Join 3,561 readers in helping fund MetaFilter (Hide)


When rappers get dissed
January 5, 2007 1:44 AM   Subscribe

Joey Jihad is a hot young rapper out of Philadelphia, who is on the verge of being signed by one of the majors. Recently though, Joey was humiliated on the streets when he was set up, punched and robbed. Word on the hip-hop message boards is that his assailant paid the ultimate price
posted by PeterMcDermott (77 comments total) 2 users marked this as a favorite

 
The second link "humiliated on the streets" goes to YouTube, but you have to sign up or log in to see it. You can avoid all that, if you want, by clicking on PeterMcDermott's third ("...ultimate price") link and going to the upper right hand corner and clicking on "Thread: Joey Jihad get's KNOCKED THE f*ck OUT!!!" At the top of that thread there's the same YouTube clip, without the hassle of logging in or whatever.
posted by flapjax at midnite at 2:08 AM on January 5, 2007


Oh, and the comments ("this sh*t funny as hell!" or "P*SSY had to sucker punch him", and so forth) are very enlightening.
posted by flapjax at midnite at 2:13 AM on January 5, 2007


Philadelphia's definitely getting more violent.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 2:19 AM on January 5, 2007


Lucky he survived that punch.
posted by chrisranjana.com at 2:32 AM on January 5, 2007


Dude calls himself Joey Jihad? Seriously? That sounds like a "funny" rapper name that Garrison Keillor would make up.
posted by Ian A.T. at 2:40 AM on January 5, 2007


I don't really know what to say about that...
posted by The God Complex at 3:16 AM on January 5, 2007


Dude calls himself Joey Jihad? Seriously? That sounds like a "funny" rapper name that Garrison Keillor would make up.

If anything is to define the fall of Western Civilization it would have to be the unceasing self-parodying of stereotypes.

All the world is a stage, y'know, but there's no backdrop like the supposed apocalypse.
posted by loquacious at 3:32 AM on January 5, 2007


From the second link's comments:

I can't understand one word in this video, nor in the comments.

Brilliant!
posted by claudius at 3:42 AM on January 5, 2007


Philadelphia's definitely getting more violent.

Yeah, he's lucky he didn't get shot to death.
posted by fixedgear at 3:47 AM on January 5, 2007


Dude calls himself Joey Jihad? Seriously? That sounds like a "funny" rapper name that Garrison Keillor would make up.

I thought the same thing about C-Murder.
posted by eustacescrubb at 4:06 AM on January 5, 2007


You know, this one of those things that people are going to point too as how the "YouTube revolution" is "changing everything!"

Think about it: you've a (very) minor celebrity's assault on video which leads to (possibly) to the murder of an up and coming boxer? And YouTube was at the center of it all?

Way more interesting than ghost ridding the whip.
posted by wfrgms at 4:26 AM on January 5, 2007


Another YouTube comment: "this nigga is still rapping to, That shit is carrer sabotogage, theres no coming back from that, no way"

Gotta wonder if that's true or not. The whole thing might help him get signed. If he can stay alive.
posted by flapjax at midnite at 4:37 AM on January 5, 2007


I'm guessing this is a black[Not Racist] culture thing?
posted by econous at 4:54 AM on January 5, 2007


This commenter poses a damn good question:

"what's the point of having a posse if they are just going to let some random dude come up, knock your ass out, and take off with your car?"

And then this one, which has a certain universal, familiar ring to it:

"i saw this alrdy old shit"
posted by flapjax at midnite at 5:12 AM on January 5, 2007 [3 favorites]


Here's my nomination to replace using "Previously" in teh blue with "i saw this alrdy old shit."
posted by Kibbutz at 5:18 AM on January 5, 2007 [11 favorites]


I work in the neighborhood where that kid got shot all the time, I have a bunch of clients up there. It's not exactly where I would want to live but it's not the worst neighborhood in the city by any stretch, either, so the violence definitely came to him. I know that might seem completely self-evident but with things the way they are in Philly right now it's entirely possible to just catch a bullet in a very wide cross section of neighborhoods.

I was walking with my girlfriend and her brother the other day past a neighborhood arcade that attracts a lot of young thug kids. There was a big crowd out front and I smelled weed smoke from a block away. When we passed them I went around one side of the crowd and my girlfriend and her brother went around the other. When I was on the other side I looked back and saw these two little punks had crisscrossed their front bike tires to block my girlfriend's path and a couple others were starting to circle around her.

Everything went fucking red, I got up in that little bitch's face and told him to make some space. I stood there right in his face staring him in the eye and he was about to shit himself. Of course, as soon as I did that the rest of the crowd started calling me a faggot and a pussy and as we walked away a couple of them told me to watch my back because I'm going to get shot. It took everything I could to keep from going back and caving that motherfucker's face in but the fact is that while I think it was a bluff, I don't know that it was.

And I don't like kids telling me I'm going to get shot because young kids with guns are the most unpredictable.

So yeah, things are a little crazy in Philly but they always are, it's just a matter of degrees and right now it's about at a boil.
posted by The Straightener at 5:20 AM on January 5, 2007 [9 favorites]


Awesome post Straightener.
posted by dropkick at 5:46 AM on January 5, 2007


Everything went fucking red, I got up in that little bitch's face and told him to make some space.
I stood there right in his face staring him in the eye and he was about to shit himself...
So yeah, things are a little crazy in Philly but they always are, it's just a matter of degrees
and right now it's about at a boil.


I am completely down with what you're saying but perhaps you might throw a little more rhyme into your rap? Frankly, your shit is not quite, what's the word, "carrer sabotogage". Have you ever thought of going a Gil-Scott Heron direction?
posted by hal9k at 5:49 AM on January 5, 2007


For a second I thought, "didn't Will Smith get attacked in Philly back in his rapping days as well?" But then I realized I was thinking of the Fresh Prince theme song.
posted by neda at 5:52 AM on January 5, 2007 [7 favorites]


I second Kibbutz's nomination.
posted by Brainy at 6:04 AM on January 5, 2007


neda

When a couple of guys
They were up to no good
Started making trouble in my neighborhood

I got in one little fight and my mom got scared
Said you're moving with your aunty and uncle to Bel-Aire


The real story, of course, is that Will Smith's rapping career crashed *hard* by 1990, possibly as a result of competition with the developing West Coast Ruthless/Death Row gangsta scene.

(Which ended up producing *far* better music, IMHO.)

He was on the verge of bankruptcy when (as legend has it) legendary music producer Quincy Jones convinced NBC to give him a job as an actor.

And thus Fresh Prince of Bel-Aire was born.
posted by The Confessor at 6:06 AM on January 5, 2007


Bel Air
posted by fixedgear at 6:31 AM on January 5, 2007


I don't know...not to take it somewhere else, but the whole country sort of feels like that to me. A lot of what I hear over the past year or so sounds like we're all at some odd boiling point and things are getting ready to pop. People seem very quick to get rude, nasty and in your face, traffic is more aggressive.


What's next? Human sacrifice? Dogs and cats living together? Mass hysteria?
posted by nevercalm at 6:36 AM on January 5, 2007 [1 favorite]


Call me crazy but I think it's the weather (on the east coast, at least). Seriously, we had a wicked, wicked hot summer in Philly this year that coincided with a nasty rise in homocides and other violent crimes. The weather eventually broke but it never got very cold. Winter usually throws a bucket of cold water on crimewaves because the chill drives a lot of drug traffic off corners and decreases the overall number of bodies on the street. It lets the air out of the balloon, so to speak, sort of stalls the momentum. That hasn't happened this year, summer 2006's crimewave has just kept right on chugging.

Wasn't there something in Freakonomics about this? Maybe in the abortion/homocide chapter, I can't remember and don't have the time to dig it up right now.
posted by The Straightener at 6:54 AM on January 5, 2007


perhaps you might throw a little more rhyme into your rap?

I was walking with my girlfriend just the other day,
When some thug kids riding bicycles began to play,
They blocked off her path, so she could no longer walk,
And they started disrespecting her with nasty talk,
Everything went fucking red and I got in that kid's face,
Told the little motherfuckers they should make some space,
Looked him in the eye till he near shit his pants,
Then his boys started threatening the nine-mil dance,
Now when little kids get psycho, I begin to get scared,
So now I'm posting to my homies on Meta-Filtaire
posted by PeterMcDermott at 6:56 AM on January 5, 2007 [19 favorites]


My guess is the 'attack' was probably a setup, I mean it seems like these Hiphop "beefs" are mostly just bullshit to get in the press and sell extra records.

I don't know...not to take it somewhere else, but the whole country sort of feels like that to me. A lot of what I hear over the past year or so sounds like we're all at some odd boiling point and things are getting ready to pop.

Are you kidding? Violence happens all the time, it just usually isn't attached to this level of absurdity. The absurdity, not the violence, is why you heard about it. Get some perspective.
posted by delmoi at 6:56 AM on January 5, 2007


Yeah, kick that shit wegro.
posted by The Straightener at 6:57 AM on January 5, 2007


Now when little kids get psycho, I begin to get scared,
So now I'm posting to my homies on Meta-Filtaire


We got your back yo!

By 'got your back' I mean that we are fully prepared to comment with a '.' in a MeTa thread when its posted that a mefite was gatted to death by bicycling hoodlums.
posted by ND¢ at 7:18 AM on January 5, 2007 [3 favorites]


PeterMcDermott, you've inspired me to contribute a slightly different version of events:

I was chillin' with a girlie from around the way
when some punk-ass fools tried to make a play
all up in her face, and walkin' that walk
gettin' all stoopid wif some ignint talk
that shit's messed up i don't play like that
so what if the muthafuckas got 'im a gat?
all i had ta do was look him straight in the eye
and say word punk bitch I'm-a make you die
then he runnin' to his mommy, now he all off-kiltered
and he don't even know he been Metafiltered
posted by flapjax at midnite at 7:20 AM on January 5, 2007 [8 favorites]


Oh you made cuz I'm stylin on you!
posted by milarepa at 7:28 AM on January 5, 2007


Snuck, indeed.
posted by squarehead at 7:44 AM on January 5, 2007


IM IN UR GHETTO SHOOTIN ALL UR BOXERS
posted by analogue at 7:51 AM on January 5, 2007 [1 favorite]


I hope Bob Odenkirk has a posse.

c-c-c-c-check out the title deed!!
posted by KevinSkomsvold at 7:55 AM on January 5, 2007 [1 favorite]


I hope Bob Odenkirk has a posse.

And hopefully a tougher one than Joey Jihad's crew!

(that vid is pretty funny!)
posted by flapjax at midnite at 8:02 AM on January 5, 2007


Hey look it's Time Magazine's Person of the Year!
posted by wigu at 8:06 AM on January 5, 2007


The OP says that Jihad was "recently" humiliated on the streets. According to two different sources, the boxer named in the last link (William Boggs) was killed in April of 2006.

Shenanigans?
posted by DWRoelands at 8:10 AM on January 5, 2007


delmoi: "My guess is the 'attack' was probably a setup, I mean it seems like these Hiphop "beefs" are mostly just bullshit to get in the press and sell extra records."

I don't know what you mean by a setup. If you mean that Jihad was set up, then that looks to be true. It looks as though the cameraman had to be in on it. Apparently, he'd asked Jihad to get out of his car and spit a rhyme on video for a DVD that he was making, but that smug guy cackling at the end seems to be either the cameraman himself or one of his friends. Also, if the cameraman wasn't in on it, how would it have made it onto YouTube?

However, in a culture that thrives on machismo and not being seen as being a pussy, it's inconceivable to me that any rapper would allow themselves to be filmed getting knocked out and having their wheels stolen from under them.
posted by PeterMcDermott at 8:13 AM on January 5, 2007


The OP says that Jihad was "recently" humiliated on the streets. According to two different sources, the boxer named in the last link (William Boggs) was killed in April of 2006.

"i saw this alrdy old shit"

Depends on your definition of recent, I guess.
posted by fixedgear at 8:15 AM on January 5, 2007


The OP says that Jihad was "recently" humiliated on the streets. According to two different sources, the boxer named in the last link (William Boggs) was killed in April of 2006.

The video was added to YouTube in April. This isn't really "recent."
posted by mediareport at 8:21 AM on January 5, 2007


DWRoelands: "Shenanigans?"

Check out the date of the upload of the 'humiliation' video.
posted by PeterMcDermott at 8:22 AM on January 5, 2007


Shenanigans?

Yes. I think PeterMcDermott shot that boxer back in April, and put together this whole series of links implicating Joey Jihad in the murder. Why? The answer is obvious: McDermott has his eye on a major label record contract (notice how he slipped that rhyme into this thread). But he knows he'll never land the big deal as long as Jihad is around. He's used MeFi in an elaborate plot to frame his arch-rival Jihad so he can get him out of the way and become a filthy rich rap star. It's as plain as the nose on your face.
posted by flapjax at midnite at 8:24 AM on January 5, 2007


Call me crazy but I think it's the weather

You're crazy. It's the dumbass we call the mayor.
posted by three blind mice at 8:24 AM on January 5, 2007


I heard Denny (Blazin) Hazen was the trigger man.
posted by numlok at 8:28 AM on January 5, 2007


Boy, this whole situation is moronic on all levels.
posted by punkrockrat at 8:30 AM on January 5, 2007


numlok, I'm totally blazed. Pure gold.
posted by flapjax at midnite at 8:40 AM on January 5, 2007


So I may be missing something but I can't find anything that suggests the boxer was the guy that hit him. Also, is there anything to corroborate the background in this comment because I can't find anything about that either. As it stands this post is pretty light on information.
posted by bob sarabia at 9:01 AM on January 5, 2007


Does the "no snitchin'" policy still apply?
posted by dr_dank at 9:14 AM on January 5, 2007


numlok, that shit was bad (like Michael Jackson).
posted by asok at 9:20 AM on January 5, 2007


flapjax at midnite: "Shenanigans?

Yes. I think PeterMcDermott shot that boxer back in April, and put together this whole series of links implicating Joey Jihad in the murder.
"

It's true. Here's my associate, Chic Raw, confronting Joey Jihad's associate D.Jones a week or two before Jihad was snuck, and LilMan dissing the pair of them.

Shooterz4Life (Great Crosby chapter)
posted by PeterMcDermott at 9:22 AM on January 5, 2007


bob sarabia: "So I may be missing something but I can't find anything that suggests the boxer was the guy that hit him. "

The backstory is all in this thread, but there's a very high signal to noise ratio. Of course, it's all unverifiable gossip.
posted by PeterMcDermott at 9:26 AM on January 5, 2007


There is 47 google hits for the search "William Boggs" "Joey Jihad" -- and non of them are reliable in making the connection, they are all forum posts. This is just a rumor which could be true or not and we'll probably never know.
posted by bhouston at 9:26 AM on January 5, 2007


Boy, this whole situation is moronic on all levels.

Yup. So is this thread. It's good thing we don't unfairly stereotype Rap and young black men as violent anymore. Other wise we might make those kids feel bad.
posted by tkchrist at 9:27 AM on January 5, 2007


You're crazy. It's the dumbass we call the mayor.

Sorry, I should have said the weather is contributing to the extended length of the city's current violent crimewave, I was rushing to get out of the office.

I was just up that way, apparently someone busted down the door of the rowhouse next to my client last night and stomped the shit out of the dealer who lives there. Nobody called 911, no police came.

I took a look at the door of the next house over to try to verify the story. The wood around the doorknob was all shattered and there was a dirty sock stuffed in the hole the assailants punched over it so they could reach in and undo the lock.

Such is life in North Philly, yo.
posted by The Straightener at 9:27 AM on January 5, 2007


Straightener, in the future you'd be wise to move to the other side of the street long before you hit that block (you smelled the weed from a block away). I survived growing up in NYC in the 70's and 80's by keeping my telescopic eyes peeled for future confrontations and avoiding them before it looks like I'm avoiding them. If avoiding them becomes impossible you did the textbook thing of getting right in the offender's face and not backing down. Fear can get you killed in that situation.
posted by any major dude at 9:30 AM on January 5, 2007


Ugh. That should be LOW signal to noise ratio. Unless you regard lots of "ha ha ha, pussy!" as signal.
posted by PeterMcDermott at 9:30 AM on January 5, 2007


The backstory is all in this thread, but there's a very high signal to noise ratio. Of course, it's all unverifiable gossip.

Ah, I had a feeling it was in there. I had a lot of trouble deciphering any coherent thought from that gibberish and had to stop reading after a few comments.
posted by bob sarabia at 9:33 AM on January 5, 2007


apparently this is the whole knock out video. It may offer some more perspective, but the audio is pretty bad.
posted by paxton at 9:36 AM on January 5, 2007


you'd be wise to move to the other side of the street long before you hit that block

Exactly the conclusion I came to after the fact. I'm not trying to be tough or prove any points, btw, I'm just saying that when I saw a couple dudes circling around my girlfriend a big neon sign started flashing in front of my face that said, "KILL, KILL, KILL." Just like anyone else, or at least many others, I would imagine. I think the worst thing that could have happened would have been going back to prove a point, then I would at least have gotten my ass kicked.

Fear can get you killed in that situation.

I know this, I'm in the neighborhoods a lot and it's very important to carry yourself like you know exactly where you are and what you're doing there.
posted by The Straightener at 9:36 AM on January 5, 2007


I was just watching CNN where they were showing a promo of the first Muslim sitcom (the comedic potential is very, very high). The cop who was questoning the Imam who was mistaken for a terrorist calls him "Johnny Jihad." Think they are related?
posted by fixedgear at 9:38 AM on January 5, 2007


Oh, and the comments ("this sh*t funny as hell!" or "P*SSY had to sucker punch him", and so forth) are very enlightening.

The Internet has always had loud dumb people, but I've never seen anything quite as bad as the people who comment on Youtube videos
posted by Mayor West at 9:48 AM on January 5, 2007


Check out the date of the upload of the 'humiliation' video.

Ah, I should have been a little more thorough. Thanks for the heads-up, PeterMcDermott.
posted by DWRoelands at 9:52 AM on January 5, 2007


How could you tell the sock was dirty? Did you smell it or just look really, really closely?
posted by econous at 10:23 AM on January 5, 2007



The Internet has always had loud dumb people, but I've never seen anything quite as bad as the people who comment on Youtube videos


i take it you and him never looked at the now-closed yahoo current event message boards ... god, what a waste
posted by pyramid termite at 10:29 AM on January 5, 2007


Errbody in the blue gettin' tipsy.
posted by emelenjr at 10:30 AM on January 5, 2007


just the name "joey jihad" is a visceral turn-off to a white, secular libertarian conservative like myself. after he joins tupac and notorious b.i.g. in hell, they'll need only one more for rappin bridge:

ah gots seven diamonds with a jack and a queen
but just ten points, you know what i mean?
can i bid for slam, cuz ah _am_ da man
but tupac passed, foshizzle his hand
my el aitch oh is grinnin bad
and if i get set, i be 2 2 sad
but ah the boss thug, this contrack gonna steal
ah's a playa in hell, jus keepin it real.
posted by bruce at 10:43 AM on January 5, 2007


I live/work in philly also.

the situation this year is especially bad, and without a break to could make 2007 pretty rough.
posted by Addiction at 10:56 AM on January 5, 2007


There is 47 google hits for the search [...] and non of them are reliable in making the connection.

Now this is real detective work.

"As you can see officer, my truck is no where on google maps, so you must be mistaken of my speeding."
posted by YoBananaBoy at 11:32 AM on January 5, 2007 [1 favorite]


Mayor West, that link is hilarious
posted by exogenous at 11:39 AM on January 5, 2007


The Internet has always had loud dumb people, but I've never seen anything quite as bad as the people who comment on Youtube videos

Nope, not as bad as the IMDb discussion boards.
posted by mkb at 2:00 PM on January 5, 2007


couple punks approached my girl and i almost decked 'em
hulk sees green, i'm the opposite side of the spectrum
"make me some space like rupert murdoch or some shit gon' happen"
protectin' my matey like a pirate ship captain
some you-know-what stopped just short of dude's colon
i walked my girl through and these cats weren't just cajoling
serious threats about faggots and bullet poppin'
first i'm turnin' around but then i be stoppin'
its a matter of degrees and right now it's about to boil
best keep on walkin' and bust out the sun tan oil
before the kid shoots me in the head
and logs in to post a period in the thread
posted by white light at 2:23 PM on January 5, 2007 [1 favorite]


mkb : "Nope, not as bad as the IMDb discussion boards."

If there were some way to quantify exactly how good or how bad something is, I'd love to know the precise nadir of the net.
posted by Bugbread at 2:57 PM on January 5, 2007


Oh my god, I'm so glad that this discussion has turned to YouTube (and IMDB) commentators. If anything, that webcomic makes the posters seem way more articulate than they actually are. The other day I saw someone signal their agreement with "I se agrew wiht u." Really? In a five word sentence, you can only get one of them right?

But mostly the weirdest thing about YouTube comments is how, no matter what the subject of the video is, the messages almost always and immediately descend into really odious racism. I mean, I know that there are racists everywhere, and internet anonymity only exacerbates the situation, but SERIOUSLY. I was watching a Real World: Denver clip, and within the first few comments Ty (one of the black cast members) was called a "negro," a "silverback gorilla," and a "sub-human." By three different posters.
posted by Ian A.T. at 3:43 PM on January 5, 2007


This piece about Philly by Neal Pollack kind of sums up that town, the way I saw it. That city is by far the craziest place I ever lived.
posted by ph00dz at 7:27 PM on January 5, 2007


The Internet has always had loud dumb people, but I've never seen anything quite as bad as the people who comment on Youtube videos

posted by numlok at 11:30 PM on January 7, 2007


The Internet has always had loud dumb people, but I've never seen anything quite as bad as the people who comment on Metafilter.
[/slaps self with trout]
posted by numlok at 11:37 PM on January 7, 2007


[/slaps self with trout]

numlok, that trout didn't deserve that...
posted by flapjax at midnite at 12:44 AM on January 8, 2007


It seems like a pretty silly thing to do This Jihad guy may be looking at a jail cell for a lont time coming.
posted by yoel88 at 11:12 AM on January 8, 2007


« Older "No spreck-a de Irish, no."...  |  DIY Pong Watch... Newer »


This thread has been archived and is closed to new comments