City of Brotherly UUUHHHHGGGGG

April 16, 2010 2:08 PM

Sports fans in Philadelphia have a bad reputation. They booed when their long-time star quarterback Donovan McNabb was drafted. (Something he took personally for years.) They booed and threw snow balls at Santa Claus. They booed when Michael Irvin lay motionless on the field with a neck injury that would end his career. They fought so much at football games that, for a time, their stadium had its own criminal court. Adding to this glorious legacy, at last night's Phillies game, a man allegedly stuck his own fingers down his throat and intentionally projectile vomited on a father and his two daughters who were cheering for the Washington Nationals.
posted by Damn That Television (130 comments total)

Fuck you. This post blows.

BOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!


Seriously though 132 people were arrested at a Dodgers game the other day, the Philly bashing is getting old and tired. Very little happens in Philly that does not happen everywhere else.
posted by furiousxgeorge at 2:12 PM on April 16, 2010 [6 favorites]

(That should be "cheered" for the Michael Irvin injury part. Although I'm sure some people just reflexively booed, too, out of habit.)
posted by Damn That Television at 2:12 PM on April 16, 2010

I flagged it because it's more 'fuck Philly sports fans, they are all assholes and behave like dicks.' A jerkoff from Cherry Hill, New Jersey acted like an asshole at a Phillies game. He's lucky the cop from Easton was level headed, because if he had puked on the offspring of a Philly cop we'd be having a grar police abuse FPP.
posted by fixedgear at 2:14 PM on April 16, 2010

After all the disruptions and vile acts, the 11-year-old was able to come out of the game with a smile, her father said. A nearby fan caught a foul ball and gave it to the girl.

Aww. See? That made it all worthwhile. Nothing like the magic of a ball that's been in play in a MLB game to erase the memory of a drunken sociopath emptying out partially digested hotdogs, nachos, and beer on you.
posted by Burhanistan at 2:14 PM on April 16, 2010 [5 favorites]

> Very little happens in Philly that does not happen everywhere else.

If intentionally vomiting on children and beating up their dads is common at other ball parks, this probably would not have made the news.
posted by ardgedee at 2:15 PM on April 16, 2010 [55 favorites]

we'd be having a grar police abuse FPP.

I'm actually a bit grar that they didn't stomp Clemens to death.
posted by Burhanistan at 2:15 PM on April 16, 2010 [1 favorite]

If intentionally vomiting on children and beating up their dads is common at other ball parks, this probably would not have made the news.


Oh, is this COMMON in Philly?
posted by furiousxgeorge at 2:16 PM on April 16, 2010 [2 favorites]

"He leaned forward, he projectile vomited all over me and my daughter," Vangelo said with a look of hurt splashed across his face.

Seriously, newswriter Vince Lattanzio? Wha-wha-whawha WHAAAARN
posted by penduluum at 2:20 PM on April 16, 2010 [9 favorites]

Philly is one of a kind... good times
posted by matimer at 2:21 PM on April 16, 2010

Jesus, can someone put out a warrant for the author of that article, for abuse of the English language?

"He leaned forward, he projectile vomited all over me and my daughter," Vangelo said with a look of hurt splashed across his face.

Clemens then began wailing on Vangelo after he pushed him away from the girl -- hitting the off-duty officer in the head and neck, causing his ear to bleed, police said.

a) "Waling" as in "hitting" is a slang term
b) and it's "waling" or possibly "whaling" but not "wailing"
and
c) that's just terrible, you sound like you're in 7th grade, drjimmy wrote with a look of hurt splashed across his face.
posted by drjimmy11 at 2:21 PM on April 16, 2010 [21 favorites]

at last night's Phillies game, a man allegedly stuck his own fingers down his throat and intentionally projectile vomited on a father and his two daughters who were cheering for the Washington Nationals.

holy shit
posted by Optimus Chyme at 2:21 PM on April 16, 2010 [3 favorites]

furiousxgeorge: "the Philly bashing is getting old and tired. Very little happens in Philly that does not happen everywhere else."

fixedgear: "I flagged it because it's more 'fuck Philly sports fans, they are all assholes and behave like dicks.'"

As a Texan, I am shocked, shocked, that Metafilter would stoop to such a level.
posted by fireoyster at 2:21 PM on April 16, 2010 [28 favorites]

Matthew Clemmens is a DOUCHE FB group.
posted by fixedgear at 2:21 PM on April 16, 2010

Donovan McNabb: 'I'd Like To Thank The Ungrateful, Over-Expecting, Oftentimes-Racist Fans Of Philadelphia'

(Obligatory Onion link)
posted by BitterOldPunk at 2:23 PM on April 16, 2010

Ah, are vomitoriums back in fashion these days? Those Romans were really ahead of their time, you know.
posted by yeloson at 2:24 PM on April 16, 2010 [1 favorite]

Fuck you. This post blows. BOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

Typical Philly fan.
posted by nitsuj at 2:25 PM on April 16, 2010

Did they dust for vomit?
posted by drjimmy11 at 2:25 PM on April 16, 2010 [4 favorites]

Ah, are vomitoriums back in fashion these days? Those Romans were really ahead of their time, you know.

Vomitoriums have nothing to do with literal regurgitation.
posted by jedicus at 2:27 PM on April 16, 2010 [13 favorites]

Very little happens in Philly that does not happen everywhere else.

Well, as long as the "vomiting on an 11-year-old girl" thing RARELY happens, I guess that it's okay.

As fireoyster said, I get the whole "I don't like it when people lump me in with assholes just because of something we have in common", but for come ON.

Vomiting on girls because of who their dad likes at a sporting event? We can comment on how that is weird and fucked up without even knowing where the people are from.
posted by 23skidoo at 2:27 PM on April 16, 2010 [3 favorites]

Hey you misspelled "Montreal Expos" there.
posted by GuyZero at 2:27 PM on April 16, 2010 [4 favorites]

Seriously though 132 people were arrested at a Dodgers game the other day

This is a red herring. Unlike many other sports venues, tailgating is not allowed at Dodger stadium. Most years, the cops turn a blind eye on Opening Day and having a few beers in the parking lot before the game is overlooked. For the rest of the season, you could drink if you sat inside your veichle and didn't make it obvious.

But, every once in a while (when the Giants come to town) people get drunk and someone gets stabbed/shot.

This year, the LAPD captain in charge of the area said they were going to be super aggressive* and send a message to people who try to tailgate. This included cops with bullhorns at 6am warning people what would happen if they were caught. Well, obviously, not everyone took it seriously and a whole bunch of people got arrested.

It's not like there was a 132 people large drunken brawl in the the left field pavilion. Although, I guess that kind of stuff happened in the past which is why alcohol wasn't sold out there until recently :-)

*The LAPD police academy is literally next door to the Stadium. The instructors could have just walked all the recruits over to the parking lot and gave them some good practice in arresting people :-)
posted by sideshow at 2:27 PM on April 16, 2010 [4 favorites]

That's awful, and yet, I'm laughing. I'm awful.
posted by infinitywaltz at 2:28 PM on April 16, 2010

Is there any mention that they were even Nationals fans? I think the drunks just got pissed off because they were asking them not to use foul language and got security.


(Obligatory Onion link)

Yeah, it's in the main post along with the laundry list of old ass stories, and it's bullshit. He was the most popular player in the city for 11 years, look at the jersey sales. Nearly everyone defended him against Limbaugh. He wanted to keep playing here. He was booed by 30 idiots who listen to talk radio, you want to be judged by what the talk radio listeners of your town do?
posted by furiousxgeorge at 2:31 PM on April 16, 2010 [3 favorites]

That McNabb footage is.. kind of nuts. No wonder it stuck with him. Have other draft picks ever gotten booed?
posted by graventy at 2:32 PM on April 16, 2010 [1 favorite]

You forgot drunken mob from Moe's Tavern beat Phillies fan to death in parking lot. If you are gonna Philly bash, at least do your homework.
posted by fixedgear at 2:33 PM on April 16, 2010

We can comment on how that is weird and fucked up without even knowing where the people are from.

Yeah, so why do we have the six other links? One drunk nut did something fucked up, it has nothing to do with any of the other links.

We can talk about people being stabbed at Dodger games without a bunch of links implying LA fans are assholes.
posted by furiousxgeorge at 2:35 PM on April 16, 2010

Vangelo, who with his two daughters was abused by an unruly fan Wednesday night, said the club invited him and his family to a game, dinner and to watch batting practice from the field.

"I accepted," said the longtime Phillies fan and Easton police officer.
posted by furiousxgeorge at 2:37 PM on April 16, 2010 [1 favorite]

The most shocking thing about this story is that people from Pennsylvania, or anywhere else, are fans of the Nationals. FWIW I would vomit on them too.
posted by Mister_A at 2:38 PM on April 16, 2010 [3 favorites]

This brought to mind the incident in December where one of the visiting New York Islanders was run over before a game.
posted by mannequito at 2:38 PM on April 16, 2010

We have six other useless links because the poster knows tag without them the post wouldn't last a minute. Seriously, Dick Allen? Then can't even remember the year, it was "in the sxties." Flyers fans booed Sarah Palin? That's a bad thing?
posted by fixedgear at 2:39 PM on April 16, 2010

Also, this douche is from Cherry Hill. Verdict: Douche bag. Case closed.
posted by Mister_A at 2:40 PM on April 16, 2010 [2 favorites]

Oh, is this COMMON in Philly?

They even booed Snooki at the Wing Bowl.
posted by iviken at 2:40 PM on April 16, 2010

If this had happened outside a bar in Toledo, would it be national news?
posted by furiousxgeorge at 2:42 PM on April 16, 2010

When you bring up examples like "booing Snooki at WingBowl" and "booing Sarah Palin at the Flyers game," you undermine the premise that Philly fans are tasteless boors.
posted by Mister_A at 2:43 PM on April 16, 2010 [5 favorites]

Hey, remember in the 90's when Eagles players were offered bonuses for injuring Cowboys players? I do.
posted by cmoj at 2:44 PM on April 16, 2010

Or tasteless boo-ers. Heh!

Boo-urns to yese!
posted by Mister_A at 2:44 PM on April 16, 2010

Don't Nats fans have enough to deal with?
posted by klangklangston at 2:45 PM on April 16, 2010

"I accepted," said the longtime Phillies fan and Easton police officer.
posted by furiousxgeorge at 2:51 PM on April 16, 2010

Dude. using a blink tag in cold blood is worse than any of the offenses in the post.
posted by kmz at 2:52 PM on April 16, 2010 [3 favorites]

We can comment on how that is weird and fucked up without even knowing where the people are from.

Yeah, so why do we have the six other links? One drunk nut did something fucked up, it has nothing to do with any of the other links.

Ummm, it's not my post, I have no idea. But no matter how much imaginary Philly-hate you seem to see here, this thread is going to be about "OMG VOMITING ON PEOPLE IS GROSS" and not "LOLPHILLIESFANS".

However, I think you and the other guy are entertaining, so keep up the outrage. And the defense of vomiting on 11-year-old girls.
posted by 23skidoo at 2:53 PM on April 16, 2010

I present Reef the Lost Cause's Sound of Philadelphia
posted by symbioid at 2:54 PM on April 16, 2010

Dude. using a blink tag in cold blood is worse than any of the offenses in the post.

Well, he's a Philly fan, so I think it should be expected.

HAMBURGER

Seriously, though, if you have a problem with the post, MetaTalk is right next door.
posted by graventy at 2:55 PM on April 16, 2010

Tone down the furiousness, furiousxgeorge.
posted by modernnomad at 2:57 PM on April 16, 2010 [1 favorite]

And the defense of vomiting on 11-year-old girls.

Yeah, that is TOTALLY what is happening here, you jackass.
posted by furiousxgeorge at 2:57 PM on April 16, 2010

However, I think you and the other guy are entertaining, so keep up the outrage. And the defense of vomiting on 11-year-old girls.

Other guy here, can't recall when I defended vomiting on 11 year old girls. Maybe I'll start a MeTa. I'm really surprised it's still here since it's essentially single-link-news-of-the-weird.
posted by fixedgear at 3:01 PM on April 16, 2010

Start a MeTa then. OR ARE YOU TOO CHICKEN (LIKE EVERYONE ELSE FROM PHILLY [THE TOWN WHERE EVERYONE BARFS ON LITTLE GIRLS{INTENTIONALLY}])????? >;(
posted by Damn That Television at 3:08 PM on April 16, 2010 [20 favorites]

I'm really surprised it's still here since it's essentially single-link-news-of-the-weird.

You mean news of the awesome. I'm seriously going to start using this guy's technique in every single confrontation I ever get in again, ever!

"You've been late to work an awful late lately...can you try and work on getting here on time?

*BARRRRRF*

"I made dinner, the least you could do is put your own laundry away!"

*BARRRRRF*

"I clocked you at 51 MPH in a 25 zone."

*BARRRRRF*
posted by infinitywaltz at 3:11 PM on April 16, 2010 [19 favorites]

Y'know, what? I totally misspoke, and I'm totally wrong. You never defended vomiting on 11-year-old girls. But you did act like it was so... commonplace? non-unusual? that it shouldn't be interesting enough to warrant a post, with comments such as:

Very little happens in Philly that does not happen everywhere else.

and

If this had happened outside a bar in Toledo, would it be national news?

There are TONS of single-link-news-of-the-weird posts on MeFi. This is just as postworthy as "Don't Taze me Bro!" or that college student who was dragged out of class by campus cops. Sometimes, people do crazy things. Sometimes, they will be from a certain place and people will mention that place. But I think you're really making this much more of a Philly-thing than it needs to be about.
posted by 23skidoo at 3:12 PM on April 16, 2010

That's insane.

But this thread is hilarious. What a fucking weirdo.
posted by delmoi at 3:13 PM on April 16, 2010 [1 favorite]

But I think you're really making this much more of a Philly-thing than it needs to be about.

The thread title is "City of Brotherly UUUHHHHGGGGG". There are multiple links implying this sort of thing is a symptom of being a Philadelphia sports fan, not a drunk moron.

It would be just as bad if it happened in Toledo, but it would not be a Metafilter post.
posted by furiousxgeorge at 3:16 PM on April 16, 2010 [3 favorites]

I would post the MeTa, but I can't since I used my 'one-every-seven-days' up with a follow-up to the LMSD laptop case. If furiousxgeorge wants to that's up to him.
posted by fixedgear at 3:18 PM on April 16, 2010

I'm trying to picture what it would have been like to sit in the stands that night. Watching the dude in the photo shamble over to the dad and his two kids, shove his fist down his throat, and then regurgitate four hot dogs, ten beers, and maybe a pizza or something. THEN he starts beating on the dad. THEN he gets tackled while continuing to chunder, causing the good samaritans who took offense at this drunken caveman puking and whaling on some innocent guy to ALSO get covered in vomit.

Don't get me wrong, I feel bad for the dad and his kids, because what a way to have your night ruined, but this is just too fucking insane and absurd and hilarious.
posted by threetoed at 3:20 PM on April 16, 2010 [4 favorites]

Yeah, guys, if we're gonna bash on someone, why not people from New Jersey? Or 21 year olds that still don't know how to drink without getting ridiculously trashed? Or assholes in general?

Oh, because it'd be more to string together some BS post about how fans of Philadelphia sports teams have a soul-crushingly gross and grossly unsporting response to any challenge or defeat? Lazy.
posted by piratebowling at 3:21 PM on April 16, 2010 [1 favorite]

MeTa
posted by Juicy Avenger at 3:23 PM on April 16, 2010 [1 favorite]

I was effing proud when they boo'd Palin. Don't even try to pretend that was a shitty thing to do.
posted by piratebowling at 3:24 PM on April 16, 2010 [3 favorites]

MeTa.
posted by Damn That Television at 3:26 PM on April 16, 2010 [4 favorites]

The thread title is "City of Brotherly UUUHHHHGGGGG". There are multiple links implying this sort of thing is a symptom of being a Philadelphia sports fan, not a drunk moron.

It would be just as bad if it happened in Toledo, but it would not be a Metafilter post.

You started out defending your city's sports fans immediately instead of waiting to see if people would be all "OMG, that dude is sick" or "OMG, people from Philly are sick" or "Typical Phillies fan", it became a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I've really never, ever heard of anyone using forced vomit to express their extreme disgust. I think it would be "lite-newsworthy" wherever the person was from.
posted by 23skidoo at 3:28 PM on April 16, 2010

Just posted this at Sportsfilter, but I'm going to base my stereotype of Phillies fans on the three fans I know - a minister, his wife and this guitar player.

All three are polite, kind and - while fervent supporters of their team - excellent sports. And the minister is originally from New Jersey.

Three of the nicest people I know, actually.

So, anyhow, when I think of the Phillies, I think of them.

Alas, its always the loudest, worst members of a group that end up being portrayed as the representative sample of that group.

Its strikes me that the only group the barfy dude represents are obnoxious, drunken sports guys. I suggest that even most of that demographic would disavow barfy dude.
posted by Joey Michaels at 3:29 PM on April 16, 2010 [1 favorite]

Let's look at the big karmic picture, here.

Doesn't booing Sarah Palin make up for a little projectile vomit on an 11-year-old girl?
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 3:34 PM on April 16, 2010 [2 favorites]

Tone down the furiousness, furiousxgeorge.

Putting the mod back in modernnomad.
posted by kuujjuarapik at 3:35 PM on April 16, 2010

Susan Sarandon Vomited On: Puked On By A Transsexual
posted by fixedgear at 3:37 PM on April 16, 2010

After all the disruptions and vile acts, the 11-year-old was able to come out of the game with a smile, her father said. A nearby fan caught a foul ball and gave it to the girl.

It was actually a regurgitated meatball. And now you know… the rest of the story.
posted by Combustible Edison Lighthouse at 3:38 PM on April 16, 2010 [3 favorites]

As a Washingtonian, I approve this post. Philly fans are assholes.
posted by empath at 3:41 PM on April 16, 2010

I remain amazed at the black eye on Mr. Clemmens in the mugshot.
posted by fairytale of los angeles at 3:43 PM on April 16, 2010

I went to the Wing Bowl one year to support this goon I went to high school with and he fucking projectile vomited all over everything halfway through the competition. Seriously, it was like a solid cord of puke connecting his face to the table that was as big around as your arm.

Oh wait, here's a frame by frame screen capture of it.

THANKS INTERNET.
posted by The Straightener at 3:44 PM on April 16, 2010 [17 favorites]

Oh wait, here's a frame by frame screen capture of it.

*nod, light applause*
posted by Greg Nog at 3:49 PM on April 16, 2010 [2 favorites]

if you can't hurl batteries, just hurl
posted by nathancaswell at 3:50 PM on April 16, 2010 [2 favorites]

Lo, it was quite unsportsmanlike, moreover unpatriotic! Spectation in an arena of sport is relgated to a dull clamor where friendly competitors display the utmost decorum. All dessenters shall be purged to the vomitorium. Post haste!
posted by Juicy Avenger at 3:55 PM on April 16, 2010 [1 favorite]

You started out defending your city's sports fans immediately instead of waiting to see if people would be all "OMG, that dude is sick" or "OMG, people from Philly are sick" or "Typical Phillies fan", it became a self-fulfilling prophecy.

My problem is with the post itself not the potential comments, I think I have been pretty clear on it. This is the second time you have put words in my mouth, and it is pretty lame.
posted by furiousxgeorge at 4:00 PM on April 16, 2010 [1 favorite]

Phillies fans are a bunch of crybabies.
posted by stavrogin at 4:01 PM on April 16, 2010 [1 favorite]

I literally don't understand why people actually care about games played by people they don't know and will never know. I understand why they watch people play a game. I understand why they might prefer one team to win versus the other. But to actually care to the point that they get upset or cry or whatever? It makes no sense.

And why do people say "we" when they are talking about team that they are a fan of? As in, "We have a tough game in Boston tonight" or "We shouldn't have traded for Johnson." Are you on the team? Do you even know any of the players?

People like U2. They don't say, "I love our new album" or "We should play smaller arenas next time."

It's just fucking weird.
posted by flarbuse at 4:10 PM on April 16, 2010 [9 favorites]

I literally don't understand why people actually care about games played by people they don't know and will never know.

Sports are simulated tribal warfare. They fulfill our need to root for warriors from our clan to defeat warriors from another clan on a field of battle. That's the button it's pressing, and that's why it sometimes leads to violence among fans.
posted by nathancaswell at 4:12 PM on April 16, 2010 [4 favorites]

To be one hundred percent honest I don't buy it. Who hasn't wanted to put an off duty cop or bouncer whose throwing excess grar and weight around, in their place? Not saying anyone is a genius or fantastic or defensible person for puking on kids (and even worse for coming to blows over it), but I pretty much never buy a cop's side of the story and I'm not going to start now. All I am saying, is I think there's more to the story and it probably doesn't make the poor cop father with a hurt look on his wittle face look quite as saintly as he's painting himself.

The same week I found out I was pregnant, I went to see the Eagles at Giants stadium. Giants fans were throwing beer bottles (the plastic ones, sure) at Eagles fans. We saw fights, fistfights, and fans of both teams were ejected for it. The Giants fans were violent, and scary and picking fights - so much so that we were scared given I was only just pregnant. So you know what we did? As the away-team fans instead of starting a fight, we LEFT. The cop should have taken his daughters and gotten out of a situation that was clearly turning bad, fast. My guess is instead he wanted to throw is off-duty-cop weight around.

I thought about posting about this when I heard it this morning, and jsut thought - well, if we are going to post every time someone somewhere acts like an asshole (note: because I think both sides probably did), then the front page will be busy fast. Go Phils!! Okay, well, go Mets, I hate the Phils. But whatever.
posted by bunnycup at 4:13 PM on April 16, 2010 [2 favorites]

MetaFilter: We can comment on how that is weird and fucked up

I'm sorry...I'm weird and fucked up
posted by never used baby shoes at 4:15 PM on April 16, 2010

Since the topic has come up, I will say that in my experience in attending many Nationals home games, Phillies fans have been the most offensive and boorish by a large margin. Most of them are fine, but the number of assholes among Philly supporters is large.
posted by exogenous at 4:17 PM on April 16, 2010

Not saying anyone is a genius or fantastic or defensible person for puking on kids

Normally I'd assume that goes without saying, but given the rest of your comment, it was probably a good idea to make it clear. Good grief.
posted by Combustible Edison Lighthouse at 4:20 PM on April 16, 2010

Yes, I want to make it clear that I think both sides of this fight were jerks. And I have the assumption well in hand that if I make a comment without foreclosing every possible irrational interpretation of that comment, I will be accused of supporting any such potential irrational interpretation.
posted by bunnycup at 4:23 PM on April 16, 2010 [1 favorite]

My problem is with the post itself not the potential comments, I think I have been pretty clear on it. This is the second time you have put words in my mouth, and it is pretty lame.

Someone makes a post that's all "LOLPHILLIESFANS", but if everyone just ignores it and focuses on "OMG PUKING", then in my mind it doesn't even matter that someone framed the post badly, if people were able to see past it and find something noteworthy to talk about.

That's not putting words in your mouth at all. That's just disagreeing with you about what's important.
posted by 23skidoo at 4:24 PM on April 16, 2010

I pretty much never buy a cop's side of the story and I'm not going to start now

I am a thrice-decorated Field Marshal of Fuck The Police but I don't think even the worst cop can somehow frame a guy into barfing on his (the cop's) kid
posted by Optimus Chyme at 4:28 PM on April 16, 2010 [14 favorites]

I am a thrice-decorated Field Marshal of Fuck The Police but I don't think even the worst cop can somehow frame a guy into barfing on his (the cop's) kid

No, agreed. I should have been more clear, that I believe the vomiting ocurred and I believe the vomitor was wrong to do so. However, I suspect the cop threw his weight around and egged the guy on. Picked a fight. That doesn't excuse taking it out on a kid, of COURSE.
posted by bunnycup at 4:35 PM on April 16, 2010

I say stuff like "we made a great album" but then, I'm Bono.

Oh wait, no. I'm God. I just think I'm Bono.
posted by kmz at 4:35 PM on April 16, 2010

I live in Cherry Hill. I could (or is it "couldn't"?) care less about any part of this story.
posted by ellenaim at 4:38 PM on April 16, 2010

At long last, the rest of the world can learn from US sport. For so long we have laughed at your grown men in knickerbockers playing rounders, chuckled as your outsize 'football' players bump into each other for no apparent reason, and thoroughly enjoyed your basketball.

But, while our 'soccer' fans have been punching and stabbing each other at sporting events, you have made a great leap forward in the field of mindless hooliganism. Tomorrow at the match I will not swear at the visiting supporters, nor will I make crude gestures in their direction. From this day forth, there is only one way to show my disdain, my hatred: I will fucking well vomit all over their daughters.
posted by a little headband I put around my throat at 4:38 PM on April 16, 2010 [6 favorites]

That's just disagreeing with you about what's important.

I've noticed that on Metafilter people tend to care about the quality of posts.
posted by furiousxgeorge at 4:39 PM on April 16, 2010 [1 favorite]

Lard-ass! Lard-ass! Lard-ass!
posted by gman at 4:43 PM on April 16, 2010 [1 favorite]

Clearly this guy has never been to a game in Boston.
posted by Palerale at 4:46 PM on April 16, 2010 [2 favorites]

Oh, they're puking on Yankee fans in Boston now? Cite please.
posted by kuujjuarapik at 4:49 PM on April 16, 2010

This place blows chunks. Change of venues.
posted by gman at 4:50 PM on April 16, 2010

I've noticed that on Metafilter people tend to care about the quality of posts.

Sure. I'm not saying I don't understand your point, I'm just disagreeing with you is all. Metafilter is about quality posts, but it's also about discussions that form around weak posts. It's a lot of things.

I feel boring now, so I am done posting to this thread.

*vomits*
posted by 23skidoo at 4:52 PM on April 16, 2010

but it's also about discussions that form around weak posts.

Sometimes, sure, but if you think this thread was ever heading in the direction of a great discussion even if I hadn't said one word we really aren't on the same page.
posted by furiousxgeorge at 4:56 PM on April 16, 2010

Oh, they're puking on Yankee fans in Boston now? Cite please

actually no, they tend to gang up on and pummel yankees fans into a pulp up there.
personally id rather be puked on.


anyway how bad could it be, im sure it was mostly beer?
posted by Palerale at 5:01 PM on April 16, 2010 [1 favorite]

Fuck baseball. I grew up a Cubs fan.
posted by Sailormom at 5:03 PM on April 16, 2010 [1 favorite]

actually no, they tend to gang up on and pummel yankees fans into a pulp up there.
personally id rather be puked on.

Cite please.
posted by ericb at 5:09 PM on April 16, 2010

BTW -- 'Yankees Suck!'
posted by ericb at 5:10 PM on April 16, 2010

ericb, I just googled. First think that came up:

Police say Robert Correia of Falmouth and several others attacked the New York man with a baseball bat. First they accused him of supporting the Yankees and then they attacked him with the bat. (2008)
posted by bunnycup at 5:11 PM on April 16, 2010

You forgot the guy who worked for the eagles who filmed himself spitting on the star in the middle of Cowboy's Stadium.


Also, 1) This post is great and indicative of what seems to come out of Philly every year.

and 2) the whining and PC bullshit backbiting in this thread is why I rarely read metafilter comments anymore. It's disgusting and sad.
posted by Espoo2 at 5:14 PM on April 16, 2010 [1 favorite]

Geno's* or Pat's?
posted by ericb at 5:14 PM on April 16, 2010

Skip geno's and pat's and go get a slice from lorenzos.

fantastic stuff
posted by Palerale at 5:18 PM on April 16, 2010 [1 favorite]

ericb, I just googled. First think that came up...

I'll see you and raise you...

Cops: Sox fan hit, killed over Yankees rivalry.

Sox fan attacked in New York.

The Red Sox-Yankees Rivalry Turns Violent and Even Deadly.

posted by ericb at 5:21 PM on April 16, 2010

Red Sox Fan Sues Yankees Over Assault

I guess we're even.
posted by kuujjuarapik at 5:22 PM on April 16, 2010

yeah, it goes both ways. but as a lifelong (til 2004) sox fan who has lived in both boston and nyc (now philly)... i can PROMISE you it was much more comfortable for me in NYC than it was for any yanks fan in boston. shit, theres even an embassy in ny (The Riviera).

and since i have been in philly (now a METS fan, no less), it has been just silly.

so as someone who has seen it all from the frontlines, i call this whole thread bullshit.
posted by Palerale at 5:25 PM on April 16, 2010

I see I've been raised.

Red Sox fan assaulted in New York

NY Yankees fan sentenced to 20 years for second-degree murder

So there you go. Three strikes, I'm out.
posted by kuujjuarapik at 5:26 PM on April 16, 2010

A man-bites-dog object lesson for the journalism majors out there:

Man sticks own fingers down throat and intentionally vomits: not news
Man sticks someone else's fingers down throat and intentionally vomits: LEAD STORY
posted by dr_dank at 5:31 PM on April 16, 2010

MetaFilter: I Believe The Vomitor Was Wrong.
posted by Mister_A at 5:37 PM on April 16, 2010 [1 favorite]

A local Philly sports blog posts a video of some additional typical Phillie fan behavior. (That fan also happens to be another local blogger.)
posted by gladly at 5:44 PM on April 16, 2010 [2 favorites]

The same week I found out I was pregnant, I went to see the Eagles at Giants stadium. Giants fans were throwing beer bottles (the plastic ones, sure) at Eagles fans. We saw fights, fistfights, and fans of both teams were ejected for it. The Giants fans were violent, and scary and picking fights - so much so that we were scared given I was only just pregnant. So you know what we did? As the away-team fans instead of starting a fight, we LEFT. The cop should have taken his daughters and gotten out of a situation that was clearly turning bad, fast. My guess is instead he wanted to throw is off-duty-cop weight around.

Wow, that's just..way out of hand.
While I applaud you for recognizing a dangerous situation and leaving, it's shame you had to.
I'm not sure what being an off-duty cop has to do with anything though, I mean, I'd certainly ask some folks to settle down before I just got up and left. If you abandon the stands to the yobs, that's all you are going to get.

Situations like the one you describe are one of the reasons, on the rare occasions I go to a major sporting event, that I pay for expensive seats.
They always seem to pay more attention to unruly fans if everyone else has paid through the nose.
posted by madajb at 6:05 PM on April 16, 2010

I mean, I'd certainly ask some folks to settle down before I just got up and left.

It's best to go right to security, ask to be moved if possible as well. Most stadiums have numbers you can text to in order to report bad behavior too.
posted by furiousxgeorge at 6:11 PM on April 16, 2010

Situations like the one you describe are one of the reasons, on the rare occasions I go to a major sporting event, that I pay for expensive seats.

I was in my firm's corporate season seats.

To be fair, I lived in New York a long time (10 years), and have seen a few Eagles games at Giants stadium. One was, I believe, the first NFL game after September 11. IIRC, and I might not, the Eagles ended a perhaps 6 or 7 game streak of losses to the Giants, beating them at home. I was there with other female friends, decked out head to toe in Eagles gear, drunk, cheering, screaming. Even at a high-emotion game where NY was losing, the most aggressive thing any fan did toward us was offer us some pretzels. Compared to the more recent game where NY was winning, with something like 13 sacks on McNabb, it was a whole different world. Ahh, but I still love it.

Unfortunately, the violence, intimidation, etc. are part and parcel, and if this thread proved anything its that no one city is solely to blame. Lots of people hurt over professional sports rivalries - something that is among the lowest things on the scale of importance I can think of.
posted by bunnycup at 6:18 PM on April 16, 2010

Just be glad we have evolved into these silly traditions, and not the old school stadium sports where if you misbehaved, they tossed YOU to the lion also.
posted by Palerale at 6:29 PM on April 16, 2010

As a Redskins fan, I have childhood memories of watching the Body Bag Game live on Monday Night Football.. Also see - Section 700 at the old Veterans Stadium, which had its own JAIL, the place was so rowdy.

gotta love the NFC East. Philly fans.. SMH. I mean, it's the Nats. Why are you even going to get mad at them.
posted by citron at 7:53 PM on April 16, 2010

It wasn't a Nats fan. The jail/court was mentioned in the FPP along with the rest of the list of old and tired Philly bashing stories.
posted by furiousxgeorge at 8:13 PM on April 16, 2010

I was in my firm's corporate season seats.

Huh, I've never run into anything like that, but then I've never really been to a high-intensity rivals game.
posted by madajb at 8:25 PM on April 16, 2010

It's best to go right to security, ask to be moved if possible as well. Most stadiums have numbers you can text to in order to report bad behavior too.

Yeah, and it sucks I'd even have to do that.
I suppose the days of not swearing and acting the fool in front of children are long gone.
posted by madajb at 8:26 PM on April 16, 2010

I suppose the days of not swearing and acting the fool in front of children are long gone.

I think that might be a bit of a good ol' days that never existed thing. Security is WAYYYYY better than it has ever been before in stadiums. You simply don't gather tens of thousands of likely drunk people in one place without the full spectrum of bad behavior humans are capable of.
posted by furiousxgeorge at 8:30 PM on April 16, 2010

As a Yankee fan living in Boston who grew up in Jersey between NYC and Philly, I can say I'd sooner wear my Yankee cap (that I've *always* worn at Fenway when the Yankees are in town) in Southie, naked, with "Red Sox Suck!" in lipstick on my bare torso, before I brought it concealed in bag to Philadelphia.

You can post links from shenanigans in other cities all you want - if you haven't experienced a major sporting event in Philly as a visiting fan... You. Don't. Understand.
posted by jalexei at 8:53 PM on April 16, 2010

if you haven't experienced a major sporting event in Philly as a visiting fan... You. Don't. Understand.

Oh those silly Dodger fans and their stabbing shenanigans.
posted by furiousxgeorge at 8:57 PM on April 16, 2010 [1 favorite]

Free hotdogs!
posted by srboisvert at 3:42 AM on April 17, 2010

Maybe you should all visit some lower league European football games for perspective on awful fan behaviour.
posted by ts;dr at 5:34 AM on April 17, 2010

three trespassers, two disorderly conductors, one public urinator

And a D-cell in a pear treeeee
posted by DecemberBoy at 7:12 AM on April 17, 2010

furiousxgeorge, you are replying a lot in this thread. I'm honestly not trying to take any sides on whatever the issue is, because frankly I haven't read too many of the comments. All I am saying is, scrolling down I've seen your name a lot, and in previous experiences on MeFi this usually ends up badly for the commenter.
posted by Civil_Disobedient at 8:27 AM on April 17, 2010 [1 favorite]

I'd also like to add, if I'm totally off-base, I apologize.
posted by Civil_Disobedient at 8:28 AM on April 17, 2010

All I am saying is, scrolling down I've seen your name a lot, and in previous experiences on MeFi this usually ends up badly for the commenter.

Meh.
posted by furiousxgeorge at 8:46 AM on April 17, 2010

The problem isn't Philly.

It's sports.
posted by fourcheesemac at 7:53 AM on April 18, 2010

Have other draft picks ever gotten booed?

Lots of them, for lots of teams. That is such a non-story.

Adam Eaton got booed because he did nothing to deserve his World Series ring. He was being paid $9 million NOT to play because he was so awful. He was dropped by the team so that he wouldn't screw up the Phils' pennant race. It's not a classy move to show up to claim a ring you didn't earn, hence the booing.

Santa Claus didn't get booed, because there's no such thing as Santa Claus.

Seriously, the Philly sports fans meme is just fodder for lazy sportswriters. This kind of behavior is common in many cities with passionate sports fanbases.

Just ask Cleveland Indians fans about the Ten Cent Beer riot.

Or Dodgers fans about who getting shot at the game.

Or Yankess fans about the "Why Are You Gay" chant at Yankees Stadium.

Or Boston fans about attacking Gary Sheffield on the field.

Or Chicago fans about throwing beer at players on the field, or forcing an unpopular (and admittedly stupid) fellow fan to go into hiding after receiving death threats, or attacking an umpire on the field, or attacking a coach on the field.

Or any hockey, rugby or soccer fan from any other country in the world, where bad fan behavior is commonplace and on a scale far beyond what we experience here in the States.
posted by snottydick at 8:49 AM on April 18, 2010 [2 favorites]

This incident at the Phillies game might be an extreme occurrence; but, I think it is indicative of the lack of respect in our culture. Before 2009 I lived in Japan for five years... you would never hear of such a thing there, especially at a baseball game... I moved back from Japan to Cherry Hill NJ, the same town were Mathew Clemmens - the guy that made himself vomit on the police captain and his daughter at a Phillies game. I grew up playing baseball in this area and I am a big Phillies fan. This story resonates on a personal level with thousands of fans and families in the Philadelphia and New Jersey area like mine. Coming home from Japan, I could not wait to take my kids to a Phillies game at ">Citizens Bank Park and relive those nostalgic baseball games of my youth... In these economic times it is hard to carve out a little time in our schedule to share with our children at a baseball game. I am nervous to have them out at public venues at all anymore... You only have to look in the paper the local paper to realize these are not freak happenings in a rundown inner city...; it is a sign of the times. The deterioration of American values is robbing our country on an exponential scale...
posted by justinimages at 5:25 PM on April 18, 2010 [1 favorite]

I'm glad I grew up in STL...the only people we despise are people from Chicago...but there is very little fisticuffs considering that STL is one of the more dangerously violent cities in America.

Go Cards!
posted by schyler523 at 6:46 PM on April 18, 2010

Have other draft picks ever gotten booed?

For the record the fans in Philly booed the selection of McNabb because they wanted the Eagles to pick running back Ricky Williams at #2. Mike Ditka then traded his entire draft plus a first and third round pick the following year (a completely INSANE amount of picks) for the right to move up and select Williams at #5. Williams then proceeded to put up outstanding numbers but failed several drug tests (weed and something else, not steroids) was suspended for an entire season, retired after 5 years, was diagnosed with clinical depression and social anxiety disorder, and traveled to India to study holistic medicine (a really interesting story). He recently came back to football and has had a couple of good seasons with the Dolphins. McNabb, on the other hand, brought his team to 5 NFC championships (4 in a row), puked in the Super Bowl and smiles a lot after bad plays. You take your pick.
posted by nathancaswell at 6:57 PM on April 18, 2010

I'm glad I grew up in STL...the only people we despise are people from Chicago...but there is very little fisticuffs considering that STL is one of the more dangerously violent cities in America.

No shortage of idiots in STL either.

Also, can we talk about how strange this is?
posted by snottydick at 9:16 AM on April 19, 2010

Once my dad's friend threw up on his (my dad's) date's beehive hairdo at a party in high school.

Dad implied it was kind of like seeing a member of the B-52s with frosting dripping down their head.
posted by bitter-girl.com at 10:55 AM on April 19, 2010

It's best to go right to security,

Of course, he did go to security. And this nutcase objected to having some righteous fun-loving all-american sports fans thrown out, and so continued the hooliganism?
posted by jacalata at 6:34 PM on April 19, 2010