Floyd Landis' Defense Online

October 12, 2006 3:20 PM

Floyd Landis' Defense Onilne.Two pdfs of his defense, one zip file with a dozen documents supporting his claim.
posted by fixedgear (25 comments total)

Thanks for this, I'll be interested to read it when I get a chance.
posted by OmieWise at 3:38 PM on October 12, 2006

I like that he's using fact based science, as opposed to that fiction based science. I like the way he thinks....hmmmm....
posted by nyxxxx at 3:46 PM on October 12, 2006

hey, this isn't about football, baseball, or hockey! biking season is over!
posted by clyde at 3:56 PM on October 12, 2006

I hope if he is cleared that massive amounts of steaming fecal matter hit the fan.
posted by craniac at 4:06 PM on October 12, 2006

Guilty. Him and Lance Armstrong.
posted by Kraftmatic Adjustable Cheese at 4:12 PM on October 12, 2006

The french swabbed his hotel doorknob with testosterone, cuz they couldn't stand the thought of their beloved race being dominated by yet another American.
posted by Fupped Duck at 4:53 PM on October 12, 2006

That final .pdf is pretty damning for that French lab. Not guilty, not that I actually care about cycling.
posted by Mach5 at 5:03 PM on October 12, 2006

I'm not particularly interested in the Landis case, but I think it will be interesting to see a complete dissection of modern drug testing methods. I get the feeling that while the experts who perform the testing behave with a great deal of apparent certainty, there might be a lot of wishful (or sloppy) thinking and fairy dust involved....
posted by mr_roboto at 5:26 PM on October 12, 2006

I'll read these but I'll be surprised if he gets out of a test showing he had synthetic testosterone in his system. That was the smoking gun in my mind.
posted by mathowie at 7:26 PM on October 12, 2006

If this was a trial, we have seen the defence, I'm reserving judgement til we see the prosecution's case.

But I thought it was all about him getting drunk drinking scotch the night before his amazing stage win?

I always find I'm in peak athletic form after a night of heavy drinking.
posted by jboy55 at 7:29 PM on October 12, 2006

Well, any one-sided case can always appear very compelling. Personally, I don't care. I say let 'em dope up. As long as they do it in a way that won't affect their long term health. Why should sports be only the domain of people who win the "genetic lottery" in things that can't be changed by exercise or lifestyle?
posted by delmoi at 7:54 PM on October 12, 2006

Guilty. Him and Lance Armstrong.

Dunno about the first guy, but that Armstrong character was definitely on some kind of dope. How else could somebody stretch their arms from one side of the room to the other, without breaking, and have them just snap back again as though nothing had happened?

And one day, I pulled down his trunks to take a peep and I swear, the guy had no nuts at all! If that isn't indicative of steroid use, then I don't know what is.

And this seems to be first hand testimony of somebody shooting him up:

"I remember my brother trying to pull his arms off and me getting upset.I one day poked him with a needle to see what was up.I hid him under the bed so my parents would'nt find out."

More testimony about Stretch's drug abusing past on here.
posted by PeterMcDermott at 8:05 PM on October 12, 2006 [2 favorites]

Well, he's not going down without a battle royal, I'll give him that.
posted by dhartung at 8:39 PM on October 12, 2006

The second PDF makes claims that unless they are outright and easily detected lies, would pretty much invalidate his positive test. They show forms allegedly released by the lab which show plainly satisfactory conditions for a degraded or contaminated sample by WADAs own rules. Unless everything is a transparent lie, this should pretty much invalidate the test.
posted by [expletive deleted] at 10:41 PM on October 12, 2006

I'll be surprised if he gets out of a test showing he had synthetic testosterone in his system

That's what I've been thinking too. I don't see how he can explain that away.
posted by prost at 11:14 PM on October 12, 2006

Dunno about the first guy, but that Armstrong character was definitely on some kind of dope. How else could somebody stretch their arms from one side of the room to the other, without breaking, and have them just snap back again as though nothing had happened?

You're thinking of stretch Armstrong.
posted by delmoi at 11:22 PM on October 12, 2006 [1 favorite]

I'll be surprised if he gets out of a test showing he had synthetic testosterone in his system

Well, according to the PDF the sample was proven to be degraded to a point beyond what is allowed by the testing rules. Therefore, the test itself is inadmissible.
posted by delmoi at 11:30 PM on October 12, 2006

Dunno about the first guy, but that Armstrong character was definitely on some kind of dope. How else could somebody stretch their arms from one side of the room to the other, without breaking, and have them just snap back again as though nothing had happened?

You're thinking of stretch Armstrong.

Satire! [that was actually really funny]

Why in the heck would he be taking testosterone during the tour? Testosterone is used to recover from hard training prior to the race, I thought. I think he was doping, but they nailed him for stuff he wasn't using, for political reasons.
posted by craniac at 11:32 PM on October 12, 2006

Well, according to the PDF the sample was proven to be degraded to a point beyond what is allowed by the testing rules

That's kind of my point. If I've understood Landis correctly, he isn't so much claiming innocence as trying to get off on a technicality.
posted by prost at 12:28 AM on October 13, 2006

Why in the heck would he be taking testosterone during the tour? Testosterone is used to recover from hard training prior to the race, I thought. I think he was doping, but they nailed him for stuff he wasn't using, for political reasons.
posted by craniac at 11:32 PM PST on October 12 [+] [!]

Talk about unfounded claims! What "political" reasons does the Tour have to want to persecute Landis? From all accounts he was well liked and everyone who loves cycling (EVERYONE) was in awe at his amazing tour stage that allowed him to take the Tour after having completely collapsed the day before.

Too bad he cheated to do so. He ripped true fan's hearts out.
posted by sic at 1:05 AM on October 13, 2006

Here's a decent take on this latest round of bullshit from Landis.
posted by sic at 1:13 AM on October 13, 2006

What I would like to see is the samples being kept and retested in the future with new techniques. That way athletes could have zero confidence in their ability to game the system. That and some criminal fraud punishment and sports would clean up real fast.
posted by srboisvert at 2:34 AM on October 13, 2006

hey, this isn't about football, baseball, or hockey! biking season is over!

Actually, the season ends this weekend in the Tour of Lombardy.
posted by caddis at 7:00 AM on October 13, 2006

This guy sounds like a tool.
posted by dirtynumbangelboy at 7:18 AM on October 13, 2006

Why in the heck would he be taking testosterone during the tour?

It is probably common practice:

Dr Moosburger explained how it was done. "You put a standard testosterone patch that is used for male hormone replacement therapy on your scrotum and leave it there for about six hours. The small dose is not sufficient to produce a positive urine result in the doping test, but the body actually recovers faster."

posted by Chuckles at 1:07 PM on October 13, 2006