An Anarchist’s Guide To Dune
March 21, 2024 2:30 PM Subscribe
A long time ago in a place called Olympia, Washington… The Transmetropolitan Review places Frank Herbert’s Dune within the anarchist history of the Pacific Northwest.
Holy shit. This is awesome. It's one of my favorite articles of the year so far (along with the NYT piece about the perfumer from Parma).
posted by jdroth at 3:48 PM on March 21 [5 favorites]
posted by jdroth at 3:48 PM on March 21 [5 favorites]
"If the reader is able to detach (or examine) their empathy for the characters of Dune, the entire story becomes an anarchist fable of a free people who fall into the hands of a Hero."
I haven't seen the second film yet, but my understanding is that this is pretty well depicted? That it's clear that Paul is using the Fremen for his own ends, and isn't becoming their Messiah but instead they are becoming his pawns on the chess board?
I mean, that's the intent of the first two books, is to depict that.
posted by hippybear at 3:48 PM on March 21 [3 favorites]
I haven't seen the second film yet, but my understanding is that this is pretty well depicted? That it's clear that Paul is using the Fremen for his own ends, and isn't becoming their Messiah but instead they are becoming his pawns on the chess board?
I mean, that's the intent of the first two books, is to depict that.
posted by hippybear at 3:48 PM on March 21 [3 favorites]
“Book 2/ film 3: no, this sucks actually”
posted by Artw at 3:49 PM on March 21 [2 favorites]
posted by Artw at 3:49 PM on March 21 [2 favorites]
Also, this is a SERIOUSLY long read. Just because it's nice to warn people about such things.
posted by hippybear at 3:57 PM on March 21 [3 favorites]
posted by hippybear at 3:57 PM on March 21 [3 favorites]
“Book 2/ film 3: no, this sucks actually”
Book 2 Paul talking to Stilgar (spoilers, I guess? It’s more than foreshadowed…):
Book 2 Paul talking to Stilgar (spoilers, I guess? It’s more than foreshadowed…):
"There's another emperor I want you to note in passing - a Hitler. He killed more than six million. Pretty good for those days."posted by Ryvar at 4:07 PM on March 21 [7 favorites]
"Killed... by his legions?" Stilgar asked.
"Yes"
"Not very impressive statistics, m'Lord."
"Very good Stil." Paul glanced at the reels in Korba's hands. Korba stood with them as though he wished he could drop them and flee. "Statistics: at a conservative estimate, I've killed sixty-one billion, sterlized ninety planets, completely demoralized five hundred others. I've wiped out the followers of forty religions which had existed since-"
"Unbelievers!" Korba protested. "Unbelievers all!"
"No," Paul said. "Believers."
"My liege makes a joke," Korba said, voice trembling. "The Jihad has brought ten thousand worlds into the shining light of-"
"Into the darkness," Paul said. "We'll be a hundred generations recovering from Muad'dib's Jihad. I find it hard to imagine that anyone will ever surpass this." A barking laugh erupted from his throat.
"What amuses Maud'dib?" Stilgar asked.
"I am not amused. I merely had a sudden vision of the Emperor Hitler saying something similar. No doubt he did."
I mean, that's the intent of the first two books, is to depict that.
By the end of the first book, we know that Paul has failed to become anything but a killer.
posted by mr_roboto at 4:27 PM on March 21 [2 favorites]
By the end of the first book, we know that Paul has failed to become anything but a killer.
posted by mr_roboto at 4:27 PM on March 21 [2 favorites]
And, still reading what feels like hours later... I've learned why Children Of Dune was ALL OVER THE FUCKING EVERYWHERE in ways that previous SF novels had never been.
This is a really fascinating article and the framing of this post doesn't do it justice. Just read the whole fucking thing because I don't feel like this is common knowledge in the SF history crew.
So excellent, thanks for posting!
posted by hippybear at 4:29 PM on March 21 [3 favorites]
This is a really fascinating article and the framing of this post doesn't do it justice. Just read the whole fucking thing because I don't feel like this is common knowledge in the SF history crew.
So excellent, thanks for posting!
posted by hippybear at 4:29 PM on March 21 [3 favorites]
Does the Transmet Review credit their authors anywhere, or is that an insufficiently anarchistic convention?
(Asking since the author arrived in Olympia a year after I did, and the writing voice is oddly familiar)
posted by not just everyday big moggies at 5:20 PM on March 21
(Asking since the author arrived in Olympia a year after I did, and the writing voice is oddly familiar)
posted by not just everyday big moggies at 5:20 PM on March 21
This is a really fascinating article and the framing of this post doesn't do it justice.Yeah, I honestly had no idea how to even begin to summarize the article. There’s just so much there.
Does the Transmet Review credit their authors anywhere … ?I looked pretty hard to find a byline, since I have a general policy of crediting and tagging authors in my MeFi posts. It seems to be completely anonymous, though.
posted by mbrubeck at 5:35 PM on March 21 [1 favorite]
This feels more like a book than an essay. I'm enjoying it, but it's competing with me rereading Dune, so it'll probably be a little while before I finish it.
posted by kittens for breakfast at 5:39 PM on March 21 [1 favorite]
posted by kittens for breakfast at 5:39 PM on March 21 [1 favorite]
There’s a caption here that made me laugh out loud.
Dune is really just about a yoga mom and her little guy
posted by logicpunk at 5:56 PM on March 21 [12 favorites]
Dune is really just about a yoga mom and her little guy
posted by logicpunk at 5:56 PM on March 21 [12 favorites]
The old Elks lodge in Tacoma is now a hotel and some of the artwork has a Frank Herbert / Dune theme that's worth visiting, if you're in the area.
posted by The corpse in the library at 6:02 PM on March 21 [5 favorites]
posted by The corpse in the library at 6:02 PM on March 21 [5 favorites]
I also searched in vain for a byline. Now I’m relistening to the Olympia-based Doomer v. Bloomer podcast, episode 45, on anarchist engagement with Dune, scouring their source links, and putting red string up on the bulletin board.
I’m gonna figure out who wrote it. Then I’m gonna burn all records of the search and take the secret to my grave.
posted by Headfullofair at 6:16 PM on March 21 [3 favorites]
I’m gonna figure out who wrote it. Then I’m gonna burn all records of the search and take the secret to my grave.
posted by Headfullofair at 6:16 PM on March 21 [3 favorites]
I’m just here to let people know about the former super fund site and now absolutely lovely Dune Peninsula in Point Defiance Park, featuring the Frank Herbert Trail, in Tacoma.
posted by bq at 7:35 PM on March 21 [7 favorites]
posted by bq at 7:35 PM on March 21 [7 favorites]
Whoever the author is, they seem a little credulous in believing that what Brian Herbert (and Kevin J. Anderson) wrote is what Frank Herbert would have written had he lived longer, as well as seemingly buying into the "Fremen Mirage" (first in a series of articles which in total are about 1.5 times longer than this piece) vis-à-vis Palestinians in Gaza (see Part IV for its applicability to modern non-state actors).
posted by Strutter Cane - United Planets Stilt Patrol at 4:33 AM on March 22 [3 favorites]
posted by Strutter Cane - United Planets Stilt Patrol at 4:33 AM on March 22 [3 favorites]
Yeah, the whole 'best fighters come from the most brutal places with the most suffering' things gives me a bunch of ideas for Ted Lasso Season 4...
In which Ted trains a bunch of Ukrainian computer scientists into a crack commando squad through the power of team building, optimism, and psychological safety. Culminating in 'Total Warfare.'
posted by kaibutsu at 5:50 AM on March 22 [3 favorites]
In which Ted trains a bunch of Ukrainian computer scientists into a crack commando squad through the power of team building, optimism, and psychological safety. Culminating in 'Total Warfare.'
posted by kaibutsu at 5:50 AM on March 22 [3 favorites]
Now just hold on a minute this sounds sus as hell:
“However, before the Nazis, before the US sterilization laws, there was a fringe movement called eugenics, and it aimed to allow men and women to have a choice in whether or not they had children, something all the major religions were against.”
I would love to see receipts on this because there aren’t any
posted by toodleydoodley at 6:11 AM on March 22 [2 favorites]
“However, before the Nazis, before the US sterilization laws, there was a fringe movement called eugenics, and it aimed to allow men and women to have a choice in whether or not they had children, something all the major religions were against.”
I would love to see receipts on this because there aren’t any
posted by toodleydoodley at 6:11 AM on March 22 [2 favorites]
toodleydoodley I came to ask about that same passage! Including this quote:
"For this reason and more, many early advocates of birth control were eugenicists, including the anarchist Emma Goldman."
Is there any evidence for this claim that eugenics started out as a reproductive freedom movement?
posted by medusa at 6:44 AM on March 22 [2 favorites]
"For this reason and more, many early advocates of birth control were eugenicists, including the anarchist Emma Goldman."
Is there any evidence for this claim that eugenics started out as a reproductive freedom movement?
posted by medusa at 6:44 AM on March 22 [2 favorites]
Is there any evidence for this claim that eugenics started out as a reproductive freedom movement?
This seems like a causation/correlation error. Lots of overlap, but eugenics started out because Darwin's cousin thought breeding humans for specific traits should be a simple as breeding dogs.
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 7:55 AM on March 22 [3 favorites]
This seems like a causation/correlation error. Lots of overlap, but eugenics started out because Darwin's cousin thought breeding humans for specific traits should be a simple as breeding dogs.
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 7:55 AM on March 22 [3 favorites]
Yeah.... Here's a reddit discussion on Emma Goldman and eugenics, which makes it sound pretty definitively that the birth control stuff was explicitly to limit the amount of breeding amongst unfavored groups - ie, acting in service of eugenics as we know it.
The past is another country... And a very racist one, at that.
posted by kaibutsu at 8:38 AM on March 22 [3 favorites]
The past is another country... And a very racist one, at that.
posted by kaibutsu at 8:38 AM on March 22 [3 favorites]
I mean for one thing, “all the major religions” were totally not against reproductive choice. That came later with political and social agendas.
posted by toodleydoodley at 9:18 AM on March 22 [2 favorites]
posted by toodleydoodley at 9:18 AM on March 22 [2 favorites]
A lot of late-19th-to-mid-twentieth century "revolutionaries" (of any ideological stripe --- anarchist, socialist, fascist) were eugenicist, because their vision of a revolution generally involved the application of science to make a more perfect society (e.g. industrialization was going to make everyone happier with more leisure and prosperity, if they'd just do it right), and eugenics was definitely on the roster of "scientific methods" of the day. We now better now, of course, but it's an unsurprising outgrowth of a post-Enlightenment rationalist use-science-to-fix-all-the-things attitude.
AFAICT, eugenics was never billed as a reproductive-freedom thing. Lots of its proponents believed that a better society could/should/would be a freer society, and that eugenics was part of getting there, but eugenics itself was never conceived of as being, in and of itself, a form of freedom.
posted by jackbishop at 10:50 AM on March 22 [3 favorites]
AFAICT, eugenics was never billed as a reproductive-freedom thing. Lots of its proponents believed that a better society could/should/would be a freer society, and that eugenics was part of getting there, but eugenics itself was never conceived of as being, in and of itself, a form of freedom.
posted by jackbishop at 10:50 AM on March 22 [3 favorites]
See also The Fabian Society - it was incredibly prevalent at the time.
posted by Artw at 10:55 AM on March 22
posted by Artw at 10:55 AM on March 22
Fascinating article with its focus on regional and family radical politics as contexts for Dune, plus Soul Catcher.
Now I'm wondering how this background influenced the rest of Herbert's extensive bibliography.
posted by doctornemo at 12:47 PM on March 22 [1 favorite]
Now I'm wondering how this background influenced the rest of Herbert's extensive bibliography.
posted by doctornemo at 12:47 PM on March 22 [1 favorite]
Really compelling writing, thanks for the link.
medusa: Is there any evidence for this claim that eugenics started out as a reproductive freedom movement?
Marie Stopes was positive that poor people shouldn't breed to avert their substandard bloodlines. The foundation formed from her legacy has renamed itself MSI Reproductive Choices. We reinterpret with today's lenses what came before, some of these people were horrible while also normal-for-the-times.
posted by k3ninho at 2:06 PM on March 22 [2 favorites]
medusa: Is there any evidence for this claim that eugenics started out as a reproductive freedom movement?
Marie Stopes was positive that poor people shouldn't breed to avert their substandard bloodlines. The foundation formed from her legacy has renamed itself MSI Reproductive Choices. We reinterpret with today's lenses what came before, some of these people were horrible while also normal-for-the-times.
posted by k3ninho at 2:06 PM on March 22 [2 favorites]
Informative article, but way too black & white, and way more details than necessary. Authors personal lives rarely interest me. At least some early details paint some picutre of what made the west cost so interesting for the 1900s. I've enjoyed Quinn's ideas perspective on Dune & other scifi too.
Awful lot of errors..
Ain't so clear if spice prescience is real prescience, or merely "computing" the future with your own mind. The scattering isn't a side effect of Leto II's Golden Path, but his entire goal.
Brian Herbert invented this stupidity about intelegent machines being the umtilate bad guys, just aboit his books entirely. It's clear in Chapterhouse: Dune that the adversaries are evolved face dancers. Anywys, humanity's own self defeating tendencies is the big bad which Leto II's Golden Path defeates.
Article never supports it's libertarianism claims, certianly many people sung that way out west, but libertarian tropes never featured promenently in Frank Herbert's work. Anyways, Frank Herbet was no anarchist either, in that he did not oppose the state per se. If otoh you read his Bureau of Sabotage stories, then you'll realize his interst in "radical correction of the state."
Anarchist rarely understand that much exists between anarchism and statism, just one example of many where the author's black & white way of looking at the world makes the article less useful.
"the religious jihad was the only way to ensure that the eugenic plans of the Bene Gesserit would never again reign over the galaxy."
Nah. Paul was a failure, not a savior. Paul foresaw his son Leto II's Golden Path. Paul 's jihad was his cowardly escape hatch, because he didn't want to become a dispotic God-Emperor. It's not what the Bene Gesserit wanted either, but it's what humanity needed.
I liked the Pandora Sequence too, including the Destination: Void, by Herbert alone. I've no idea if they're on-par with Dune itself, if I recall they're often less clear, but they're anyways much weaker than later Dune books, which imho capture among the most relevant ideas ever expressed by science fiction.
Dune and Dune: Messiah were published in 1965 and 1969. Dune is kinda Lawrence of Arabia, but Dune: Messiah delivers Frank Herbert's message: “I wrote the Dune series because I had this idea that charismatic leaders ought to come with a warning label on their forehead: 'May be dangerous to your health.'” After this the series becomes more interesting.
Children of Dune eas published in a 1976, after Punctuated equilibrium was published by Eldredge & Gould in 1972. Paul's son Leto II pursues the Golden Path to cause the scattering, so that humanity cannot never again stagnate under the rule of a single government. Leto II foresaw extinction if this continued, but the scattering frees humanity form from destroying itself in stagnation.
The Honored Matres represent Gould's punctuatoinal change, off-page in their flight from evolved facedancers, and primarily in their conflit with the Bene Gesserit. At the end, the Honored Matres & Bene Gesserit merge, becoming stronger. Leto II's purpose was to cause this sort of thing to happen continually forever, an eternity punctuated by survival threatening violence, but the violence that brings evolution.
As a whole, the Dune sage is about humanity returning to a "state of nature", while retaining something of the advancements that make us human. Here We Are by Tom Murphy feels relevant here.
posted by jeffburdges at 9:08 AM on March 23 [3 favorites]
Awful lot of errors..
Ain't so clear if spice prescience is real prescience, or merely "computing" the future with your own mind. The scattering isn't a side effect of Leto II's Golden Path, but his entire goal.
Brian Herbert invented this stupidity about intelegent machines being the umtilate bad guys, just aboit his books entirely. It's clear in Chapterhouse: Dune that the adversaries are evolved face dancers. Anywys, humanity's own self defeating tendencies is the big bad which Leto II's Golden Path defeates.
Article never supports it's libertarianism claims, certianly many people sung that way out west, but libertarian tropes never featured promenently in Frank Herbert's work. Anyways, Frank Herbet was no anarchist either, in that he did not oppose the state per se. If otoh you read his Bureau of Sabotage stories, then you'll realize his interst in "radical correction of the state."
Anarchist rarely understand that much exists between anarchism and statism, just one example of many where the author's black & white way of looking at the world makes the article less useful.
"the religious jihad was the only way to ensure that the eugenic plans of the Bene Gesserit would never again reign over the galaxy."
Nah. Paul was a failure, not a savior. Paul foresaw his son Leto II's Golden Path. Paul 's jihad was his cowardly escape hatch, because he didn't want to become a dispotic God-Emperor. It's not what the Bene Gesserit wanted either, but it's what humanity needed.
I liked the Pandora Sequence too, including the Destination: Void, by Herbert alone. I've no idea if they're on-par with Dune itself, if I recall they're often less clear, but they're anyways much weaker than later Dune books, which imho capture among the most relevant ideas ever expressed by science fiction.
Dune and Dune: Messiah were published in 1965 and 1969. Dune is kinda Lawrence of Arabia, but Dune: Messiah delivers Frank Herbert's message: “I wrote the Dune series because I had this idea that charismatic leaders ought to come with a warning label on their forehead: 'May be dangerous to your health.'” After this the series becomes more interesting.
Children of Dune eas published in a 1976, after Punctuated equilibrium was published by Eldredge & Gould in 1972. Paul's son Leto II pursues the Golden Path to cause the scattering, so that humanity cannot never again stagnate under the rule of a single government. Leto II foresaw extinction if this continued, but the scattering frees humanity form from destroying itself in stagnation.
The Honored Matres represent Gould's punctuatoinal change, off-page in their flight from evolved facedancers, and primarily in their conflit with the Bene Gesserit. At the end, the Honored Matres & Bene Gesserit merge, becoming stronger. Leto II's purpose was to cause this sort of thing to happen continually forever, an eternity punctuated by survival threatening violence, but the violence that brings evolution.
As a whole, the Dune sage is about humanity returning to a "state of nature", while retaining something of the advancements that make us human. Here We Are by Tom Murphy feels relevant here.
posted by jeffburdges at 9:08 AM on March 23 [3 favorites]
Ain't so clear if spice prescience is real prescience, or merely "computing" the future with your own mind. The scattering isn't a side effect of Leto II's Golden Path, but his entire goal.
That seems pretty clear, TBH. The distinction is drawn repeatedly between Oracular powers and mentat stuff, which would be the computational stuff, and they interact in ways that mean they can’t just be inside peoples heads.
posted by Artw at 10:38 AM on March 23 [1 favorite]
That seems pretty clear, TBH. The distinction is drawn repeatedly between Oracular powers and mentat stuff, which would be the computational stuff, and they interact in ways that mean they can’t just be inside peoples heads.
posted by Artw at 10:38 AM on March 23 [1 favorite]
I'd noticed this connection myself, but Quinn's ideas really highlights this interpretation making more sense overall, so really I'm citing him here, and elsewhere above.
In Bene Gessert, it's clear the prescience ties into having access to other memories, and accessing more memories is the whole point of breaking a Kwisatz Haderach, who then brings better prescience. It makes sense prescient individuals have vastly more with wich to compute, but "compute" need not resemble what mentats do, maybe more what journalists do. At least to me, the limits of prescience sound vaguely like human thought too.
It's kinda ambiguious of course, like the crazy inter-generational telepathy moment between Paul & Leto II, maybe other memories require some wacky miss-interpretation of quantum mechanics, like so much sci-fi.
We never learn how this works with Guild Navigators, but Miles Teg developed something very different, but more on the mentat side, without other memories, but after Leto II some strange people like him existed. Again the diversity sounds like human thought plays the desciding role.
posted by jeffburdges at 11:14 AM on March 23
In Bene Gessert, it's clear the prescience ties into having access to other memories, and accessing more memories is the whole point of breaking a Kwisatz Haderach, who then brings better prescience. It makes sense prescient individuals have vastly more with wich to compute, but "compute" need not resemble what mentats do, maybe more what journalists do. At least to me, the limits of prescience sound vaguely like human thought too.
It's kinda ambiguious of course, like the crazy inter-generational telepathy moment between Paul & Leto II, maybe other memories require some wacky miss-interpretation of quantum mechanics, like so much sci-fi.
We never learn how this works with Guild Navigators, but Miles Teg developed something very different, but more on the mentat side, without other memories, but after Leto II some strange people like him existed. Again the diversity sounds like human thought plays the desciding role.
posted by jeffburdges at 11:14 AM on March 23
I'm just glad to see someone else knows about Quinn's Ideas on YouTube. I think he does quality work, and I'm not sure how widely known his channel is.
posted by hippybear at 1:19 PM on March 23 [1 favorite]
posted by hippybear at 1:19 PM on March 23 [1 favorite]
Why Paul is Not the Hero of Dune and Is Dune a White Savior Story? by Quinn's Ideas provide a more succinct & better discussion of the ideas presented in this article.
"According to Frank Herbet, power attracts the corruptable and we should suspect anyone who seeks it out"
"Frank Herbet saw the necessity of government but did not deny the inherrent problems with all political systems that we as human society had not yet solved."
"his interests seem to mostly revolve around these social and political aspects of human society in regard to the relationship between the leaders of society and those they rule"
An anarchist might not be such a fan, because Frank Herbet wants to understand the messy governance problem, not merely pretend it goes away if you stop calling what you're doing government.
posted by jeffburdges at 9:00 AM on April 7
"According to Frank Herbet, power attracts the corruptable and we should suspect anyone who seeks it out"
"Frank Herbet saw the necessity of government but did not deny the inherrent problems with all political systems that we as human society had not yet solved."
"his interests seem to mostly revolve around these social and political aspects of human society in regard to the relationship between the leaders of society and those they rule"
An anarchist might not be such a fan, because Frank Herbet wants to understand the messy governance problem, not merely pretend it goes away if you stop calling what you're doing government.
posted by jeffburdges at 9:00 AM on April 7
man, yeah, I saw a post on Twitter a couple weeks ago about how Dev Patel could have been a good casting for Paul, with someone else QRTing it like, no, you don't understand, in this particular case it is actually very important to the story, in a way that it almost never is, for the main guy to be played by a white dude
posted by DoctorFedora at 6:36 PM on April 7 [1 favorite]
posted by DoctorFedora at 6:36 PM on April 7 [1 favorite]
I finally saw the second film, so..
It makes several excelent changes that make Herbert's intent clearer than the first book:
Paul & Jessica discuss religious manipulation by the Bene Geserit almost the whome film. At least some Fremmen understand this too. Initially, Paul opposes manipulating the Fremen, while Jessica favors, but..
Absolutely everyone becomes a machiavellian villain when they accesses past memories by taking the water of life. Jessica starts actively manipulating the fremen right after becoming their reverend mother, which includes both her own memories, as well as memories of all fremen history. Paul abandens all opposition to manipulating the fremen, and startingthe jihad, almost immediately after becoming the kwisatz haderach. And Gaius Helen Mohiam starts this way of course.
"Don't trust anyone (with memories) over 300"
About race..
Dev Patel fits the book's discription of Atreides better than Timothee Chalamet.
At least one of Quinn's videos linked above points out that nobody is "white" in the Dune books. Paul would've "olive skin" since Dune mentions Leto having "olive skin". In fact, Quinn suggests Atreides maybe slightly darker skinned than fremen, and that humanity probably does not have earth races anymore, due to pre-FLT space travel.
It's possible the studio wanted some white actors, so then "we're deconstructing savior stories", which the movies achieves nicely, provides cover for using white actors in those roles.
posted by jeffburdges at 3:54 PM on April 16 [1 favorite]
It makes several excelent changes that make Herbert's intent clearer than the first book:
Paul & Jessica discuss religious manipulation by the Bene Geserit almost the whome film. At least some Fremmen understand this too. Initially, Paul opposes manipulating the Fremen, while Jessica favors, but..
Absolutely everyone becomes a machiavellian villain when they accesses past memories by taking the water of life. Jessica starts actively manipulating the fremen right after becoming their reverend mother, which includes both her own memories, as well as memories of all fremen history. Paul abandens all opposition to manipulating the fremen, and startingthe jihad, almost immediately after becoming the kwisatz haderach. And Gaius Helen Mohiam starts this way of course.
"Don't trust anyone (with memories) over 300"
About race..
Dev Patel fits the book's discription of Atreides better than Timothee Chalamet.
At least one of Quinn's videos linked above points out that nobody is "white" in the Dune books. Paul would've "olive skin" since Dune mentions Leto having "olive skin". In fact, Quinn suggests Atreides maybe slightly darker skinned than fremen, and that humanity probably does not have earth races anymore, due to pre-FLT space travel.
It's possible the studio wanted some white actors, so then "we're deconstructing savior stories", which the movies achieves nicely, provides cover for using white actors in those roles.
posted by jeffburdges at 3:54 PM on April 16 [1 favorite]
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FWIW the trilogy has been published under the name "The Pandora Sequence" before.
posted by Dr. Twist at 3:26 PM on March 21 [4 favorites]