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November 7, 2002 1:42 PM   Subscribe

Newsfilter: 2003 Inductees to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame include Elvis Costello, The Police, AC/DC, The Righteous Brothers and the only band that matters, The Clash (sorry - no link that I declare decent). ABBA didn't make the the Hall's cut this year. MTV and CNN provide further reading. At last some bands that I can support. Coming next year: Black Flag?
posted by Joey Michaels (58 comments total)

 
Prince? Van Halen? Each released their first album in '78. 2003-1978 = 25, correct?
posted by mathis23 at 1:58 PM on November 7, 2002


It'll be a cold day in hell before we see Black Flag in the hall of fame, besides how punk rock would that be? For those that are unaware, Black Flag was a very late 70's through the 80's California punk band that influenced, well, just about every hard rock band since then. I can honestly say that My War single handedly changed my life as well.
posted by CoolHandPuke at 1:58 PM on November 7, 2002


Kudos to the Clash as well, they do not get nearly the credit they deserve.
posted by CoolHandPuke at 2:00 PM on November 7, 2002


no link that I declare decent

Here ya go.
posted by languagehat at 2:03 PM on November 7, 2002


Oh wait, Black Flag isn't just a roach spray?
posted by yerfatma at 2:05 PM on November 7, 2002


[cranky]

I'm sorry, the Police were a fair-to-middling enjoyable band, but tell me on what planet they possibly merit induction before Tom Waits? Not that I take the R&R Hall of Fame all that seriously as an institution, and not that I think Waits can be so easily categorized... but honestly. I mean, I've got no illusion that my own personal godfathers of Britpop (the Small Faces, the Jam) or others in the internationally-influential-but-shamefully-overlooked-in-America category (Neil Finn, I'm looking at you, darling) will ever get in, but hasn't Waits long since surpassed cult status?

And why is there no "burned briefly and brightly like a fiery comet before crashing and burning but still influencing the hell out of music" category for the likes of the Sex Pistols or Big Star?

And, yeah, howzabout Prince?

And where's George Harrison?

[/cranky]
posted by scody at 2:12 PM on November 7, 2002


finally i'll want to watch the induction concert: Elvis and the Clash and the Police too! (Talking Heads weren't good at all last year...)
posted by amberglow at 2:13 PM on November 7, 2002


and the only band that matters, The Clash.

truer words may have never been written.
posted by mapalm at 2:13 PM on November 7, 2002


A Black Flag where are they now
posted by dirtylittlemonkey at 2:15 PM on November 7, 2002


Aren't U2 eligible for a 2004 induction? That'll be nice.
posted by john1800 at 2:25 PM on November 7, 2002


I can't find a decent description of who originally called The Clash "the only band that matters" online. I am positive that I was quoting somebody, for the record.
posted by Joey Michaels at 2:32 PM on November 7, 2002


and the only band that matters, The Clash.
truer words may have never been written.


Pfui. The Clash = wildly overrated.

Don't get me started on Nirvana.

Flame on! :D
posted by UncleFes at 2:36 PM on November 7, 2002


scody you ignorant slut.

The Police were one of the great bands. They are easily the best band on this years list, including The Clash. Well maybe not easily over The Clash, but easily over the rest and slightly over The Clash.

If this means Andy, Stewart and Sting will play together again, even just a few songs, it'll be a good thing.
posted by Bonzai at 2:38 PM on November 7, 2002


Sandinista...best triple album ever, but I lost the original lyric sheet that came with it.
posted by strangeleftydoublethink at 2:50 PM on November 7, 2002


More on Black Flag: Floating Henry Rollins Head Haiku.
posted by MrMoonPie at 2:56 PM on November 7, 2002


Pfui. The Clash = wildly overrated.

are you trying to get killed? well? are you???
posted by mcsweetie at 2:58 PM on November 7, 2002


Police better than the Clash?? Heh. After the Beatles and possibly Stones, no better band than Strummer, Jones, et. al... as for the Jam, Scody -- it's a travesty that they're not better known.

(still shaking my head) Police better than the Clash.... Christ. Guess it's true: the public wants what the public gets, but I don't get what this society wants. I'm going underground...
posted by minnesotaj at 3:03 PM on November 7, 2002


P.S. -- I'll trade the Minneapolis punk of Husker Du and the Placemats for the Californians (DK, Black Flag) anyday. Still, the old SST days were sure fun, all the way 'round.
posted by minnesotaj at 3:05 PM on November 7, 2002


are you trying to get killed? well? are you???

Someone has to speak the truth around here!!

Kill me if you must! But the truth will live on despite my death! For the secret knowldge that, yes, the Clash are indeed wildly overrated lives within each of you. I know it does! I have seen it in your eyes!

Sure, you can silence me. You can deny my words, despite the awful power of the simple truth. But the overratedness of the Clash is a truth that will not die because one brave man has been cruelly murdered. Nay! Their overratedness shines like a beacon! It cannot be denied, any more than the sun can be denied to rise in the east, or the tides denied to ebb and flow.
posted by UncleFes at 3:11 PM on November 7, 2002


From the MTV source: Artists whose names were on the ballot but were not voted into the Hall include first-time contenders ABBA, Steve Winwood and Chic. Past nominees who again did not garner enough votes include Black Sabbath, Sex Pistols, Patti Smith, the MC5, Kraftwerk, Lynyrd Skynyrd and the Dells

I am surprised that any of the new inductees (with the possible exception of the Righteous Brothers) got in before some of these folks who didn't this year. I am also stunned (and pleased) to see MC5 on the ballot at all. Maybe there is hope for Alex Chilton and Big Star.
posted by Joey Michaels at 3:20 PM on November 7, 2002


Wow, MC5 on the ballot! I hope you're right, Joey, that that means there may be a tiny ray of hope for Big Star...

And Kraftwerk were actually nominated as well! Do you know how much money I would pay to see the audience reactions to a Kraftwerk induction performance? "Camera 1, go tight on Billy Joel's furrowed brow. Camera 2, pull back on David Geffen's attempt to robot-dance." Oh yes, quite a bit of money indeed.

minnesotaj, I'm coming over to your house after school to listen to records! (Used to fall in love with anyone, any guitar and any bass drum, life is a drink and you get drunk when you're young....)
posted by scody at 3:37 PM on November 7, 2002


Brothers and Sisters,
We must not judge Fes too harshly, as it is written somewhere in that original Sandinista lyric sheet. He was probably not introduced to enough methamphetamine as a youth. There is still time for him to hear London Calling, to welcome The Clash into his life, and to renounce Prog Rock in all its forms. Now let us come together and watch a tinny-sounding video clip of Joe Strummer and the Mescaleros doing London Calling.
posted by liam at 3:37 PM on November 7, 2002


Your damn right The Police are better than The Clash. I'll let you in on another secret The Stones are overrated too!

Don't take this to mean I don't think The Clash are great. They are. But comparing them to the greatest 3 piece rock band of all time would leave almost anyone wanting.

Your problem is you didn't listen to them in thier prime. You opinion has been washed out by Sting's solo work. That's like juding The Beatles based on Wings.
posted by Bonzai at 3:42 PM on November 7, 2002


It might sound hard to believe, but the Police were pretty highly regarded by the hepster set at one time. I still freak over the drumming of Stewart Copeland, and I don't imagine that I'm alone here.
posted by raysmj at 3:43 PM on November 7, 2002


Pfui. The Clash = wildly overrated.

Clueless Man in MetaFilter Palais. Thanks for letting me know that my favorite band isn't really my fav. Let me go get rid of those records. Joe Strummer might now be the only Rock'n'Roll icon that still matters (to me).

"The Only Band that Matters" was stickered on the front of London Calling. And I suppose that's not one of the all-time great rock photos, either.
posted by yerfatma at 3:44 PM on November 7, 2002


Ahem.

I'm pretty pleased with all the new inductees. There's room for the Police and the Clash in my life, it turns out. (And the Righteous Brothers, yes.)

But just talking about influence: Sabbath didn't get in? Kraftwerk isn't in? The past nominees aren't my favorite bands, but it just seems silly that some of them aren't in, given some of the other folks who are. Is there a pattern to who makes it and who doesn't?
posted by Trombone Borges at 3:46 PM on November 7, 2002


I like all of those bands a lot. Well, except ABBA. Probably 'cause my parents used to pump ABBA music into the Skinner box they kept me in until I was 15....

And Black Flag's Damaged? Purity of essence.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 3:47 PM on November 7, 2002


They turned down Chic? Blasphemy!
posted by timeistight at 3:54 PM on November 7, 2002


Kraftwerk absolutely should be there, The Model notwithstanding. Especially if Afrika Bambataa makes it in one day.
posted by turbodog at 3:55 PM on November 7, 2002


Ok, WTF? Black Sabbath isn't in the Rock 'n Roll Hall of Fame? How can it be called the "Rock 'n Roll Hall of Fame" then? I mean, all due respect to the inductees, but the only true rock band amongst them is AC/DC, and hell, they aren't all that. The rest are punk-rock posturers, intellectual whiners, reggae-come-latelies, and refugees from the oldies station.

Oh wait, I forgot.. it *is* in Ohio, after all. How could you expect them to get it right?
posted by dvdgee at 4:05 PM on November 7, 2002


Kudos to the Clash as well, they do not get nearly the credit they deserve.

Perhaps, but I imagine they get a decent royalty check for letting "London Calling" help sell Jaguars.

Now I'm just waiting for the next commercial:

White Fiat!
I wanna Fiat!
White Fiat!
A Fiat of my own!
posted by Ayn Marx at 4:06 PM on November 7, 2002


Don't take this to mean I don't think The Clash are great. They are. But comparing them to the greatest 3 piece rock band of all time would leave almost anyone wanting.

The Police as the greatest 3 piece? Thats a hoot, a virtual laugh riot if you will. You seem to be forgetting about The Jimi Hendrix Experience. If not, then I truly pity you.

If anyone can make a claim of a better 3 piece, it would surpise me.
posted by CoolHandPuke at 4:11 PM on November 7, 2002


re: 3-piece: some of those early live recordings of cream were kickass. but that was before clapton found heroin and lost rock and roll.
posted by quonsar at 4:20 PM on November 7, 2002


You seem to be forgetting about The Jimi Hendrix Experience. If not, then I truly pity you.

I sure did. Although, I didn't so much forget as not realize that The JH Experience was only a 3 piece. But yeah, obviously Hendrix is the Greatest whatever he does.

Still, I can't think of another 2nd greatest 3 piece band of all time. (He said cautiously)
posted by Bonzai at 4:21 PM on November 7, 2002


Jimi was obviously a genius and was moreover the star of his band, whereas I think the Police's three musicians used balance, tension, and space more masterfully to create a much deeper music. As a musician, Jimi was better, but as for which trio was better I'd have to go with the Police.
posted by Ty Webb at 4:41 PM on November 7, 2002


Who cares about the R&R Hall Of Fame, anyway? I certainly don't.
posted by skinsuit at 4:51 PM on November 7, 2002


Fuck those people. Prince is too good for them. And he has a weblog and they don't. Righteous Brothers, my ass.
posted by anildash at 4:54 PM on November 7, 2002


At least no one argues with the EC induction. God, has he aged!
posted by ParisParamus at 5:08 PM on November 7, 2002


The Police??? What about XTC?
(First album in 1978, too.)
posted by D.C. at 5:12 PM on November 7, 2002


Elvis is King.
posted by dogwelder at 5:22 PM on November 7, 2002


Earlier in their career, REM was often called "The Only Band That Mutters"
posted by dhacker at 5:46 PM on November 7, 2002


Great 3 piece bands (better than Police)

Cream
Stevie Ray and Double Trouble
The Jimi Hendrix Experience

Police ???? Not in the same galaxy.
posted by mygoditsbob at 6:04 PM on November 7, 2002


The only Elvis that matters.

I'm just happy that The Specials are eligible for the next go-around.
posted by Monk at 6:20 PM on November 7, 2002


Once again the King of LSD Country & Western has been overlooked. Is there no justice in this once great land?
posted by mrhappy at 6:33 PM on November 7, 2002


... Elvis Costello, <a href="http://www.sting.com/">The Police</a>, AC/DC...

Ouch, ouch, ouch.

Nice post otherwise.
posted by kurumi at 6:46 PM on November 7, 2002


kurumi: I would have posted a Police specific link, but I didn't like any of them. I still haven't seen a Clash link that I like. The Sting link at least mentioned the induction, so it seemed to make sense. Seemed...
posted by Joey Michaels at 7:38 PM on November 7, 2002


In 2020, this is the band who'll be inducted to the R'n'R HoF - or there'll be hell to pay...
posted by dash_slot- at 7:46 PM on November 7, 2002


I'm sorry, that was completely unacceptable...but great fun to do!
posted by dash_slot- at 7:48 PM on November 7, 2002


I don't consider the Jimi Hendrix Experience and SRV and Double Trouble real trios. The titular members were the end all, be all. The other 4 guys really aren't Hall of Fame worthy.

A real HoF-worthy trio in my book is Rush. C'mon, Geddy, Neil and Alex are already all in their individual instrument Halls of Fame.
posted by turbodog at 8:02 PM on November 7, 2002


After the disappointment with the 'Heads last year, I've learned not to look forward to these things. I mean, I would kill to see these inductees in concert in their prime, but now, geez...
As for claims of "worthiness", people, get over yourselves. For one, each of the inductees would be considered deserving to the vast majority of people (and that includes the wankers who think technical proficiency alone equals worth).
And two, who cares? It's a meaningless hall-of-fame pseudohonour. Does induction suddenly impart worth? Was "Watching the Detectives" crap before this? Or "Train in Vain"? Does not being included somehow make a band unworthy of notice? Please. Just like those "Top 100 of All Time" lists, what's truly meaningless here is the exercise itself. The music always was, and will forever remain, timeless.

(and the next person to disparage my favourite band - my login should make it obvious - consider yourself warned)
posted by GhostintheMachine at 5:16 AM on November 8, 2002


minnesotaj wrote, P.S. -- I'll trade the Minneapolis punk of Husker Du and the Placemats for the Californians (DK, Black Flag) anyday. Still, the old SST days were sure fun, all the way 'round.

the replacements ought to make it in the rock and roll hall of fame way before Black Flag. if there were no replacements there'd be no uncle tupelo, wilco, son volt, whiskeytown, whiskeytown, ryan adams (i could go on and on)

and isn't ol' Hank hosting some robot show on the discovery channel now? that's so punk rock.
posted by jodic at 5:48 AM on November 8, 2002


Still No Skynyrd.

*sniff*

Fes, brothaman, I love hoary old stadium rock as much as you do, but I gotta coax ya, give The Clash another listen. If you're judging them by the MTV stuff like "Rock the Casbah" they may seem a tad overrated. But grab a copy of the debut and you'll see what the fuss is about. "White Man In Hammersmith Palais," "Garageland," "Clash City Rockers" all rock like suzabitches, but if anything this is the band that moved punk beyond fetishizing primitivism for it's own sake. Plus they cover "I Fought The Law." I'm a simian brotha fes, I wouldn't steer ya wrong.

Hooray on AC/DC making the cut. Mark my words, along with Mötörhead and the Ramones AC/Dc are the missing link between punk and metal. I sure hope angus shows up to pick up the award in his schoolboy getup. The Hall would do well to invest in this thing of beauty as well, if ya ask me.
posted by jonmc at 5:57 AM on November 8, 2002


Ok, WTF? Black Sabbath isn't in the Rock 'n Roll Hall of Fame? How can it be called the "Rock 'n Roll Hall of Fame" then?

Hey, don't blame the Hall of Fame, man. Blame Ozzy. He keeps asking that their name be removed from the ballot because HoF voting isn't done by the fans. HoF rules don't allow them to do that, but I tend to believe the writers continue not to vote for the band in reaction to Ozzy's wish not to be included, not because they don't fee the band is worthy.

By the way - if you ever get the chance to visit the museum itself, go ... regardless of how you might feel about any of those who have/have not been inducted (or even the whole induction thing), they've built the best, most fun, most interesting history of Pop Culture that I've ever experienced. Its a great museum, which doesn't only focus on the "big stars" but also on the more obscure "roots" musicians who are the reason that we have all these various artists to fight about in the first place.

PS: The Hall of Fame without the Sex Pistols might as well not even mention Punk.
posted by anastasiav at 6:50 AM on November 8, 2002


You can say what you want about the Hall of Fame, but the Police deserve some respect. All three of them did imaginative, original, influential things instrumentally, they wrote a lot of great songs, and they managed to rock pretty hard. I agree with Bonzai that Sting's solo work, which is an awfully different kind of music, has clouded people's memories. If you haven't listened to the earlier Police recordings then check out the Message in a Box collection and give them another chance. A late disclaimer: I didn't like the Police at all when they were still together and getting top 40 hits. But I was ten. I've grown.
posted by Songdog at 10:08 AM on November 8, 2002


PS: The Hall of Fame without the Sex Pistols might as well not even mention Punk.

Ditto.
posted by oh posey at 10:32 AM on November 8, 2002


Paul Simenon of the clash has just now appeared on BBC1's 'Later with Jules Holland' (for those that don't get BBC1, the ex-Squeeze keyboardist has a successful media career in the UK, hosting, accompanying and still touring non-stop).
He is back at his first love - painting - and sounds just a little the worse for wear. Maybe he'll never play again, who knows.
But, y'know, as I always say about Paul McCartney: I can forgive him almost any thing now - he made his contribution back in the day. And what a contribution it was!
posted by dash_slot- at 4:29 PM on November 8, 2002


Greatest 3-piece band? Minutemen!
posted by languagehat at 5:13 PM on November 8, 2002


Languagehat: Greatest 3-piece band? Minutemen!

Now you're cooking with gas! D. Boon and the boys were great. Firehose wasn't too shabby either...
posted by Joey Michaels at 5:35 PM on November 8, 2002


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