.
posted by the duck by the oboe at 1:33 PM on August 22, 2022 [1 favorite]
Keen's Hot Mustard is quite excellent.. I have yet to find a better prepared mustard in the grocery store
posted by elkevelvet at 1:35 PM on August 22, 2022 [3 favorites]
posted by elkevelvet at 1:35 PM on August 22, 2022 [3 favorites]
I have no favorite. I love all mustard. Cheap ballpark, or whole grain French import.
posted by Czjewel at 1:37 PM on August 22, 2022 [10 favorites]
posted by Czjewel at 1:37 PM on August 22, 2022 [10 favorites]
My love affair with mustard seeds started when I was a wee lad. Must have been 8 or 9...and jelous of the little girls who got to wear charm bracelets. One charm favorite was a mustard seed suspended in a small glass ball. Still don't know how it's done...And yes, I realized I was attracted to boys even at that age.
posted by Czjewel at 1:42 PM on August 22, 2022 [6 favorites]
posted by Czjewel at 1:42 PM on August 22, 2022 [6 favorites]
Where my fellow mustardheads at
Ten. And those are the open ones!
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 1:44 PM on August 22, 2022 [3 favorites]
Ten. And those are the open ones!
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 1:44 PM on August 22, 2022 [3 favorites]
I had no idea that Canada produced most of the world’s mustard seeds.
And over 60% of all the mustard in the world is milled at a single plant in Hamilton, Ontario (G.S. Dunn, Est. 1867).
posted by fimbulvetr at 1:46 PM on August 22, 2022 [24 favorites]
And over 60% of all the mustard in the world is milled at a single plant in Hamilton, Ontario (G.S. Dunn, Est. 1867).
posted by fimbulvetr at 1:46 PM on August 22, 2022 [24 favorites]
My love affair with mustard began the second I saw that "REINE DES MOUTARDES" label. Holy crap.
(My mom's uncle Bernie had a small honey mustard sideline in the 80's for a spell, so I grew up with jars of "MOUTARDE DE BERNARD" in the fridge.)
posted by phooky at 1:49 PM on August 22, 2022 [6 favorites]
(My mom's uncle Bernie had a small honey mustard sideline in the 80's for a spell, so I grew up with jars of "MOUTARDE DE BERNARD" in the fridge.)
posted by phooky at 1:49 PM on August 22, 2022 [6 favorites]
I used to make my own. I’ve still got about a 3/4 pound of the black seeds and 1/4 pound of the yellow, which was the ratio I settled on for degree of hotness I wanted, but the blender hurts my ears now, and I don’t remember exactly when and how to add the vinegar to evoke and then stabilize the heat. I also made some using lemon juice which I liked a little better, but I never perfected those.
I made a number of really unsatisfactory batches of mustard back in the day, and my memory of those is interfering with the memory of how to do it right.
posted by jamjam at 1:50 PM on August 22, 2022 [1 favorite]
I made a number of really unsatisfactory batches of mustard back in the day, and my memory of those is interfering with the memory of how to do it right.
posted by jamjam at 1:50 PM on August 22, 2022 [1 favorite]
* Reaches out car window, grabs passenger in next car by the necktie, pulls *
DO...YOU...HAVE...ANY...GREY...POUPON?!!!!
posted by PlusDistance at 1:52 PM on August 22, 2022 [3 favorites]
DO...YOU...HAVE...ANY...GREY...POUPON?!!!!
posted by PlusDistance at 1:52 PM on August 22, 2022 [3 favorites]
Grey Poupon is the mustard of American hip hop artists? I missed that.
Grey Poupon is easy to rhyme with.
posted by Bee'sWing at 1:55 PM on August 22, 2022 [2 favorites]
Grey Poupon is easy to rhyme with.
posted by Bee'sWing at 1:55 PM on August 22, 2022 [2 favorites]
I think "...FUCKING..." should be in that line somewhere, given the setup.
posted by Windopaene at 1:56 PM on August 22, 2022 [1 favorite]
posted by Windopaene at 1:56 PM on August 22, 2022 [1 favorite]
Grey Poupon is the mustard of American hip hop artists?
I guess I'm not the only one who internalized the idea that Grey Poupon is what rich people have when I was young...
Grey Poupon is easy to rhyme with.
Got a fridge full'a Grey Poupon
It's expensive but I got a coupon
posted by mmoncur at 1:57 PM on August 22, 2022 [15 favorites]
I guess I'm not the only one who internalized the idea that Grey Poupon is what rich people have when I was young...
Grey Poupon is easy to rhyme with.
Got a fridge full'a Grey Poupon
It's expensive but I got a coupon
posted by mmoncur at 1:57 PM on August 22, 2022 [15 favorites]
Grey Poupon is the mustard of American hip hop artists
My brain initially parsed this as "Grey Poupon is the hip hop of American mustards" and I couldn't figure out what the heck that meant.
I still can't, but I think it's probably true.
posted by nickmark at 2:04 PM on August 22, 2022 [7 favorites]
My brain initially parsed this as "Grey Poupon is the hip hop of American mustards" and I couldn't figure out what the heck that meant.
I still can't, but I think it's probably true.
posted by nickmark at 2:04 PM on August 22, 2022 [7 favorites]
Good article, I had no idea that Canada produced most of the world’s mustard seeds.
Canada: Number one in lentils, oats, canola and mustard!
posted by ssg at 2:04 PM on August 22, 2022 [10 favorites]
Canada: Number one in lentils, oats, canola and mustard!
posted by ssg at 2:04 PM on August 22, 2022 [10 favorites]
Canada: Number one in lentils, oats, canola and mustard!
This was the revised lyrics I pitched to Parliament for the national anthem.
No word back yet.
posted by ricochet biscuit at 2:11 PM on August 22, 2022 [10 favorites]
This was the revised lyrics I pitched to Parliament for the national anthem.
No word back yet.
posted by ricochet biscuit at 2:11 PM on August 22, 2022 [10 favorites]
As French producers of Camembert learned in the '80s, it's nearly impossible to protect a product's geographic origin retroactively. But in the early 2000s, some mustard producers sought to take better advantage of the newly blossoming mustard seed industry and rekindle the notion of tying it to the local terroir. In 2009, they established an Indication Géographique Protégée (IGP) – a protected label similar to the AOP, but with fewer constraints. And while Dijon certainly gets more name recognition, it is this IGP – called Moutarde de Bourgogne – that actually means something: that the mustard is made in the Burgundy region with Burgundian seeds and Burgundian wine.
Interesting. I had no idea.
Keen's Hot Mustard is quite excellent.
It is!
Auran mild, hot, and extra hot mustard (it's a Finnish brand) are all very good. The mild one is really nice with smoked salmon or gravlax.
I keep Kozlik's Hot Garlic around for times when I want something on the kickier side.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 2:14 PM on August 22, 2022
Interesting. I had no idea.
Keen's Hot Mustard is quite excellent.
It is!
Auran mild, hot, and extra hot mustard (it's a Finnish brand) are all very good. The mild one is really nice with smoked salmon or gravlax.
I keep Kozlik's Hot Garlic around for times when I want something on the kickier side.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 2:14 PM on August 22, 2022
From the article about Grey Poupon being the mustard of American hip hop artists,
But mustard was the condiment of the 1980s, That is quite the accomplishment.
[Das EFX} song "East Coast" combines all of these trademark elements and also marks what is probably the first Grey Poupon reference in hip-hop history. They did it with this verse, "He's the don, have you seen my Grey Poupon? Bust this, we roll more spliffs than Cheech and Chong." More spliffs than Cheech and Chong. Hmmm. Very 80s. They even have a Spotify playlist of the 15 best hip hop songs referencing GP in the past 24 years.
posted by JohnnyGunn at 2:21 PM on August 22, 2022 [2 favorites]
But mustard was the condiment of the 1980s, That is quite the accomplishment.
[Das EFX} song "East Coast" combines all of these trademark elements and also marks what is probably the first Grey Poupon reference in hip-hop history. They did it with this verse, "He's the don, have you seen my Grey Poupon? Bust this, we roll more spliffs than Cheech and Chong." More spliffs than Cheech and Chong. Hmmm. Very 80s. They even have a Spotify playlist of the 15 best hip hop songs referencing GP in the past 24 years.
posted by JohnnyGunn at 2:21 PM on August 22, 2022 [2 favorites]
Have they tried Dijon ketchup?
posted by madcaptenor at 2:29 PM on August 22, 2022 [7 favorites]
posted by madcaptenor at 2:29 PM on August 22, 2022 [7 favorites]
My partner and I usually bring back at least three jars of Maille Dijon every time we come home from Western Europe because the Maille we get here isn't as spicy as the French version. When we were in France in March and April this year, we noticed mustard was a lot harder to come by, even to just use for daily purposes in our rented apartment kitchens. We ended up with Amora this time, which is spicier and at least as good (though I recently learned it's also owned by Maille) but only brought home a couple of jars and are already out as of a couple of days ago.
That said, my partner came home with a bottle of French's Dijon and it's actually got quite a kick to it. We had done quite a tour of other locally-available Dijon's to try to find something that approximated the French stuff (like Kozlik's Anton's Dijon, which we had once in a restaurant and thought ticked the box but then bought some of and it was bland) and it turns out the best one was under our noses the whole time.
posted by urbanlenny at 2:32 PM on August 22, 2022 [1 favorite]
That said, my partner came home with a bottle of French's Dijon and it's actually got quite a kick to it. We had done quite a tour of other locally-available Dijon's to try to find something that approximated the French stuff (like Kozlik's Anton's Dijon, which we had once in a restaurant and thought ticked the box but then bought some of and it was bland) and it turns out the best one was under our noses the whole time.
posted by urbanlenny at 2:32 PM on August 22, 2022 [1 favorite]
Condiments of the decades:
1950s: Catsup/Ketchup
1960s: Funny mushrooms
1970s: Relish and/or A-1 sauce
1980s Mustard
1990s: Yum Yum sauce
2000s: Siracha
2010s: Chulula Sauce
I think mustard can repeat win. Very versatile. Goes in or on pretty much anything.
posted by JohnnyGunn at 2:32 PM on August 22, 2022 [1 favorite]
1950s: Catsup/Ketchup
1960s: Funny mushrooms
1970s: Relish and/or A-1 sauce
1980s Mustard
1990s: Yum Yum sauce
2000s: Siracha
2010s: Chulula Sauce
I think mustard can repeat win. Very versatile. Goes in or on pretty much anything.
posted by JohnnyGunn at 2:32 PM on August 22, 2022 [1 favorite]
What about wasabi? Apparently the real stuff (not to be confused with the green-dyed horseradish that substitutes for it 99.9% of the time) is no longer confined to a peninsula in Japan, but is now being commercially grown in Iceland and the UK, so we may soon see a reappraisal of this condiment,
posted by acb at 2:35 PM on August 22, 2022 [2 favorites]
posted by acb at 2:35 PM on August 22, 2022 [2 favorites]
OK, Tapatio is better than Choulula.
Valentina is better than Tapatio by a tiny bit, but way harder to find.
A-1 blows, Heinz 57 is awesome.
Mustards are all good, (though TBH, Dijon is one of my least favorite mustards. Too sweet)
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posted by Windopaene at 2:40 PM on August 22, 2022 [8 favorites]
Valentina is better than Tapatio by a tiny bit, but way harder to find.
A-1 blows, Heinz 57 is awesome.
Mustards are all good, (though TBH, Dijon is one of my least favorite mustards. Too sweet)
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posted by Windopaene at 2:40 PM on August 22, 2022 [8 favorites]
Hands up if you have at least four different mustards in your pantry/fridge
Yep, and the aforementioned authentic wasabi! And now that you've reminded me, perhaps I'll have sushi for dinner...
posted by Greg_Ace at 2:42 PM on August 22, 2022
Yep, and the aforementioned authentic wasabi! And now that you've reminded me, perhaps I'll have sushi for dinner...
posted by Greg_Ace at 2:42 PM on August 22, 2022
Although - I've got leftover smoked chicken in the fridge, maybe I'll reheat some of that and stick with a Dijon condiment...decisions, decisions!
posted by Greg_Ace at 2:43 PM on August 22, 2022
posted by Greg_Ace at 2:43 PM on August 22, 2022
But the truth is that despite its historical link the to the region, Dijon mustard has been delocalised for quite some time.
A simple example of condimental drift.
posted by zamboni at 3:07 PM on August 22, 2022 [61 favorites]
A simple example of condimental drift.
posted by zamboni at 3:07 PM on August 22, 2022 [61 favorites]
From the article (emph. added):
Meanwhile, while we're talking about mustard and hip hop, I feel like I would be remiss in not pointing out that there is a producer named DJ Mustard. You can hear his producer tag, "Mustard on the beat", on songs like Rack City by Tyga or I'm Different by 2 Chainz. But why would he choose "DJ Mustard" as his stage name? I imagine it's because his real first name is Dijon.
posted by mhum at 3:15 PM on August 22, 2022 [4 favorites]
Of course, if Fallot can use exclusively Burgundian seeds, it's in large part because the company is far smaller than the four other mustard producers (Amora-Maille, Reine de Dijon, Européenne des Condiments and Charbonneaux-Brabant) sourcing at least some of their seeds from the association's producers.The list of the four other mustard producers reads like when they're listing out Daenerys Targaryen's titles. Like, there's a mysterious exiled mustard queen known as Amora-Maille, Queen of Dijon, European of the Condiments and Charbonneaux-Brabant, Breaker of Bland Sandwiches, Mother of Charcuterie Platters or whatever.
Meanwhile, while we're talking about mustard and hip hop, I feel like I would be remiss in not pointing out that there is a producer named DJ Mustard. You can hear his producer tag, "Mustard on the beat", on songs like Rack City by Tyga or I'm Different by 2 Chainz. But why would he choose "DJ Mustard" as his stage name? I imagine it's because his real first name is Dijon.
posted by mhum at 3:15 PM on August 22, 2022 [4 favorites]
Haven't read the article yet, but I assume the shortage is due to some jerk in a limousine mooching it all. Capitalist pig.
posted by The Underpants Monster at 3:21 PM on August 22, 2022 [3 favorites]
posted by The Underpants Monster at 3:21 PM on August 22, 2022 [3 favorites]
Also, I think this crowd is the one least likely to judge me harshly for eating spoonfuls of spicy brown mustard right out of the jar.
posted by The Underpants Monster at 3:23 PM on August 22, 2022 [8 favorites]
posted by The Underpants Monster at 3:23 PM on August 22, 2022 [8 favorites]
Some jerk? That was the real Francis Urquhart!
He could destroy your political career with a word!
posted by GenjiandProust at 3:25 PM on August 22, 2022 [4 favorites]
He could destroy your political career with a word!
posted by GenjiandProust at 3:25 PM on August 22, 2022 [4 favorites]
Mister Mustard, if you desire that mid-mod party authenticity in your mustards.
posted by Thorzdad at 3:44 PM on August 22, 2022 [1 favorite]
posted by Thorzdad at 3:44 PM on August 22, 2022 [1 favorite]
I prefer Tapatío to Cholula and Valentina, and (when you can get it) the black label Yucateca to all three.
I like whole grain mustard in some things, ground hot mustard in others, and horseradish regardless.
posted by aspersioncast at 3:44 PM on August 22, 2022 [1 favorite]
I like whole grain mustard in some things, ground hot mustard in others, and horseradish regardless.
posted by aspersioncast at 3:44 PM on August 22, 2022 [1 favorite]
Have they tried Dijon ketchup?
You might think that sounds like really expensive ketchup, but it's not.
posted by kirkaracha at 3:53 PM on August 22, 2022 [2 favorites]
You might think that sounds like really expensive ketchup, but it's not.
posted by kirkaracha at 3:53 PM on August 22, 2022 [2 favorites]
Mister Mustard, if you desire that mid-mod party authenticity in your mustards.
Err, that's Colonel Mustard to you.
posted by kirkaracha at 3:56 PM on August 22, 2022 [2 favorites]
Err, that's Colonel Mustard to you.
posted by kirkaracha at 3:56 PM on August 22, 2022 [2 favorites]
Trader Joe’s used to carry Pommery Moutarde de Meaux, which I suspect is where their TJ’s brand Dijon mustard is from too. I just looked up what the name meant and it’s actually from the town of Meaux outside Paris, over 300 km northwest of Dijon!
posted by cali at 4:06 PM on August 22, 2022 [1 favorite]
posted by cali at 4:06 PM on August 22, 2022 [1 favorite]
You might think that sounds like really expensive ketchup, but it's not.
Can i interest you in some..."tarchup" or, uh, "hanch?"
No, really:
Heinz Unveils 'Tarchup,' 'Wasabioli,' and 'Hanch' in Canada
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 4:41 PM on August 22, 2022 [5 favorites]
Can i interest you in some..."tarchup" or, uh, "hanch?"
No, really:
Heinz Unveils 'Tarchup,' 'Wasabioli,' and 'Hanch' in Canada
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 4:41 PM on August 22, 2022 [5 favorites]
I just love saying "hanch." "HANCH." "Haaaaaaaaaaaaanch."
(I have bought Shepherd this product because I just love saying it)
Hanch hanch hanchity hanch
posted by Kitteh at 5:32 PM on August 22, 2022 [3 favorites]
(I have bought Shepherd this product because I just love saying it)
Hanch hanch hanchity hanch
posted by Kitteh at 5:32 PM on August 22, 2022 [3 favorites]
This was the revised lyrics I pitched to Parliament for the national anthem.
It's not hip-hop, but yeah, I feel like George Clinton could write a damn good mustard anthem.
posted by condour75 at 5:38 PM on August 22, 2022 [1 favorite]
It's not hip-hop, but yeah, I feel like George Clinton could write a damn good mustard anthem.
posted by condour75 at 5:38 PM on August 22, 2022 [1 favorite]
My brain initially parsed this as "Grey Poupon is the hip hop of American mustards" and I couldn't figure out what the heck that meant.
It clearly means that Grey Poupon is a viking at being mustard.
posted by downtohisturtles at 5:42 PM on August 22, 2022 [3 favorites]
It clearly means that Grey Poupon is a viking at being mustard.
posted by downtohisturtles at 5:42 PM on August 22, 2022 [3 favorites]
10,000 DAYS DIJON IS LONG GONE
YOURE GOING HOME
posted by clavdivs at 6:04 PM on August 22, 2022 [2 favorites]
YOURE GOING HOME
posted by clavdivs at 6:04 PM on August 22, 2022 [2 favorites]
I just love saying "hanch." "HANCH." "Haaaaaaaaaaaaanch."
Careful, that's a gateway to squanching...
posted by Greg_Ace at 6:34 PM on August 22, 2022 [1 favorite]
Careful, that's a gateway to squanching...
posted by Greg_Ace at 6:34 PM on August 22, 2022 [1 favorite]
cholula is really the 2010s? i remember really liking it in the 90s. i guess everything moves in cycles
posted by dis_integration at 6:40 PM on August 22, 2022
posted by dis_integration at 6:40 PM on August 22, 2022
Meanwhile, while we're talking about mustard and hip hop, I feel like I would be remiss in not pointing out that there is a producer named DJ Mustard. You can hear his producer tag, "Mustard on the beat", on songs like Rack City by Tyga or I'm Different by 2 Chainz . But why would he choose "DJ Mustard" as his stage name? I imagine it's because his real first name is Dijon.
DJ Mustard has a full-scale diamond-encrusted gold pendant in the shape of a mustard bottle. But it’s a Heinz yellow mustard bottle.
posted by atoxyl at 8:00 PM on August 22, 2022
DJ Mustard has a full-scale diamond-encrusted gold pendant in the shape of a mustard bottle. But it’s a Heinz yellow mustard bottle.
posted by atoxyl at 8:00 PM on August 22, 2022
Mustard anthem? Roy Wood singlehandedly made an entire Mustard album.
posted by Harvey Kilobit at 8:20 PM on August 22, 2022 [1 favorite]
posted by Harvey Kilobit at 8:20 PM on August 22, 2022 [1 favorite]
After 11 years in the UK, I am now addicted to Coleman’s mustard. I brought s huge tin of it back to the States (just add water to reconstitute the powder!), so am not running out any time soon…
posted by mollymillions at 9:13 PM on August 22, 2022 [3 favorites]
posted by mollymillions at 9:13 PM on August 22, 2022 [3 favorites]
Powdered Coleman's is pretty easy to find in the USA. Being a dry powder, it lasts a lot longer on the shelf than ready-made mustards.
That said, it is work to figure out exactly how much water + time works for you. A ready-made Dijon like Maille is very reliable as long as it is not too old and recently opened -- easy as hell.
(Not to mention, the wine in Dijon mustard offers its own flavor component)
posted by your postings may, in fact, be signed at 9:41 PM on August 22, 2022
That said, it is work to figure out exactly how much water + time works for you. A ready-made Dijon like Maille is very reliable as long as it is not too old and recently opened -- easy as hell.
(Not to mention, the wine in Dijon mustard offers its own flavor component)
posted by your postings may, in fact, be signed at 9:41 PM on August 22, 2022
None of you are fans of Chinese mustard? I love it. My sinuses don’t get a vote.
And Dijon, and Englishy brown and coarse mustards, but American ballpark yellow mustard: nope.
posted by janell at 9:51 PM on August 22, 2022 [1 favorite]
And Dijon, and Englishy brown and coarse mustards, but American ballpark yellow mustard: nope.
posted by janell at 9:51 PM on August 22, 2022 [1 favorite]
Was this link below a previously? It might have been but I can't find it. Regardless, germaine to this discussion, from the darkest days of 2021:
posted by Ashwagandha at 10:14 PM on August 22, 2022 [1 favorite]
I Tried 30 Mustards This Summer. These Were the Best.My mustard habits include Kozlink's Creole Mustard when eating meat, Pommery moutarde de meaux when I need a "Dijon" regardless of application, Colman's when I need mustard powder, and when I can get (which has been difficult the last years) kasundi (AKA Bengali Mustard) for all other purposes. Ball Park Mustard (AKA Yellow Paint Mustard) need not apply.
posted by Ashwagandha at 10:14 PM on August 22, 2022 [1 favorite]
Got a say I got a way with that Grey Poupon
Got a PA I pay and I can poop on
posted by Meatbomb at 10:23 PM on August 22, 2022 [1 favorite]
Got a PA I pay and I can poop on
posted by Meatbomb at 10:23 PM on August 22, 2022 [1 favorite]
None of you are fans of Chinese mustard?
I keep Chinese mustard in the fridge to use for certain Asian dishes where mustard flavor and heat seems more fitting than chili-based condiments.
I keep plain American yellow mustard around only as a paste-like substance to help dry rubs adhere to meat I'm prepping for smoking.
posted by Greg_Ace at 10:25 PM on August 22, 2022 [1 favorite]
I keep Chinese mustard in the fridge to use for certain Asian dishes where mustard flavor and heat seems more fitting than chili-based condiments.
I keep plain American yellow mustard around only as a paste-like substance to help dry rubs adhere to meat I'm prepping for smoking.
posted by Greg_Ace at 10:25 PM on August 22, 2022 [1 favorite]
David Lebovitz wrote in a recent newsletter what it has been like trying to get mustard in France.
posted by Ashwagandha at 10:31 PM on August 22, 2022 [1 favorite]
posted by Ashwagandha at 10:31 PM on August 22, 2022 [1 favorite]
Anecdata / reporting live from France: we got some mustard-mayo in Lidl last week and their only mustard was rich stuff from Poland. Other supermarkets just have a gap as-yet unfulfilled by the global supply chain.
(Cheddar Gorge sends its condolences to mustard-not-from-Dijon. I swear the regional protected name for Somerset hard cheese should be "Cheddar Gorgeous".)
posted by k3ninho at 11:16 PM on August 22, 2022
(Cheddar Gorge sends its condolences to mustard-not-from-Dijon. I swear the regional protected name for Somerset hard cheese should be "Cheddar Gorgeous".)
posted by k3ninho at 11:16 PM on August 22, 2022
When I was 16, we went on a school trip to Dijon, which was memorable in many ways, but also included a visit to a mustard factory. It was a huge wooden barn, and it was the dirtiest place I had ever seen in my life at the time. Huge guirlandes of old cobwebs hung everywhere, thick with the dust of ages. the floor was soft to tread because of the thick layer of fine, yet sticky dust. Weirdly, despite being teenagers and shocked by the lack of hygiene, we enjoyed the mustard, when we were presented with small cheese sandwiches at the final tasting.
Anyway, this post is timely, because Sunday, I thought to put Dijon mustard in my cauliflower gratin, and it was amazing! Do this. I wanted to post it somewhere on the blue because I was so pleased with the result, and I imagined it could go in the free thread, but now it is here. I used a tablespoonful.
posted by mumimor at 12:01 AM on August 23, 2022 [4 favorites]
Anyway, this post is timely, because Sunday, I thought to put Dijon mustard in my cauliflower gratin, and it was amazing! Do this. I wanted to post it somewhere on the blue because I was so pleased with the result, and I imagined it could go in the free thread, but now it is here. I used a tablespoonful.
posted by mumimor at 12:01 AM on August 23, 2022 [4 favorites]
Yay! The condiments thread! I have many, many mustards in the fridge - having discovered Tracklements Hot English I don't think I'll ever need another variant, and their Dijon is quite good (and made in the region with local mustard, apparently). However I do lament the unavailability of The Regimental Condiment Company's products in local stores - their Mustang Dijon is quite lovely.
Having tried Löwensenf, Händlmeier, and Thomy, I've settled on Thomy Scharf as my würstsenf of choice - something about it's smooth uniformity and chemistry-set acidity just works, but the Bavarian-Australian madness of Beerenberg's Bavarian Mustard and Hahndorf Hot Mustard are winners in the sweet/sour seeded stakes.
As to hot sauce, for some reason Choulula and Valentina are really easy to get here - I think there's at least two and maybe three variants of Valentina at two different stores at the Westfield in Airport West (regular, chilpotle, and a green one?). I haven't seen Tapatio except at restaurants. I love the thick texture of Valentina, and the punchy vinegar.
Also, where's my dumpling sauce peeps at? Szechuan chilli oil, black vinegar, and the mythical sauce I only ever had one bottle of, having been assured in the Chinese grocery it was "best dumpling sauce. No no. Best dumpling sauce!" Comes in a squarish bottle, maybe a yellow label?
posted by prismatic7 at 12:31 AM on August 23, 2022 [5 favorites]
Having tried Löwensenf, Händlmeier, and Thomy, I've settled on Thomy Scharf as my würstsenf of choice - something about it's smooth uniformity and chemistry-set acidity just works, but the Bavarian-Australian madness of Beerenberg's Bavarian Mustard and Hahndorf Hot Mustard are winners in the sweet/sour seeded stakes.
As to hot sauce, for some reason Choulula and Valentina are really easy to get here - I think there's at least two and maybe three variants of Valentina at two different stores at the Westfield in Airport West (regular, chilpotle, and a green one?). I haven't seen Tapatio except at restaurants. I love the thick texture of Valentina, and the punchy vinegar.
Also, where's my dumpling sauce peeps at? Szechuan chilli oil, black vinegar, and the mythical sauce I only ever had one bottle of, having been assured in the Chinese grocery it was "best dumpling sauce. No no. Best dumpling sauce!" Comes in a squarish bottle, maybe a yellow label?
posted by prismatic7 at 12:31 AM on August 23, 2022 [5 favorites]
Heard on the field of Waterloo "What ho, Lord Colman, are all the men mustered?"
posted by BobTheScientist at 1:40 AM on August 23, 2022 [4 favorites]
posted by BobTheScientist at 1:40 AM on August 23, 2022 [4 favorites]
i currently have 7 different types of mustard in the fridge. Hengstenberg original medium-hot mustard is my favorite. and yes, i have eaten it straight from the jar with a spoon.
posted by lapolla at 2:00 AM on August 23, 2022
posted by lapolla at 2:00 AM on August 23, 2022
My sister in law, a truly skilled Xmas baker, once included in a cookie shipment a number of small brownie-like objects labeled “strange bars.” She later explained that she had been making ginger bars but had put in mustard powder instead in a moment of rare distraction. They were… quite edible.
posted by GenjiandProust at 3:37 AM on August 23, 2022 [8 favorites]
posted by GenjiandProust at 3:37 AM on August 23, 2022 [8 favorites]
It’s not a sandwich until you Poupon it.
posted by snofoam at 4:06 AM on August 23, 2022 [2 favorites]
posted by snofoam at 4:06 AM on August 23, 2022 [2 favorites]
I…I think we need more information on these mustard bars…
posted by hototogisu at 5:23 AM on August 23, 2022 [3 favorites]
posted by hototogisu at 5:23 AM on August 23, 2022 [3 favorites]
Also, where's my dumpling sauce peeps at? Szechuan chilli oil, black vinegar, and the mythical sauce I only ever had one bottle of, having been assured in the Chinese grocery it was "best dumpling sauce. No no. Best dumpling sauce!" Comes in a squarish bottle, maybe a yellow label?
We buy this at our nearby H-Mart, but you can also get it on Amazon.
posted by briank at 5:47 AM on August 23, 2022 [1 favorite]
We buy this at our nearby H-Mart, but you can also get it on Amazon.
posted by briank at 5:47 AM on August 23, 2022 [1 favorite]
I could write her and see if she can reconstruct it....
posted by GenjiandProust at 6:09 AM on August 23, 2022 [3 favorites]
posted by GenjiandProust at 6:09 AM on August 23, 2022 [3 favorites]
about Grey Poupon being the mustard of American hip hop artists,
Wait, now I'm watching the video imbedded in that article, and I need to know, was Obama asking for Dijon really making a huge inside joke?? And what would that then mean for the Fox News hysteria
posted by mumimor at 6:27 AM on August 23, 2022
Wait, now I'm watching the video imbedded in that article, and I need to know, was Obama asking for Dijon really making a huge inside joke?? And what would that then mean for the Fox News hysteria
posted by mumimor at 6:27 AM on August 23, 2022
briank! BEST DUMPLING SAUCE!
posted by prismatic7 at 7:20 AM on August 23, 2022
posted by prismatic7 at 7:20 AM on August 23, 2022
A few years ago a Norwegian friend shared some Grønbergsennep with me once, describing it as a mustard from a snack bar located in a basement near the cinema in his hometown. It was delicious... medium-dark brown, peppery but with a hint of sweetness (cola is one of the ingredients!). Unfortunately it appears that the company isn't really in business- the website hasn't been updated cine 2013, and in any case it was really only marketed and sold in and around Sarpsborg/Fredrikstad.
(If there's any Norse MeFites out there that can take a trip there and confirm, I'd appreciate it, and I'm guessing my friend would too)
posted by 40 Watt at 7:50 AM on August 23, 2022 [2 favorites]
(If there's any Norse MeFites out there that can take a trip there and confirm, I'd appreciate it, and I'm guessing my friend would too)
posted by 40 Watt at 7:50 AM on August 23, 2022 [2 favorites]
Dijon is great mustard. For me to poupon.
posted by kirkaracha at 8:01 AM on August 23, 2022 [2 favorites]
posted by kirkaracha at 8:01 AM on August 23, 2022 [2 favorites]
Sorry, I will defend the plain jane yellow mustard because I do not judge. I only love this condiment. This beautiful beautiful condiment.
posted by Kitteh at 8:10 AM on August 23, 2022 [3 favorites]
posted by Kitteh at 8:10 AM on August 23, 2022 [3 favorites]
the Fox News hysteria
Such a desperate stretch to manufacture outrage.
1) The timing for mocking someone for liking Dijon probably expired by the time Grey Poupon made the '80s limo commercials, whose theme was "one can enjoy the finer things of life with white wine mustard without paying high prices." It definitely expired after the joke in Waynes World.
2) Obama didn't immediately ask for Dijon mustard. He asked for mustard, "if you've got a spicy mustard, something like that, Dijon mustard, something like that." Not exactly an elitist demanding a rare and expensive condiment.
posted by kirkaracha at 8:18 AM on August 23, 2022 [2 favorites]
Such a desperate stretch to manufacture outrage.
1) The timing for mocking someone for liking Dijon probably expired by the time Grey Poupon made the '80s limo commercials, whose theme was "one can enjoy the finer things of life with white wine mustard without paying high prices." It definitely expired after the joke in Waynes World.
2) Obama didn't immediately ask for Dijon mustard. He asked for mustard, "if you've got a spicy mustard, something like that, Dijon mustard, something like that." Not exactly an elitist demanding a rare and expensive condiment.
posted by kirkaracha at 8:18 AM on August 23, 2022 [2 favorites]
if you are wondering (and I am sure you are) what is really the best condiment for your tater tots: its Dijon mustard!!!! I prefer Maille myself, but I'll Poupon my tots too, no problem. best eaten with pinkies out. m|
posted by supermedusa at 9:57 AM on August 23, 2022 [1 favorite]
posted by supermedusa at 9:57 AM on August 23, 2022 [1 favorite]
Enjoying the dumpling sauce and Maille love! Those are both staples in our house. Also now I want to try making my own mustard again since I'm pretty sure we still have the seeds.
posted by brilliantine at 10:50 AM on August 23, 2022 [1 favorite]
posted by brilliantine at 10:50 AM on August 23, 2022 [1 favorite]
Sliding in here to sing the praises of Honeycup, which is maybe not pure enough to stand with some of these other worthy contenders. But I first met Honeycup on a sliced turkey and Muenster sandwich on challah from Pittsburgh Deli Company, long may it live. Bliss.
posted by sockshaveholes at 11:02 AM on August 23, 2022 [1 favorite]
posted by sockshaveholes at 11:02 AM on August 23, 2022 [1 favorite]
Dijon is good on tots, but depending on what else is going on in a particular meal I may use horseradish instead (I've been enjoying this brand lately).
posted by Greg_Ace at 11:11 AM on August 23, 2022
posted by Greg_Ace at 11:11 AM on August 23, 2022
If you are thinking of how to use mustard seeds, may I introduce Madhur Jaffrey’s sesame seed potatoes
It is always the first recipe I think of when I recommend any book by Madhur Jaffrey. It is so simple and so delicious.
If I am out of dark mustard seed, I use light, and it is still delicious.
posted by mumimor at 11:15 AM on August 23, 2022
It is always the first recipe I think of when I recommend any book by Madhur Jaffrey. It is so simple and so delicious.
If I am out of dark mustard seed, I use light, and it is still delicious.
posted by mumimor at 11:15 AM on August 23, 2022
After 11 years in the UK, I am now addicted to Coleman’s mustard.
OMG, the first time this Yank tasted Coleman's mustard expecting American-style yellow mustard is seared forever in my memory and my sinuses. It came in a metallic tube! Like some kind of prescription ointment! I quickly learned that a little goes a long way and came to love it before I went home.
posted by The Underpants Monster at 11:17 AM on August 23, 2022
OMG, the first time this Yank tasted Coleman's mustard expecting American-style yellow mustard is seared forever in my memory and my sinuses. It came in a metallic tube! Like some kind of prescription ointment! I quickly learned that a little goes a long way and came to love it before I went home.
posted by The Underpants Monster at 11:17 AM on August 23, 2022
Also the tin that Colman's mustard powder comes in makes a fine joint holder once you've cleaned it out.
posted by Kitteh at 11:37 AM on August 23, 2022 [3 favorites]
posted by Kitteh at 11:37 AM on August 23, 2022 [3 favorites]
What about wasabi? Apparently the real stuff (not to be confused with the green-dyed horseradish that substitutes for it 99.9% of the time) is no longer confined to a peninsula in Japan, but is now being commercially grown in Iceland and the UK, so we may soon see a reappraisal of this condiment,
Also; Half Moon Bay here in CA. I think there’s a wasabi farm in Portland as well.
Re: mustard, I don’t have a particular favorite but Trader Joe’s once had a seasonal blue cheese mustard that was funky yet delicious (alas, I haven’t seen it in a few years…never fall in love with anything from TJ’s).
posted by Eikonaut at 11:46 AM on August 23, 2022 [3 favorites]
Also; Half Moon Bay here in CA. I think there’s a wasabi farm in Portland as well.
Re: mustard, I don’t have a particular favorite but Trader Joe’s once had a seasonal blue cheese mustard that was funky yet delicious (alas, I haven’t seen it in a few years…never fall in love with anything from TJ’s).
posted by Eikonaut at 11:46 AM on August 23, 2022 [3 favorites]
Eikonaut, i hadn’t heard about Oregon-grown wasabi until you mentioned the possibility. I went looking and found this: Oregon Coast Wasabi. Thank you!
Also, Wasaaaaaaaaaaabi!
posted by malthusan at 12:09 PM on August 23, 2022
Also, Wasaaaaaaaaaaabi!
posted by malthusan at 12:09 PM on August 23, 2022
"Hands up if you have at least four different mustards in your pantry/fridge"
Is this ... not a normal amount of mustards to have? How do you get away with fewer than four? You need yellow for hot dogs and children, Dijon for adding to dressings and cooking with, spicy brown for the adults' sandwiches, and at least one German mustard.
In addition to those, I'm quite partial to Jack Daniels Old No. 7 mustard for parties with sandwich platters, it's a grown-up mustard without being spicy, you can get it at any supermarket, people like it. I've also got a whole grain mustard, a local hot mustard, and horseradish mustard. Plus whole mustard and ground mustard in the spice cabinet.
I admit my husband thought it was weird when we met and I had four mustards in the fridge, as he had only ever had yellow mustard. But he also thought ketchup was acceptable on hotdogs. I had to teach him the error of his ways, and now he's as picky about mustards as any native Midwesterner.
"was Obama asking for Dijon really making a huge inside joke"
Nah, Obama lived in Chicago for 20 years, Chicagoans are picky about their mustards. Yellow is fine on a ballpark hotdog, or for children, but otherwise you want something a little more specific, and it's really a letdown when you go to a cheap-o catered lunch with sandwich platters and they only have one mustard option. Dijon is definitely a good bet if you're outside the land of mustard choices and would prefer something more complex than industrial yellow mustard. People at least know what it is!
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 6:10 PM on August 23, 2022 [3 favorites]
Is this ... not a normal amount of mustards to have? How do you get away with fewer than four? You need yellow for hot dogs and children, Dijon for adding to dressings and cooking with, spicy brown for the adults' sandwiches, and at least one German mustard.
In addition to those, I'm quite partial to Jack Daniels Old No. 7 mustard for parties with sandwich platters, it's a grown-up mustard without being spicy, you can get it at any supermarket, people like it. I've also got a whole grain mustard, a local hot mustard, and horseradish mustard. Plus whole mustard and ground mustard in the spice cabinet.
I admit my husband thought it was weird when we met and I had four mustards in the fridge, as he had only ever had yellow mustard. But he also thought ketchup was acceptable on hotdogs. I had to teach him the error of his ways, and now he's as picky about mustards as any native Midwesterner.
"was Obama asking for Dijon really making a huge inside joke"
Nah, Obama lived in Chicago for 20 years, Chicagoans are picky about their mustards. Yellow is fine on a ballpark hotdog, or for children, but otherwise you want something a little more specific, and it's really a letdown when you go to a cheap-o catered lunch with sandwich platters and they only have one mustard option. Dijon is definitely a good bet if you're outside the land of mustard choices and would prefer something more complex than industrial yellow mustard. People at least know what it is!
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 6:10 PM on August 23, 2022 [3 favorites]
You need yellow [mustard] for hot dogs and children
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posted by Greg_Ace at 7:25 PM on August 23, 2022 [6 favorites]
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posted by Greg_Ace at 7:25 PM on August 23, 2022 [6 favorites]
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Indeed! Everyone knows that the best condiment for them is Tracklement's Tewkesbury Hot Mustard.
posted by mikelieman at 5:56 AM on August 24, 2022 [1 favorite]
Indeed! Everyone knows that the best condiment for them is Tracklement's Tewkesbury Hot Mustard.
posted by mikelieman at 5:56 AM on August 24, 2022 [1 favorite]
Heh, on the hot sauce derail.... quite a few years ago I was back home with people who thought Tobasco or Texas Pete was the thing. I went out the the WallMart and brought back half a dozen different "hot" sauce things that I employ for various situations because they are good for different applications. Curse me, I even gave my little nephew some real wasabi because it only lasts like a hot minute.
Mustard wise, I only have a couple depending on how you want to count them. But I also like make my own honey mustard sauce. I mostly adjust rather than keeping half a dozen.
BTW, sorta half homeless lunch goes like that. First there's three hots and a cot, but when you are out and schooling or working, it's two hots and a brown bag lunch, which is a bologna sandwich with mustard, a bag of chips of some sort and a piece of fruit. Standard issue brown bag lunch. Bog standard American yellow hot dog mustard at that. Hello lunch!
posted by zengargoyle at 2:57 PM on August 24, 2022
Mustard wise, I only have a couple depending on how you want to count them. But I also like make my own honey mustard sauce. I mostly adjust rather than keeping half a dozen.
BTW, sorta half homeless lunch goes like that. First there's three hots and a cot, but when you are out and schooling or working, it's two hots and a brown bag lunch, which is a bologna sandwich with mustard, a bag of chips of some sort and a piece of fruit. Standard issue brown bag lunch. Bog standard American yellow hot dog mustard at that. Hello lunch!
posted by zengargoyle at 2:57 PM on August 24, 2022
So today I decided to hoard some Dijon. Officially, the mustard crisis has not hit Denmark yet, but I thought it would be wise to prepare, and lo! there was no Dijon in the first supermarket I went to, the big one. Then I went to another, that is more like a corner store, and they had a few jars. I only took one. We are more of a hot sauce family, and we are nothing near out of mustard.
When I came home, I told it to one of the kids, and he revealed that he is hoarding dry goods and tins in his cupboard, after having read that apart from all the other crises, China's harvest seems to be about to fail. I don't think he worries so much about empty shelves as about rising prices. But our government is already sending out relief checks to compensate for the rising gas prices, and in the past week they set a rent ceiling. I suppose there are things they can do if food prices go too high as well, like removing VAT on essential goods.
posted by mumimor at 7:42 AM on August 27, 2022
When I came home, I told it to one of the kids, and he revealed that he is hoarding dry goods and tins in his cupboard, after having read that apart from all the other crises, China's harvest seems to be about to fail. I don't think he worries so much about empty shelves as about rising prices. But our government is already sending out relief checks to compensate for the rising gas prices, and in the past week they set a rent ceiling. I suppose there are things they can do if food prices go too high as well, like removing VAT on essential goods.
posted by mumimor at 7:42 AM on August 27, 2022
In case anyone is still reading, take this recipe and swap dried mustard for the ginger. Enjoy!
posted by GenjiandProust at 6:31 PM on September 2, 2022 [1 favorite]
posted by GenjiandProust at 6:31 PM on September 2, 2022 [1 favorite]
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