do American pols always get this morally retarded every time big elections are around the corner?Some of our pols are always this retarded. It's just that we ignore our lawmakers except during Presidential election years.
On April 19, 1995, in Oklahoma City a terrorist detonated a bomb that killed my mother and 167 others. 19 children died that day. Had I not had the chicken pox that day, the body count would've likely have included one more. Over 800 other Oklahomans were injured that day and many of those still suffer through their permanent wounds.Read the entire letter to Sally Kern from an Oklahoma high school senior.
That terrorist was neither a homosexual or was he involved in Islam. He was an extremist Christian forcing his views through a body count. He held his beliefs and made those who didn't live up to them pay with their lives.
As you were not a resident of Oklahoma on that day, it could be explained why you so carelessly chose words saying that the homosexual agenda is worst than terrorism. I can most certainly tell you through my own experience that is not true. I am sure there are many people in your voting district that laid a loved one to death after the terrorist attack on Oklahoma City. I kind of doubt you'll find one of them that will agree with you.
Leviticus 20:13: If a man lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death.Did she even READ the book she claims to be defending?
Leviticus 24:16: And he that blasphemeth the name of the Lord, he shall surely be put to death.
Exodus 21:17: He that curseth his father or his mother, shall surely be put to death.
"No society that has embraced homosexuality has lasted more than a few decades, so it is the death knell of this country."posted by ericb at 7:54 AM on March 13, 2008
"All hurricanes are acts of God, because God controls the heavens. I believe that New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God, and they were recipients of the judgment of God for that.posted by ericb at 8:05 AM on March 13, 2008 [1 favorite]
The newspaper carried the story in our local area, that was not carried nationally, that there was to be a homosexual parade there on the Monday that the Katrina came. And the promise of that parade was that it would was going to reach a level of sexuality never demonstrated before in any of the other gay pride parades.
So I believe that the judgment of God is a very real thing. I know there are people who demur from that, but I believe that the Bible teaches that when you violate the law of God, that God brings punishment sometimes before the Day of Judgment, and I believe that the Hurricane Katrina was, in fact, the judgment of God against the city of New Orleans." *
"Jesse Kern, Sally’s son, was raised in a strict Baptist environment. If your claims are true [that he is gay] then you must blame her and her husband for his turning out that way. Most gays aren’t out there breaking the law and engaging in public sex acts and solicitation. Jesse chose criminal behavior to act out on his desires.posted by ericb at 8:50 AM on March 13, 2008 [1 favorite]
…I see in this foolish woman much anger and resentment. Her beliefs are challenged within herself, because if she stands by them then she must accept her part in her son being a homosexual. She isn’t strong enough to do that. Instead, she has created a paranoid delusion that there is some vast conspiracy of gays infiltrating schools and governments to turn others gay and force their lifestyles on everyone. Her subconscious has created this great gay evil so she doesn’t have to blame herself and she says her son as a victim.
Had the gays infiltrated Jesse’s school and indoctrinated him then? Funny, how he attended Baptist schools. His attendence [sic] at Oklahoma Baptist University was marred by his repeated censure for cruising the school’s toilets. Had he been able to live his life openly he would not have had to engage in such actions."
My wife, Sally,was attacked this weekend by hundreds of pro-homosexual e-mails from all over the world.... I told the people about the situation and then preached a message on having God dwell amongst [us].... During our prayer time in the middle of the service, Jack and Phyllis Poe... came up to the choir and hugged Sally and prayed for her.... At the end of the services Sterling Arntzen had Sally and I sit on the front pew so the people could surround us and pray. Gary Pound, our deacon chairman lead [sic] the prayer. It was a beautiful time.And see, that's where I lose it. Poor, poor babies. No, no, no, no -- you bigots don't get to play the persecution card. You don't get to whine about being "attacked."
After the service, Sally and I went to lunch with the Poes. They told us an amazing thing. They knew nothing about what was happening to Sally when they came to worship at Olivet. They just felt a strong urging of the Lord to attend. After hearing what was happening to Sally they knew and we knew the Lord had sent them to lift Sally up. It was a confirmation to us all that God is doing something and is working in our behalf. It was obviously one of those "God things" we refer to at times. The church praying for us was a tremendous up lifting experience as well.
“An elected state representative of Oklahoma and Oklahoma City recently committed a grievous disservice to the people of the state.posted by ericb at 12:51 PM on March 13, 2008
Rep. Sally Kern (R-Oklahoma City) did an excellent job of misrepresenting her constituents and the State of Oklahoma when she spoke using what many would consider to be homophobic rhetoric.
The media has made numerous reports about Kern's quote ‘I honestly think it's the biggest threat ... our nation has, even more so than terrorism or Islam, which I think is a big threat.’ Many opinion threads have pointed out she has a right to express her opinion as granted by the First Amendment of the U.S. Bill of Rights.
I can't argue that fact, however, when a person is elected to represent the people of a district, city, state, etc., their voice ceases to be their own, and they now must consider what consequences their words will have on their constituents.
In my opinion it's ignorance and intolerance that are the greatest threat to this nation. Kern's comments are evidence of her own ignorance and intolerance of at least two groups of our society and the issues concerning them.
Kern said, ‘Not everybody's lifestyle is equal, just like not all religions are equal.’ Yet, the Declaration of Independence states, ‘We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal.’
Kern also said in her lecture that the ‘homosexual agenda is destroying this country.’ She went on to say, ‘Gays are infiltrating city councils,’ and that student organizations such as the Gay and Straight Alliance are entering our schools to ‘indoctrinate’ our children.
Kern said she taught school for 20 years, but then said, ‘We're not teaching facts and knowledge anymore folks. We're teaching indoctrination.’ According to Merriam-Webster's 11th Collegiate Dictionary, to indoctrinate has two definitions: to instruct, or ‘to imbue with a usually partisan or sectarian opinion, point of view or principle.’ Well, I'd have to agree in Kern's case. Her lecture most certainly provided a sectarian point of view regarding Islam and homosexuality.
Her remark regarding the duration of societies that have embraced homosexuality only lends more evidence to this argument. She said, ‘Studies show that no society that has totally embraced homosexuality has lasted more than a few decades.’ What studies indicate this? Ancient Roman and Greek cultures accepted homosexuality and each lasted for centuries.
Kern's remarks made it quite clear that she is in fact ignorant of the role of homosexuality in ancient history, the place of gays in our society, and also the health related issues concerning homosexuality. Her comments further demonstrate that she has little understanding of Islam or the Quran. In fact she knew quite well what the ramifications of her remarks were as she said, ‘Talking to you like this today puts me in jeopardy.’
Elected government officials have a duty to represent the interests of their constituents, and to remember that when they speak they are in fact speaking on behalf of those constituents. Also, the people, as members of a democratic society, have a responsibility to elect representatives who will represent them best and who will at least have the common sense not to use such intolerant rhetoric when speaking in a public forum.”
A recording of Kern stating that the "homosexual agenda is just destroying this nation" and represents a greater threat to America than "terrorism or Islam" is on the video-sharing Web site YouTube, which has received a half million hits in four days.posted by dw at 1:01 PM on March 13, 2008
Kern, who was speaking to a group of Republicans when the inflammatory remarks were secretly recorded, now claims her comments were taken out of context.
We would only hope. But unfortunately that's not what the evidence suggests. Kern, a former teacher and wife of a Baptist minister, claims that she was only exercising her free speech rights. Those would be the same rights that led her on a crusade a few years back to pull library books off school shelves and to cut library funding.
Kern indeed has the right of free speech but she also enjoys the privilege of suffering the consequences. So far she's received at least 5,000 e-mails, most spanking her for suggesting "the homosexual lifestyle is destroying our country."
Joe Solmonese, head of the 700,000-member Human Rights Campaign, the nation's largest gay and lesbian civil rights group, has written a letter to Gov. Brad Henry, suggesting that words matter, especially coming from an elected official whose job it is to represent all her constituents -- an official who should set an example.
That apparently isn't how Kern's Republican colleagues see it. Instead of flinching at her intolerance, they appeared to embrace it Monday with a big group hug and a standing ovation for their YouTube star.
Their reaction is one that should be remembered by more tolerant Oklahomans come election time. Equating sexual orientation with knocking down the World Trade Center is divisive and dangerous, not to mention dumb.
Rep. Kern may think she speaks only for herself but in the eyes of the nation her vitriol slops over on all Oklahomans.
"While her comments have garnered widespread condemnation, back home in Oklahoma, Kern has received support from her fellow Republicans:posted by ericb at 12:26 PM on March 16, 2008'I would submit to you that the vast majority of the folks in our caucus, particularly those who consider themselves conservative, stand with and support Sally,' said state Rep. Randy Terrill."
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Interestingly, the youtube video's been yanked for TOS violations.
posted by boo_radley at 9:23 PM on March 12, 2008 [1 favorite]