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Porter Goss Resigns at CIA
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Newsfilter: CIA director Porter Goss resigns. After taking some of the fall heat for bad intelligence in the months before 9/11, Cheney's "cat's paw" finally gets out of the kitchen.
posted by digaman (200 comments total)

 
Curiouser and curiouser...
posted by malaprohibita at 11:15 AM on May 5, 2006


A site which doesn't require a password, for those who don't want to use the NYT link
posted by darsh at 11:17 AM on May 5, 2006


Does this have anything to do with his abrupt resignation?
posted by Buck Eschaton at 11:19 AM on May 5, 2006


Roll out the hookers!
posted by malaprohibita at 11:20 AM on May 5, 2006


INTERVIEWER: You come from intelligence. This is what you did, this is what you know.

REP. GOSS: Uh, that was, uh, 35 years ago.

INTERVIEWER: Okay.

REP. GOSS: It is true I was in CIA from approximately the late 50's to approximately the early 70's. And it's true I was a case officer, clandestine services office and yes I do understand the core mission of the business. I couldn't get a job with CIA today. I am not qualified. I don't have the language skills. I, you know, my language skills were romance languages and stuff. We're looking for Arabists today. I don't have the cultural background probably. And I certainly don't have the technical skills, uh, as my children remind me every day, "Dad you got to get better on your computer." Uh, so, the things that you need to have, I don't have.

-- Rep. Porter Goss, March 3, 2004, Washington, DC
Fahrenheit 9/11 out-take
posted by digaman at 11:22 AM on May 5, 2006


Rumsfeld? Can I get a Rumsfeld over here?
posted by elwoodwiles at 11:22 AM on May 5, 2006


But first -- the whores!
posted by Astro Zombie at 11:22 AM on May 5, 2006


Did I hear something about "deck chairs on the Hindenburg?"

No, I did not, because as we all know, that Colbert (a French name, n'est-ce pas??) guy just wasn't funny.
posted by digaman at 11:25 AM on May 5, 2006


No reason given for his resignation, and no replacement named. Sounds like someone was in a rush to get out.
posted by alms at 11:26 AM on May 5, 2006


TPM Muckraker has been following the story.
posted by Buck Eschaton at 11:29 AM on May 5, 2006


He was prolly framed by Democratic hookers.
posted by overanxious ducksqueezer at 11:34 AM on May 5, 2006


It was Goss, of course, who was appointed by Bush in the wake of George Tenet's generous mea culpa about the famous 16 words about uranium from Niger in the President's SOTU -- a statement which turned out to be, uhm, tweaked by Karl Rove and Stephen Hadley. Not that they changed anything major, or anything.
posted by digaman at 11:35 AM on May 5, 2006


"The International Atomic Energy Agency confirmed in the 1990s that Saddam Hussein had an advanced nuclear weapons development program, had a design for a nuclear weapon and was working on five different methods of enriching uranium for a bomb. The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa. Our intelligence sources tell us that he has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes suitable for nuclear weapons production. Saddam Hussein has not credibly explained these activities. He clearly has much to hide." -- The Decider, SOTU 2003

That damn CIA! They fucked everything up. Maybe they should all resign.
posted by digaman at 11:39 AM on May 5, 2006


"I did not have sex with that woman, Chesty LaRue."
posted by kirkaracha at 11:41 AM on May 5, 2006


Plo chops for everyone!
posted by briank at 11:42 AM on May 5, 2006


digaman- Your smug, sarcastic tone will certainly help change the minds of those that disagree with you.
posted by xmutex at 11:44 AM on May 5, 2006


MetaFilter: your smug sarcastic tone etc etc
posted by rxrfrx at 11:45 AM on May 5, 2006


At this point, who cares about those that disagree?
posted by docgonzo at 11:46 AM on May 5, 2006


i love how the AP article buys the administration line uncritically -- It was the latest move in a second-term shake-up of President Bush's team.

well, yeah, that's how they're spinning it, but no fucking way that's how it went down. goss was not a target of bolten's shakeup whatsoever.

but hey, bush is the decider and all the AP has to do is type those decisions out and run 'em through spellcheck to get home early and be with the family.

on preview: xmutex, since when is it digaman's responsibility to get the backwash to agree with him? since when does a hooker scandal at the highest levels of washington power deserve more than our utter scorn?
posted by Hat Maui at 11:48 AM on May 5, 2006


xmutex, my apologies. Mr. Goss, who was clearly wildly overqualified for his job at CIA, is surely leaving on such short notice to spend more time investigating his family.
posted by digaman at 11:49 AM on May 5, 2006


those that disagree?

They're all in denial.
"How low can Bush's approval rating go? My hunch is it's at or near the bottom. That 34% represents mostly unshakeable far-right wingers. Like Bush, Vice President Cheney and company, they are in denial. As were the 24% in the polls who still approved of President Richard Nixon before he resigned in disgrace."

[Al Neuharth, Founder, USA Today | May 05, 2006]
posted by ericb at 11:50 AM on May 5, 2006


Surely this will be thing that brings down... ah... who cares?
posted by wfrgms at 11:51 AM on May 5, 2006


Xmutex: you run the risk of "Protesting to much" against what we ALL ought to be protesting more of.....
posted by Elim at 11:51 AM on May 5, 2006


Who can disagree with an incompetant who resigns because he can't get enough trust from the people around him in the most powerful intelligence agency in the world to cover up fucking a hooker?

Friends help you move. Real friends help you move a dead body. But hell even bachelor party guests keep quiet. No one cares a bit about Goss. Good riddance.
posted by Smedleyman at 11:51 AM on May 5, 2006


who cares?

Maybe the press, now that somebody got a blowjob.
posted by kgasmart at 11:52 AM on May 5, 2006


Goss on PlameGate: "Somebody sends me a blue dress and some DNA, I'll have an investigation."

What a card!
posted by digaman at 11:52 AM on May 5, 2006


Maybe a hooker involved, but I'm betting gross incompetence. Even Republicans have been saying that the guy is a tyrant with no interest in protecting national security beyond settling scores with agents who didn't buy the Cheney Kool-Aid. Weird that no succesor has been named though.
posted by bardic at 11:54 AM on May 5, 2006


In related news: No. 3 Official at CIA Is Subject of Investigation Related to Bribery Probe.
posted by ericb at 11:56 AM on May 5, 2006


successor

Is Jeff Gannon looking for a new... position? Just askin'.
posted by digaman at 11:57 AM on May 5, 2006


Jamie McIntyre, CNN’s senior Pentagon correspondent:
"Well you know Tony we’re trying to find the story behind the story, what’s actually going on here with Porter Goss. And talking with intelligence officials here in the building, I can tell you it came as a complete surprise to them.

In fact, Porter Goss was apparently supposed to attend a regularly scheduled afternoon meeting that takes place right about this time in the afternoon. The Defense Department has representatives there and, according to sources, none of the people at that meeting had any advance word that Porter Goss was going to be tendering his resignation.

So it indicates the sudden nature that this took place, and again it just fuels the speculation of what the real backstory is here. And again, nobody here seems to know. They are all all just really surprised, they had no idea this was coming. And they’re really just wondering what was actually behind it."
posted by ericb at 11:59 AM on May 5, 2006


Will this scandal have a catchy "-gate" name?
posted by EarBucket at 12:00 PM on May 5, 2006


Hookergate.
posted by ericb at 12:02 PM on May 5, 2006


Since it actually involves the Watergate Hotel, maybe it'll be WatergateII?
posted by MrMoonPie at 12:02 PM on May 5, 2006


In related news: No. 3 Official at CIA Is Subject of Investigation Related to Bribery Probe.

In other words: Hookergate.

But wait! Aren't Republicans opposed to sex?
posted by kgasmart at 12:03 PM on May 5, 2006


Waterate II: Electric Boogaloo

Watergate-gate
posted by lekvar at 12:06 PM on May 5, 2006



But wait! Aren't Republicans opposed to sex?


Do as I say, not as I do.
posted by cell divide at 12:09 PM on May 5, 2006


"Watergate 2.0"tm
posted by tzelig at 12:09 PM on May 5, 2006


Poker? I don't even know her!
posted by kirkaracha at 12:10 PM on May 5, 2006


kgasmart, if you're a Republican, morality is a stick to hit other people with. It doesn't apply to you.

Example: Does this help?
posted by George_Spiggott at 12:11 PM on May 5, 2006


This couldn't have happened to a more deserving asswipe, except, you know, all the asswipes that are still there.
posted by Balisong at 12:12 PM on May 5, 2006


off topic, but the first google link for watergate 2.0, damn, can't trademark it.
posted by tzelig at 12:13 PM on May 5, 2006


He should be preemptively handcuffed.
posted by i_am_a_Jedi at 12:13 PM on May 5, 2006


Will this scandal have a catchy "-gate" name?

I've seen "ForniGate" bandied about.
posted by the_bone at 12:15 PM on May 5, 2006


if you're a Republican, morality is a stick to hit other people with. It doesn't apply to you.

I'm sure the Baby Jeebus meant for Republican congressmen to have whores.
posted by kgasmart at 12:16 PM on May 5, 2006


Clearly this alleged bit of business about the hookers was part of Goss' secret plan to defend marriage from teh gizays.
posted by digaman at 12:24 PM on May 5, 2006


From the UK Guardian profile linked to the phrase "defend marriage":


During the years when Mr Goss's committee was entrusted with oversight of America's intelligence community, the CIA failed to predict in 1998 that India would conduct a nuclear test, or that al-Qaida would bomb US embassies in east Africa, US warplanes mistakenly bombed the Chinese embassy in Belgrade, and a small al-Qaida motorboat blew a hole in the US navy destroyer USS Cole. Then came the attack by hijacked aircraft on the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon in September 2001.

The final report of the commission investigating the September 11 terrorist attacks also challenged Mr Goss's record, saying that he had given little attention to al-Qaida or terrorism before the attacks. Between January 1998 and the attacks, Mr Goss's committee held just two hearings on terrorism. The Senate committee on intelligence held eight hearings; the armed services committee held nine.

But until relatively recently Mr Goss had the respect of his Democratic colleagues for a pragmatic, bipartisan style. That balance was gradually eroded over the last year, congressional staff say, as he cemented an alliance with the vice-president, Dick Cheney, and became more forthright about his Republican loyalties.

posted by digaman at 12:28 PM on May 5, 2006


Watersportsgate.


But I bow to ForniGate.
posted by rough ashlar at 12:28 PM on May 5, 2006


The use of prostitutes and what`s occurred in Washington that I think everyone`s disgusted at

The horror.
posted by pwedza at 12:29 PM on May 5, 2006


What pisses me off about all this is that buying a pair of whores is a big enough deal in Washington for someone to resign, while any number of other behaviors like undermining the Constitution, detaining people indefinitely and torturing them, invading foreign countries on false pretenses, etc, and so on, ad infinitum, gets folks medals.

I mean, seriously. What in the hell is wrong with the American people?
posted by moonbiter at 12:30 PM on May 5, 2006


Sorry for the other post - didn't see this one.

How many more nails have to be driven into the coffin of this administration before we can give them the burial they deserve?
posted by rougy at 12:30 PM on May 5, 2006


I mean, seriously. What in the hell is wrong with the American people?

We're fucked up. But sex does get our attention...
posted by kgasmart at 12:31 PM on May 5, 2006


Also, check out Drudge - he keeps making the Kennedy headlines bigger, and now has them colored red, in an effort to drown out the Goss business.

Note to Matt: You're fucked, too.
posted by kgasmart at 12:32 PM on May 5, 2006


Your smug, sarcastic tone will certainly help change the minds of those that disagree with you.

A majority of Americans say they want Democrats rather than Republicans to control Congress (51 percent to 34 percent). That’s the largest gap recorded by AP-Ipsos since Bush took office. Even 31 percent of conservatives want Republicans out of power.

I think it's safe to be as sarcastic as you want.

One thing stuck out to me about Bush's statement during the Goss announcement: “He has led ably,” Bush said, Goss at his side. “He has a five-year plan to increase the analysts and operatives.”

FIVE YEAR PLAN?!?
Like the Old Soviets always had Five Year Plans?
Does Bush even notice he only has 2-and-a-half years left in his term? Or does he care?
posted by wendell at 12:36 PM on May 5, 2006


Also - since this involves hookers - and Jeff Gannon used to dally in the age-old profession - one has to wonder if the hookers in question weren't male?

How many Democrats were involved, again?

They're all just the same, you know....
posted by rougy at 12:39 PM on May 5, 2006


help change the minds of those that disagree with you

if the daily news from the last 4 years didn't help change their minds, digaman alone won't be able to do it

I'm also quite amused by the horribly clueless (or, they're simply in bad faith) who think that we're supposed to be some remedial class for people who think Saddam did 9-11 and wmds have been found. it's not about chaning peoples' minds -- some people just like to see the darkies get bombed to avenge 9-11, go America Go rahrahrah, no matter how bad Bush and his people run America and bend her laws.

there's nothing rational one can do about that attitude. we can't replace the bigot's satisfaction in watching muslims get bombed with boring things like, you know, paying attention to the news. there's not much that some guy's website can do for those who like to live in an alternate reality where Bush is an awesome wartime President who never lies (unlike that horrible Clinton) and won the war in Iraq.

they don't want to live with the reality-based community -- no remedial class can change that
posted by matteo at 12:40 PM on May 5, 2006


There's nothing we can do about the deluded masses... except feel superior !
posted by fugitivefromchaingang at 12:44 PM on May 5, 2006


That Drudge front page is really classic.

CLINTON APPOINTEE SEEN LEAVING 'BAR AND GRILLE'... DEVELOPING



More...
Hot teens arrested for "quickie" in highschool locker room...
Dems "thoroughly corrupt and out of touch," says think tank...
Japanese village hit with "A-bomb"...

posted by digaman at 12:45 PM on May 5, 2006


Josh Marshall provides a good thumbnail sketch of hookergate.
posted by kgasmart at 12:45 PM on May 5, 2006


Actually, the question that the hookers might have been male is perfectly legitimate.
posted by malaprohibita at 12:48 PM on May 5, 2006


The real question is why they picked the Overlook Watergate for their little poke-r parties. That Hotel does not like you, Republicans.
posted by longdaysjourney at 12:48 PM on May 5, 2006


IOKIYAR.

Move along.
Nothing to see here.
Don't make me shoot you in the face.

Poker? I don't even know her!
posted by kirkaracha

And I thought they were talking about cards games.
posted by nofundy at 12:48 PM on May 5, 2006


Let me quote from the Book of Fitts:

Sex in Washington, D.C. rarely has anything to do with sex — it’s usually about dirty tricks and dirty politics. One of the inspirations for my starting my own firm had been twenty minutes of listening to Jack Kemp, Secretary of HUD while I was Assistant Secretary, order me to lengthen my skirts. This meeting had nothing to do with my skirts.

How about some pre-intenet sex:

One historical nugget I keep mentioning in this blog concerns Xaviera Hollander, the New York City madam credited with writing The Happy Hookerin 1971. The co-writer (ghost writer?) of the book was Robin Moore -- an odd choice, since he usually specializes in military and intelligence matters. Anthony Summers, in his Nixon bio, tells us (in a footnote!) that, according to Moore, the CIA had set up clandestine cameras in Xaviera's bedroom, in order to get blackmail material on Washington pols and visiting Arab potentates.


Does Bush even notice he only has 2-and-a-half years left in his term? Or does he care?
posted by wendell at 12:36 PM PST on May 5 [!]


I shall now channel a voice from beyond the Internet. Beyond Google. The Gipper: "I have a 10 year budget balance plan"

Go with the lack of caring option.
posted by rough ashlar at 12:49 PM on May 5, 2006


What - so the CIA nailed its own guy?
posted by kgasmart at 12:56 PM on May 5, 2006


So, apparently, the Watergate was subpoenaed (yesterday?). Any guesses as to what exactly they're looking for? How long does a place like that keep lobby surveillance tapes? Mr. Goss surely wouldn't have used his own credit card, would he?

Would he?
posted by EarBucket at 12:57 PM on May 5, 2006


Tail-gate?
posted by mazola at 12:59 PM on May 5, 2006


Mr. Goss surely wouldn't have used his own credit card, would he?

Would he?
posted by EarBucket at 12:57 PM PST on May 5 [!]


You are confusing Mr. Goss with Craig Spence.
posted by rough ashlar at 1:02 PM on May 5, 2006


Tail-gate! That gets my vote.
posted by rougy at 1:05 PM on May 5, 2006


Dude, I'm still stuck on this:

That 34% represents mostly unshakeable far-right wingers.

If the unshakeable far-right wing is 34% of the population, we are so fucked.
posted by kittyprecious at 1:07 PM on May 5, 2006


... Baker was “never in attendance in any party where any women were being used for prostitution purposes.”

Wonkette (scroll down)
posted by rougy at 1:14 PM on May 5, 2006


That 34% represents mostly unshakeable far-right wingers.

that's why rightwingies are spun, not shaken
posted by pyramid termite at 1:16 PM on May 5, 2006


... Baker was “never in attendance in any party where any women were being used for prostitution purposes.”

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.....

Gannon?
posted by kgasmart at 1:21 PM on May 5, 2006


It's common knowledge Goss was despised at the agency for the resignations of many experienced agents like John McLaughlin and Stephen Kappes. who bristled under the White House yoke (and specifically Cheney's orders that evidence of WMD's in Iraq be found). Add to that his passive complicity with the White House on Plamegate and I'm wondering if Goss was rendered a liability by someone within the agency itself and taking out the trash, so to speak. It just seems so expertly done. / Wondering outloud.

But I think I'm right on this.
posted by Skygazer at 1:23 PM on May 5, 2006


I suspect the unshakeable right-wing component of the country is more like the 23% who still approved of Nixon when he resigned--or the 17% who approve of Cheney. I think Bush still has a way to fall before he hits bottom.
posted by EarBucket at 1:25 PM on May 5, 2006


Last week: Red Lights on Capitol Hill?
(my emphasis)
I've learned from a well-connected source that those under intense scrutiny by the FBI are current and former lawmakers on Defense and Intelligence comittees--including one person who now holds a powerful intelligence post.
so the CIA nailed its own guy?

Not exactly. Bush appointed him to purge the CIA of liberals and other evildoers.
posted by kirkaracha at 1:30 PM on May 5, 2006


it's the male hookers---a la Gannon/Guckert--supposedly it's about to break (but knowing our media, they won't even cover it)
posted by amberglow at 1:30 PM on May 5, 2006


Bush appointed him to purge the CIA of liberals and other evildoers.

So maybe this is the agency pushing back. You can't purge no agency that knows about you and HOOKERS!
posted by kgasmart at 1:31 PM on May 5, 2006


Skeletor at DHS might be next: In April 2005, the Department of Homeland Security gave an "achievement award" to Shirlington Limousine Company. You know, the outfit run by the bankrupt felon who's now under investigation for running hookers to congressmen?
posted by amberglow at 1:36 PM on May 5, 2006


Wow, pushback on the part of a corps of disgruntled members of the agency--that's a great story.

Guess we'll have to wait and see, but given the hurry the WH was in to put this story out in time for the Friday afternoon media dump, maybe there's something to it.
posted by bardic at 1:37 PM on May 5, 2006


Skygazer, Rumsfeld is despised by many at the Pentagon--he's not gone. Rice is as well--she's not gone.

the suddenness of this and Bob Barr's comments the other day on TV make it clear.
posted by amberglow at 1:38 PM on May 5, 2006



posted by kirkaracha at 1:41 PM on May 5, 2006


Figures some workaday DC scandal will probably be "the reason" Goss took off running. That evil sonofabitch has been involved in pretty much every crime committed by the U.S. government for half a century.

And, what a coincidence, on Sept. 11, 2001, he and his buddy Bob Graham just happened to be having breakfast with Pakistan's security chief, General Mahmoud Ahmad ... also known as the guy who had the $100,000 wired from Dubai to Mohammed Atta the week before the 9/11 operation.

So of course, Goss & Graham run the entire sham 9/11 congressional investigation ... and there's never a word uttered about their curious breakfast with Atta's bagman. Or Goss' trip to Pakistan right before that.

Goss is so goddamn evil that he's even been consistently linked to the assassination of JFK, as well as the usual false-flag terror ops in Cuba, coke smuggling from South America, torture, etc. A real sweetheart -- guys like him define the United States.
posted by kenlayne at 1:45 PM on May 5, 2006


Firedoglake post: Hookers.
posted by bardic at 1:46 PM on May 5, 2006


But... but... the real news is that Ray McGovern was mean to Donald Rumsfeld. The big meanie.
posted by malaprohibita at 1:50 PM on May 5, 2006


He was prolly framed by Democratic hookers.

Bitches set him up.
posted by delmoi at 1:52 PM on May 5, 2006


what kenlayne said---him (and Negroponte) have been involved in so much shit it's unbelievable.
posted by amberglow at 1:54 PM on May 5, 2006


"I mean, seriously. What in the hell is wrong with the American people?"

Terminal infantilism. An absolute refusal to be adult....America might be the most culturally and intellectually retarded place on the planet. When you watch Jay Leno's "Jay Walk" feature...it's just........and these are members of the public making decisions about who is in office.......I can't even write about it it's so disgusting.
posted by Nicholas West at 1:59 PM on May 5, 2006


I've long been convinced that the reason this Administration has gotten as far as it has and not been laid low long before now has been a classic "if I go down, you go down too" standoff; i.e. what dirt they have on who. When and if someone finally pulls out the thing that will drop them in their tracks, they will pull the trigger on something they've been holding and one scandal will turn into many.
posted by George_Spiggott at 2:02 PM on May 5, 2006


FBI probes Watergate prostitution allegations---...It's all part of a growing ongoing investigation into corruption in defense and intelligence contracts, which already has sent former Rep. Randy “Duke” Cunningham to prison and, legal sources say, may threaten others in Congress and the CIA.

"Well, sex, spies, money, entertainment — it's a classic Washington scandal," says Roberta Baskin with the Center for Public Integrity.

At the center of the investigation is defense contractor Wilkes, a lifelong friend of the No. 3 official at the CIA, Kyle "Dusty" Foggo, who's in charge of agency contracts. Foggo acknowledges attending some of Wilkes' poker games but denies there were any prostitutes. ...

posted by amberglow at 2:02 PM on May 5, 2006


The big news is apparently Patrick Kennedy's alcohol problems, judging by the big, goofy pictures on cnn and elsewhere.

It's a storyline America is familiar with and loves.
posted by fugitivefromchaingang at 2:03 PM on May 5, 2006


I suspect the unshakeable right-wing component of the country is more like the 23% who still approved of Nixon when he resigned--or the 17% who approve of Cheney.

There are some pretty scary people on the shakeable right wing. Couple weeks ago I ran across a crypto-supremacist weblog that happily turned right around and bashed "neocon" foreign policy like they were writing for Daily Kos. Not immigration policy or anything, the Iraq War. This was inbetween bouncing around theories that blacks couldn't swim as well as whites because they had lower IQs. Kinda freaky, but goes to show that assuming far-right = loyal-right isn't accurate thinking.
posted by furiousthought at 2:05 PM on May 5, 2006


From bardic's Hookers link:
"Everyone on TV seems to be buying the line that the Goss resignation has been planned for weeks. No natural curiosity about the fact that it takes effect immediately, or that there is no replacement, or that he had a meeting scheduled this afternoon he didn’t show up for. Not to mention the fact that as Professor Foland pointed out in the comments, the White House would’ve probably sacrificed its collective left nut to avoid stepping on a drunk Kennedy story."
posted by ericb at 2:06 PM on May 5, 2006


OK, I'm going to go the whole hog.....at the center of the investigation may be the fact that the CIA fully allowed and facilitated 9/11 to happen in order to justify the push to take over the Middle East.

There I've said....I'm officially a crank and a paranoid.
posted by Nicholas West at 2:06 PM on May 5, 2006


There, I've said IT....
posted by Nicholas West at 2:07 PM on May 5, 2006


bashed "neocon" foreign policy like they were writing for Daily Kos

Republican Right Abandoning Bush -- 45 percent of self-described conservatives disapprove of president.
posted by ericb at 2:08 PM on May 5, 2006


Couple weeks ago I ran across a crypto-supremacist weblog that happily turned right around and bashed "neocon" foreign policy like they were writing for Daily Kos.

Well, you have to remember in supremacist and NWO conspiracy world, neocon=jew.
posted by PinkStainlessTail at 2:09 PM on May 5, 2006


I agree with some of the people here that this was the CIA nicking one of its own. No evidence, just a feeling.

That look on George Tenent's face when he was given the President's Medal of Freedom - it looked to me like he was thinking "this ain't gonna cut it, buddy."

And at Tenent's farewell dinner, he said something about how the CIA was "very very good at what they do."

And this is tangental, but I met a guy who said his brother worked for the CIA (disclaimer: an agency I do not trust) and he said something to the effect of "there is some shit that they just don't put up with."
posted by rougy at 2:10 PM on May 5, 2006


People are correct to say that mefi is overly influenced by Kos, because FDL is way better IMO. Go Jane!
posted by bardic at 2:13 PM on May 5, 2006


FDL can be readable at times. Kos just gives me a headache.
posted by trey at 2:16 PM on May 5, 2006


I hear that when Porter Goss went to meet with Negroponte today, he didn't know he was going to be leaving the job. And that it would have been the President's decision, not Negroponte's. And that this may have to do with how Goss handled a management issue concerning Foggo. And perhaps with a tie in to HIPSI. ...
posted by amberglow at 2:18 PM on May 5, 2006


"Foggo" is a great DC hooker scandal name. Just sayin'.

Either that or a 1930's comic strip protagonist who gets beaten down by life, but always bounces back with vigor and aplomb.
posted by bardic at 2:21 PM on May 5, 2006


Been a busy spring break for you, Westy?
posted by DenOfSizer at 2:21 PM on May 5, 2006


"Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol said he doesn’t believe the White House spin that Porter Goss’ resignation had been planned for at least a few weeks.
'I think there were either serious disputes or some internal problem at the agency or some scandal conceivably involving an associate of Goss’. Who knows? Something that popped this week and that caused this sudden event this Friday.'"

[ThinkProgress]
posted by ericb at 2:22 PM on May 5, 2006


(It's kind of amazing how quickly "to spend more time with his family" jumped the shark as a euphemism for being canned.)
posted by bardic at 2:31 PM on May 5, 2006


Just remember, none of this matters. Corruption, lies, vice, destruction of every american ideal -- unimportant.

What matters is your smug, sarcastic tone. Because of it, they deserve to remain in power no matter what they do! Fear the deadly smug tone!

(P.S. Is "the smug tone" anything like "the brown note" from South Park?)
posted by George_Spiggott at 2:34 PM on May 5, 2006


a) What matters is your smug, sarcastic tone.

b) Because of it, they deserve to remain in power no matter what they do!


I get from a) to b) how?
posted by fugitivefromchaingang at 2:41 PM on May 5, 2006


Nicholas West: I think that falls into the category of conspiracy theories that are essentially untestable, because it's so crazy that even if it were true, no-one would believe it. Personally, I doubt that people that can't even screw a few hookers without getting caught could pull something like that off.
posted by atrazine at 2:42 PM on May 5, 2006


I get from a) to b) how?

You, um...

I don't know. But up to 34% of Americans could probably tell you. Apparently.
posted by George_Spiggott at 2:44 PM on May 5, 2006


BTW, what's a plo chop? Is it a pancake-like thing? A typo?
posted by DenOfSizer at 2:45 PM on May 5, 2006


Plo chops.
posted by interrobang at 2:46 PM on May 5, 2006


Plo chop.
posted by ericb at 2:48 PM on May 5, 2006


“45 percent of self-described conservatives disapprove of president.”

That’s just the one’s willing to say it. Out here (NW Illinois ‘burbs - typical conservative stronghold) there’s a big pause before anything Bush is mentioned. I think many conservatives stopped identifying with him because they stopped identifying him as a conservative.
Which really, is a staggeringly obvious fact when you look at the agenda.
So probably closer to 65%

“I'm officially a crank and a paranoid.” -posted by Nicholas West

Hasn’t slowed me down much. The dues are a bitch though.
I dunno tho Nicholas West, the CIA is just a tool like any other organization. Organizational will differs from oligarchal or common cause will, particularly when it comes to conspiracies and such. The closer your common cause the tighter your security and sharper your focus, but you lose breadth. For example if you’re working with your son or brother you’re much less likely to rat them out or betray them, but you lose range. Someone at the CIA doesn’t have the same motivations to stay on course as your brother might. Or even if they do believe in the common cause, might not be so tight lipped about it (Ollie North ‘I did it for America’ kinda thing).
But who knows.
posted by Smedleyman at 2:49 PM on May 5, 2006


BTW, what's a plo chop?

It's how you knock an Israeli flat on his ass.

I get from a) to b) how?

You, um...

I don't know. But up to 34% of Americans could probably tell you. Apparently.


But I'm asking you! You're the one that made the claim that pointing out smug superiority among liberals is the same thing as thinking that Bush and them should remain in power no matter what.
posted by fugitivefromchaingang at 2:51 PM on May 5, 2006


/btw hookers and spies go way way back. So, hazard of the profession.
posted by Smedleyman at 2:51 PM on May 5, 2006


fugitive, it was sarcasm, dude. I was referring to xmutex' message as linked, and maybe a hint of the phenomenon best described here. (Previously linked on MeFi.)
posted by George_Spiggott at 2:59 PM on May 5, 2006


Speaking of "sudden resignations" - Scott McClellan left rather suddenly, too, didn't he? If I recall, they didn't even have a replacement for him at the time.

Wasn't that just last week?

Something's up.
posted by rougy at 3:02 PM on May 5, 2006


Closely related to IOKIYAR syndrome.
posted by bardic at 3:03 PM on May 5, 2006


Nicholas West says OK, I'm going to go the whole hog.....at the center of the investigation may be the fact that the CIA fully allowed and facilitated 9/11 to happen in order to justify the push to take over the Middle East. There I've said [it]....I'm officially a crank and a paranoid.

I wish such an investigation was going on, but I doubt it. Who would investigate? Or as Colbert said to the press clowns, "Write that novel you got kicking around in your head. You know, the one about the intrepid Washington reporter with the courage to stand up to the administration. You know -- fiction!"

I think you'd have to be the weirdest kind of conspiracy theorist to explain away how much the CIA -- and every other alphabet agency -- knew about 9/11. Goss is just one of the few to have been caught red-handed. Of course the U.S. press couldn't touch it, it was removed from the "official" 9/11 timeline, the 9/11 commission ignored it, Goss actually ran the sham investigation & then he gets rewarded with the CIA director's job ... incredible! (The White House even removed the part of the Condi Rice press conference transcript on the single occasion when any WH official was asked about Goss & Graham's interesting breakfast.)

Remember, the reason Moussaoui didn't get the death penalty was a) the jurors figured out he wasn't involved with 9/11 and b) his crime of withholding information about the attacks was no different than the behavior of people like George Tenet & Porter Goss. Is America ready to put those dudes to death?

Meanwhile, actual perpetrators in U.S. custody will never be tried. The gov't says it's because Khalid Shaikh Mohammed and Ramzi Binalshibh have been so terribly tortured by the CIA that they can't be prosecuted ... a story that makes me wonder if the whole "torture revelation" Gitmo/Abu Ghraib was a revelation or intentional leak.

My suspicion is that Khalid Shaikh Mohammed and Ramzi Binalshibh can never be tried because they'll squeal on the whole operation. And I don't have the slightest idea what the ultimate goal of 9/11 was or is -- but it has been great for business!
posted by kenlayne at 3:03 PM on May 5, 2006


"Nicholas West: I think that falls into the category of conspiracy theories that are essentially untestable......"

"I dunno tho Nicholas West, the CIA is just a tool like any other organization. Organizational will differs from oligarchal or common cause will, particularly when it comes to conspiracies and such....."


You guys are undoubtably right, and it is a nutsy conspiracy theory...and I apologize for frivolously launching it into this perfectly valid discussion.

I think it's unlikely simply because someone on the inside, some cipher, who knew of it, would have been so horrified that the whistle would have been blown a long time ago. The lower down you go in any organization, the less all-round sociopathy you find.
posted by Nicholas West at 3:04 PM on May 5, 2006


Wow... this completely changes my perception of who was partcipating in yesterday's National Day of Prayer.

or...

This brings into question the effectiveness of yesterday's
National Day of Prayer.
posted by VulcanMike at 3:07 PM on May 5, 2006


Hmm, as I recall, some people here believe that McClellan might be into non-female hookers as well.

George--thanks for the link to that article. It's so great, I'll relink.
posted by fugitivefromchaingang at 3:10 PM on May 5, 2006


Naw, McClellan was a long-term, slow-motion train-wreck. The WH had already put feelers out for Tony Snow, and it was all over but the lawayers arguing over the size of his paycheck.

This, however, is weird. Apparently Bush has chosen a replacement though, but won't announce him or her until next week (CNN is on in the background, but can't find a link yet).

My speculation is that Goss himself wasn't visiting hookers at the Watergate, but the guy he hand-picked to be 3rd at the agency (Foggo) was living the life, and Goss was busted trying to cover Foggo's ass too many times. The WH is trying to cut all ties with Abramoff and Duke Cunningham, unsuccesfully, and Fornigate is just another notch in the bestand, so to speak. They seem to think that saying "nothing to see here" is pretty much an invitation for the known world to pay attention.

(Please take that 3rd paragraph with many grains of salt.)
posted by bardic at 3:10 PM on May 5, 2006


(The McCllelan being gay thing isn't just a mefi rumor, it's accepted for truth by many in the DC area. I'm not so sure myself, but then again I really don't care. It's Christian conservatives who tend to be overly obssesed with teh gay sex thing.)
posted by bardic at 3:13 PM on May 5, 2006


McCllelan being gay thing isn't just a mefi rumor

McLellan Gay?
posted by ericb at 3:18 PM on May 5, 2006


yesterday's National Day of Prayer

There was a National Day of Prayer yesterday, and I missed it? God fucking damn it, why don't people tell me these things?

But wait! Aren't Republicans opposed to sex?

No. Republicans are opposed to other people having sex. For themselves, they like the dirty, filthy, ball-gag and humiliation variety.
posted by psmealey at 3:21 PM on May 5, 2006


Do any of our gay friends here see McClellan coming up on their gay-dar?
posted by rougy at 3:22 PM on May 5, 2006


I really hope McClellen isn’t gay. I really do. For no other reason that it would take him out of the “complete cypher” category in terms of interesting.
posted by Smedleyman at 3:27 PM on May 5, 2006


/like if you found out some guy from work who drones on about nothing all day once went to Antarctica.
...on the other hand (not being gay myself), perhaps there’s a whole vanilla side to homosexuality and McClellen is the kind of guy who...jeez, y’know, I can’t even imagine what the hell his home life is like.

McClellen: “Hello. I’m home”
S/O: “Hello.”
*hours of silence and motionlessness before the television*
posted by Smedleyman at 3:32 PM on May 5, 2006


perhaps there’s a whole vanilla side to homosexuality

There is, unfortunately. But don't tell anyone.
posted by fugitivefromchaingang at 3:35 PM on May 5, 2006


Well, didn't Colbert say that McClellan was leaving to "spend more time with Andrew Card's children"?
posted by emelenjr at 3:37 PM on May 5, 2006


Well, didn't Colbert say that McClellan was leaving to "spend more time with Andrew Card's children"?

Man, I totally took that as a reference to the tacit acceptance over-reaching.of him being gay, but wasn't sure if I was reading too far into it.
posted by docpops at 3:41 PM on May 5, 2006


I don't care if somebody is gay - need to make that clear.

What bugs the shit out of me is being gay and being a republican and helping to further an agenda that is counter to your own interests, and the interests of your peers.

psmealey - you cracked me up.
posted by rougy at 3:54 PM on May 5, 2006


Smedleyman writes "jeez, y’know, I can’t even imagine what the hell his home life is like.
McClellen: “Hello. I’m home”
S/O: “Hello.”
*hours of silence and motionlessness before the television*"


Can I have some of whatever it is you've got? Because it's been a hellish day and I could use some mind alteration.

emelenjr writes "Well, didn't Colbert say that McClellan was leaving to 'spend more time with Andrew Card's children'?"
Glad I'm not the only one who did a spit-take when I heard that because if that is what was going down with that comment...well, that's some cold shit. And fairly uncalled for at that even if said of McLielland.
posted by Fezboy! at 4:07 PM on May 5, 2006


How low can Bush's approval rating go? My hunch is it's at or near the bottom. That 34% represents mostly unshakeable far-right wingers.

The crazification factor has to be around 27%.

John: Hey, Bush is now at 37% approval. I feel much less like Kevin McCarthy screaming in traffic. But I wonder what his base is --

Tyrone: 27%.

John: ... you said that immmediately, and with some authority.

Tyrone: Obama vs. Alan Keyes. Keyes was from out of state, so you can eliminate any established political base; both candidates were black, so you can factor out racism; and Keyes was plainly, obviously, completely crazy. Batshit crazy. Head-trauma crazy. But 27% of the population of Illinois voted for him. They put party identification, personal prejudice, whatever ahead of rational judgement. Hell, even like 5% of Democrats voted for him. That's crazy behaviour. I think you have to assume a 27% Crazification Factor in any population.


Also, plo chops.

What - so the CIA nailed its own guy?

Google CIA coup + Plame. That's gonna be the spin by Monday, trust me.
posted by dhartung at 4:21 PM on May 5, 2006


Even with the typical Friday afternoon document dump resignation announcement to minimize the effect. Sno Chop is going to have to hit the ground running on Monday.
posted by emelenjr at 4:25 PM on May 5, 2006


What bugs the shit out of me is being gay and being a republican and helping to further an agenda that is counter to your own interests, and the interests of your peers.


'What bugs the shit out of me is being' a gay...lesbian...person of color...lower-, working- or middle-class...fill in the blank...or any other kind of American 'and being a republican and helping to further an agenda that is counter to your own interests, and the interests of your peers.'

Über-rich, just pass me by.
posted by taosbat at 4:33 PM on May 5, 2006


now you know how the rich republicans feel about George Soros.
posted by caddis at 4:41 PM on May 5, 2006


“...well, that's some cold shit. And fairly uncalled for...”
Well, them gays is all chile molesters. And if yer gonna be doing some satirizin’ might as well go whole hog.
No one put a gun to McClellan’s head and said he had to be the ringmaster for this circus. Going after his family might be too far though, ‘cause they probably didn’t know he’d be taking the job.

Goss - same deal. I mean you buddy up for political considerations and advancement, you’re going to lose the respect of your peers (and not have the respect of anyone else - cause you’re not about principles).
It’s like having someone in a military unit who kisses ass and eats cheese all day instead of looking out for his brothers. Think they’re going to lift a finger to cover his ass when he loses it?

/I get high on puffball fungus, Bonobo sex, and bat sperm antidote pudding, but mostly I smoke drywall (it’s easy to get your hands on).
*passes Fezboy! hydrous calcium sulfate bong*
posted by Smedleyman at 5:00 PM on May 5, 2006


/it is cold though, yeah.
posted by Smedleyman at 5:01 PM on May 5, 2006


NW, my own conspiracy theory about 9/11 is much like my conspiracy theory about AIDS. You know how there's a shrill chorus of edge-dwellers who insist that AIDS was engineered in a government lab and let loose in the world to kill fags, Africans, and junkies? My theory is: Who knows. But by keeping mum about it publicly for the first couple of years, cutting funding for research programs, and so on, the government managed the epidemic as if they had created it in a lab, and accomplished the same purposes.

Did Bush/Cheney et. al. "do" 9/11 or let it happen? Who knows. But they have managed the aftermath of it -- bogus war in Iraq, perpetual state of warfare against an ill-defined enemy, slashing civil liberties, expanding executive powers and surveillance to dictatorial levels -- as if they had done it or let it happen.
posted by digaman at 5:03 PM on May 5, 2006


now you know how the rich republicans feel about George Soros.

IF you were referring to my comment, I should say that even the über-rich will ride the tide more smoothly if they step lightly when treading upon a rattlesnake.
posted by taosbat at 5:16 PM on May 5, 2006


taosbat - great point.

digaman - don't forget that Bush/Cheney obstructed the 9/11 investigation every step of the way.
posted by rougy at 5:33 PM on May 5, 2006


The most likely new chief spook at CIA: Michael Hayden, aggressive defender of NSA spying on Americans, and close friend of Dick Cheney.

Cheney, Cheney, Cheney, Cheney, Cheney, Cheney. I'm getting rather tired of seeing that name pop up when bad things happen.
posted by digaman at 7:19 PM on May 5, 2006


And if you wonder why I keep leaving out the "the" in CIA, ask someone who works at CIA.
posted by digaman at 7:20 PM on May 5, 2006


The only hookers Fox WON'T cover ...

As Media Matters has repeatedly documented, if there's one kind of story Fox News likes nearly as much as partisan smears of progressives, it's a story about the sex trade. ...

posted by amberglow at 7:22 PM on May 5, 2006


digaman, yeah, exactly.
posted by Divine_Wino at 7:26 PM on May 5, 2006


What's stopping Porter Goss from claiming that he wants to spend more time with his family? Even if he and his deputy, Dusty Foggo, are about to be swept up by the widening hookergate investigation that TPMMuckraker.com has been covering, the least the president can do is offer something better than this retroactive "time of transition" dodge.
The Negroponte excuse doesn't pass the smirk test, either; surely Goss doesn't love power more than he hates terrorists. I wonder whether a Presidential Medal of Freedom could still be given to someone who's been indicted. ...

posted by amberglow at 7:32 PM on May 5, 2006


it's Hayden--CNN just announced it.
posted by amberglow at 7:46 PM on May 5, 2006


Fornigate!
posted by amberglow at 8:06 PM on May 5, 2006


Heads up - Plame signs 7 figure book deal.

Oh, and Larry Johnson has it on (presumably) good authority that Goss wasn't into the hookers, but one of his key staffers was.
posted by edverb at 8:11 PM on May 5, 2006


Smedleyman writes "Well, them gays is all chile molesters. "
I guess that's what's chilling to me. Drop bombs on LiarLand all day and it won't really faze me. I'm just a bit uncomfortable with Colbert playing the gayz be pedos angle.

*passes bong back with a fresh Guiness. Nods in appreciation. Continues getting himself lost in this drywall + stout enduced haze. Finds it quite enjoyable.*
posted by Fezboy! at 8:42 PM on May 5, 2006


s/enduced/induced. Damn, this *is* some good shit.
posted by Fezboy! at 8:44 PM on May 5, 2006


Can anybody else keep up with the scandals and resignations? I swear, every two weeks or so, some new horrifying revelation emerges regarding this administration.

Paul O'Neal said Bush was intent on invading Iraq from day one.

Richard Clark, I believe, said the same thing.

Cheney is still getting paid by Halliburton, though he constantly denies it.

Feith, Wolfowitz, Perle - booger, booger, booger bear.

I've honestly forgotten so much of the crap.

I need to put a timeline together to track it all. It's boggling.

Worse still are the many idiots out there defending him!
posted by rougy at 9:11 PM on May 5, 2006


Here's the Washington Post story:
...senior administration officials said Bush had lost confidence in Goss, 67, almost from the beginning and decided months ago to replace him. In what was described as a difficult meeting in April with Negroponte, Goss was told to prepare to leave by May, according to several officials with knowledge of the conversation.
Sure, it was planned months in advance. The announcement was sudden just to be surprising. And they didn't name the successor they'd selected to prolong the suspense.

more
posted by kirkaracha at 10:32 PM on May 5, 2006


Negroponte - the face of evil.

The fact that that dirty SOB is still involved with our country's foreign and domestic policy says volumes about this filthy-hearted administration.

His day, too, will come.

It's not okay to kill people who disagree with you, Johnny boy.
posted by rougy at 10:41 PM on May 5, 2006


I almost did a OH NO HE DIDN'T spit-take when I heard Colbert's dig at McClellan, too. That was pretty harsh.

digaman, you've piqued my curiosity. Is there more to dropping the "the" than just a simple naming quirk? It seems to apply to other agencies as well—working at State, working for DOD, NSA, etc.
posted by emelenjr at 10:58 PM on May 5, 2006


I'm curious about the whole "the" thing, too.

The CIA.

The Central Intelligence Agency.

"A" Central Intelligence Agency?

The "Alleged" Central Intelligence Agency?
posted by rougy at 11:02 PM on May 5, 2006


isn't the whole "gays as pedophiles" thing part of the colbert persona?

how is his lampooning of that attitude by deadpanning it any different than his deadpan lampooning of bush?

presumably he's mocking that belief via the character "stephen colbert."

and believe me: lots of people share that belief. it just so happens that most of them are on the right.
posted by Hat Maui at 11:16 PM on May 5, 2006


"isn't the whole "gays as pedophiles" thing part of the colbert persona?"

I guess you've got to be "in on the joke" to understand.

Remember the cheerleaders in your class who "just never got it?"

Hat Maui - you seem to be an idiot.

You couldn't get the joke because - in a way you'll never understand - you are the joke.
posted by rougy at 11:44 PM on May 5, 2006


Or maybe...I just didn't get you. Did I?
posted by rougy at 11:47 PM on May 5, 2006


More rats scurrying off. What's the over/under on how much he stole before he left? I'll take the over.

But PATRICK KENNEDY CRASHED HIS CAR AND USES PRESCRIPTION DRUGS AND ALCOHOL.

Nothing to see here.
posted by fenriq at 11:50 PM on May 5, 2006


what the fuck, rougy?

what was the reason for your personal attack?

i can't parse what your criticism of my comment is so maybe you should elaborate. while you're at it, maybe you should explain why you felt like calling me an idiot was justified if you're not even sure what i'm saying.
posted by Hat Maui at 11:51 PM on May 5, 2006


"...and believe me: lots of people share that belief. it just so happens that most of them are on the right."

I'm sorry I said idiot.

But are you saying that Colbert is anti-gay?

Because I think you're missing the point of his shtick of you do.
posted by rougy at 11:52 PM on May 5, 2006


no, i am not saying stephen colbert, the person, is anti-gay.

when i said "presumably he's mocking that belief via the character 'stephen colbert'," i meant that just like everything else he said on that podium, he intended it to mock the attitude of a homophobic, blowhard, right-wing tv host, just as he does on 'the colbert report.'

the whole point of the colbert character (not the person stephen colbert) is that he's a bigoted idiot.

i guess i'm not nearly as insulted as i was now that i know that you didn't get that. keep up.
posted by Hat Maui at 12:02 AM on May 6, 2006


Since there seems to be some confusion... From the end of the 60 minutes piece on Colbert:

Meantime, insincerity is paying big dividends and playing to more than a million people a night.

"Is there any possibility of the danger of you starting to believe yourself?" Safer asked.

"I hope so," Colbert replied. "I think that's the only hope that I'll actually do this job right — if I begin to believe my own line of crap."

posted by overanxious ducksqueezer at 12:16 AM on May 6, 2006


digaman - "as if they did" - dead on.

Yeah, yeah, CIA not "the CIA."

Had lots of fun: 'the' U of I / U of I arguments. Wears me out man. Most excellent point on the "as if" thing tho.

"the gayz be pedos angle."

Well, yeah, but it's THEIR angle. (the idiots, whats-his-name and chucklefuck, the neo-con fanatics and such - THEM)

"presumably he's mocking that belief via the character 'stephen colbert',"

Yep. That's it exactly.

Fezboy! thinks it's a bit to close to playing with nitro. I can't blame him.
But man if you hang out with stoopit monkeys (like McClellen fronting for Bushco - who have "the gayz're pedos" fans and hangers on) you're going to get feces thrown back at you from time to time.

But let's all chill on the angry at each other stuff man.

Hey, Hat Maui, take a hit of this drywall, man.

*passes guiness-filled gypsum bong*
posted by Smedleyman at 12:26 AM on May 6, 2006


I think someone mentioned before that…to be true is to say what you mean.

And to speak of things you’ve seen.

“the whole point of the Colbert character (not the person Stephen Colbert) is that he's a bigoted idiot.”

Well…yeah…sort of like…mmmm…most right wingers.

But that’s just my take on it.
posted by rougy at 12:52 AM on May 6, 2006


As John Stuart said on his show the other night, apparently Colbert thought that he was hired to do the same stuff he does every single night on his television show.

Silly Colbert!
posted by moonbiter at 1:02 AM on May 6, 2006


I am such a lucky guy. I have no idea who this Colbert is, and I wouldn't know Hannity if he knocked on my door. The bliss that comes from 8 years without American television. (OTH, I've never seen the Daily Show)
posted by Goofyy at 1:53 AM on May 6, 2006


Gawd - what if the exact opposite is true? What if Goss has achieved all of his objectives, and is returning to his hidden casket in the castle?

Will Paula Zahn inquire as to the liberal prejudice against caskets and castles?

Axes to grind?
posted by rougy at 1:56 AM on May 6, 2006


I've heard rumors that this "resignation" is because the CIA had Zarqawi in handcuffs, and they let him go. Of course, now I'm spreading these completely baseless rumors...
posted by spiderskull at 2:08 AM on May 6, 2006


Goofyy, there are torrents of the Daily Show all over--it's usually great, and definitely worth a look.

so far, all i've seen is reinforcement of the official spin that it was a turf battle, with just glancing mentions if any at all of the gay hookers/Cunningham scandal--pathetic. I now know every single possible thing there is to know about that Kennedy tho, and their curse, and how he's just like his daddy...
posted by amberglow at 2:57 AM on May 6, 2006


amberglow - thanks

Watching TV...

"The rich have got their channels in the bedrooms of the poor." (Mr. Leonard Cohen)

Like the line from Gravity's Rainbow:

"If you get them to ask the wrong questions, you don't have to worry about the answers."
posted by rougy at 4:06 AM on May 6, 2006


I know I shouldn't be surprised, but as of this morning the front page of CNN has two headlines on Patrick Kennedy going into rehab (shock horror) and nothing about the Goss resignation.
posted by PinkStainlessTail at 4:43 AM on May 6, 2006


Oh no sorry, there it is, under women use camera phones to catch perverts.
posted by PinkStainlessTail at 4:46 AM on May 6, 2006


emelenjr, I don't know any more than if some guy tells you he works at "the CIA," he probably doesn't.

Drudge has like five Kennedy headlines this morning, including the main one and photo, and a single line about Goss.
posted by digaman at 7:28 AM on May 6, 2006


digiman - do they say they work for the corporation?

The alleged CIA.

(believe it or not - even the knuckle-heads are catching the drift about "the urgent need to keep Patrick Kennedy from fucking up the bottom of his car!)

And at a time of war!
posted by rougy at 7:42 AM on May 6, 2006


Smedleyman writes "Well, yeah, but it's THEIR angle. (the idiots, whats-his-name and chucklefuck, the neo-con fanatics and such - THEM)

Yeah, that's Colbert's schtick and it's the card THEY played to pick up this last election but it still makes me a bit uncomfortable. Truth be told, at first I did not make the distinction that it was a second order joke. I am tv free myself (cue the mocking chorus of elitism callouts) though I occasionally skim the torrents, so my [Archie] Bunker Meter is a bit out of whack these days.

But this is all morning-after-gypsum navel gazing and distracts from the thread at large. Which brings me to "Fuck you, Goss, and good riddance. Only a moran like you, your cadre, and the rest of the idiot pack you signed on with (THEM) could actually make a hippy retread like me feel sympathy for the spook house."
posted by Fezboy! at 8:14 AM on May 6, 2006


Porter Goss knows where bin Laden is. He should spill during the exit interview.
posted by kirkaracha at 8:28 AM on May 6, 2006


one bright point, if the Dem senators use it, will be the opportunity to talk about all the spying on all of us all over again during the confirmation hearings for the replacement. Let the Republican Senators try to defend it during this election year.
posted by amberglow at 9:36 AM on May 6, 2006


The Watergate Hooker Scandal - is it a gay hooker scandal?

It's about GAY hookers, STUPID!
posted by ericb at 9:46 AM on May 6, 2006


Sources at odds; turf war, Wilkes fallout cited in CIA chief's exit.
posted by ericb at 9:49 AM on May 6, 2006


Oh, I finally get it. These guys are "defending marriage" from their own cravings to get plowed by horse-hung rough trade bareback-style while spinning in leather harnesses under golden-shower fountains. No wonder they think they need to amend the Constitution to keep themselves faithful to their starchy wives.
posted by digaman at 9:58 AM on May 6, 2006


...Gen. Michael Hayden refused to answer question about spying on political enemies at National Press Club. At a public appearance, Bush’s pointman in the Office of National Intelligence was asked if the NSA was wiretapping Bush’s political enemies. When Hayden dodged the question, the questioner repeated, "No, I asked, are you targeting us and people who politically oppose the Bush government, the Bush administration? Not a fishing net, but are you targeting specifically political opponents of the Bush administration?" Hayden looked at the questioner, and after a silence called on a different questioner. (Hayden National Press Club remarks, 1/23/06) ...

and: Does Gen. Hayden Know What the Fourth Amendment Says?--...
Gen. Hayden disputed a questioner's statement that the Fourth Amendment requires a showing of "probable cause," a reference to the need for a judicial warrant, for surveillance. The Amendment only mandates that a search be "reasonable," Hayden argued. But the Fourth Amendment does in fact also mandate "probable cause." ...
Hayden also claimed on electronic surveillance: "I have two paths in front of me, both of them lawful, one FISA, one the presidential -- the president's authorization." However, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act states that it "shall be the exclusive means by which electronic surveillance ... may be conducted." [FISA; 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2511(f)]

posted by amberglow at 10:14 AM on May 6, 2006


The blackmail talk reminds me of that Kay Griggs interview that was floating around conspiracy sites a while back. I didn't watch much, but iirc she allleged a broad network of sexual blackmailing in the upper echelons of the military and CIA.

Hoover had something like that going, I guess.

so, yeah, tinfoil hats etc. Institutionalized torture turned out to be true, that intentional misrepresentation of evidence to start the war turned out to be true, secret rendition programs and internal wiretapping (even solely citizen to citizen iirc)...

This all can't be blamed solely on this administration, although they are deeply involved. There's a lot of corruption in this government.

It's hard to be surprised by anything now.
posted by sonofsamiam at 10:27 AM on May 6, 2006


Sources at odds; turf war, Wilkes fallout cited in CIA chief's exit.
posted by ericb at 10:49 AM MST on May 6 [!]


This one, I sent to my mom, thanks. I think I'll wait for a little more evidence before I lay the closet-gay bit on her.

&, thanks for the Hayden links, amberglow.

It's hard to be surprised by anything now.

Yes...sadly so.
posted by taosbat at 11:15 AM on May 6, 2006


Works for me, and Porter is an untouchable asset. Damn clever. W never ceases to amaze.
posted by airguitar at 11:24 AM on May 6, 2006


White House Denies Bush Lost Faith in Goss
posted by kirkaracha at 11:50 AM on May 6, 2006


CNN Wire
Sen. Russ Feingold said he is "troubled by reports" that President Bush intends to nominate Gen. Michael Hayden to be CIA director, because Hayden defended the president's decision to authorize a no-warrant, domestic surveillance program.

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"General Hayden directed and subsequently defended the president's illegal wiretapping program," Feingold said in a statement released by his office. "Neither he nor the rest of the administration informed the congressional intelligence committees about this program, as is required by law."
posted by taosbat at 12:44 PM on May 6, 2006


Every new appt. Bush has made has been a slap in the face to critics, why should this be any different?
posted by overanxious ducksqueezer at 1:12 PM on May 6, 2006


One Cheney insider swapped out, another Cheney insider swapped in. Did you ever get the feeling that Bush and company know about 20 guys in Washington altogether, who have been selling the same tripe for decades? It must feel like a little frat house by now.
posted by digaman at 3:02 PM on May 6, 2006


While the direct involvement in HookerGate theories carry appeal I think the fact that Bush came out and praised him on the way out tends to discredit that theory. My gut tells me, though, that given the sudden nature of the departure and the lack of explanation ("one of those mysteries") something bad is involved and some involvement of HookerGate seems the most likely. It could be something as simple as a further roll back on his authority coming on the heels of his boys clearly being involved in this somehow. After such a demotion I could see him leaving in a huff. All purely speculation of course.
posted by caddis at 3:09 PM on May 6, 2006


It's getting on time for a scandal involving the Supreme Court, isn't it? The political, military, and intelligence parts of your Administration society have all proven their corruption; only Justice is left.
posted by five fresh fish at 5:21 PM on May 6, 2006


Let's send some hookers to the Supreme Court. We can start up a collection.
posted by overanxious ducksqueezer at 7:36 PM on May 6, 2006


"...only Justice is left."

That's exactly why they're working so hard to stack the courts with rightwing rimjobs.

Droit de Signor - Law of the Lawmaker. It's right because they say it's right. It's wrong because they say it's wrong.

Alberto Gonzales is a perfect example of their corruption.
posted by rougy at 11:13 PM on May 6, 2006


...Hayden ...

*slams head into desk*

WHY DOESN’T HE JUST PUT HOWDY DOODY IN THERE? OR A GODAMNED FECES THROWING APE? MY FUCKING KIDS USE MORE REASONING SKILLS WHEN THEY MAKE DECISIONS ON WHICH FLAVOR OF OATMEAL TO EAT IN THE MORNING!

I could pull three potential directors out of my ass that would do a better job then that soft little bastard.

Sorry. Sorry. Bit irritated there. I keep thinking I am not an earthbound God who’s powers are kept in check by some mysterious force. I keep forgetting even mighty world leaders have paltry aims and desires compared with the slightest of my whims.
Wow - can watching Bush - et. al. make one feel like an intellectual titan.
posted by Smedleyman at 3:51 PM on May 7, 2006


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posted by drezdn at 8:47 PM on May 7, 2006


Changing the Guard -- While Bush’s new CIA nominee preps for a tough nomination battle, agency No. 3 Dusty Foggo is leaving the agency.
posted by ericb at 3:34 PM on May 8, 2006


Whither the CIA?
posted by homunculus at 5:10 PM on May 8, 2006


So Bush is doing/has done to the CIA what he did to FEMA. Grrrr....eat.
posted by overanxious ducksqueezer at 10:34 AM on May 9, 2006


Foggo and Nine Fingers and the Whores of Doom.
posted by homunculus at 5:35 PM on May 9, 2006


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