I've been on that hike myself - it may be the only place you can see a cow grazing under a palm tree with a stunning view of San Francisco in the background. posted by expialidocious at 6:21 PM on August 1, 2005
mountain biker Chad Dickerson was the first to document these ruins on the web, and his #1 Google ranking turned him into a de facto authority.
It is a nice hike. Those crazy rich people had quite the view. posted by Moral Animal at 7:03 PM on August 1, 2005
I can't find anything but a picture of some goddamn palm trees.
"citizen-historians?" as opposed to what? What ever happened to, you know, actually training to be a journalist or historian? posted by keswick at 7:19 PM on August 1, 2005
"citizen-historians?" as opposed to what? What ever happened to, you know, actually training to be a journalist or historian?
I think he means "amateur historian" as opposed to a "professional historian". "Citizen-historian" is a stupid way to say it, though.
Amateur historians tend to put out fascinating local history texts, focusing on areas that professionally trained historians ignore. posted by cmonkey at 8:22 PM on August 1, 2005
The reason they ignore it is because there is no money in it. When your a professional it means you do somthing for an income. There are a few local professional historians (Whitehouse historian etc..). Other than that, "amateur" conveys lower-quality work which is not always the case. Citizen is a nice description. posted by stbalbach at 11:05 PM on August 1, 2005
The vast, vast majority of 'historic preservation' work out there now is being done by citizen-historians. The difference now, of course, is that they can publish on the web, whereas twenty or thirty (or sixty) years ago they would just publish a small pamphlet with grainy photos that would be lost in the back shelves of the local public library. Chad Dickerson follows in a proud tradition of many generations before him. posted by anastasiav at 5:32 AM on August 2, 2005
stbalbach: I think there are a lot more than a few professional historians out there. You might know them as "history professors." posted by absalom at 3:59 PM on August 2, 2005
few local professional historians.. historians who are paid to do local history. posted by stbalbach at 8:40 PM on August 3, 2005
posted by expialidocious at 6:21 PM on August 1, 2005