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From the Prosecution's stuff, some of the raw e-mail intercepts are interesting from a technical standpoint. That's all I've really gotten in to so far. Otherwise, very cool.
posted by odinsdream at 7:39 PM on July 31, 2006

This is some version of the word "enjoy" that I have yet to comprehend.

Still, a fascinating archive, even from the first bits of nosing around I've done.
posted by beaucoupkevin at 7:50 PM on July 31, 2006

With exception of the seven that are classified and under seal. This isn't really that amazing and it will be par for the course in the near future. Already all civil exhibits are online for a great number of Federal District Courts. Of course you have to pay, and be a lawyer, but we're getting there.
posted by Ironmouth at 8:04 PM on July 31, 2006

What a shitty way to word and construct what could be an interesting post.
posted by xmutex at 8:05 PM on July 31, 2006

Feel free to improve it, xmutex.
posted by thirteenkiller at 8:07 PM on July 31, 2006

Ick - looks like all of the defense's video footage is uncompressed (or very poorly compressed) MPG data. 11 minutes = 600+MB. How unfortunate.
posted by odinsdream at 8:13 PM on July 31, 2006

It's fine. (Just use the little hyperlink and you're on your way. *slam*)
posted by gorgor_balabala at 8:13 PM on July 31, 2006

Yeah, xmutex. She probably should have added a supplementary YouTube link.
posted by rob paxon at 8:34 PM on July 31, 2006

Oh, quit yer bellyachin'. This is a cool post.

Archive is full of stuff that should keep the conspiracy nutballs busy for years. And I find it amazing that the current iteration of our federal gummint would (a) deign to allow us lowly citizens to see this stuff, and (b) find a high school student savvy enough to actually get it up on the interweb.
posted by turducken at 8:39 PM on July 31, 2006

Interesting that a big part of what made this thread a complete clusterfuck was people calling the video posted to YouTube "pornography" because it synched up the phone call with the footage of the WTC.

Turns out that video is one of the exhibits -- the way the prosecution presented it.
posted by twiggy at 9:02 PM on July 31, 2006 [2 favorites]

There seems to be a heap of photos of victims, pre- & post- mortem, plus recordings of calls from the flights, shots & clips of the Pentagon & WTC crashes, etc etc etc.

Can any lawyerly american type please tell me how these pieces of evidence establish guilt? Surely, nobody was disputing that the attacks actually took place...?
posted by UbuRoivas at 9:06 PM on July 31, 2006

UbuRovias; one part of the trial that was covered in the media involved "victim impact statements." That is, statements designed to show how horrible 9/11 was, just, you know, in case you forgot or something.

There was probably a metafilter thread about it.
posted by odinsdream at 9:14 PM on July 31, 2006

These e-mails are pretty amusing.
I have to say that I am a bit sad and surprise because why it is not possible to accesss of simulator course if you are not a Commercial Pilot with 2000 etc hrs. I am sure that you can understand that somebody is read to spend a "bit" money to have the experience of a life time to fly one of these Big Bird. I do not intended to become a Airline Pilot ( I am 33 years old a bit late to start) But this is one of my dream. Really it should not be of any problem as long as you pay [...] - FO05521.14
posted by blacklite at 9:41 PM on July 31, 2006

I thought these docs were quite interesting.
posted by pwedza at 10:28 PM on July 31, 2006

They have evidence?

Well at least they're learning from their previous attempts.
posted by -harlequin- at 10:36 PM on July 31, 2006

For linking to pdfs without warning, I sentence pwedza to six consecutive guillotinings.
posted by UbuRoivas at 10:54 PM on July 31, 2006

Don't miss Moussaoui's handwritten motions. They were my favorite part of the trial. Search the list for "Filing by Mr. Moussaoui."
posted by CunningLinguist at 5:23 AM on August 1, 2006

Say it with me yall, "I trust and believe in my Government!".
posted by Unregistered User at 5:28 AM on August 1, 2006

I think one of the earliest signs that these people are evil is that they used Power Point.
posted by thekilgore at 6:01 AM on August 1, 2006 [1 favorite]

There's some interesting opportunities for open source datamining in there. I'm liking the fact that they repeatedly used the same sites for money transfers (via the money transfers). Interesting how they pretty much did everything legally and with proper documentation. Just goes to show that we are not as capable as we say we are. Also, terrorists have sucky penmanship.
posted by rzklkng at 6:40 AM on August 1, 2006

Are the courts making any effort to get motions and such as formatted text formats, like PDF or Word, rather than scanning paper versions into PDF?
posted by smackfu at 7:09 AM on August 1, 2006

odinsdream wrote "some of the raw e-mail intercepts are interesting from a technical standpoint"

Quite interesting -- dumps of Hotmail form submissions. Do these end up in the browser cache or would they be from sniffing of unencrypted traffic? Guess this explains why Hotmail still doesn't meta-refresh to the HTTPS version when you reach the site. Given this one, they're grabbing whatever they can catch... are we seeing the first public data from our much-discussed uber Internet monitoring system?

"We don't need information from your database -- just don't make it any easier for the connections to be encrypted."
posted by VulcanMike at 4:49 PM on August 1, 2006

I actually found the e-mail intercepts interesting from a sociological standpoint, too. Watching him beg and plead to fly a "big bird" is downright eerie now that we know why he wanted to.
posted by etoile at 1:08 PM on August 2, 2006

Oh holy shit. I was reading through the prosecution's documents, going one by one through the e-mails. I clicked on "FO05521.54" which had the description "E-mail" next to it. I ended up getting this, which it says is exhibit number P200098 and the description is as follows:
Photo of Firefighter Danny Suhr on 9/11/01
[Viewer discretion is advised]
Emphasis mine. It's NOT PRETTY. It belongs on Ogrish or Obviously somebody put the WRONG information in the listing of exhibits. I have got to figure out who to contact to get them to change that. Oh holy crap.
posted by etoile at 1:14 PM on August 2, 2006

Erm, okay, the emphasis didn't work. Seriously folks, don't click that if you're squeamish or at work. I'm going to go wash my eyeballs now.
posted by etoile at 1:14 PM on August 2, 2006

Okay, it's fixed. I e-mailed them, and the correct exhibit is now there, and the one that was in its place is now where it belongs. They fixed it within the hour. That wasn't the only mistake I found, though - there was a photo labeled as graphic that wasn't - so there may be others. Hopefully the webmaster will check them all.
posted by etoile at 2:41 PM on August 2, 2006

This sort of stuff is why the Moussoui death penalty prosecution was such as joke. Here's some crazy guy, who was locked in a cell in Minnesota on 9/11, and 36 gazillion pictures of dead people! Hang him!

It is truly great that the jury said no to the death penalty.

And I'm not against the death penalty. The guys who should actually be executed are in secret CIA prisons and probably can never be hung because they been tortured and the government will never let those facts out in open court.
posted by Mid at 3:58 PM on August 2, 2006

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