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Crash Man beats Flash Man beats Quick Man beats Metal Man beats Bubble Man beats Heat Man beats Wood Man beats Air Man beats CRASHMAN!!! (ad infinitum)
posted by Navelgazer (75 comments total) 27 users marked this as a favorite

 
Actually, the Crash bomb is incredibly effective against Quick Man. The Flash Stopper is useless in combat (though the equivalent from Megaman 4 allows you to fire upon frozen enemies) and basically has no use beyond making Quick Man's level easier. Also, I seem to recall that Metal Man's weapon is superior to Heat Man's weapon against Wood Man (whose weapon is nearly useless other than helping out in three screens of Crash Man's level).

The best order to tackle the bosses of Megaman 2 is Airman ->Crashman->Quickman (if you're good enough to get through the beams)->Metalman->Flashman->Quickman (if you're not)->Bubbleman (can be done any time past Metalman, really)->Heatman, and do Woodman whenever you feel like it because he's dead easy.

Taking on Metalman first and using the Metal Blade instead of the regular gun for the rest of the game (other than on those rare immune enemies) is also a viable strategy, though there are some bonuses in Metalman's stage that you'll want Item-2 (obtained from Airman) to acquire. And of course, unless you're good at jumping between disappearing blocks, you'll want Item-2 before going into Heatman's stage.

How do I remember all this?
posted by Pope Guilty at 6:24 PM on March 16, 2008 [7 favorites]


i like these even better

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cvi40ykYyc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oq_ViejpZk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JmvvgCf4MM
posted by rxrfrx at 6:25 PM on March 16, 2008 [1 favorite]


And to go along with all those videos, you'll want the best NES band around, The Advantage, performing Dr. Wiley, Stage One from the same game.
posted by Pope Guilty at 6:26 PM on March 16, 2008 [2 favorites]


Fucking Quick Man, always had to get my older sister to do that one for me.
posted by furiousxgeorge at 6:28 PM on March 16, 2008 [2 favorites]


Hmm, that didn't come out right.
posted by furiousxgeorge at 6:29 PM on March 16, 2008 [10 favorites]


Where's Particle Man and Triangle Man?
posted by rokusan at 6:30 PM on March 16, 2008 [3 favorites]


Actually, no, that's Flash Man. Oh, how ashamed could I be? Here, have The Advantage doing Crash Man.

This post has given me a reason to go hunt down my copy of their CD. Thank you, OP!
posted by Pope Guilty at 6:30 PM on March 16, 2008


This is Dr. Wiley - stage 1, and it's incidentally the best nintendo theme ever. No arguing!
posted by GeekAnimator at 6:33 PM on March 16, 2008 [6 favorites]


I fucking love The Advantage.
posted by shakespeherian at 6:35 PM on March 16, 2008


Pope Guilty, my preferred order was always Bubble Man -> Flash Man -> Quick Man -> Metal Man -> Wood Man -> Air Man -> Heat Man -> Crash Man. I missed a lot of bonuses, but really—who needs them in MM2? It's by far the easiest in the series.
posted by sonic meat machine at 6:36 PM on March 16, 2008


Augh, I just quit a frustrating session of trying to get through the Quickman beams in I Wanna Be The Guy. I do not need to hear any more Dr. Wiley Stage 1 BGM right now, thank you.

(One boss to go!)
posted by painquale at 6:38 PM on March 16, 2008


I disagree- Megaman 3 is far easier, apart from the "revisited" stages- especially Shadowman' Revisited, which was an excuse for the designers to stick so many spikes in a video game level that one begins to suspect that one is playing an NES port of I Wanna Be the Guy.

I'm not really sure how to talk about how hard or easy NES games are anymore, since I hear that Contra is considered to be hard, and I can beat it, most of the time, without even being hit. Thing is, I've played it, off and on, for about twenty years, including that period of one's childhood where, if one is so inclined, one can spend more time staring at a CRT than sleeping. I had damn well better be godlike at it. So how hard are these game? I really don't have the ability to comment, I suspect.
posted by Pope Guilty at 6:42 PM on March 16, 2008




Pope Guilty et. al:

As anyone knows, no one in their right mind would start the game with Crash Man. It's incredibly irritating, difficult, and there's no glory in it, like starting with Heat Man or Quick Man (which I do now).

However, in looking things up for this, it turns out that Crash Man has more then the average number of interesting videos for it's theme, so I chose that as the bookends.

In any case: Start with Quick Man. The stage is set up to make you choose between using the flash stopper for the lasers or to make the boss battle easier. THis just means that you don't really need it for either. Be a man and take this one the hard way.

Then onto Metal Man. I always found his battle a little tougher than other people did, but the boomerangs take care of him very - well - quickly. At this point you've got the two best weapons in the game for regular use (and the two which, essentially, never run out).

Onto Bubble Man - the boomerangs take care of most of the enemies very well, and the metal blades mean that the boss battle takes all of five seconds.

Heat Man - here's where it gets tricky, because you don't have Item two yet, so you need to know your way across the chasm without it, but what are you playing mega man for if you're just going to chicken out about stuff? Heat man has the most reliable pattern aside from Wood Man, and bubble lead takes care of him in a few hits.

Wood Man. Bubble lead is also very effective against those carrot-pitting bunnies that can be such a pain in the ass here. Use metal against the fire-breathing dogs and the birds eggs if they hatch. remember to charge up your Atomic Fire entirely before letting loose on WOod Man, and you'll have him down in two shots.

Air Man: you've gotta get through the stage on your own, but the trick with Air Man is to get in close and then let loose a swarm of leaf shields against him. You'll get hurt here, but it doesn't matter much.

Crash Man - Item one if you wanna skip past the track parts, quick boomerang if not. Leaf Shield for the ladder at the end. Air Tornadoes (or whatever their called) to make short work of Crash.

Flash Man. Use crash to get the goodies, and then use the Mega Buster on Flash Man himself just to let him know his place, and how much of an afterthought he is.
posted by Navelgazer at 6:47 PM on March 16, 2008 [1 favorite]


Since we're on this - does anybody know if they're bringing Megaman to the Virtual Console for the Wii ??
posted by cashman at 6:50 PM on March 16, 2008


Crash Man?

Say what?
posted by mr_crash_davis at 6:51 PM on March 16, 2008


In any case: Start with Quick Man. The stage is set up to make you choose between using the flash stopper for the lasers or to make the boss battle easier. THis just means that you don't really need it for either. Be a man and take this one the hard way.

False. Your main gun (the megabuster or whatever) is disabled while the flash stopper is equipped. The sole purpose of the item is to stop the beams in Quick Man's level from appearing, though it only gets you through about 2/3 of the screens you have to fall through (Megaman 2 having only horizontal scrolling).
posted by Pope Guilty at 6:51 PM on March 16, 2008


ALso, Pope Guilty, and this just comes from a long day playing through the Anniversary Collection, but 2 is the easiest, and 3 is probably the hardest, by my estimation. 1 is far, far easier (though less forgiving of mistakes) than I had remembered.
posted by Navelgazer at 6:51 PM on March 16, 2008


I've got a friend whose independent record label used to be called "Crash Bomb Records", in tribute to Crashman. That changed after 9/11...
posted by Pope Guilty at 6:52 PM on March 16, 2008


Pope Guilty, I hate to disagree with you again, but using the flash stopper in the boss battle against quick man takes away half of his life. You then use whatever other weapon you choose to against him (except that most, including metal blades, just bounce right off him).
posted by Navelgazer at 6:53 PM on March 16, 2008 [3 favorites]


Where's Particle Man and Triangle Man?

They have a fight, Triangle wins.

I may never have understood a post less than I understand this one, but I felt certain there would be a TMBG reference somewhere inside.
posted by Horace Rumpole at 6:54 PM on March 16, 2008 [3 favorites]


ALso, Pope Guilty, and this just comes from a long day playing through the Anniversary Collection, but 2 is the easiest, and 3 is probably the hardest, by my estimation. 1 is far, far easier (though less forgiving of mistakes) than I had remembered.

Weird. I tear through 2 and 3 like they're nothing, 1 gives me some trouble, and starting with 4 I can't make it through a single stage. Anything in the Megaman series past 3 seems incredibly, unforgivingly hard to me.
posted by Pope Guilty at 6:54 PM on March 16, 2008


Where's Particle Man and Triangle Man?

They have a fight, Triangle wins.

But Universe Man is size of the entire universe, man!

Thankfully, he's usually kind to Smaller Man.
posted by 5MeoCMP at 6:59 PM on March 16, 2008 [1 favorite]


Pope Guilty, I hate to disagree with you again, but using the flash stopper in the boss battle against quick man takes away half of his life.

Haha, WOW. I would never have even thought to try that and am confused that anyone did.
posted by Pope Guilty at 6:59 PM on March 16, 2008


I'm all about Bombman, Gutsman, Cutsman, Elecman, Iceman, Fireman. Keepin it old school.
posted by RokkitNite at 7:01 PM on March 16, 2008


Metafilter: I may never have understood a post less than I understand this one.
posted by My Bloody Pony at 7:01 PM on March 16, 2008 [1 favorite]


Where's Particle Man and Triangle Man?

They're in Istanbul.

(not Constantinople)
posted by TwoWordReview at 7:03 PM on March 16, 2008 [1 favorite]


NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERDS
posted by loquacious at 7:03 PM on March 16, 2008 [4 favorites]


So, I'm looking at this and I'm thinking "Why haven't I played Mega Man enough to know the themes? I know it's a classic series and many people love it. The collection I have of the games is collecting dust; I don't even know if I beat any of the games in it."

So, congratulations, Metafilter. As soon as I'm done with Brawl for the immediate moment I'm going to play through the entire collection.

I hope you're happy.
posted by flatluigi at 7:24 PM on March 16, 2008


There is, of course, the Minibosses performing a Mega Man 2 medley at the Smell in Los Angeles. For a hipster fashion show. (Watch the video for the crowd reaction at the beginning, if nothing else. Also, from the same show, a Castlevania medley, which has an even better crowd reaction.)
posted by suckerpunch at 7:31 PM on March 16, 2008


But nobody beats Day Man, Fighter of the Night Man...
posted by skammer at 7:31 PM on March 16, 2008


My 8- and 16-bit days were spent with Sega hardware, so Mega Man largely passed me by. My only real exposure to the series was Mega Man X. Even that was hard for me.
posted by danb at 7:39 PM on March 16, 2008


The score of Mega Man 2 is truly one of the great triumphs of mankind. Good call.
posted by pokermonk at 7:42 PM on March 16, 2008


Since we're on this - does anybody know if they're bringing Megaman to the Virtual Console for the Wii ??

I would have to guess they will eventually. But if not, there's always this.
posted by danb at 7:43 PM on March 16, 2008


but... but.. I can't beat Air Man!
posted by Saydur at 8:05 PM on March 16, 2008 [4 favorites]


Saydur, that video is awesome, and yet sad. Air Man is one of the only Robot Masters who can basically be beaten with brute force of the mega buster if need be with no problem.

Video dude lacks some serious skillz, is I guess what I'm saying.
posted by Navelgazer at 8:10 PM on March 16, 2008


somebody do a Contra post tomorrow.

or better yet - a Blaster Master post.
posted by mr_book at 8:10 PM on March 16, 2008 [1 favorite]


mr_book: Just if it's not a Sonic post. That's the other collection I bought that I have barely touched.

And I stand by what I said; I'm going to try to beat the entire series on that collection.
posted by flatluigi at 8:13 PM on March 16, 2008


Countess Elena, thanks for that link. I had never heard of this, and it is truly badass.
posted by adamdschneider at 8:21 PM on March 16, 2008


That last link was fantastic! Now I know what's missing from all of Justin Timberlake's music.

It reminded me of Beck's "Gameboy Variations" EP.
posted by PM at 8:22 PM on March 16, 2008 [3 favorites]


You're welcome Adam. Also, unless I missed it, this thread lacks The Megas. These guys are a full rock band with lyrics to all the MM2 themes. Some of the lyrics aren't so great; others really add to the experience, like Air Man's angst.

(Oddly, I know more about Mega Man now than I did as a kid. I played Simon's Quest and Life Force over and over then, but nobody has yet caused them to rock as hard.)
posted by Countess Elena at 8:31 PM on March 16, 2008


flatluigi, if you're gonna do it, why not blog it, ala Blogging Ultima?
posted by JHarris at 8:31 PM on March 16, 2008


Dude, Metal Blade against Metal Man. I felt like a genius when I first tried that.

I liked that this post affirmed that everyone loves to have a good time playing Mega Man themes at in their bedrooms.

For some "professional" contrast, here's the Minibosses devastating medley.
posted by ignignokt at 8:36 PM on March 16, 2008


JHarris: flatluigi, if you're gonna do it, why not blog it, ala Blogging Ultima?

Because it'd be a fairly major project: I'd have to figure out a (legal) way to record my progress through video, I'd have to set aside the time to play the games and write it up, and I'd have to play the games enough to make it an enjoyable experience for the people who may follow the blog.

Currently, I've played enough to have some knowlege of the game -- making a blind playthrough impossible -- but far too little to know all the tricks and stuff that Pope Guilty remembers offhand. To compare it with another series, I'd place it close to SMB2 on a scale from SMB3 to SMW: I've never played Super Mario Brothers 3, I beat SMB2 a long time ago with help from a guide, and I can 100% Super Mario World from memory.
posted by flatluigi at 8:50 PM on March 16, 2008


Yes, I'm the last person not to play Super Mario Brothers 3. You found me.
posted by flatluigi at 8:52 PM on March 16, 2008


Holy cow, the extended (Japanese only) version of "I can't beat Air Man" is pretty fantastic...
posted by anthill at 9:07 PM on March 16, 2008 [1 favorite]


I just got done playing this after ages away. Hooked up the X-Box tonight and played what was in the tray!

I had Bubble Man defeated, but then tried Air Man, couldn't get past the first part of it :(
Then I tried Crash Man and got to him, but then fucking couldn't beat him. I'll try some of these techniques next time.
posted by symbioid at 9:07 PM on March 16, 2008


Also, from the same group: "Why are the powerup characters such dicks?" (features Mega Man riding the subway)
posted by anthill at 9:10 PM on March 16, 2008




Faux: It's one of those things you have to discover by yourself.

By the way, have you seen this one?
posted by flatluigi at 9:37 PM on March 16, 2008 [2 favorites]


Most likely not, I'll just click th...
WAIT! Not watch?v=5uZr3JWYdy8?! I would know that anywhere flatluigi, you minx!

I’m sorry Rick Astley, I am Faux Real.
posted by Faux Real at 9:47 PM on March 16, 2008 [2 favorites]


navelgazer: spot on with the level order. And I thought I was the only one who did the the levels that way. Awesome.
posted by mattking17 at 9:50 PM on March 16, 2008


gnarus megas vir
posted by humannaire at 10:01 PM on March 16, 2008


flatluigi, I wish I could favorite that twice...
posted by Navelgazer at 10:03 PM on March 16, 2008


And by flatluigi I mean Faux Real.
posted by Navelgazer at 10:07 PM on March 16, 2008


I always start with Flash Man, because he's fairly easy to beat with just the mega buster. Then I beat Quick Man, and then I give up because I can never remember who is weak against Quick Boomerang.
posted by Mr.Encyclopedia at 10:11 PM on March 16, 2008


Mr. Encyclopedia - Metal Man is Weak against Quick Boomerang. Roughly everything else is weak against Metal Blades.
posted by Navelgazer at 10:16 PM on March 16, 2008


Universe Man, powerful man....
posted by Argyle at 10:19 PM on March 16, 2008


flatluigi: JHarris: flatluigi, if you're gonna do it, why not blog it, ala Blogging Ultima?

Because it'd be a fairly major project: I'd have to figure out a (legal) way to record my progress through video, I'd have to set aside the time to play the games and write it up, and I'd have to play the games enough to make it an enjoyable experience for the people who may follow the blog.


For recording the video, at least, I see a couple of options:
1. MAME has something to record all your actions, & can play them back, & can make a movie out of it. You could do legally this if you had the cartridge, possibly.
2. And this seems more fun to me: Get the console & play it on your TV. Record it with something like a Neuros Recorder - it's like a VCR, that records to flash storage. Bonus points for recording your commentary as you go.

As for the rest: Um, I dunno. The audience response to the band at the fashion show above, & what I've seen about PAX makes me think it might be fun.
posted by Pronoiac at 11:57 PM on March 16, 2008


Holy crap. The Megas are on a totally different level. Like, I have a huge collection of tracks from OCRemix, and I've been to multiple Minibosses concerts, and this is seriously awesome in a goofily wondrous way.

Wow. Elena, you win this thread.
posted by effugas at 12:54 AM on March 17, 2008


(Goofily wondrous and *new* way.)
posted by effugas at 12:54 AM on March 17, 2008


I just want to put in another vote for The Protomen. Their album -- a rock opera about Mega Man's attempt to avenge the death of his brother, Protoman -- is SERIOUSLY GOOD.

Nothing jokey about it, no "Ha ha dudes, I'm singing about Mega Man!" It takes the basic storyline of Mega Man 3 and uses it with complete seriousness as the background for a prog/metal mini-epic about brothers fighting in a dystopian future. It is fantastic.
posted by Greg Nog at 4:49 AM on March 17, 2008 [1 favorite]


I can never remember who is weak against Quick Boomerang.
posted by Mr.Encyclopedia at 10:11 PM on March 16 [+] [!]


Eponysterical Man
posted by DoctorFedora at 5:21 AM on March 17, 2008


Yeah, I listened to the entire Protomen album last night via the link Countess Elena provided, and I was blown away. I think I'm going to get the CD now.
posted by adamdschneider at 7:18 AM on March 17, 2008


Nthing the Protomen. It doesn't rely on wanky hipster ironic posturing - it's just straightfaced awesomeness. Such a move.
posted by RokkitNite at 7:45 AM on March 17, 2008


When I saw them last time they passed they through New York, I was informed that they're working on a new album, which apparently is going to be a sequel to the first. I am incredibly excited about it.

That was only the second-coolest thing about the show, though. The most kickass part was their encore: a frantic, synth-heavy version of Iron Maiden's "The Trooper".

Damn, what a great band. There are so many things I love about the album: They never refer to Mega Man by name, only mentioning him as the second "son" of Dr. Light. After losing his first son, Light is firmly against the idea that Mega Man should actually fight anyone; he just wants to protect his child. Dr. Wily isn't a villain or main-boss character who shows up to laugh or twirl his moustache or do battle; he's a rarely-mentioned distant tyrant, and the human populace is controlled through ingrained fear. The society chugs along in 1984-style bleakness using propaganda more than actual violence, and the story focuses on whether a "hero" such as Mega Man can ultimately effect any change at all.

If for no other moment, the whole CD is worth it for the final crescendo in "The Will of One," when Mega Man screams his intention to avenge his brother's death as Wily's robots monotonously chant to the populace, "We have control. We keep you safe." Such balls-to-the-wall operatic drama. God damn, god damn.
posted by Greg Nog at 8:19 AM on March 17, 2008 [1 favorite]


Everyone: See the Protomen live! Such a great show...
posted by thedaniel at 10:49 AM on March 17, 2008


No, no! Air-Flash-Quick-Crash-Metal-Bubble-Heat-Wood! Trust me.
Also, this post and discussion rock.
posted by Monster_Zero at 3:21 PM on March 17, 2008 [1 favorite]


Monster Zero, you are now honor-bound to explain your order.
posted by Navelgazer at 4:10 PM on March 17, 2008


Per suggestions above, I already did a Blaster Master post, and I made most of the Megaman 2 soundtrack available at my mp3 blog.
Also, FUCK yes Megaman.
posted by BlackLeotardFront at 8:27 PM on March 17, 2008


Wood Man? It's been so long since I played this game, I had totally forgotten about him. Not since Masters of the Universe introduced Fisto has there been a more porn-star sounding imaginary character name.
posted by SportsFan at 12:20 PM on March 18, 2008


SportsFan, don't forget about Hard Man from MM3.
posted by Navelgazer at 1:10 PM on March 18, 2008


I stand corrected - Hard Man is pretty bad. However, since I stopped playing after MM4 killed my interest in the series, I was totally unaware of the far, far worse Junk Man, detailed on this comprehensive page.
posted by SportsFan at 1:53 PM on March 18, 2008


This is why the Internet exists.
posted by Caduceus at 4:21 PM on March 18, 2008 [1 favorite]


Honor-bound! Hah, neat. (I guess I'm a few days late, but here we go anyway.)

This order was taught to me by a friend of mine for whom Mega Man 2 was the "comfort game" - that is, the thing he's been playing over and over ever since he was a small child. He drilled his preferred order into me to help me beat the game my first time, and I think a lot of it has to do with getting Item-2 and Item-3 as early as possible and using them like crazy to make your life easier in the rest of the stages. I know I don't think of using them nearly as often as he does.

It's really only unusual for the first four, and then after that you're just going through the weaknesses.

Also, Air and Flash Man are relatively easy to beat with the basic cannon, so it's a good "way in" to the Rock-Paper-Scissors chain that these games always have. A huge added bonus to this order is being able to use Flash Man on that damned ladder section in Crash Man's stage. And, PROTIP: You can get past the section with the fire-dogs in Wood Man's stage very easily by just popping Flash Man on before going in. They don't even teleport in, and you can walk right through.

Finally: I remember it and use it because it is very fun to say "AIRFLASHQUICKCRASHMETALBUBBLEHEATWOOD!"
posted by Monster_Zero at 8:02 AM on March 20, 2008 [1 favorite]


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