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a GOP group is airing pro-Nader ads in critical battleground states in which he is threatening a gore victory.
October 27, 2000 1:01 PM   Subscribe

a GOP group is airing pro-Nader ads in critical battleground states in which he is threatening a gore victory.
that is all.
posted by palegirl (34 comments total)

 
Make sure you read all the way to the end, where you'll be treated to this gem:

Miller added that some of Nader’s supporters have bragged that Nader has never had help from “soft money,” the unrestricted donations used by parties and interest groups.

“We’ll put an end to that,” Miller said.


Totally. Fucking. Evil.
posted by fraying at 2:00 PM on October 27, 2000


That's the LOP (lame Old Party) for you. Evil.
posted by terrapin at 2:13 PM on October 27, 2000


Can you really count selective quotation of Nader's statements as fair use? Because if I were him, I'd be minded to sue the fuckers.
posted by holgate at 2:13 PM on October 27, 2000


Now I've seen it all.
posted by snakey at 2:20 PM on October 27, 2000


"A spokeswoman for the Green Party nominee said that his campaign had no control over what other organizations do with Nader’s speeches."

I don't understand this quote. How can Nader really have no control over people using his words, speeches and image? Anyone know?

This is a new low for the Republicans thats for sure.
posted by saralovering at 2:27 PM on October 27, 2000


How is this any different than the Democrats using John McCain's comments to criticize GWB?
posted by gyc at 2:30 PM on October 27, 2000


gyc: Oh, for starters, McCain's a Republican (hell, he's campaigning on Bush's behalf these days), but Nader's no Democrat.
posted by allaboutgeorge at 2:49 PM on October 27, 2000


Let's dissolve the country and start over!
That said, isn't this pretty much normal in campaigns? I've seen spots where the democrats bring up quotes made by loser republican primary candidates and vice-versa. I imagine it will become commonplace if third parties catch on. It seems like it is begging for the dems to run the rest of the quotes from Nader's speeches. Is MasterCard sponsoring this in anyway?
Fraying: Do you understand that quote? Why would Nader be tempted to use "soft money" after this? It sounded like he was an art director making sinister statements. I don't get it.
posted by thirteen at 2:54 PM on October 27, 2000


The idea behind "soft money" is that is spent by some group other than the candidate's campaign committee, usually on "issue ads" that don't give an explicit endorsement of the candidate, but which champion the candidate's issues. In theory, the candidate himself has no responsibility for the money being spent on his behalf, and therefore it doesn't count against his spending limits. This may very well be the first occasion ever in which the candidate had absolutely nothing to do with the money being spent on his behalf. "Evil" is right.
posted by harmful at 3:03 PM on October 27, 2000


Thanks Harmful. Anybody else seeing a George Bush/Your future president banner at the top of the linked page? Kinda creepy.
posted by thirteen at 3:16 PM on October 27, 2000


Using quotes: All statements made in public are fair to use or refute. That’s why you see Gore in Bush commercials and vice versa.

13: Miller was saying that Nader has never accepted soft money, but since this commercial is payed for by just that, then Nader is accepting soft money by proxy. You might see this brought up in 2004. Possibly. “Yes, Mr. Nader, but the Republicans ran ads in your name in 2000. Just how liberal are you?”

Republicans: If they need to stoop to effectively giving an opposing campaign a couple hundred grand they must be desperate.
posted by capt.crackpipe at 3:28 PM on October 27, 2000


If you, like me, are having trouble watching MSNBC's Windows Media version of the ad, you can get a Realplayer version at rlcnet.org/multimedia -- I should say that you could get a copy if they hadn't named the .RAM file using a space in the name! Any other media outlets offering non-MS digital copies?
posted by rschram at 3:31 PM on October 27, 2000


I just zipped-off a request to AdCritic to get their hands on a copy.

Maybe there'll be something up by Monday...


posted by silusGROK at 3:38 PM on October 27, 2000


I watched the ad, and it doesn't really put Nader in the best light as much as it attacks Gore. In this ad, Nader comes off as just another talking head, not a candidate for president.

Ah well, at least this ad might make people question Gore's environmental stance a bit.
posted by snakey at 3:48 PM on October 27, 2000


I don't see this much as an issue in 2004, as its easily explained why Republicans would want to help Nader as everyone knows the ins and outs of the spoiler argument.

Last time I checked opensecrets.com Nader had about $300 in soft money, which was probably a situation much like this.
posted by skallas at 3:51 PM on October 27, 2000


Y'know, before today, it never occured to me what the consequences of pinning the MS onto NBC. Sucks to be stuck with NPRLinux
posted by rschram at 3:51 PM on October 27, 2000


On the other hand, Nader is going to be totally villified by the Democratic party. They are going to squelch him as much as possible in 2004. This is, potentially, ammunition in their attempt.
posted by capt.crackpipe at 4:02 PM on October 27, 2000


this is weird: when you click on the link now, it's a different article, but related still to soft money tv advertisments. WTF?
posted by palegirl at 4:17 PM on October 27, 2000


capt-- yes, we're already seeing the dems go nuts on Nader-- there's a great article today on commondreams about how fat-cat dems are terrified of Nader because he points out just how far they've come from actually caring about their fellow citizens to worrying about wine, cheese, and the stock market.
posted by s10pen at 4:18 PM on October 27, 2000


well, the old article is there, but there's another one on top of it. i find that really strange.
posted by palegirl at 4:18 PM on October 27, 2000


Yes, they are burying Nader near the bottom of the page to give him as little press as possible.
posted by snakey at 4:33 PM on October 27, 2000


Come on, this is nothing. It's no big deal.

If you're a Democrat, you've gotta hate and fear Nader, because he stands for everything your party has betrayed or failed to deliver on.

If you are Green then by keeping Gore out of the Whitehouse you might have a chance to start building a viable third party.

With some serious competition this may even help stop the Democrats shifting even further to the right, although i doubt it.

Finally, this is only a Presidential election, you should really be more concerned about who get to control Congress next time. For the Greens to be effective, they need to try to capture the balance of power.

Leave the baggage behind. Gore is simply not worth the agony.

posted by lagado at 4:44 PM on October 27, 2000


You know, you are absolutely right. Nader voters ARE the balance of power in this race, and suddenly, some of his issues are actually seeing the light of day.
posted by snakey at 4:46 PM on October 27, 2000


From a really long stream of consciousness style interview with Tom Tomorrow:

...if Richard Nixon were running today, were starting out as a politician today, he'd be perfectly at home [as a Democrat]. Actually he'd be a little too leftwing for the Democratic Party with his wage and price controls, and his plan for actual national health care.

It’s true. Nixon was talking about universal health care long before anyone else. God damn liberals!
posted by capt.crackpipe at 5:14 PM on October 27, 2000


Also, he was an better environmentalist than Gore.
posted by lagado at 5:27 PM on October 27, 2000


If you're a Democrat, you've gotta hate and fear Nader, because he stands for everything your party has betrayed or failed to deliver on.

As someone who usually votes Democrat, I've gone from being generally supportive of Nader's candidacy to strongly opposed. The campaign he is running is too misguided to accomplish anything other than the defeat of Al Gore. If he was serious about building a viable third party, he would be campaigning hardest in states where Bush is assured of victory, shooting for 10 or even 15 percent of the vote nationally. He also would be working to bring minorities, gays and feminists into the Green Party. I just don't see any of that happening. As far as I know, the Greens won't even take a single seat in the House of Representatives this year. The Nader candidacy strikes me as the same pointless feel-good gesture as the Perot vote I cast in 1992. All that amounted to was millions in government-funded airtime this year for an unreconstructed bigot.
posted by rcade at 5:28 PM on October 27, 2000


I'm really glad this is happening. More and more people are paying attention and seeing firt-hand how corrput the system is and how the media is actually providing a dis-service to us.

posted by black8 at 5:33 PM on October 27, 2000


Do you really think that a significant number of people who didn't believe that before have come to believe it now because of Nader's campaign?

Perhaps a few first-year, first-time away from home college students had their introduction to these ideas via the Nader 2000 campaign, but believers already believed and the people who don't know/don't care/disagree aren't swayed by Nader at all (you should have seen the sea of Bush/Cheney signs in a 2 hour drive through rural Washington yesterday).
posted by sylloge at 6:00 PM on October 27, 2000


I talk to people everyday whom are waking up.
posted by capt.crackpipe at 6:11 PM on October 27, 2000


This is funny. And quite nice if it works as intended. Where can I send my check to fund this in WA?
 
Funny how people are getting so excited about this (20+ comments) and you all endure the possibility of the draft even in times where there isn't a declared state of war, the electoral college, and other very serious Constitutional (originally) unintended infringements on your personal liberty. I see the "issues" people keep bringing up on MF as smokescreens to distract you from very real and meaningful matters. People are so myopic. Just because the problem hasn't knocked you between the eyes doesn't mean it doesn't exist or deserve your attention.
 
Let me know if I'm off base here--and why you think so.
posted by greyscale at 7:04 PM on October 27, 2000


Sweet. What are these issues I’m missing?
posted by capt.crackpipe at 7:12 PM on October 27, 2000


One other thing about Nixon: affirmative action happened while he was in the presidency. Hate the man all you want (I do). But this did happen while he was in office.

I have a serious problem with Iagado's argument. For one, I am still a registered Democrat, only because I would like to believe that I can vote the most liberal person during the primaries and do my futile effort to save the party. But, as a California voter, I am putting my complete faith in Nader and Benjamin. Because they represent what the Democratic Party used to represent. And I honestly believe (based off of what I experienced at the Nader superrally in Oakland, in which Democrats and otherwise normal people attended to hear Nader speak) that there is a self-questioning going on within voters. Voters want to believe in the ideals of the past. But the hopeless homogenization of the system we have tells them that this ideological system is obsolete.

Not so. It can happen.

Unlike '96, Nader is actively running this time. I voted for the man in '96, despite this caveat (which was more Perot-like than his 2000 stint). But he is now actively campaigning. And the time is ripe to vote for the man. Sure, there is a problem in dealing with minorities. But we are dealing with a third party that is surviving largely by the skin of their teeth (i.e., volunteers). And if they are to receive federal matching funding, they can then spend that money to actively seek minority voters. I was troubled by the lack of minorities at the Oakland rally. But then, given the establishment's history of dividing the Left over the last sixteen years, is it any surprise?

That Nader's words would be used in such a pernicious manner by this third party group for this commercial tells me that Nader is too powerful a voice to be denied. He is pointing out realities that neither of the two major parties had the guts to convey.

And that should be something.

That he is effectively disseminating the seemingly antediluvian principle of a living wage (amongst other issues) should tell you that he is serious.

The two party system is cowardly in adopting its stances. And that is one of many reasons why you should consider Nader.

That his voice is so diabolicaly butchered by those in the know should tell you this: his campaign is considered to be a threat. Because of this, it means something.


posted by ed at 9:21 PM on October 27, 2000


this is only a Presidential election, you should really be more concerned about who get to control Congress next time.

Exactly. Which is why the most committed anti-Bush voices, I think, come from outside the US. (Myself included.) It appears that the electorate is looking to vote for domestic stalemate -- a Democratic House with a Republican president -- and that's perfectly okay. (Though a little bizarre for those accustomed to parliamentary systems.) But you're also voting for the next four years of foreign policy, and the thought of Bush setting that agenda gives Johnny Foreigner nightmares.

(If only the rest of the world had the vote.)
posted by holgate at 4:36 AM on October 28, 2000


That said, I'm reminded by this Guardian piece that a Democratic majority in the Senate would, at least, force the eviction of that chicken-necked xenophobe, Jesse Helms. Oh please let it happen.
posted by holgate at 9:42 AM on October 28, 2000


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