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Max Mosley's little vice
April 1, 2008 1:22 PM   Subscribe

Max Mosley, controversial president of the FIA (the governing board of F1 and other international motorsports), made headline news this past weekend for a "sick nazi orgy with 5 hookers" that was caught on tape (posted, but has since been pulled down). He has apologized, but does not plan to leave his position, despite many who feel his vices may detract from motor racing.
posted by jaimev (87 comments total) 2 users marked this as a favorite

 
Well, there's another reason to watch NASCAR racing instead. heh. Maybe the NASCAR boys can invade F1 and liberate everyone from Max's evil clutches.

oh, wait, the clutches on those cars are actually pretty awesome
posted by davejay at 1:30 PM on April 1, 2008


Yowza! That third link - talk about a blow by blow account.

At one point the wrinkled 67-year-old—who publicly likes to give the impression he has put his father's evil legacy behind him—yells "she needs more of ze punishment!" while brandishing a LEATHER STRAP over a brunette's naked bottom.
posted by stinkycheese at 1:30 PM on April 1, 2008


He should step down because he's so stupid that he clearly isn't qualified to head the FIA.

Kind of like how I feel about Eliot Spitzer's seeming inability to come up with the $2000 in cash to pay for his hookers. If at no point does your rational mind go, "Hmm, not sure I should wire-transfer this money, in my name, from my own bank account, directly to a pimp, to pay for a hooker" ....or "Hmm, not sure I should allow this deviant S&M Nazi-themed sex game with prostitutes to be videotaped"...

...you sure don't need to be in charge of anything more critical than putting the approved number of paper napkins and straws inside the takeaway sack as an "order fulfillment specialist."
posted by pineapple at 1:31 PM on April 1, 2008 [1 favorite]


Last year he inexplicably said that rookie wunderkind Lewis Hamilton was "doing damage to the sport". Hamilton happens to be the first black Formula 1 driver.
posted by East Manitoba Regional Junior Kabaddi Champion '94 at 1:33 PM on April 1, 2008


This definitely seems to be in the realm of "Why does this guys personal life have any bearing on his professional life?". If he was betting on races or having sex with one of the drivers, maybe it would be an issue. This is pretty much the equivalent of posting Max Mosley prefers boxers to briefs. Who cares?
posted by doctor_negative at 1:34 PM on April 1, 2008 [2 favorites]


Isn't there a Fall song about this?
posted by mr_roboto at 1:34 PM on April 1, 2008 [2 favorites]


I am starting to long for the days when a sick nazi orgy with five hookers was seen as an exemplary qualification for an executive position.
posted by Divine_Wino at 1:34 PM on April 1, 2008 [3 favorites]


Video.
posted by PostIronyIsNotaMyth at 1:37 PM on April 1, 2008


This definitely seems to be in the realm of "Why does this guys personal life have any bearing on his professional life?".

If he was just some random guy I might agree with you. But he's the son of Oswald Mosley, Britain's most famous nazi. That's not cool!
posted by East Manitoba Regional Junior Kabaddi Champion '94 at 1:37 PM on April 1, 2008 [1 favorite]


Isn't there a Fall song about this?

If not, there soon will be.
posted by Dr-Baa at 1:39 PM on April 1, 2008 [1 favorite]


This definitely seems to be in the realm of "Why does this guys personal life have any bearing on his professional life?". If he was betting on races or having sex with one of the drivers, maybe it would be an issue. This is pretty much the equivalent of posting Max Mosley prefers boxers to briefs. Who cares?

99% of the time I'd be with you there but then that 1% has to come along. Nazi themed s/m parties seems to cross some kind of line there. So you like bondage, spankings, OK, fine. You even like a little degredation play, OK, a little disheartening for an executive, but fine. Then you get the 5 hooker nazi death camp fetish. I find it a little difficult to take a guy that likes to pay women to dress up like death camp prisoners so that he can live out his father's fantasies seriously as an executive any more.
posted by Pollomacho at 1:41 PM on April 1, 2008 [1 favorite]


You know, I don't know from race-cars, but this post reminds me: I'm reading 1982, Janine right now, and it's really fucking good.

You British and your sado-masochistic orgies! Always a great time!
posted by Greg Nog at 1:41 PM on April 1, 2008


His parents were married in Goebbel's house. Hitler was guest of honor.
posted by East Manitoba Regional Junior Kabaddi Champion '94 at 1:41 PM on April 1, 2008


"Why does this guys personal life have any bearing on his professional life?"

Presumably because some people watching F1 might not approve of it being run by a dude that gets off on hookers and nazis. Maybe that's not fair, but if his actions were having an effect on advertising revenue, for example, maybe it'd be prudent for him to leave.
posted by chunking express at 1:41 PM on April 1, 2008


Thanks for the link, PIINAM. I can't watch it at the moment (as I have a sneaking suspicion that it's NSFW), but can someone check if the "she needs more of ze punishment!" sounds as awesome as I think it should? In my head it sounds like John Cleese when he did his Hilter/Hitler bit on Monty Python.
posted by Dr-Baa at 1:42 PM on April 1, 2008


i think given his fucked up background, I can hardly blame him for having weird kinks.
posted by empath at 1:47 PM on April 1, 2008 [1 favorite]


It's still okay to have five ladies of the evening dress as officers of Dai-Nippon Teikoku Rikugun right? I mean, I paid in advance and there are no refunds. Which kinda pisses me off seeing as two of them are not even japanese.
posted by The Power Nap at 1:47 PM on April 1, 2008 [3 favorites]


how can having sex with 5 hookers at once DETRACT from the image of motorsprots?
posted by joelf at 1:55 PM on April 1, 2008


+1 for the "Whatever gets your kinks in the bedroom doesn't affect how you do a job that is unrelated to bedrooms or kinks".

He's a lawyer. This shouldn't have been news. Even if he fucks sheep, it shouldn't be news. From my perception, nothing has come to light that affects how he can fulfill his responsibilities.

It may reflect on the sport, but that is pure fallout. It should only have been news if it related to how he did or does his job, which it clearly doesn't.

I've never understood why even politicians get hounded for their sex lives unless it directly affects their jobs (ie minister for education doing child porn etc).
posted by Brockles at 1:58 PM on April 1, 2008


I gotta go on record wrt my earlier comment: I don't care that this person had a Nazi orgy. Consenting adults and all that... and yeah, as empath said -- grow up in a Nazi household, end up with a yen for Nazi sex kink. I'd wager that's pretty much garden-variety imprinting, although IANAP.

I care that he was dumb enough to either allow the videotaping, or not make certain he was up to his hijinks in a secure location. If you want to be a high-profile executive and also have some skeletons in your closet of which the general public would not approve, then just be careful. I have no qualms at all saying that I wouldn't someone running my organization who can't manage that little bit of career-saving caution.
posted by pineapple at 2:00 PM on April 1, 2008


I'm still more ticked off about Homologation than I am about this.
posted by Space Coyote at 2:01 PM on April 1, 2008


You know who else was into German orgies?
posted by Paid In Full at 2:05 PM on April 1, 2008


That's right, Michael Schumacher.
posted by Paid In Full at 2:05 PM on April 1, 2008 [5 favorites]


If he was just some random guy I might agree with you. But he's the son of Oswald Mosley, Britain's most famous nazi. That's not cool!

On the other hand, Steve Petain, Hank Franco, and Chad Mussolini kind of see some PR possibilities opening up here.
posted by dyoneo at 2:06 PM on April 1, 2008 [2 favorites]


May detract from motor racing? Isn't this kind of activity written in to their contracts???
posted by PenDevil at 2:08 PM on April 1, 2008


Look, what happens behind closed doors between a man, a woman, two donkeys, a slave midget and a orangutan is his business.
posted by psmealey at 2:09 PM on April 1, 2008 [1 favorite]


I care that he was dumb enough to either allow the videotaping,

It is worth pointing out at this stage that we have no idea this evidence didn't come to light , for instance, because someone burgled his home and removed the only tape in existence, of course (or something similar). Or even that he knew it was being filmed.

I don't think there is anything particularly foolish about taping any orgy you may have. Anyone can be wrong about how secure it is, and may have gone to stringent lengths to ensure their satisfaction in that regard beforehand.

Being betrayed by someone else's discretion (as is possible here) doesn't make your judgement as the leader of a sporting body flawed necessarily.
posted by Brockles at 2:09 PM on April 1, 2008




dont mention the whore.....


If only he had taken part in a healthy nazi sex orgy ..............


Red-faced and panting, Mosley looks on like a child in a sweet shop, but surrounded by bright red bottoms.

Is what the papers say still on ? I want to hear this whole article read in that ridiculous cockney accent they used to do for the news of the screws.
posted by sgt.serenity at 2:12 PM on April 1, 2008


I came very close to posting this yesterday since I write about cars and racing for a "living" and on one level, it's just too funny not to (it does almost sound made up).

But my thoughts are this:

The one thing I've noticed about people who are into the heavy slap & tickle stuff, is that on the outside, they are normal and boring and about as straight laced as can be.

Look at the differences in reported sexual practices versus actual sexual practices in Victorian England. Or in certain segments of America, circa 2008.

The tighter you screw on that pressure cooker lid, the worse it gets, not better.

And personally, I don't particularly care about anyone's particular kinks. What you want to do is up to you ... but for Max in particular, I think there's a larger issue here concerning the guys mental health.

If you're getting off on fucking concentration camp victims, and you were raised by THE British fascist, then running the FIA or not is kind of beside the point.

You need to take some time off and start putting some time into counseling. Lots and lots of counseling ... three times a week would be a good start.

I know, a lot of people that are into this scene are working out issues and all that, and frankly, I'm all for that ... but if the issues you've got to work out include things along the lines of 'my daddy was a (literal) Nazi' & 'I get off on abusing (pretend) Jews', then, dude, all the afternoon screw sessions at 5K a go are not going to get it sorted out for you.
posted by Relay at 2:12 PM on April 1, 2008


I kind of wonder if the Nazi fetishism thing has more to do with being British than having Nazis for parents. Brits have always had a mild hate-on for Germans (don't mention the war! squareheads! etc), and there's always Prince Harry's charming Nazi Halloween costume as well.

As far as his comments about Lewis Hamilton, well, I'm sure Tiger Woods and the Williams sisters have endured much worse, but that doesn't mean Americans are a bunch of closet Nazis (or does it?).
posted by KokuRyu at 2:19 PM on April 1, 2008


After the sex marathon, Mosley dressed again and had a quick pit-stop, turning down wine in favour of a cup of tea.

Is it usual for five-hooker Nazi-themed orgies to end with a cuppa and a chat? You'd think something a bit stronger would be appropriate. Maybe an amphetamine shot, for authenticity. (The video is almost worth watching for this bit. It's like a Home Counties vicar's tea party, only everyone's naked and bruised.)
posted by jack_mo at 2:20 PM on April 1, 2008 [1 favorite]


Brockles said: "Being betrayed by someone else's discretion (as is possible here) doesn't make your judgement as the leader of a sporting body flawed necessarily."

I just disagree. If he didn't know he was being taped, then I would argue that he didn't take enough care to make sure the orgy was in a secure location. If he did know he was being taped, then I would argue that being burgled or betrayed with that tape is one of the risks he accepted when he allowed the taping in the first place. You can come up with outlier "what if"s all day long, but for my part, I can't conceive of a scenario where the buck doesn't stop at Mosley's door for having been irresponsible in the logistics of his orgy.

I don't think there is anything particularly foolish about taping any orgy you may have.

I disagree, with hearty amusement. I don't think there's really anything more foolish -- unless one can honestly say that they are of little enough consequence in the universe that they have no care in the world as to who sees that tape. There is a reason that deviant sex proclivities keep people out of high-profile jobs and high-security clearances: it makes them easy targets for blackmail, scandal, and embarrassment of the organization.

On a personal note: I look forward to seeing you on the News of the World at some future date, sir.
posted by pineapple at 2:20 PM on April 1, 2008 [1 favorite]


You know, it's weird. To me, at first glance, before actually parsing what the words actually combine to mean, "5-hooker Nazi sex orgy" sounds totally awesome. Then it's like, "well, except for the Nazi bit...". Then I read what it actually entails, and it's like "wow, that's completely twisted". It either says something about the way we process language, or something about me. Maybe both.

Anyway, completely twisted though it may be, he's not actually harming anyone, unless you're one of those radical womyn who thinks all sex with hookers is rape. Plenty of people have uniform/authority fetishes, and Nazis are the ultimate uniformed authority. That's why the "Ilsa: She-Wolf of the SS" series was so popular. Look around on the Internet and you'll find plenty of fetishized Nazism, mostly targeted to gay men. The fact that he's the son of Oswald Mosely makes it a little more repellant than if he was some random dude, but then again, being the son of Oswald Mosely is probably why he has these fetishes.

Also, what's with the random caps? "MOSLEY was PORKING some HOOKERS dressed UP as NAZIS". It reads like some weird screenplay.
posted by DecemberBoy at 2:38 PM on April 1, 2008


I saw some fuzzy clips from the video a couple of days ago, and the wretched upper-crust twit was getting his rocks of on Nazi death camp scenarios, replete with Auschwitz prisoner outfits, body and head-lice checks, interrogations and heavy-ass butt whipping. I wonder how well connected his family is to the hideous Bush family. Both have Nazi sympathizers in the family tree.
posted by Huplescat at 2:41 PM on April 1, 2008


Three days old News Of The World? After it's been picked up everywhere else (where "everywhere" is "everywhere people give a shit about Formula One")? I mean, come on. At least you could have posted this three days ago when it happened.
posted by matteo at 2:42 PM on April 1, 2008


And yet there's no www.maxmoselyisajerk.com
posted by flaterik at 2:43 PM on April 1, 2008


There may be some aspects to the Nazi side that is distasteful enough for racing fans to require his stepping down (only really given his families history, normally I'd just consider it a kind of perverse fantasy and move on), but I really don't see how someone having an orgy would have any bearing on his ability to direct racing operations.

I'm more interested in the secret WW2 code that Neville Thurbeck is trying to convey to me through the subtle and nuanced codification of words in this article:

"FORMULA NAZI-STYLE ORDERS GERMAN DEATH CAMP BLEEDS AUSCHWITZ LEATHER STRAP GENITALS LASHED TORTURE BENCH WHIMPERS UNDRESS"

From this I can only conclude that the French resistance is planning some covert activities in Paris, and that the German feint in Africa was designed to pull off the American infantry.
posted by quin at 2:45 PM on April 1, 2008 [1 favorite]


if anything, Max Mosley's bdsm nazi hooker orgy escapades increases my interest in f1 motorsports. greatly.



kudos to you sir!
posted by [son] QUAALUDE at 2:52 PM on April 1, 2008


Wow, that third link was PRIME tabloid writing at its FINEST. I can honestly say that the subject matter plus that writing style is a match made in heaven.

I don't understand how the wardrobe choices a man makes while costuming his orgies matter at all to anyone not there. So his kinks are tied into his relationship with his parents .. whose aren't? So he likes a little Nazi regalia with his slap and tickle. Doesn't make him any more of a Nazi than your own bedroom roleplaying makes you an airline captain/naughty stewardess, robber/lonely housewife, actual father/daughter, whatever.
posted by Bookhouse at 2:55 PM on April 1, 2008


None. Of our. Business.
posted by regicide is good for you at 2:56 PM on April 1, 2008


Louche.
posted by boo_radley at 2:56 PM on April 1, 2008


I disagree, with hearty amusement. I don't think there's really anything more foolish

That is presumably because you are firmly in the camp of those that consider someone's sex life to be 'news'. I don't.

Even if* I fucked dead chickens, it'd make no difference to how well I do my job, so tapes of me doing it should be of no interest to anyone other than fellow dead-chicken-fuckers. If it was not news, nor considered of relevance, then it would be impossible to use for blackmail.


*I don't. Let me clarify that right now...

Also, from that video link, I find the 'nazi' element pretty damn hard to spot, even knowing it is there. It's not exactly overt - the 'nazi uniform' could have been any old leather suit.
posted by Brockles at 3:14 PM on April 1, 2008


I'd normally say that a great News Of The Screws story must feature a 'randy vicar'... but I think a Nazi orgy especially with the son of a ex-nazi is well above the standard. Some classic British tabloid gems in there... "Red-faced and panting, Mosley looks on like a child in a sweet shop, but surrounded by bright red bottoms." - Class.
posted by fearfulsymmetry at 3:15 PM on April 1, 2008


sick nazi orgy with 5 hookers

A bit long, but still a wicked awesome name for a band.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 3:16 PM on April 1, 2008


I'd just like to go on the record and say that the whole Nazi angle is cool with me.

And personally, I don't particularly care about anyone's particular kinks. What you want to do is up to you ... but for Max in particular, I think there's a larger issue here concerning the guys mental health.

Why?

If you're getting off on fucking concentration camp victims, and you were raised by THE British fascist, then running the FIA or not is kind of beside the point.

They weren't concentration camp victims, they were just pretending. See?

I know, a lot of people that are into this scene are working out issues and all that, and frankly, I'm all for that ... but if the issues you've got to work out include things along the lines of 'my daddy was a (literal) Nazi' & 'I get off on abusing (pretend) Jews', then, dude, all the afternoon screw sessions at 5K a go are not going to get it sorted out for you.

What makes you think he's trying to get something sorted out? How are you determining that it's not just someone having a good time?
posted by BigSky at 3:17 PM on April 1, 2008


Even if* I fucked dead chickens, it'd make no difference to how well I do my job,

Well if it might get your company less sponsorship from KFC...

If it was not news,


Yeah, but it is... and a I imagine a fair number of people, you know, who might have relatives killed in death-camps, or who fought in the war say being a bit upset that someone who is very high up in a sport that gets a lot of tv coverage, ad money and 200 mil in the near future from the BBC get his jollies off pretending to torture people in said death-camps.
posted by fearfulsymmetry at 3:22 PM on April 1, 2008


having his GENITALS inspected and his hair searched for LICE

chained up and LASHED so hard over a TORTURE BENCH that he WHIMPERS for mercy


I applaud their excellent use of caps.
posted by generalist at 3:22 PM on April 1, 2008


As long as the play includes Max taking a cat-o-nine-tails hard across Bernie's wrinkled alabaster ass, I'm okay with this.
posted by Thorzdad at 3:24 PM on April 1, 2008


Fact is, as someone pointed out with Mosley's statement last year about Hamilton 'hurting the sport', that he's a jackass, and is not qualified to be heading up the FIA. At least if he's going to go, he should go in... Well, perhaps not style, but with a complete lack of grace and dignity.


Still... Max Mosley in son-of-Oswald Nazi scandal. Shock horror.
posted by opsin at 3:29 PM on April 1, 2008


He should sue the pants off whoever worked with the press to make this happen and get awarded double whatever compensation they received, or at least $n to convince them it wasn't worth it, and then sue the paper for defamation of character, and keep his post until or unless it's clear his label keeps him from functioning effectively in the position. What he did was legal (unless the UK still has and enforces adultery or sodomy laws against consenting adults) and consensual, and while it might be disturbing in light of his personal and family history, it is, at the end of the day, a pretty standard interrogation/prisoner scenario acted out in homes and dungeons around the world on a regular basis and unremarkable outside of context.


or,

GET OFF MY LAWN!
posted by notashroom at 3:35 PM on April 1, 2008


I’m not a “radical womyn” but I do think it’s pretty misogynistic and twisted. Never been a fan of prostitution and I’m not so sure in this particular instance it isn’t exploitive (nice cup of tea and/or wine and laughing aside). And I can’t say I’d approve of beating on anyone even if they are “consenting” (since it’s for money).
So, socially - no, I wouldn’t want anything to do with this guy.

By the same token I don’t know of any evidence the guy actual espouses any of these things as actual beliefs publically or otherwise and seeing that it was in private, that - barring some illegality (not sure of the status of the prostitution) - is where it should remain.

So yeah, whatever the guy is in his private life certainly shouldn’t deprive him of his livelyhood.
It’s not so far a step from that to punishing people for their private thoughts as well.
Matter of fact, I’d like to see what the editors and reporters here think about while they masterbate or what they do when they have sex with someone.
Not so funny when it’s our own libido held up for public scrutiny.
And hell, same rationale for depriving homosexuals of their rights to work or marry or whatever. “But it’s filthy. It’s disgusting.” etc. etc. etc.
Well, maybe it is. But it’s none of your or my business. Otherwise we’re the moral oppressors.

...and y’know who else were moral oppressors?
posted by Smedleyman at 3:38 PM on April 1, 2008


Looking through this, no one has noted Elvis Costello's "Less Than Zero" (Calling Mr. Oswald with the swastika tattoo. . .) is about his father.
posted by dances_with_sneetches at 3:39 PM on April 1, 2008


This is a non-starter for me. Not once has participation in any of numerous nazi-themed orgies I've encountered over the years ever interferred in my professional duties as a forum troll.
posted by MiltonRandKalman at 3:43 PM on April 1, 2008


Brockles said: "That is presumably because you are firmly in the camp of those that consider someone's sex life to be 'news'."

I'm actually not in that camp, thanks kindly. But don't you think it's a bit disingenuous to say, "Well, because it shouldn't be news, therefore It Isn't News"?

"...tapes of me doing it should be of no interest to anyone other than fellow dead-chicken-fuckers. If it was not news, nor considered of relevance, then it would be impossible to use for blackmail."

"Should" being the operative word there. Sure, it would be nice if people stopped entertaining their prurient schadenfreude via the sex lives of others. But until that happens, it doesn't make me a prude or a puritan to merely acknowledge that it's how society happens to work at the moment.

Wishing that people were different, doesn't actually make it so.
posted by pineapple at 3:47 PM on April 1, 2008


Well, there's another reason to watch NASCAR racing instead.

I know I'm not being fair, NASCAR fans, but when I think of F1, I think of difficult tracks in exotic locations; rich, sophisticated drivers and owners from all over the world; and cars designed from the bottom up for speed. When I think of NASCAR, I imagine things not too many steps removed from hillbillies named Junior driving hot rods in circles like they've been sampling their own moonshine. I understand NASCAR has been trying to improve its image, and I'm sure NASCAR now is as sophisticated as the "country" music that comes out of the city of Nashville, but it's going to take more than a kinky F1 orgy to make me think of F1 and NASCAR at the same level.
posted by pracowity at 3:47 PM on April 1, 2008 [4 favorites]


I swear that somewhere I saw this news today claiming that he had also joined the Ministry of Funny Walks.
posted by msali at 3:57 PM on April 1, 2008


But don't you think it's a bit disingenuous to say, "Well, because it shouldn't be news, therefore It Isn't News"?

Not at all. Because I didn't say anything of the sort. I don't consider it newsworthy (rather than 'news') because I don't really give a toss what people do in their (or their hookers') bedrooms if it has no bearing on their ability to do their job.
posted by Brockles at 3:58 PM on April 1, 2008


A bit long, but still a wicked awesome name for a band.

You just need to change the phrasing a bit: Sick Nazi Orgy with and the Five Hookers.

I'm picturing it as death metal with Gladys-Knight-and-the-Pips-style backup vocals.
posted by nebulawindphone at 4:46 PM on April 1, 2008


Now THATS a sex scandal!
And a spicy meatball
posted by PHINC at 4:54 PM on April 1, 2008


Is it usual for five-hooker Nazi-themed orgies to end with a cuppa and a chat?

Mine generally do.
posted by PeterMcDermott at 5:25 PM on April 1, 2008


Those Nazi hookers must be at least 90 years old by now.
Yikes.
posted by Dizzy at 5:38 PM on April 1, 2008 [1 favorite]


Is it usual for five-hooker Nazi-themed orgies to end with a cuppa and a chat?

That's how they roll in jolly olde England.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 6:00 PM on April 1, 2008


Hell, I'd step down from embarrassment alone. Once everyone knows you get off on nazi hooker sex parties I think it's time to call it a day.
posted by puke & cry at 6:07 PM on April 1, 2008


Its all well and good, give or take, to indulge your kinks and perversions privately so long as you’re a private citizen. But, when you have a hand in public policy, your predilections and perversions enjoy a wider scope. Take Dick Chainy for example... or not.
posted by Huplescat at 6:49 PM on April 1, 2008


There's something very... Pynchon about this.
posted by sonic meat machine at 7:01 PM on April 1, 2008 [1 favorite]


I would SO pay a small amount to watch the unedited video with enthusiastic if inaccurate commentary by Murray Walker.
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 7:04 PM on April 1, 2008 [8 favorites]


Dude, after watching The Night Porter I can kinda see what he was going for. Not that I don't feel dirty about it.
posted by FuManchu at 7:32 PM on April 1, 2008


Rule 34 meets Godwin? These internet mashups are going too far.
posted by Joe Invisible at 8:22 PM on April 1, 2008 [1 favorite]


Brockles said: "I don't really give a toss what people do in their (or their hookers') bedrooms if it has no bearing on their ability to do their job."

And here's where we diverge, as we have from the get-go.

I believe that a public-facing executive (Spitzer, Mosley, ad infinitum) with a penchant for making personal choices that are likely to reflect poorly on the organization (whether or not it's fair or right that those two things are inextricable in today's society) is suspect in his ability to do his job.

You do not.

To reframe it: I don't really give a toss what people do in their (or their hookers') bedrooms if it has no bearing on their ability to do their job as long as it stays in the bedrooms. Once it comes out onto the street, everyone gets to have an opinion, including the opinion that stupid choices were made.
posted by pineapple at 8:32 PM on April 1, 2008


At one point the wrinkled 67-year-old—who publicly likes to give the impression he has put his father's evil legacy behind him—yells "she needs more of ze punishment!" while brandishing a LEATHER STRAP over a brunette's naked bottom.

This is hilarious, and made even more deliciously so the the ALLCAPsing of LEATHER STRAP. One of the many disappointing failures of our modern societies is the tendency to take the stupid shit people do, particularly the risible sexual hijinks, and all-inclusively beard-pull our way to beige pabulum big-tenting: 'well, that's not my cup of tea, but if it's between consenting adults and nobody gets hurt, it's just fine'.

To hell with that. It's a blind alley. We should be laughing our guts out over some of the goofy shit people like this geritol-addled dinkwaver get up to, not dignifying it with our self-congratulatory diversity-acceptance, or condemning it out of some misguided crypto-'but think about the children' impulse. They should get an RFID implant that for the period of one year makes every still or film camera that captures their image overlay the picture with a big diagonal 'MORON SEX CLOWN'. That'd be fun.

Also, this smells a hell of a lot like an April Fool's joke; it couldn't have been scripted any better.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 9:15 PM on April 1, 2008 [1 favorite]


The author of the NotW article was once infamously caught out as part of one of his own stings.

From this Guardian article looking at the prudery of the British tabloid press:

Neville Thurlbeck is still engaged as an award-winning reporter for the News of the World. In 1998, he was instrumental in exposing a "swingers' paradise" based in a west country guesthouse. But his was not the only secret record of proceedings.

The proprietors of the guesthouse also photographed a naked Thurlbeck in an apparent state of excitement some time after he might have been expected to have made his excuses and left. (The snaps have ever since been mischievously posted on the internet where the targets of Thurlbeck's exposé, Bob and Sue, disobligingly encourage News of the World readers, in time-honoured fashion, to make up their own minds.)


Bob and Sue's more detailed account (not safe for work). What comes around goes around I guess.
posted by uk_giffo at 11:20 PM on April 1, 2008 [2 favorites]


"... Once everyone knows you get off on nazi hooker sex parties I think it's time to call it a day."
posted by puke & cry at 9:07 PM on April 1

Nonsense. Now that the word is out on him, no telling what kind of juicy invitations Mosley is getting...

Once you've gone public with your kink, kink finds you where ever you go, I suspect. Maybe there's a Master Plan behind all this.
posted by paulsc at 11:31 PM on April 1, 2008


This is awesome fodder for porn for the blind.
posted by flotson at 12:03 AM on April 2, 2008 [1 favorite]


His Jew-hating father—who had Hitler as guest of honour at his marriage—would have been proud of his warped son's command of German as he struts around looking for bottoms to whack.

Every now and again I love the tabloids.
posted by vbfg at 2:02 AM on April 2, 2008


He's not responsible for his parents' opinions or actions, it's really no-one's business but his own, and it doesn't affect his ability to head the FIA, but I really hope that he's sufficiently embarrassed (or persuaded) to resign because he's earth-shatteringly incompetent at it. (The job, not the orgifying.)
posted by No Mutant Enemy at 2:19 AM on April 2, 2008


I don't know if anyone's seen, but there appears to be a quote from him making the best excuse ever... He was only speaking German because two of the five hookers were German.
Yes, Max. Of course!
posted by opsin at 4:14 AM on April 2, 2008


He vos only obeying starters orders.
posted by longbaugh at 4:29 AM on April 2, 2008


What you do in the bedroom is your business, yes even if it involves "nazis."

If you get caught I think it reflects poorly on your ability to manage risk and your foresight. At best it demonstrates a lack of sensitivity to the PR consequences of your private life and at worst it may indicate a subconscious desire to a) do 'wrong' and b) get caught, neither of which are exactly desirable qualities in a person with high authority.

At least the hookers were more attractive than Monica.
posted by Skorgu at 5:03 AM on April 2, 2008


I'd just like to point out that the nazis were probably nazis because they had no sponsorships holding them back.
posted by srboisvert at 5:04 AM on April 2, 2008


I can't say that I'd be too surprised to learn that the President of NASCAR liked to engage in sick confederate orgies with 5 hookers, either.
posted by octobersurprise at 5:53 AM on April 2, 2008


Company car
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 8:55 AM on April 2, 2008


If you get caught I think it reflects poorly on your ability to manage risk and your foresight.

Dude, if you've managed to get away with it until you reach the ripe old age of 67, then I think that it reflects exactly the opposite.

And if you've still got the drive for it at the ripe old age of 67, then it reflects a degree of ambition and determination that I think is wholly admirable in anyone is any kind of leadership position.
posted by PeterMcDermott at 9:22 AM on April 2, 2008 [1 favorite]


"But, when you have a hand in public policy, your predilections and perversions enjoy a wider scope."

True. But I don’t think this guy was making any public policy (if he was - different story).
Unless I’m misunderstanding something, it’s a private - or rather non-government - organization. Hell, it’s just sports.
Unfortunately there’s a lot of people who pay far more attention to that then what their government’s doing.
posted by Smedleyman at 2:05 PM on April 2, 2008


it's really no-one's business but his own, and it doesn't affect his ability to head the FIA

Well, yeah, but he clearly has it out for Mosley and everyone was like 'Yeah, you do, because he's black and you're a Nazi' and his response was 'Oh no, that was my father, I've put all that behind me, I just think...' blah, blah, bullshit.

Turns out, he is a Nazi, or at least plays one on bad am-porn. So yeah, it does affect his abiltiy.
posted by lumpenprole at 6:13 PM on April 2, 2008


I think you missed my point (or, more likely, I failed to explain adequately). He's a dreadful FIA chief, and was so even before this came to light. He's no worse now than he was last week. (Or, more concretely, he was no better last week than he is now.)
posted by No Mutant Enemy at 1:29 AM on April 4, 2008


He is, yes. Mind you, he's not really any worse or less/more biased than the last one (who was in for years) so against the only bar to compare him, he's about par for the course...

Clearly, with his repeated attacks on Mosley, Jackie Stewart has his eye on the job, but he'd possibly be even worse.
posted by Brockles at 8:04 AM on April 4, 2008


"Turns out, he is a Nazi, or at least plays one on bad am-porn. So yeah, it does affect his abiltiy."

He may be... but they look more like US prison uniforms than concentration camp ones. Call me mistrustful of the News of the Screws more than Mosely on this one. He's given much better reasons for not being in charge of F1 other than a case of the English Vice (link contains etched bottom and breasts).
posted by Auz at 6:17 PM on April 4, 2008


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