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Er ... thanks, just what I, er, wanted. Hate the sweater you were given for Christmas? It could have been worse ... far, far ,worse.
posted by essexjan (48 comments total) 1 user marked this as a favorite

 
It's not the sweaters. It's those SLACKS! Even Alice Cooper outgrew that look way back in the '70s. ;-P
posted by mischief at 5:58 AM on December 28, 2003


And the model looks so HAPPY about being there.
posted by rough ashlar at 6:16 AM on December 28, 2003


somebody forced her to wear the sweaters on Xmas day i suppose.
posted by Sijeka at 6:25 AM on December 28, 2003


[singing] "Like a rhinestone cowboy..."
posted by dakotadusk at 6:32 AM on December 28, 2003


Okay, here's a fun game...

Identify the one photo in which the model has a noticably different pose, and how that pose is, in fact, different.

It's like a spot the difference.
posted by sycophant at 6:33 AM on December 28, 2003


At first, I thought this was an 80's nostalgia site, what with the glasses and the pants. Then I realized it wasn't. Far, far worse indeed.
posted by tommasz at 6:45 AM on December 28, 2003


"veiw"?
posted by azul at 6:46 AM on December 28, 2003


i spotted the difference!

tommasz - it *is* irony. go to the url root. she's an art student. wish she'd fix the spelling mistakes tho.

i like the orange one best.
posted by andrew cooke at 6:47 AM on December 28, 2003


I, too, was enthralled by those hot gold slacks. That, and the bad posture.

As a sidenote - I've been predictive of the most nonsensical links on MeFi for the past few days... I'll visit something randomly just a few hours before someone makes an FPP about it. Weird.
posted by phylum sinter at 7:01 AM on December 28, 2003


At first I thought this was an awesome page some woman put together to showcase her terrifying collection of hideous sweaters evil people had gotten her over the years. I sat her stunned and said, "Wow, she even found gold pants to make the sweaters look worse!"

But this woman is for real?

I sit here praying this is one of those trendy ironic sites that I'm just not cool enough to get.
posted by KnitWit at 7:37 AM on December 28, 2003


http://www.lesliehall.com/8-leslie%20.html#

leslie brought back the dizzel in dazzel...lol.
posted by billybobtoo at 7:57 AM on December 28, 2003


Rather unbelievable that those were not digitally faked up, innit?
posted by adamgreenfield at 8:09 AM on December 28, 2003


I sit here praying this is one of those trendy ironic sites that I'm just not cool enough to get.

it is.
posted by mdn at 8:33 AM on December 28, 2003


Identify the one photo in which the model has a noticably different pose, and how that pose is, in fact, different.

it's red curry fire, ain't it? she's covering up the tips of her fingers.
posted by mcsweetie at 8:44 AM on December 28, 2003


haha fat people are funny!

what an enormous gold behind!
posted by the fire you left me at 8:54 AM on December 28, 2003


it's red curry fire, ain't it? she's covering up the tips of her fingers.

I am sorry Mcsweetie, that is not the answer I was looking for. Would you care to guess again?
posted by sycophant at 9:02 AM on December 28, 2003


In Babies' Bonnet, the right hand covers the left. And yeah, this is one of those terribly artsy and ironic deals. Still, I spent a good ten minutes poking around, so Leslie Hall - 1, Internet - 0.
posted by pineapple at 9:09 AM on December 28, 2003


it's babies bonnet innit?
posted by dabitch at 9:12 AM on December 28, 2003


*argh*
posted by dabitch at 9:12 AM on December 28, 2003


I sit here praying this is one of those trendy ironic sites that I'm just not cool enough to get.

Actually, consider yourself too cool to be comfortable enjoying it. At least that's how this site and other ones like it, make me feel. Call it "irony" or "art" or whatever you want, but is it really anything more than a sophisticated version of picking on the "uncool?"

I'm really tired of that shit in real life and I find it just as distasteful on the internet.
posted by jonmc at 9:27 AM on December 28, 2003


i don't think it is that sophisticated a picking on the uncool. i think the spelling mistakes are probably real. i think the clunky class reunion site is probably real. and i think it helps that woman looks pretty normal - she's not some cliche of an anorexic upper middle class intellectual. in other words, i think she's close enough to the world she's laughing (smiling?) for it not to be cruel and mocking. so i think it is cool to enjoy it.

but if you're tired of the crap then that's cool too - get yourself to your local museum and admire what the dead white guys did... ;o) (or check out plep, which nearly always has beautiful stuff)

hmmm. according to my memory and google, plep exists. however, i can't reach it at the moment.
posted by andrew cooke at 9:47 AM on December 28, 2003


I'm really tired of that shit in real life and I find it just as distasteful on the internet.

I agree with you completely. It's tiring to watch people pretend to be into bands because they think its ironic to listen to their music, or grow mullets as a joke.
posted by drezdn at 10:26 AM on December 28, 2003


Actually, consider yourself too cool to be comfortable enjoying it.

therein lies the true irony.
posted by mcsweetie at 10:38 AM on December 28, 2003


haha fat people are funny!

the model is the artist. I don't think she's making fun of her weight. She's making fun of the pose and the facial expression and the pants and the gemstone sweaters. Although I get the sense that she's warmly making fun of the sweaters. I mean, she seems to appreciate them on some level.
posted by mdn at 10:56 AM on December 28, 2003


I... I had no idea Mimi had a sister!
posted by ilsa at 11:02 AM on December 28, 2003


I agree with you completely. It's tiring to watch people pretend to be into bands because they think its ironic to listen to their music, or grow mullets as a joke.

Amen. Especially, if the stuff they're goofing on is stuff you genuinely like. Ultimately, what's truly off-putting about that whole schtick is that it requires an innate sense of one's own superiority to pull off, and conciet and snobbery are generally unattractive traits.

It may be aesthetic heresy to say this, but I'd rather enjoy something corny, sentimental, and dumb but sincere than something intelligent and well-executed but ironic and cynical. No matter how technically brilliant it may be, it just seems poisonous. I just can't feel good about doing the whole point-and-laugh routine, no matter how it's dressed up.
posted by jonmc at 11:02 AM on December 28, 2003


She's making fun of the pose and the facial expression and the pants and the gemstone sweaters. Although I get the sense that she's warmly making fun of the sweaters. I mean, she seems to appreciate them on some level.

Who knows, maybe she is. But it isn't always the artists intent that get's me uncomfortable about this type of thing. Look at some of the responses here. I'm sure there's plenty of people out there in internet-land winking and nudging and rolling their eyes saying "the poor thing dosen't know how dumb she looks, haha."

To give a clearer example, Tom Jones. The guy has a nice set of pipes and seems to have fun on stage and "What's New Pussycat" always gets me singing along on the car radio, but I remember there was a vogue in the mid-nineties of people buying his records because they were "so bad they were good" and that kind of crap. Those kind of people make my stomach quease.
posted by jonmc at 11:09 AM on December 28, 2003


My question is: how on earth is it that the model's hair and make-up are almost exactly alike in each image? Those are pullover sweaters, folks, and noooobody's hair stays tidy after dragging a pullover sweater over the hair-do.

Or maybe...they button up in the back?

And of course, snaps to the stylist.
posted by datawrangler at 12:19 PM on December 28, 2003


Who knows, maybe she is. But it isn't always the artists intent that get's me uncomfortable about this type of thing. Look at some of the responses here. I'm sure there's plenty of people out there in internet-land winking and nudging and rolling their eyes saying "the poor thing dosen't know how dumb she looks, haha."

THOUGHT CRIME! THOUGHT CRIME!

Puh-leeeze! Guess what? People laugh at each other - it's a fact of life. Some things are ironically amusing, period. This woman clearly thinks that these sweaters are "so bad they're good," AND enjoys (gasp!) poking fun at herself in the process! Lighten up already.

Thin-skinned people who actually bother whining about that are the ones who "make my stomach quease" - whatever that's supposed to mean.

posted by MaxVonCretin at 12:29 PM on December 28, 2003


MaxVonCretin:

"Irony has only emergency use. Carried over time, it is the voice of the trapped who have come to enjoy their cage." This is because irony, entertaining as it is, serves an almost exclusively negative function. It's critical and destructive, a ground-clearing. Surely this is the way our postmodern fathers saw it. But irony's singularly unuseful when it comes to constructing anything to replace the hypocrisies it debunks. This is why Hyde seems right about persistent irony being tiresome. It is unmeaty. Even gifted ironists work best in sound bites.

Saying it better than I could.
posted by jonmc at 12:48 PM on December 28, 2003


With respect to the link -- Rule #1 of comedy: it's half as funny the second time you say/do it -- everybody's doing things like this lately.

As for irony, I sympathize with jonmc: there's no joy in it and world-wearniness starts to wear on you after a while.
posted by cardboard at 1:03 PM on December 28, 2003


there's no joy in it and world-wearniness starts to wear on you after a while.

Especially, since most of the "been there, done that" crowd have been nowhere and done nothing.

NTM, it's a self-defeating posture. I recently heard someone say that his life got better once he stopped being a know-it-all, because once you admit you don't know everything, that's when you can learn something. But the fact that fake world-weariness has become the acme of cool means that a lot of people may never reach that point.
posted by jonmc at 1:07 PM on December 28, 2003


aughaughaughaugh!
posted by quonsar at 2:20 PM on December 28, 2003


Kids today, don't know they're born. In my day we were sarcastic because it was all that we had. Cruel irony was the last remaing crust in the bread bin of comedy. I blame Thatcher, and Benny Hill.

I still find it amusing that I was bitter and cynical in my teens, yet my twenties were wide eyed and naive.
posted by inpHilltr8r at 3:00 PM on December 28, 2003


once you admit you don't know everything, that's when you can learn something

Truer words were never spoke. The more I realize how little I know, the more I value what genuine understanding I can manage to achieve. And irony, while occasionally a useful response to one's surroundings, has zero nutritional value.
posted by languagehat at 3:19 PM on December 28, 2003


Um... I actually think many of those sweaters look good on her. Come to think of it, she's not bad-looking either (could be the glasses). I can understand how she's not your typical model, but frankly I think she's a far sight more attractive than the airbrushed catalog models I see all over the place.

(Yes I know I'm a freak. And she should at least change those pants out for some comfy jeans or something.)
posted by wanderingmind at 4:26 PM on December 28, 2003


Come to think of it, she's not bad-looking either (could be the glasses).....Yes I know I'm a freak.

Nahh, I think she's cute too, but I have something of a frump fetish.
posted by jonmc at 4:50 PM on December 28, 2003


thank you for not linking to the artist's bio. i really didn't need to see her "foot wart", especially not whilst enjoying a mars bar.
posted by pxe2000 at 4:50 PM on December 28, 2003


What the hell???

I liked a lot of the sweaters. I'm not into gold pants and she'd look great if she smiled, but otherwise, I just don't get this site at all.
posted by alumshubby at 7:06 PM on December 28, 2003


All I can say is, the 49er's called, they want their nose guard back. ;)
posted by Venux at 9:45 PM on December 28, 2003


My musical tribute to Sweater Girl. (4.8mb, 160kbps, 3 shades of awful)
posted by tpoh.org at 10:29 PM on December 28, 2003


I'm really tired of that shit in real life and I find it just as distasteful on the internet.

Vocal disgust with irony in 2003 fills the same cultural place that ironic mullets and trucker hats did in 1998. Being tired of irony is, in fact, the new irony.

Try as you might, you can't escape the hipster apparatus. You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike...
posted by monkey.pie.baker at 3:01 AM on December 29, 2003


Meanwhile, I clicked on jonmc's link, and got a 404 error.

...Talk about ironic!
posted by Fofer at 4:04 AM on December 29, 2003


I'm a bit weary of irony and complaining about irony but most of all...

once you admit you don't know everything, that's when you can learn something

I'm tired of complaining about irony with a really tired cliche.

--jeddings, waiting for the irony about the cliched complaint of irony...
posted by jeddings at 7:15 AM on December 29, 2003


I dont understand what people are getting so upset about. This girl went to high school in Ames, Iowa, and probably grew up seeing a lot of people in gemed sweaters and think they're cool. Whether it's "cool-cool" or "uncool-cool" is irrelevant. She saw in it a way to express and entertain herself.

I, too grew up in Iowa and came to love mesh caps. I collected them, wore them, shared them, and poked some fun at them, but it wasn't an exercise in pretention or irony. I got sick of it when the hats became so ubiquitous this year, but that's how trends go.

What's so offputting to everyone about highlighting a weird thing? Why are you calling her a know-it-all and a hipster? She's a collector. If she plays it for laughs, more power to her. It's completely beyond me anyone sees this is some annoying posture.
posted by ubermesh at 7:46 AM on December 29, 2003


so were y'all more disgusted, less disgusted, or just as disgusted by the monobrow post?
posted by mcsweetie at 8:00 AM on December 29, 2003


What's so offputting to everyone about highlighting a weird thing? Why are you calling her a know-it-all and a hipster? She's a collector. If she plays it for laughs, more power to her. It's completely beyond me anyone sees this is some annoying posture.

ubermesh, it may have more to do with peoples response than the intent of the author. Look at the first four comments in this thread for example.

Now, obviously, this is not something I stay up nights worrying about, but it's just something that occurred to me. Plus the sweaters look a lot like the ones my mother-in-law makes and wears, which while not my taste, seem to mean a lot to her. Plus, hanging out on the web and living in New York, you see a lot of ironic posturing, which starts to grate after a while.

Also here's the corrected link
posted by jonmc at 8:10 AM on December 29, 2003


I'd be lying if I said I didn't think there were pretentious and cynical fashion parodies out there, but my sense is that this ISN'T one of them (even if she's an art student).

I think the test of these things, jonmc, is whether your mother-in-law herself finds it offensive or belittling to her. My guess is she would find it curious but fun and ultimately rewarding (which was the response of my grandfather-in-law, a farmer, to my mesh cap collection and website).
posted by ubermesh at 8:48 AM on December 29, 2003


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