The "G" is pronounced the same as in GIF
April 27, 2024 6:45 AM Subscribe
Great title!
posted by fairmettle at 7:13 AM on April 27 [9 favorites]
posted by fairmettle at 7:13 AM on April 27 [9 favorites]
My brain made more of a zhibly deal. Happy to get this tour, thanks OP!
posted by drowsy at 7:18 AM on April 27
posted by drowsy at 7:18 AM on April 27
Also +1 fairmettle, this is elite level propriety transmission. Much respect.
posted by drowsy at 7:20 AM on April 27
posted by drowsy at 7:20 AM on April 27
Now do “Ghiblifite.”
posted by GenjiandProust at 8:19 AM on April 27 [5 favorites]
posted by GenjiandProust at 8:19 AM on April 27 [5 favorites]
this post rustles my ghiblies
posted by The otter lady at 9:42 AM on April 27 [7 favorites]
posted by The otter lady at 9:42 AM on April 27 [7 favorites]
The proper English pronunciation would be "lovely ghubbly".
posted by rory at 10:03 AM on April 27 [1 favorite]
posted by rory at 10:03 AM on April 27 [1 favorite]
I pronounce it with the same hard "g" sound as the "j" in jpeg.
posted by signal at 10:46 AM on April 27 [2 favorites]
posted by signal at 10:46 AM on April 27 [2 favorites]
GenjiandProust: "Now do “Ghiblifite.”"
Now them's fitin' words.
posted by adamrice at 11:20 AM on April 27 [1 favorite]
Now them's fitin' words.
posted by adamrice at 11:20 AM on April 27 [1 favorite]
I say it "θroʊt ˈwɔrblər ˈmænˌɡroʊv"
posted by GCU Sweet and Full of Grace at 11:50 AM on April 27 [5 favorites]
posted by GCU Sweet and Full of Grace at 11:50 AM on April 27 [5 favorites]
Choosy mothers choose gif.
posted by cybrcamper at 1:11 PM on April 27 [1 favorite]
posted by cybrcamper at 1:11 PM on April 27 [1 favorite]
I always pronounced it with the j sound because that's how it's written in katakana.
posted by sotonohito at 2:18 PM on April 27 [8 favorites]
posted by sotonohito at 2:18 PM on April 27 [8 favorites]
Ghibli's particular path through Japanese notwithstanding, there is something about gh making a "j" sound (IPA [dʒ]) that seems to make intuitive sense to many English speakers. People commonly mispronounce the Ghirardelli brand with this sound, for example, and some of the namesakes of Ghent, Belgium (hard g) are pronounced "jent". This is mildly puzzling -- there are, I believe, zero non–proper-name English words in which gh is pronounced "j", and the function of the h in Italian and Dutch (among several other languages) is precisely to make the letter g hard before an e or i, where it would otherwise be palatalized to something close to "j". (Compare ghetto to gesso.) So why do we get this backwards?
My theory is that this reveals people's implicit awareness of phonology! The hard sounds made in English by c and g differ only in voicing, so by analogy, it's reasonable to guess that gh should be pronounced like ch, only voiced. So people do that, even if there isn't a single example in the language to encourage them. This would also perfectly explain why zh is a commonly seen phonetic spelling of [ʒ] (the sound of the g in triage or the s in pleasure), even though there is, again, not a single English word in which zh makes that sound (or appears at all, I think). If z is a voiced s, then it's intuitive to people that zh would be a voiced sh, and this seems to be true even for the majority of people who couldn't tell you what a voiced consonant is in the first place.
posted by aws17576 at 3:07 PM on April 27 [15 favorites]
My theory is that this reveals people's implicit awareness of phonology! The hard sounds made in English by c and g differ only in voicing, so by analogy, it's reasonable to guess that gh should be pronounced like ch, only voiced. So people do that, even if there isn't a single example in the language to encourage them. This would also perfectly explain why zh is a commonly seen phonetic spelling of [ʒ] (the sound of the g in triage or the s in pleasure), even though there is, again, not a single English word in which zh makes that sound (or appears at all, I think). If z is a voiced s, then it's intuitive to people that zh would be a voiced sh, and this seems to be true even for the majority of people who couldn't tell you what a voiced consonant is in the first place.
posted by aws17576 at 3:07 PM on April 27 [15 favorites]
Man I did my own dive into the pronunciations and how they got from point A to point B, and it was disheartening to discover that /g/ is, in a weird way, The Most Authentic if you get into how ق is pronounced by country
posted by DoctorFedora at 4:24 PM on April 27
posted by DoctorFedora at 4:24 PM on April 27
aws17576: People commonly mispronounce the Ghirardelli brand with this sound, for example, and some of the namesakes of Ghent, Belgium (hard g) are pronounced "jent".
I assume you actually meant djent, no?
posted by signal at 4:47 PM on April 27
I assume you actually meant djent, no?
posted by signal at 4:47 PM on April 27
The important thing is that I personally have been pronouncing it correctly.
posted by subdee at 5:43 PM on April 27
posted by subdee at 5:43 PM on April 27
gibletsIsn’t that the dwarf who runs the delicatessen on Cable Street?
posted by mbrubeck at 9:58 PM on April 27 [3 favorites]
So the English spelling does not reflect the way it’s pronounced, but rather its origins, albeit in a half-baked and complicated way? A pretty normal English spelling, in other words.
posted by Phanx at 12:09 AM on April 28 [1 favorite]
posted by Phanx at 12:09 AM on April 28 [1 favorite]
...there is something about gh making a "j" sound (IPA [dʒ]) that seems to make intuitive sense to many English speakers.
As a lifelong english speaker, from a family of english speakers, I cannot for the life of me recall anyone pronouncing gh as j. Then again, I was taught during the sacred high period of phonics, so...
posted by Thorzdad at 6:44 AM on April 28
As a lifelong english speaker, from a family of english speakers, I cannot for the life of me recall anyone pronouncing gh as j. Then again, I was taught during the sacred high period of phonics, so...
posted by Thorzdad at 6:44 AM on April 28
Well, there's that comedian who continued hosting SNL's Weekend Update after he died, Che's friend Colin Ghost.
posted by fantabulous timewaster at 7:26 PM on April 28
posted by fantabulous timewaster at 7:26 PM on April 28
"gh" as in "slaughter", "i" as in "business", "b" as in "debt", "l" as in "should", "i" as in "parliament"
Easy.
posted by kyrademon at 6:28 AM on April 29 [8 favorites]
Easy.
posted by kyrademon at 6:28 AM on April 29 [8 favorites]
I always assumed it was pronounced with a hard g sound,. I think because of "ghost" and "Ghana".
posted by The Manwich Horror at 8:29 AM on April 29
posted by The Manwich Horror at 8:29 AM on April 29
i wasn't aware there was a debate given that the katakana is right there
posted by i used to be someone else at 8:35 AM on April 29
posted by i used to be someone else at 8:35 AM on April 29
yeah the standard Turns Out is that the canonical Japanese pronunciation is shown explicitly, but then the Double-Triple Turns Out is that the canonical Japanese pronunciation is not based on the pronunciations used in languages where the name is taken from
posted by DoctorFedora at 5:49 PM on April 29
posted by DoctorFedora at 5:49 PM on April 29
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