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October 20, 2004 9:39 AM   Subscribe

Followup: Jon Stewart post-Crossfire
posted by Pretty_Generic (39 comments total)

 
"Tomorrow, I will go back to being funny, but your show will still blow."

Indeed.
posted by mr_crash_davis at 10:07 AM on October 20, 2004


Crossfire Responds.
posted by Dr_Octavius at 10:48 AM on October 20, 2004


So far, Monday and Tuesday night's Daily Shows including references to the whole thing...i'm thinking he'll do it all week.
posted by amberglow at 10:52 AM on October 20, 2004


oop-included.
posted by amberglow at 10:53 AM on October 20, 2004


Tomorrow, I will go back to being funny

!
posted by reklaw at 11:17 AM on October 20, 2004


"Let me say something about Jon Stewart. I don't think he's funny. And I know he's uninformed," Novak said, peering meaningfully at the audience.

Oh, this should be good...
posted by Cyrano at 11:25 AM on October 20, 2004


I just hope Jon Stewart doesn't get too smug (I love the guy, but he needs to more or less shut up about it now - let it speak for itself). He runs the risk of undoing his good deed if he does.
posted by biscotti at 11:28 AM on October 20, 2004


They forgot the rest of Novak's quote: "I don't think he's funny. And I know he's uninformed. For instance, I'm sure he doesn't know the following people are undercover CIA agents."
posted by aaronetc at 11:32 AM on October 20, 2004


Tomorrow I shall be sober, and you will still be ugly.
posted by kenko at 11:32 AM on October 20, 2004


He might stick with it for another day or two, but I'd bet at this point he's getting tired of that particular incident. Especially considering that they obviously didn't get his point, if the echo this week from the show is any indication.

The problem of hack mouthpiece un-journalism persists. That's the point I think he was trying to make, and he'd do good to stay on topic with it and not get into some beltway version of Tupac-Biggie.
posted by chicobangs at 11:36 AM on October 20, 2004


some beltway version of Tupac-Biggie

I'm not sure that anyone would pour a 40 on the curb if Tucker Carlson caught a few in the chest.
posted by uncleozzy at 11:51 AM on October 20, 2004


related to last week's FPP, where's a good, free, source of torrents now that Suprnova's gone to registration?
posted by notsnot at 11:51 AM on October 20, 2004


I'm not sure that anyone would pour a 40 on the curb if Tucker Carlson caught a few in the chest.

You kidding? Bowtie futures would go in the toilet, and Bush would need a new, erm, butt boy.
posted by chicobangs at 12:15 PM on October 20, 2004


notsnot: You sure you're at the actual suprnova and not one of the sites trying to get your info for nefarious purposes?

Oh, and politics, politics politics (politics) politics*.


* - Politics
posted by ODiV at 12:20 PM on October 20, 2004


What's the matter Crossfire? Can't take a little criticism? Aw, look at the big, bad news program! I think it's going to cry! You going to cry, Crossfire?
posted by Joey Michaels at 12:22 PM on October 20, 2004


now that Suprnova's gone to registration?

? I just went there and had no problem. You do mean .org, right?
posted by PinkStainlessTail at 12:29 PM on October 20, 2004


The other thing, uncleozzy, is that Tucker Carlson wouldn't be mourned because there are a thousand little bowtie weasely parrots just like him waiting to take his place if he goes down.

They grow the things in pods, fergodsake. They're all a bunch of obsequious little 35-year-old Eddie Haskells who do exactly as they're told (and nothing else, of course) and who haven't had an original thought in their whole extended-middle-school lives.

Novak, on the other hand, is infinitely more old-school, and rather more evil. His tentacles reach deep under the surface, and we've only seen the surface of how dirty he's willing to play.

If Kerry wins the election, Novak should go up on treason charges for what he's done in merely covering his own ass.
posted by chicobangs at 12:40 PM on October 20, 2004


Oh, some folks (Bush supporters, mostly, I think - as if Stewart weren't go after the show in its entirety, and just Carlson) are all over the web spouting talking points or proto-talking points re this incident, including Drudge's claiming that the show's ratings have declined. Also, there's the idea that the celebrity's opinions mean nothing, etc. It's all very tiresome to read. It's just so much blah-blah.
posted by raysmj at 1:10 PM on October 20, 2004


Hey, I heard that Jon Stewart is uninformed. Anyone else hear that?
posted by oncogenesis at 2:05 PM on October 20, 2004


from the article doc ock linked to:

"I think he's funny," said Carville. "I just think he's a pompous ass."

wow. my head's exploding.

and what's with novak "peering meaningfully" at the audience? is he using the power of mental thinking on them or something?
posted by lord_wolf at 2:08 PM on October 20, 2004


related to last week's FPP, where's a good, free, source of torrents now that Suprnova's gone to registration?
Torrents for all things Daily Show are available here. You do need to register, but I'm not sure why that's an issue?
And as PinkStainlessTail pointed out suprnova is not registration, you probably just went to .com instead of .org by mistake.
posted by chill at 2:10 PM on October 20, 2004


What a funny media-loving monkey.
posted by adampsyche at 2:22 PM on October 20, 2004


From Dr_Oc's linked article:

"I think he's funny," said Carville. "I just think he's a pompous ass."

Ahem.
posted by alumshubby at 2:37 PM on October 20, 2004


Hey, I heard that Jon Stewart is uninformed. Anyone else hear that?

Nope. Never heard that. But I did hear that [ peers meaningfully at the audience ], which was a lot more surprising.
posted by soyjoy at 2:38 PM on October 20, 2004


Oh, shoot, lord_wolf, sorry 'bout that.
posted by alumshubby at 2:40 PM on October 20, 2004


[peers meaningfully at alumshubby]

no sweat.
posted by lord_wolf at 2:54 PM on October 20, 2004


I've spent a fair amount of my past two days watching Daily Show clips on their site. Personally, I think they're unstoppable, and here's why:

"News" shows are entertainment. Fox, CNN, CBS, it really doesn't matter: they don't report information, they attempt to gain viewers. They have some limitations as to what they can say, because supposedly the people own the airwaves... *cough*

But in general, you could squeeze all of the major networks into one and not lose any information, because they all say the same things.

Hence, the Daily Show. They have ZERO restrictions on what they say, because they make no claims about being fair or accurate (or interesting). Just funny. Since all the networks say the same thing, anybody who watches any TV "News" at all will get all of the jokes.

As usual, I'm sure that Rupert and friends will come up with some crazy scheme to stop them (after all, they are being publicly outed for their sleazy brainwashing methods) but seriously, it's like trying to tell people that they can't grow a certain type of weed in their back yard, or copy CDs or sell their bodies: some things, right or wrong, are impossible to regulate. If the Daily Show got canned, evening talk shows would just start covering more "news," or O'Reilly would attempt to be more humorous, to fill in the gap... free money doesn't sit around for long.
posted by zekinskia at 3:07 PM on October 20, 2004


Jon Stewart makes me wish that my browser had an "applaud enthusiastically" button.
posted by bashos_frog at 4:47 PM on October 20, 2004


Meanwhile...Jon's too hot for Wal-Mart
posted by jaronson at 5:04 PM on October 20, 2004


Koppel?

Jeebus. They really got no comebacks on Crossfire do they?
posted by dig_duggler at 5:06 PM on October 20, 2004


James Carville knows the face of crazy. It's the face in his mirror.
posted by ColdChef at 6:12 PM on October 20, 2004


Some people are saying that Jon Stewart is uninformed.
posted by Fupped Duck at 7:12 PM on October 20, 2004


I thought that that was a typo for [peeing meaningfully at the audience], and that Bob was trying to outdo Bill.

And what's all this about Jon Stewart being uniformed? Did they start that draft thing while I was watching the Red Sox?
posted by Sidhedevil at 7:15 PM on October 20, 2004


Meanwhile...Jon's too hot for Wal-Mart
What a coincidence--not.
posted by amberglow at 7:20 PM on October 20, 2004


Jon Stewart should make guest appearances on other shows:

Survivor: "Jeff Probst? I made a special effort to let Burnett fly me all the way out to this deserted island so I can be with you and these smelly contestants and the cameras, because I have privately, amongst my friends and also in occasional newspapers and television shows, mentioned this show stinks. I felt that that wasn't fair and I should come here and tell you that I don't -- it's not just that you all walk around in the same clothes every day for weeks and, but your actions and inane conversations are insulting the intelligence of the American people. So I wanted to come here today and beg you guys to stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop making America wince. We barely survived Hatch in the buff, but you guys under this volcano are some of the ugliest ever - and if you call swimming in a dirty ocean bathing.. we the American people just don't buy it. We can smell you from the main land. And you. Jeff! You sleep every night in a well furnished hotel or on the yacht - you can't bring these guys a toothbrush or something? We all know the cameramen are hiding Snickers bars in their shoes. Please stop."

Lost: "Can we combine Jurassic Park with Gilligan's Island and lie to the American people by telling them it's original? Sure we can!"

Benefactor: "Hey Cuban. Guess you found something you can't buy, huh? Like, ratings? Don't take it hard. I hear because of your cameramen's efforts, CBS is looking into CSI: Dallas for next year."

Joey: "Y'know I never thought I'd miss David Schwimmer."

Charmed: "Combs? You and Milano produce this dreck don't you? Can't you.. fire writers or something? I watch you every week but it's only for the skin. This storyline is h-h-hurting America. It's the dumbest show on television. You're not believable as witches. There's not a wart to share between you. I don't find Combs a convincing mother figure, McGowan looked better as a redhead, and no offense Milano, but you don't act a convincing whore. I mean I just don't see it..."

Fear Factor: "You put these people in full body gear with a helmet, kneepads, elbow pads, bullet proof vest.. hover the 'dangerous' stunt over water, the contestants are surrounded by well-paid and highly-trained lifeguards and ex-Navy Seals, you got a convoy of ambulances just off camera, we all know you pretest all these stunts to insure their safety otherwise the lawyers wouldn't let you film any of it. I got one question for ya Rogan: Where's the fear? Try standing up to Tucker Carlson's bowtie! Now that's scary!"
posted by ZachsMind at 8:00 PM on October 20, 2004


Hey, I kinda like Joey. If you want hurting America--look at the 20 million identical shows with a fat husband and skinny wife.
posted by amberglow at 8:02 PM on October 20, 2004


Ah, the NY Times finally heard about it: Mr. Stewart is very funny, but it is the vein of "a plague on both your houses" indignation that has made his show a cult favorite: many younger voters are turning to the "The Daily Show" for their news analysis, and are better served there than on much of what purports to be real news on cable.

And of course it was fun just to see television pundits who think they are part of the same media version of the Algonquin Round Table as Mr. Stewart lose their cool when he tore off the tablecloth and shattered the plates. "Wait,'' Mr. Carlson said querulously. "I thought you were going to be funny. Come on. Be funny." Mr. Stewart was funny. And it was at their expense.

posted by amberglow at 8:28 PM on October 20, 2004


I blame porn for that. After people see Ron Jeremy bangin' superhotties on DVD, the idea that Kevin James/Jim Belushi/John Goodman/whoever has a trim, gorgeous, sexy wife is easy to...er...swallow.
posted by Sidhedevil at 9:11 PM on October 20, 2004


If you want hurting America--look at the 20 million identical shows with a fat husband and skinny wife.

You mean...I gained all the weight for nothing?
posted by iamck at 9:23 PM on October 20, 2004


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