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April 5, 2010 7:22 PM Subscribe
Atta Kim is a photographer and videographer. His website doesn't allow deep linking, however the Superimposition (some NSFW) and Deconstruction (likewise) series are a good start.
Ugh, I hate flash so much.
posted by amro at 7:32 PM on April 5, 2010 [3 favorites]
posted by amro at 7:32 PM on April 5, 2010 [3 favorites]
But truly good photos. I don't see the need to hide them inside of that mess though.
posted by Threeway Handshake at 7:32 PM on April 5, 2010 [1 favorite]
posted by Threeway Handshake at 7:32 PM on April 5, 2010 [1 favorite]
As the artist's website is a barely-useable Flash disaster, here is a Google Image search for "atta kim", and a link to The Museum Project, with an interview.
posted by oulipian at 7:37 PM on April 5, 2010
posted by oulipian at 7:37 PM on April 5, 2010
The Flash interface is terrible, isn't loading more than the first three photos for me, and lays out the info text to the left of the edge of the browser frame (thus I cannot read it).
If you want to be on the web, be on the web and make an HTML page. If you want to make masturbatory flash apps with unusable, inaccessible, unlinkable interfaces, go somewhere else. I don't care where.
This is not The Best Of The Web because it isn't on the web, it's in an unloadable puzzle box.
posted by 0xFCAF at 7:40 PM on April 5, 2010 [4 favorites]
If you want to be on the web, be on the web and make an HTML page. If you want to make masturbatory flash apps with unusable, inaccessible, unlinkable interfaces, go somewhere else. I don't care where.
This is not The Best Of The Web because it isn't on the web, it's in an unloadable puzzle box.
posted by 0xFCAF at 7:40 PM on April 5, 2010 [4 favorites]
(And I didn't even post Kim Holtermand's site because I thought the flash there was too obnoxious.
posted by klangklangston at 7:41 PM on April 5, 2010
posted by klangklangston at 7:41 PM on April 5, 2010
Ok, I take my earlier comment back. Kim Holtermand's is even worse. Well, it looks like it should be better, but it usurps the crown by not working at all.
posted by Threeway Handshake at 7:48 PM on April 5, 2010
posted by Threeway Handshake at 7:48 PM on April 5, 2010
Yeah, I'm usually dismissive of complaints about Flash sites, but holy crap this is awful.
posted by xthlc at 7:49 PM on April 5, 2010 [2 favorites]
posted by xthlc at 7:49 PM on April 5, 2010 [2 favorites]
This is like putting fliers on cars in a parking lot, but writing the words in Klingon. Unfortunately, it's symptomatic of lots of artists/photographers I know. They refuse to let their work speak for itself and feel compelled to embed it within a totally unusable interface. Throw in their ridiculous attempts to prevent people from "stealing" their images and they end up sabotaging their own publicity.
posted by thorny at 7:57 PM on April 5, 2010 [1 favorite]
posted by thorny at 7:57 PM on April 5, 2010 [1 favorite]
The flash wouldn't be so bad if the loading wasn't so slow.
But it is.
Very, very slow.
posted by delmoi at 7:59 PM on April 5, 2010
But it is.
Very, very slow.
posted by delmoi at 7:59 PM on April 5, 2010
Firefox prevented this site from opening a pop-up window.
posted by c0nsumer at 8:01 PM on April 5, 2010
posted by c0nsumer at 8:01 PM on April 5, 2010
The pop-up is just a flyer for his latest show.
posted by klangklangston at 8:09 PM on April 5, 2010
posted by klangklangston at 8:09 PM on April 5, 2010
Oh holy Jesus fuck this. Don't post this to Metafilter, post it to the Internet Interpol. This is a compete disaster.
posted by gum at 8:18 PM on April 5, 2010
posted by gum at 8:18 PM on April 5, 2010
Atta Kim, and Atta Kim lookalikes, do you see how your shitty Flash decisions redound on your art and your audience?
posted by gum at 8:24 PM on April 5, 2010
posted by gum at 8:24 PM on April 5, 2010
I like the images int he Portrait series quite a bit, but had to give up, as everyone alludes to the interface is toothache bad.
posted by edgeways at 8:27 PM on April 5, 2010
posted by edgeways at 8:27 PM on April 5, 2010
Maybe this is borrowed-laptop throwing me out of the loading context of my fellow man, but it really didn't take that long to load for me, and while the interface is annoying, the images were still worth it.
posted by klangklangston at 8:35 PM on April 5, 2010
posted by klangklangston at 8:35 PM on April 5, 2010
If the images are worth it, copy them and post them on a real website and link to that.
Linking to crap Flash like this just makes enemies. Why are perceptive photographers so incredibly dense about this?
posted by gum at 8:37 PM on April 5, 2010
Linking to crap Flash like this just makes enemies. Why are perceptive photographers so incredibly dense about this?
posted by gum at 8:37 PM on April 5, 2010
The galleries don't work at all for me using Chrome on Windows XP.
PSA: ARTISTS PLEASE GIVE THE ARTS DEPARTMENT A MISS AND GO TO THE CS DEPARTMENT FOR YOUR WEB CLASSES THANKS
posted by mindsound at 8:45 PM on April 5, 2010 [1 favorite]
PSA: ARTISTS PLEASE GIVE THE ARTS DEPARTMENT A MISS AND GO TO THE CS DEPARTMENT FOR YOUR WEB CLASSES THANKS
posted by mindsound at 8:45 PM on April 5, 2010 [1 favorite]
Shit, and all this time I thought our internet service was crapping out again.
It's just another masturbatory flashfucking photographer site. Yay.
posted by IAmBroom at 8:56 PM on April 5, 2010
It's just another masturbatory flashfucking photographer site. Yay.
posted by IAmBroom at 8:56 PM on April 5, 2010
Webdesigners who can rescue photographers and other visual artists from this kind of suicide webdesign, post your qualifications here!
posted by gum at 8:56 PM on April 5, 2010
posted by gum at 8:56 PM on April 5, 2010
I'm getting about 10 seconds of load time between each picture. Sorry klang, your artist posts are usually worth it, but I've got beds to sleep in.
posted by Think_Long at 8:57 PM on April 5, 2010
posted by Think_Long at 8:57 PM on April 5, 2010
It's weird how people feel that a stranger's poor website design is a personal insult to them. "What, you're going to make it kind of difficult for me to see your work? Well FUCK YOU then, stupid hipster"
posted by Think_Long at 8:59 PM on April 5, 2010
posted by Think_Long at 8:59 PM on April 5, 2010
I'm not personally insulted. It is just mind-boggling to see this happen.
Here, you have a guy who is a REALLY FUCKING TALENTED photographer, with a ton of amazing work that he wishes to put online.
So he goes out, purchases Flash, and no doubt, spends a lot of time creating... something that is actively hindering people seeing his work.
He'd do better to drop all the images in a fucking empty directory, and let us navigate an autogenerated Apache "Index Of" page.
posted by Threeway Handshake at 9:12 PM on April 5, 2010 [3 favorites]
Here, you have a guy who is a REALLY FUCKING TALENTED photographer, with a ton of amazing work that he wishes to put online.
So he goes out, purchases Flash, and no doubt, spends a lot of time creating... something that is actively hindering people seeing his work.
He'd do better to drop all the images in a fucking empty directory, and let us navigate an autogenerated Apache "Index Of" page.
posted by Threeway Handshake at 9:12 PM on April 5, 2010 [3 favorites]
You can make a Flash interface that's usable. Simpleviewer isn't so bad, for example. I'd prefer HTML, but it's not a disaster. This kind of thing, however, is... well, it's not good.
posted by wildcrdj at 9:15 PM on April 5, 2010
posted by wildcrdj at 9:15 PM on April 5, 2010
I think our collective HURF DURF about these flash sites comes from the cognitive dissonance between a message (look at my meaningful, nuanced cultural statement) and its technological medium (a pimped out 1999 Honda Civic up on cinderblocks), coupled with the knowledge that it's actually really easy to do better.
posted by mindsound at 9:17 PM on April 5, 2010 [2 favorites]
posted by mindsound at 9:17 PM on April 5, 2010 [2 favorites]
OK, I loaded up IE 6 and dang, I do like this dude's work. The first image in Deconstruction is very visceral. It's impossible not to imagine myself in the scene.
His IP's in South Korea if that makes anyone feel any better about the site being slow as hell.
posted by mindsound at 9:27 PM on April 5, 2010
His IP's in South Korea if that makes anyone feel any better about the site being slow as hell.
posted by mindsound at 9:27 PM on April 5, 2010
Seriously, this is a huge market, and webdesigners are complaining around the globe about no work.
Figure out how to confront artists like this about how dipshit their Flash websites are, and suggest a reasonably-priced alternative. You win, the artists win!
posted by gum at 10:27 PM on April 5, 2010
Figure out how to confront artists like this about how dipshit their Flash websites are, and suggest a reasonably-priced alternative. You win, the artists win!
posted by gum at 10:27 PM on April 5, 2010
Could you do that instead of complaining for a seventh time about the interface? I get it, we all get it. If you don't have anything else to say, maybe even about the work, how about you knock it off?
posted by klangklangston at 10:34 PM on April 5, 2010
posted by klangklangston at 10:34 PM on April 5, 2010
Wow, weird bunch of hate for the Flash. I think it does well to present the photos in an environment that's a little bit more special than, say, a standardized Google Image Search thumbnails gallery. Does everyone hate art that concerns itself with its presentation? Or are you just frustrated because it's slow? Or just because you don't want to have to take the three seconds to explore a new interface?
posted by scrowdid at 2:20 AM on April 6, 2010
posted by scrowdid at 2:20 AM on April 6, 2010
Is anybody else not getting color? They only appear as black and white in my browser.
Could you do that instead of complaining for a seventh time about the interface? I get it, we all get it. If you don't have anything else to say, maybe even about the work, how about you knock it off?
Let's see... they don't look photoshopped...
posted by hal9k at 3:27 AM on April 6, 2010
Could you do that instead of complaining for a seventh time about the interface? I get it, we all get it. If you don't have anything else to say, maybe even about the work, how about you knock it off?
Let's see... they don't look photoshopped...
posted by hal9k at 3:27 AM on April 6, 2010
I dont like the interface.
Or OPs modding the thread :)
posted by the cuban at 3:48 AM on April 6, 2010
Or OPs modding the thread :)
posted by the cuban at 3:48 AM on April 6, 2010
I give you a nice, clean, empty tab to load your craptacular interface, and what do you do? Open a new fucking window. You fucking idiot.
posted by Civil_Disobedient at 4:16 AM on April 6, 2010
posted by Civil_Disobedient at 4:16 AM on April 6, 2010
At first view, I was thinking...I know photographers who never learn the web design skills to present their work to wider audiences, they could learn something from Kim. Then I endured flash fail--repeatedly--never could get to Superimposition or Deconstruction, so I can't talk much about the photography. The "Profiles" series was just average, so I wish I could have seen some of the others. By that time, I was thinking--simpler is better in an artist's website and Kim could learn a thing or three.
But--even though I know some folks have loaded Kim's photos without the annoying flash-fuck, I have about 15 seconds to decide whether to look or to move on. The bog-standard portraits made me move on.
posted by beelzbubba at 5:09 AM on April 6, 2010
But--even though I know some folks have loaded Kim's photos without the annoying flash-fuck, I have about 15 seconds to decide whether to look or to move on. The bog-standard portraits made me move on.
posted by beelzbubba at 5:09 AM on April 6, 2010
Maybe he's just running his server on a Commodore 64.
posted by mccarty.tim at 5:43 AM on April 6, 2010
posted by mccarty.tim at 5:43 AM on April 6, 2010
...His pretentious Flash Application doesn't allow deep linking...
FTFY
posted by cleancut at 6:12 AM on April 6, 2010
FTFY
posted by cleancut at 6:12 AM on April 6, 2010
Oh boy... composites of multiple photos.... I've done that before...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/--mike--/sets/72157604113697209/
Anyone can do it, and do a better job of it. You need a digital camera, Hugin (which is open source) and a way to average the resulting frames.
posted by MikeWarot at 6:54 AM on April 6, 2010
http://www.flickr.com/photos/--mike--/sets/72157604113697209/
Anyone can do it, and do a better job of it. You need a digital camera, Hugin (which is open source) and a way to average the resulting frames.
posted by MikeWarot at 6:54 AM on April 6, 2010
The problem is not flash. The problem is that you're all too impatient for the (way too large) images to load.
posted by infinitefloatingbrains at 9:31 AM on April 6, 2010
posted by infinitefloatingbrains at 9:31 AM on April 6, 2010
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