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Matthew Roberts, a 41-year-old DJ who lives in Los Angeles, said the shock of discovering his father sent him into depression.
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posted by Shepherd at 1:11 PM on November 23, 2009


Yep. That would suck.
posted by billysumday at 1:15 PM on November 23, 2009 [1 favorite]


Wow, the likeness is surely there.
posted by Theta States at 1:17 PM on November 23, 2009


I just began the process of tracking down my biological parents, and this is the nightmare. Fortunately, the first past of the process is learning non-identifying details about your birthparents, and none of these seem to point to any real madness that I might discover. After all, what I have learned about my birth father was that he was a musician in Los Angeles. This jibes with what my adoptive parents told me of what theyknew: He was a songwriter, and had written a song for the Beach Boys. He apparently also worked on a ranch for a while.
posted by Astro Zombie at 1:21 PM on November 23, 2009 [32 favorites]


Yup, I don't think that would be the most settling thing you could find out.
posted by dunkadunc at 1:24 PM on November 23, 2009


I feel bad for him, but fuck it, I'll say it: if you're really that upset about your dad being Charles Manson, maybe, just maybe, you might consider getting a haircut and ditching the jean jacket and not looking exactly like him.
posted by XQUZYPHYR at 1:25 PM on November 23, 2009 [5 favorites]


Yeah...that would totally kill the buzz of finding your dad. Wow.
Hey, AZ...Good luck with the search! I never found my dad, but finding my mom was all kinds of cool.
posted by Thorzdad at 1:26 PM on November 23, 2009


Holy shit.
posted by shakespeherian at 1:28 PM on November 23, 2009


"They [my parents] were products of the Fifties and I didn't relate to them. My biological parents were products of the Sixties and I take on a lot more of those characteristics."

Oh come on. Someone is a very special snowflake.
posted by HopperFan at 1:29 PM on November 23, 2009 [1 favorite]


AZ, that was really really cruel.


But still very funny.
posted by Sova at 1:30 PM on November 23, 2009


Man, not what I was expecting from the text in the FPP (I was thinking "discovering his father [dead]"). That's wild.

Astro Zombie: Best of luck. As an adoptive dad in the 21st century, my experience is so different from what most families' was a generation ago. We've been writing letters to our daughter's birth mother every six months or so since our daughter was born, whether or not we have an address to send them to. My wife is also writing to our daughter in a journal at about that interval (or at least on each birthday) so she has a good record of her childhood and can make good decisions (about whether or not to search for/get to know her biological mom) when she's ready.
posted by yiftach at 1:30 PM on November 23, 2009 [2 favorites]


Thorzdad: "Hey, AZ...Good luck with the search!"

I am pretty sure he was joking.
posted by idiopath at 1:30 PM on November 23, 2009


Got some good press out of it though, so, like, rock on, dude.

no, seriously - I can't imagine how hard this would be. Strangely, the article did nothing to further my understanding...
posted by From Bklyn at 1:31 PM on November 23, 2009


XQUZYPHYR: I feel bad for him, but fuck it, I'll say it: if you're really that upset about your dad being Charles Manson, maybe, just maybe, you might consider getting a haircut and ditching the jean jacket and not looking exactly like him.

Although I am amused by the thought of the guy going 'Oh man, I'm a DJ and I'm totally badass hardcore! Yeah you should be scared of me cuz I'm dangerous! Hang on, let me check the results of this search for my biological father... oh god i'm so so sorry'
posted by shakespeherian at 1:33 PM on November 23, 2009 [2 favorites]


OK, yeah, I completely missed AZ's..um, joke?
posted by yiftach at 1:34 PM on November 23, 2009


I am pretty sure he was joking.

Well, partially. I actually am tracking down my biological parents, and it's a bit harrowing. When I spoke to the social worker from the agency about my non-identifying birth information, I was terrified. I had identified as Irish-American for my entire life, and was terrified that I would learn something different. When she said "Well, your mother was an Irish Catholic," I just about burst out sobbing, but then wrestled it under control, drank a half-bottle of whiskey, and went out and beat up a stranger at a bar. It was like a homecoming.

At some point, that story ceased to be true as well. I will leave it up to you to decide where.
posted by Astro Zombie at 1:37 PM on November 23, 2009 [20 favorites]


I've always known who my father is and he still occasionally sends me into depression. If this guy really is a disc jockey, I know a few stations in L.A. where "Manson's my dad" would help get him a job...
posted by oneswellfoop at 1:39 PM on November 23, 2009 [1 favorite]


At least you're getting back to your roots, AZ.
posted by Balisong at 1:39 PM on November 23, 2009


MANSON: There is no escape. Don't make me destroy you.
[pauses]
MANSON: Matthew , you do not yet realize your importance. You have only begun to discover your power. Join me, and I will complete your training. With our combined strength, we can end this destructive conflict and murder a lot of pigs.
MATTHEW : I'll never join you!
MANSON: If you only knew the power of the Scorpion. Roman Polanski never told you what happened to your father.
MATTHEW: He told me enough! He told me *you* killed him!
MANSON: No. I am your father.
MATTHEW: No. No. That's not true. That's impossible!
MANSON: Search your feelings, you *know* it to be true!
MATTHEW: No! No!
posted by Ratio at 1:41 PM on November 23, 2009 [13 favorites]


I know this guy who found out his father was the supreme commander of the Galactic Empire.
posted by Kraftmatic Adjustable Cheese at 1:42 PM on November 23, 2009 [4 favorites]


I'm just glad Matthew was able to deal with his trauma by selling his story to the tabloids. I know that whenever I discover something upsetting about my family history, sharing it with millions of strangers in return for some hard cash is a great source of reassurance.
posted by FelliniBlank at 1:42 PM on November 23, 2009 [15 favorites]



"They [my parents] were products of the Fifties and I didn't relate to them. My biological parents were products of the Sixties and I take on a lot more of those characteristics."

Oh come on. Someone is a very special snowflake.


"My hero is Gandhi. I'm an extremely non-violent, peaceful person and a vegetarian. I don't even kill bugs. "

Yeah, I got that vibe from this as well, big time.
posted by anazgnos at 1:43 PM on November 23, 2009


"He's my biological father - I can't help but have some kind of emotional connection."

Well, sperm contribution doesn't necessarily demand emotional connection, especially if it's due to a rape. But since he didn't know his birth mother either, I think the effect of this may have been blunted.

I do believe the whole thing to be pretty repulsive and confusing for this DJ guy though.
posted by cmgonzalez at 1:44 PM on November 23, 2009


I like this quote:

If I get worked up, my eyes get really big and that's really freaked some people out before.

posted by languagehat at 2:02 PM on November 23, 2009 [3 favorites]


At least he's got some killer genes....
posted by Floydd at 2:09 PM on November 23, 2009 [3 favorites]


"I've tried to tone that down quite a bit. I don't like having that effect on people."

Oh man. I so know what that's like. Sometimes when the sun comes out, I swear I sparkle. People stare at me, and I hate it, so I wear black to blend in with the shadows. It freaks people out when I cut my finger and lick it, so I've tried to tone that down.
posted by katillathehun at 2:26 PM on November 23, 2009 [3 favorites]


So sad. Most adoptees I know harbored fantasies (as children, at least) that their bio parents were movie stars, cowboys, Harvard/Radcliffe undergraduates caught in a bad situation (for the one adopted out of Boston before Roe v. Wade)....I can't imagine the pain of finding out you're descended from the absolute wrong kind of celebrity.

FWIW, Bundy has a kid out there somewhere too....maybe they could form some sort of support group.
posted by availablelight at 2:31 PM on November 23, 2009


"I'm not nuts but I've got a little bit of it,” Mr Roberts said. “It's scary and upsetting. If I get worked up, my eyes get really big and that's really freaked some people out before.

I wonder if he bears enough of a resemblance that he triggers a kind of visual recognition, right below the level of a connection with Manson, the person, and the universal boogeyman image of Manson that people have burned into their heads.

In other words, he gets visibly angry, and someone else thinks, "He's really scaring me and I don't know why."

It's like when an English-speaker hears someone angrily shouting in German. They could be ordering lunch for all we know, yet we're hearing threads of every stereotypical movie Nazi we've ever heard in a theater.
posted by Cool Papa Bell at 2:32 PM on November 23, 2009 [5 favorites]


Oh, for heaven's sake. Add this guy to the Balloon Boy Family and Blitz Krieg in the Attention Whore Hall of Fame. Roberts was born in March 1968, which means he was conceived circa July 1967. At that time Charlie's "Family" was in its formative stages and consisted only of Mary Brunner, Lynette Fromme, Susan Atkins, Ella Jo Bailey and possibly (depending on the exact date) Patricia Krenwinkel. The group lived in a house at 636 Cole Street in San Francisco. Mary Brunner gave birth to Manson's third son (he had two boys during two brief marriages prior to moving to California and starting the so-called Family), Valentine Michael Manson, aka Pooh Bear, in April 1968. Googling around it appears that Matthew's mother told him that he was the result of a one-night stand with Charlie and a biker, and also that Matt (who fronts a band called New Rising Son) has been making this "Charlie is my dad" claim for several years now. Until a DNA test proves otherwise, I call shenanigans.
posted by Oriole Adams at 2:38 PM on November 23, 2009 [9 favorites]


Not sure I believe this story -- broken by the UK Sun, no google footprint for an LA DJ with that name, the principals have generic names.

Anyway, if it's true, this guy's got a half-brother named Michael Pooh Hoo out there somewhere.
posted by stupidsexyFlanders at 2:44 PM on November 23, 2009


On preview, Oriole Adams has better google fu than me.
posted by stupidsexyFlanders at 2:47 PM on November 23, 2009


All right, but first he has to prove that he's not the son of Screamin Jay Hawkins.
posted by thivaia at 2:53 PM on November 23, 2009


Most adoptees I know harbored fantasies (as children, at least) that their bio parents were movie stars, cowboys, Harvard/Radcliffe undergraduates caught in a bad situation

...or cult leaders, pimps, murderers.

Like Oriole, I don't buy it. Why has this only come out in tabloid news? Where's the DNA test? What kind of person is knocked into depression over the identity of his birth father only to blab about it with some kind of bizarre adoration?

This...


"If I did talk to Charlie on the phone, I would say, 'I truly understand what it's like to be you, more than anyone could ever imagine on so many levels,'” Mr Roberts said.


...does not sound like a man who's horrified over the identity of his birth father but rather more like someone who has an unhealthy fixation with a famous psycho.
posted by katillathehun at 2:55 PM on November 23, 2009


I know that whenever I discover something upsetting about my family history, sharing it with millions of strangers in return for some hard cash is a great source of reassurance.

Shit, why do you think I'm so depressed about NOT finding anything particularly upsetting in my family history!? - Idyllic uneventfullness doesn't put fuck-all in the fridge...
posted by jalexei at 2:58 PM on November 23, 2009


That 1968 Manson mugshot is fantastic.

Heh. The Sun wrote a whole article on the new mugshot. "THE eyes have lost none of their Satan stare."
posted by smackfu at 3:04 PM on November 23, 2009


I feel for the guy. I mean, it's not like you have any control over the circumstances of your birth, but

"I don't even kill bugs. I've had long hair all my life. I could make it go away, but I can't let the world and their fears change me."


Try to not string semi-random thought fragments together. Because that thing you just said? Sounds a bit like something a crazy person would say.
posted by quin at 3:22 PM on November 23, 2009 [2 favorites]


Fuck, I'm envious.
posted by telstar at 3:57 PM on November 23, 2009 [1 favorite]


You know what would be worse than finding out that Charles Manson is your biological father?

OH NO YOU HAD TO GO AND ASK DIDN'T YOU

i am so sorry


like hell you are hj

you evil evil man

posted by Halloween Jack at 4:44 PM on November 23, 2009 [2 favorites]


Further proof that I'm eeeee-vil: After reading The Boys From Brazil, I had fantasies of being one of the clones, just to have the ultimate conversational trump card. "Oh, so you think it's a big-ass deal that your grandfather fought in World War II? Really? Hey, does anyone have a black comb? "
posted by Halloween Jack at 4:47 PM on November 23, 2009 [2 favorites]


Valentine Michael Manson, aka Pooh Bear

Those who fail to study their Heinlein/A.A. Milne are doomed to mash them up.
posted by DU at 4:53 PM on November 23, 2009 [1 favorite]


Knowing who my father is makes me depressed all the time.
posted by Bageena at 5:21 PM on November 23, 2009 [2 favorites]


Michael has written a book that he gives away on his band's website. I can't really figure out what it's about, it seems to be a self help book, but what little i skimmed through it left me so creeped out that I gave up right away.
Oh, and his band has a Myspace page. The music sounds like Charlie Manson with a synthesizer.
posted by svenni at 6:15 PM on November 23, 2009


"It's like finding out that Adolf Hitler is your father"

It's not really though is it?
posted by ob at 6:21 PM on November 23, 2009


"It's like finding out that Adolf Hitler is your father"

Well, Hitler did have a nephew who resettled to the United States.
posted by jonp72 at 6:36 PM on November 23, 2009


In other words, he gets visibly angry, and someone else thinks, "He's really scaring me and I don't know why."

"Don't make me angry. You wouldn't like me when I'm angry."

(On the bright side, dude isn't the son of Marilyn Manson. That would really suck.)
posted by octobersurprise at 6:40 PM on November 23, 2009


"It's like finding out that Adolf Hitler is your father"

Heh. That was the subject of a short story I wrote oncet.
posted by Astro Zombie at 6:42 PM on November 23, 2009


This is going to ruin Star Wars for him.
posted by L.P. Hatecraft at 7:09 PM on November 23, 2009 [1 favorite]


No Manson thread would be complete without Charles Manson's Epic Answer (24 seconds).
posted by lazaruslong at 7:29 PM on November 23, 2009 [5 favorites]


And as usual, Rockford, Illinois makes good in the news.
posted by mykescipark at 9:16 PM on November 23, 2009 [1 favorite]


You know what would be worse than finding out that Charles Manson is your biological father?

Finding out that the conception occurred during a threesome with a biker?
posted by mannequito at 9:17 PM on November 23, 2009 [1 favorite]


So in undergrad, I was friends with a guy (a story unto himself, insofar as health issues were concerned: he was club footed, claimed to have gotten scurvy by eating nothing but bread for 2 months and wore a corset for the last 2 years because of back problems –and the club foot–) who also, after a while, admitted that his mom told him of a sexual encounter between herself and Charlie Manson within a year of his birth.
Until today, I'd never thought to check the dates on this claim... But, given that Manson was imprisoned in 1969, and this kid wasn't born until 1978, I've now come to understand that, although there is a seeming resemblance, he couldn't be Manson's demon spawn. Too bad. Otherwise, I could have gone to undergrad with Charlie Manson's corset wearing, club-footed scurvied demon spawn.. But instead it's just that guy with the lingerie and bad eating habits and a funny walk.
See Also: Children of the Revolution
posted by Cold Lurkey at 9:45 PM on November 23, 2009


I'm just glad Matthew was able to deal with his trauma by selling his story to the tabloids. I know that whenever I discover something upsetting about my family history, sharing it with millions of strangers in return for some hard cash is a great source of reassurance.

It's not like you get a salary for being depressed, and it tends to clean out one's bank account.
posted by BrotherCaine at 1:44 AM on November 24, 2009


If I was a 41-year-old DJ, I'd be pretty depressed too (and desperately looking for my 15 minutes of fame).
posted by Skeptic at 2:05 AM on November 24, 2009 [1 favorite]


Poor guy, he's just looking for a real Family.
posted by Skeptic at 2:06 AM on November 24, 2009 [1 favorite]


I think he just needs to embrace it and heed the words of a long forgotten songwriter... submission is a gift. His depression will, I'm sure, cease to exist.
posted by gjc at 4:01 AM on November 24, 2009 [1 favorite]


I feel bad for him, but fuck it, I'll say it: if you're really that upset about your dad being Charles Manson, maybe, just maybe, you might consider getting a haircut and ditching the jean jacket and not looking exactly like him.

And why would you announce it...? Most people would prefer to keep that sort of skeleton in the closet... unless of course this is some sort of PR stunt based on a coincidental resemblance.
posted by Zinger at 5:45 AM on November 24, 2009


If I was a 41-year-old DJ, I'd be pretty depressed too

What a silly thing to say. Nearly all the really big names in DJing are in their 40s if not older.

Tiesto - b. 1969
Junior Vasquez - b. 1949
Paul Oakenfold - b. 1963
Sasha - b.1969
John Digweed - 1967
Charissa Saverio (DJ Rap) - b.1969
...etc etc etc
posted by hippybear at 7:43 AM on November 24, 2009


All I know, my dad was married. But my mother wasn't. And then the agency gave me, like a piece of property, to some crazy woman. Wondering what happened to my mother is troubling.
posted by Goofyy at 9:07 AM on November 24, 2009


My great uncle or something was the first multiple murderer (a family of 4 and their horse) and last hanging in Kentucky*. Not my dad, but I'm not bothered by it.

*Something like that. My mom's the genealogist.
posted by cmoj at 9:49 AM on November 24, 2009


My great uncle or something was the first multiple murderer (a family of 4 and their horse) and last hanging in Kentucky*.

Well, I certainly hope he got a ballad out of the deal. What with the horse and all, that's a damn sight grittier than Omie Wise.
posted by FelliniBlank at 10:09 AM on November 24, 2009


hippybear Nearly all the really big names in DJing are in their 40s if not older.

Mr. Roberts' trouble is just that he isn't a big name in DJing, and at that age, he clearly isn't going to become one, even by relying on that spurious Charles Manson connection. Maybe I should rephrase my snark:

If I was an unknown 41-year-old DJ, I'd be pretty depressed too.
posted by Skeptic at 3:38 AM on November 26, 2009


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