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August 17, 2003 6:09 PM   Subscribe

Schwarzenegger caught in lie about affair, statutory rape. After years of speculation and denials by both parties, Arnold Schwarzenegger's longtime "avenue of relaxation" and partner in outerwear spills the beans to British television. The affair was first alleged by Lacy H. Rich, Jr., a source of pictures and information for the infamous Spy Magazine article. In 1995, with his health deteriorating and the mainstream media ignoring his full allegations, Rich made numerous posts to Usenet with claims such as drug use, a longtime affair with Gigi that started when she was 16, car theft, and even prostituting himself to Paco Arce, a gay Spanish millionaire with an interest in bodybuilders. More plo chops, anyone?!
posted by insomnia_lj (39 comments total)

 
"Sure," she said, "he will sometimes grab a woman's ass and say, like, 'Hey, you've got a nice ass,' but it is just, like, his way of making them feel better."

It must be the accent, 'cause when I try that I get slapped.
posted by mr_crash_davis at 6:25 PM on August 17, 2003


Schwarzenegger's a douchebag? Really? I hadn't heard. Thanks for bringing this to my attention.

Can we stop with the California gubernatorial race FPPs? The bulk of us don't live in California. I have my own asshat governor to worry about and I couldn't work myself up to caring if California elected Halie Selassie, Ike Turner or Buck Mulligan. Enough!
posted by Mayor Curley at 6:28 PM on August 17, 2003


Dammit... outercourse. I meant outercourse. Still, it's interesting to see that claims of nude photos, an affair with Gigi, and the drug use have all been admitted to after the fact. Maybe it's time for Arnold to try doing what politicians should do -- preemptively tell the truth before we elect them. Heaven knows, if the truth is out there, it's certainly easier to find on the Internet than ever.

Weblogs -- the ultimate form of political lemon testing!
posted by insomnia_lj at 6:32 PM on August 17, 2003


Oh, for those interested in information about the original reports of Schwarzenegger's affair, it is mentioned here. The story also mentions the initial denials of the affair.
posted by insomnia_lj at 6:53 PM on August 17, 2003


Damn lj, you've really got it out for Arnold, don't ya? I'm beginning to see a pattern here.
posted by Dennis Murphy at 6:58 PM on August 17, 2003


he's a chump - the big meathead got jolly with a woman who lives right down the street from me while in minnesota filming jingle all the way - ho ho ho ... merry christmas maria.
posted by specialk420 at 6:59 PM on August 17, 2003


Angelyne's Platform: Honesty
posted by homunculus at 7:22 PM on August 17, 2003


It's not that I have it out for him so much as when I heard he was running in the race, I was curious about the allegations against him. I searched the web, and I found a lot of instances where Arnold initially lied about doing something, only to have to admit to it later when the evidence came forward. He did it with his drug use, with his nude pictures, and now with his affair.

As the Republicans said once upon a time... it's not the affair, it's the lying. I tend to agree. I wouldn't want to vote anyone into office with a "Clinton problem" which will eventually be exposed and leave them as a political liability. I also don't want someone in office whose track record for telling the truth is less-than-adequate.

If Schwarzenegger had been honest about his past, his candidacy could've healed the Clintonian rift in society, and maybe set a standard for politicians to be forthright about their past -- a political "lemon test" and an honest bill-of-goods that would benefit everyone.

Arnold didn't tell the truth, however, and we are all the poorer for it.
posted by insomnia_lj at 7:23 PM on August 17, 2003


Pictures of Gigi Goyette are online here and here, btw.
posted by insomnia_lj at 7:29 PM on August 17, 2003


It's not fair to tease, specialk420--do elaborate upon the big meathead got jolly with a woman who lives right down the street from me while in minnesota filming jingle all the way. We're all eyes here about this.
posted by y2karl at 7:34 PM on August 17, 2003


And yet another wannabe politician learns the hard way that his entire life really will be revealed during his candidacy. If I had a nickel for every candidate who ignored the warnings, got savaged, and never regained his/her former reputation, I'd be a millionaire by now.

Welcome to American politics, Arnold.
posted by swerve at 7:35 PM on August 17, 2003


Jesus Christ insomnia_lj, chill. We know by now how much of a big bad evil guy Ahnold is. You don't need to toot your own horn to make you feel better about your wife leaving you.
posted by angry modem at 7:36 PM on August 17, 2003


So is Arnold out then?
posted by crazy finger at 7:51 PM on August 17, 2003


"You don't need to toot your own horn to make you feel better about your wife leaving you."

Huh? My wife and I have been together for over a decade and is in the kitchen right now, thanks. We've had affairs, too -- we're just honest about them. Seeing republicans coming to the defence of one of theirs with a "Clinton problem" is pretty funny, I think...

As for whether this is important information, I don't think that can be denied. These allegations could significantly effect the governor's race for California -- the world's fifth largest economy. They should be out there for the voters to judge.
posted by insomnia_lj at 7:52 PM on August 17, 2003


just imagine if this were happening in a real state.
*shudder*
posted by quonsar at 7:58 PM on August 17, 2003


You don't need to toot your own horn to make you feel better about your wife leaving you.

My wife and I have been together for over a decade and is in the kitchen right now, thanks. We've had affairs, too -- we're just honest about them.

This thread just got weird(er).
posted by dhoyt at 8:14 PM on August 17, 2003


Seeing republicans coming to the defence of one of theirs with a "Clinton problem" is pretty funny, I think...

Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see a lot of enthusiastic support among Republicans for Arnold. I suspect that the "anybody but Grey Davis" crowd is driving this thing. Geez...Arnold's most visible supporters so far are Maria Shriver, Warren Buffet and Rob Lowe -- not exactly the mainstream Republican crowd.
posted by Durwood at 8:20 PM on August 17, 2003


I'm a little surprised but mostly amused that Arnold's critics haven't found more opportunities to casually remark on those nude photos originally being published in (shock!) a gay magazine (the now-defunct After Dark, the "magazine of entertainment"...)
posted by JollyWanker at 8:31 PM on August 17, 2003


Does insomniajj live just down the street from specialk420? 'Cause this whole thread would suddenly make sense.
posted by mr_crash_davis at 8:31 PM on August 17, 2003


We're all eyes here about this.

what's there to tell? i haven't seen her for a while, but when it went down she wasn't shy about coughing up the details on the one nighter with ahnuld.

she's pretty progressive - if push comes to shove i'm sure she'd consider sharing with the rest of the world her night with the terminator (i guess he wasn't "all that").

i personally don't have a problem with someone who has cheated on their wife running for office - if ahnuld is going to present himself as the pro-family/pro-child conservative choice he better come clean with his past dalliances and drug use .
posted by specialk420 at 8:36 PM on August 17, 2003


I've mentioned that they were originally in After Dark, but a lot of people haven't. I've even see some sites that did mention it prevaricate by calling After Dark "an art magazine".

The truth of the matter is that being a professional bodybuilder is expensive, and back in the late '60s and early '70s, many bodybuilders made extra income in all sorts of ways -- gay films, pornography, prostitution, and service as male escorts were commonplace ways of doing this.

“Tommy, what the fuck is this? I spend this much every week just on vitamins.” - Arnold Schwarzenegger, 1973 upon receiving the $1000 award for winning the Mr. Olympia competition, the highest title in professional bodybuilding.
posted by insomnia_lj at 8:42 PM on August 17, 2003


Christ, am I ever tired of US-centric political posts on MeFi. This is certainly not "the best and most interesting of the web". I don't live in the USA, I don't give a good crap about US regional elections anymore, if I ever did... if this were the first post on the topic, it might be interesting, but I'm begging all of you to just leave it alone, okay? Leave the pro/anti democrat/republican stuff in your personal blogs, please. This seriously makes me long for the days of hamster dance.
posted by Jairus at 9:43 PM on August 17, 2003


just leave it alone

say jairus ... the web is a big place ... if you don't like whats currently on the front page of metafilter i can suggest some links for ya... this issue is actually of some importance for california, and vis a vis the united states (and therefore unfortunately the world). I personally would vote for more posts on the political front from other countries (yours included) as well.
posted by specialk420 at 10:27 PM on August 17, 2003


Well, the subject is the most well known male face in the world...

Hey, insomnia_lj, was Arnold with Joe Weider at that 1972 Mr. Olympia contest in Baghdad? So, has he been there twice now?
posted by y2karl at 10:30 PM on August 17, 2003


"Christ, am I ever tired of US-centric political posts on MeFi."

I hear that N'gudu'ku'luchu is running for tribal elder. It'll only cost you a goat and a gourd to get in on the vote.
posted by mr_crash_davis at 10:54 PM on August 17, 2003


"The truth of the matter is that being a professional bodybuilder is expensive, and back in the late '60s and early '70s, many bodybuilders made extra income in all sorts of ways -- gay films, pornography, prostitution, and service as male escorts were commonplace ways of doing this. "

Could I get a source for this statement?
posted by dgaicun at 11:39 PM on August 17, 2003


Jairus, you might be interested to know that your complaint was already trotted out in Metatalk.
posted by Lynsey at 12:22 AM on August 18, 2003


I don't live in the USA, I don't give a good crap about US regional elections anymore, if I ever did..

Amazingly, a majority of Americans feel the same way and do not bother to vote.
posted by rough ashlar at 12:26 AM on August 18, 2003


"Could I get a source for this statement?"

Ok... though some of the links I will give aren't worksafe!

One good source is this article on Ken Sprague, also known as the Colt model Dakota. Ken is a bodybuilder and owned Gold's Gym near Venice Beach, which is pretty much the heart of the early US bodybuilding movement. It touches on what it was like at the time.

And a similar article/interview with Jim Cassidy, another well-known bodybuilder who made it rich in the porn industry.

Or this article by Chris Shugart, a well-known writer on bodybuilding:
"Competitive bodybuilding is a tad gay.... An insider in the pro community once pointed to a photo of the top ten bodybuilders and said he knew at least four of them had sucked dick for money"

Or this site or this post which documents bodybuilders that posed nude and did gay porn movies.

As just one example, there was a porno called Like a Horse that featured a former Mr. Olympia from that era, Bob Birdsong.
posted by insomnia_lj at 1:25 AM on August 18, 2003


Man, thats a frontpage post right there. Thanks!
posted by dgaicun at 6:34 AM on August 18, 2003


"Competitive bodybuilding is a tad gay.... An insider in the pro community once pointed to a photo of the top ten bodybuilders and said he knew at least four of them had sucked dick for money"

So does this mean that Arnold would get the gay vote?
posted by tomplus2 at 8:37 AM on August 18, 2003


I accuse Arnold Scharzenegger of:
Going AWOL from the army and serving time in the brig for it
This is no secret and part of his spun legend too.

So is Arnold out then?No, Several months ago the muscleman-turned-actor emerged as a leading Republican contender for governor of California -- but earlier this week, after we called his representative for comment, the star made a surprise announcement that he won't enter politics until his youngsters, ages 3 to 11, are older. Published on: April 26, 2001
posted by thomcatspike at 9:18 AM on August 18, 2003


the star made a surprise announcement that he won't enter politics until his youngsters, ages 3 to 11, are older

well, that one isn't a lie--the next day they were older!
posted by batboy at 11:01 AM on August 18, 2003


Apparently, another British paper has gone public with yet another Arnold Schwarzenegger affair... this despite the fact that a libel case is a lot easier to win over there.

Also, this interesting nugget:

"The roots of Arnold’s attitude to women lie far away in his homeland of Austria. When his father, Gustav, observed that the 17-year-old Arnold had never had a girlfriend and was obsessed by bodybuilding — an activity which has always had gay connotations — he became worried about his sexuality.


So he did all he could to encourage Arnold to bring girls to their home in Graz; he gave them wine then left them alone together, hoping that the inevitable would happen."

posted by insomnia_lj at 9:54 AM on August 19, 2003


Arnold managed to sustain simultaneous relationships with Sue and Maria for more than a year, also dallying with other women along the way. One of them gave him a venereal disease. ‘I was outraged,’ remembers Sue. ‘Arnold just said: “Look, what if I came and gave you a cold — would you be outraged? You know I sleep with other people.”

‘He turned it on me, telling me that I was outrageous even thinking there was anything wrong about getting a venereal disease from him.’


Maria Shriver is definitely a Kennedy wife--just like Jackie, Ethel and Rose. That is one juicy article, insomnia_lj.
posted by y2karl at 11:28 AM on August 19, 2003


Could someone please explain the plo chops thing? My sleep-deprived brain just doesn't get it, and I've even tried saying it out loud.


posted by kayjay at 10:03 PM on August 19, 2003


Could someone please explain the plo chops thing? My sleep-deprived brain just doesn't get it, and I've even tried saying it out loud.

This is what you're looking for. Say it in a really thick Arnold accent and it should make sense, too.
posted by nath at 10:50 PM on August 19, 2003


This is what you're looking for. Say it in a really thick Arnold accent and it should make sense, too.

Um, I already read that. I pronounced it out loud, with the accent. I still don't get it.


<five minute pause>

Oh.

<hysterical laughter>

I really gotta stop reading this so damn late at night.
posted by kayjay at 9:04 PM on August 20, 2003


This editorial in today's New York TImes (Google copy--no registration required), My Lesson From Mr. Olympia, dwells on the mind fucking Arnold of Pumping Iron, who would do anything he could to demolish his opponents' resolve and concentration. It reminded me of A Question of Character: The Objectivist Versus The Machiavellian, which compares the competiton approaches of the body builder Mike Mentzer to those of Schwarzenegger.

Instead of helping him or even politely declining to offer advice, Arnold instead deliberately chose to sabotage the bodybuilder's chances of winning or even placing in the contest by betraying his confidence (i.e., by deliberately misleading him under the guise of appearing to be his benefactor) and negating whatever serious efforts and preparations the bodybuilder had put into preparing for his first contest. In all likelihood, this individual never competed in bodybuilding again. As this bodybuilder was an amateur, and thus not a threat to Arnold in terms of being a competitor at the Mr. Olympia level of development, one might well wonder why Arnold would feel the need to act so maliciously and what benefit Arnold could have derived from subjecting the young man (and his psyche) to such public humiliation.

To this end, Mentzer never attempted to undercut or sabotage his competition -in bodybuilding, business or life. In fact, he would often go out of his way to lend his genuine support to others, to help them achieve their goals and to build on their achievements. Not to mislead you, Mentzer's benevolence in such matters was not motivated by altruism; it was rather because he wanted to do his part to live in a world of rational achievement and enlightened self-interest; for he knew that if he could help to raise the standard of bodybuilding, his actions -- rather than holding him back - would instead motivate him to become even better. The maxim "a high-tide lifts all ships" finds application here.

Despite the denial, that does sound altruistic--a high-tide lifts all ships certainly is not your common every day Objectivism.. Arnold comes across a manipulative sadist. Perhaps that helps in politics--I doubt it does in economics. God, he sounds like a prick.
posted by y2karl at 10:04 AM on August 22, 2003


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