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P2P is a sin
October 10, 2006 2:15 AM   Subscribe

P2P is a sin [bugmenot]
posted by PenguinBukkake (35 comments total)

 
'Take Matthew, a 13-year-old who attends Hewes Middle School in North Tustin and attends youth programs at nearby Red Hill Lutheran Church. Asked if it's wrong to take songs for free, he answered: "No, because the artists are making billions of dollars anyways."'

The youth programs at Red Hill Lutheran Church evidently don't teach why moral relativism is wrong.
posted by matthewr at 2:28 AM on October 10, 2006


"Hey! You got copyright infringement in my religion flamewar!"

"Yeah, and you got religion in my copyright infringement flamewar!"

Two great subjects for online forum assgrabbery, now in one easy, convenient topic!
posted by Rhomboid at 2:43 AM on October 10, 2006 [1 favorite]


I'm pretty sure Mac users can't sin because OSX was built with purity in mind.
posted by srboisvert at 3:00 AM on October 10, 2006


Purity? I thought it was parity.
posted by loquacious at 3:29 AM on October 10, 2006


"Christian Rock" is a sin.
posted by three blind mice at 3:43 AM on October 10, 2006


"Christian Rock" is an oxymoron.
posted by bap98189 at 4:18 AM on October 10, 2006


bap98189 is a plain old moron.
posted by quonsar at 4:23 AM on October 10, 2006


This will provide an troubling, meaty ethical debate for evangelicals to have among themselves while their government tortures muslims in Cuba.
posted by gsteff at 4:26 AM on October 10, 2006 [2 favorites]


From my perspective, an artist who works in this particular field should be happy to have his or her songs being distributed this way; it's pretty hard to consider your work evangelism or a ministry if you're demanding that those who you're witnessing/ministering to give you money or go away. And really, if you're doing what God wants you to be doing, God will take care of your needs. You don't need the RIAA. Right?
posted by deadcowdan at 4:28 AM on October 10, 2006


And really, if you're doing what God wants you to be doing, God will take care of your needs.

Get your money for nothing and your checks for free.
posted by three blind mice at 5:03 AM on October 10, 2006


if i end up in hell for my p2p activities, than i surely shall know i have not lived a full life...
posted by localhuman at 5:20 AM on October 10, 2006


Render unto Caesar...
posted by klangklangston at 5:33 AM on October 10, 2006


the early christians did a lot of things, good and bad, but the one thing they NEVER did was copy manuscripts
posted by pyramid termite at 5:49 AM on October 10, 2006 [2 favorites]


Religious Rock: The Music of Devils in the CHURCH!!!
posted by yeti at 6:14 AM on October 10, 2006


Opps. That didn't work. Try this:

Religious Rock: The Music of Devils in the CHURCH!!!
posted by yeti at 6:15 AM on October 10, 2006


pyramid termite: that is the second post from you I've read today that was outstanding, topical, and fabulous.
Thanks.
posted by Goofyy at 6:17 AM on October 10, 2006


I'm glad that the ministers of today have the time and energy to discuss the ambiguities of downloading music. War, torture, hypocrisy, and greed are no longer heavy upon the hearts of Christians - and all the people said Stomp. GP are you with me?
posted by billysumday at 6:40 AM on October 10, 2006


> the early christians did a lot of things, good and bad, but the one thing they NEVER did
> was copy manuscripts

Yeah, those first-century copyright laws really had teeth. But there's no possible controversy here today:

to the downloaders: Ex. 20:15 - Thou shalt not steal.

to the writers/musicians/publishers: Luke 6:29 - And unto him that smiteth thee on the [one] cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloke forbid not to take thy coat also.

D/Lers, quit ripping off the content producers. Content producers, if somebody rips you off, shut up and smile.
posted by jfuller at 6:53 AM on October 10, 2006


Yeti

"The religious rockers make many professions about the Lord Jesus Christ but as soon as the music starts, a transformation occurs as they are taken over by the spirit of Elvis Presley."

Priceless!
posted by waltb555 at 7:22 AM on October 10, 2006


I'm pretty sure Mac users can't sin because OSX was built with purity in mind.

I dunno about their minds, but all the Mac users I've ever known sure did have purity mouths...
posted by PeterMcDermott at 7:37 AM on October 10, 2006


Someone should write a novel about a dystopic future world where the only popular music is Christian music because everything else was destroyed by piracy.
posted by delmoi at 7:50 AM on October 10, 2006


I'm pretty sure Mac users can't sin because OSX was built with purity in mind. --srboisvert

No, Mac users can't sin because they must surrender their freewill upon joining the Cult of the Woz. Which, to be fair, is better than Windows users, who implicitly surrender their souls by opening the packaging.
posted by Bugg at 8:00 AM on October 10, 2006


Every song you download makes baby jesus cry...
posted by triv at 8:36 AM on October 10, 2006


if (copying != sin) AND (copying != theft) then
  sin = 0
else
  God = pissed
end of

I reckon copying was never a sin and of course copying is not theft. So no sin involved. That woman can sleep safe in the knowlege baby jesus still loves her.
posted by twistedonion at 8:50 AM on October 10, 2006


Copying fails the "do unto others" deal.
posted by Heywood Mogroot at 9:14 AM on October 10, 2006


I find it rather odd that someone supposedly of strong moral compass should need to be told whether a specific act is a sin or not.
posted by clevershark at 9:14 AM on October 10, 2006


Copying fails the "do unto others" deal.

Why? I don't care what people copy of mine as long as they don't profit from it. So, i am doing unto others exactly as I would have them do unto me.
posted by twistedonion at 9:21 AM on October 10, 2006


clevershark : I find it rather odd that someone supposedly of strong moral compass should need to be told whether a specific act is a sin or not.

Exactly. Well said.
posted by quin at 10:36 AM on October 10, 2006


Artificial scarcity isn't exactly a Christian value, either.
posted by Skwirl at 10:50 AM on October 10, 2006


The Bible wouldn't have gotten anywhere with DRM.
posted by Peter H at 11:00 AM on October 10, 2006 [1 favorite]


> The Bible wouldn't have gotten anywhere with DRM.

The DRM of the day was known as "It's in Latin." This particular flavor of DRM was eventually cracked, but nobody learned a thing. When will people quit asking "When will they ever learn" when the answer is so obviously "Never?"
posted by jfuller at 2:44 PM on October 10, 2006


Pay to Ceaser what belongs to Ceaser and pay to Scott Stapp what belongs to Scott Stapp.
posted by Doublewhiskeycokenoice at 2:56 PM on October 10, 2006


Peter H and jfuller win...
just remember: religion is the oldest form of the information economy...and the origin of vaporware...
posted by es_de_bah at 5:17 PM on October 10, 2006


Asked if it's wrong to take songs for free, he answered: "No, because the artists are making billions of dollars anyways."

Anyone else more worried about innumeracy than about illegal copying?
posted by DevilsAdvocate at 9:11 AM on October 11, 2006


I'm more worried about almost anything than about illegal copying.
posted by sonofsamiam at 10:35 AM on October 11, 2006


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