It's back.

July 17, 2010 6:48 PM

At last: The 11th Annual Gathering of the Juggalos (SO NSFW). (slyt)
posted by kittens for breakfast (124 comments total)

FINALLY! Right?
posted by Navelgazer at 6:52 PM on July 17, 2010 [3 favorites]

Bla bla bla magnets.
posted by PostIronyIsNotaMyth at 6:54 PM on July 17, 2010 [1 favorite]

I like that there's more diversity in the caddy than in any of the crowd shots. Not to mention the black guy randomly throwing up dubs... uh, I guess just because, right?

The Big Money Rustlas preview near the end is comedy gold.
posted by yeloson at 6:58 PM on July 17, 2010

As I clicked this link and unmuted my speakers, I was met with the sound of applause and a gentleman back announcing the conclusion of a symphony from Ralph Vaughn Williams. I had forgotten that I had been listening to the local classical station, of course, but for the briefest of moments I enjoyed the happy illusion that ICP had somehow convinced the London Symphony Orchestra to open for them.
posted by vverse23 at 7:08 PM on July 17, 2010 [27 favorites]

The YouTube flash ad servers tried hard, but I'm not sure Custom ICP standards: create element blends for ICP and ICP-MS is going to hold much appeal for metalheads in clown makeup.

Maybe they could use it to analyze all that facepaint for toxic contaminants?
posted by 7-7 at 7:09 PM on July 17, 2010 [1 favorite]

Damn, did I really just watch that whole thing?
posted by mollymayhem at 7:10 PM on July 17, 2010 [2 favorites]

Also, I kinda want to see Big Money Rustlas now.
posted by mollymayhem at 7:11 PM on July 17, 2010 [3 favorites]

"Somebody ordered the London Symphony Orchestra... Possibly while decrying all science and rational thought... ICP, I'm looking in your direction..."
posted by Navelgazer at 7:14 PM on July 17, 2010 [7 favorites]

Is it just me or they kind of made it easier for Amy Poehler to parody it this time? Ponytail girl in the car looks just like her.
posted by qvantamon at 7:14 PM on July 17, 2010 [1 favorite]

s/ponytail/pigtail
posted by qvantamon at 7:16 PM on July 17, 2010

Previously.
posted by jquinby at 7:16 PM on July 17, 2010

Am I the only one getting kinda scared about how mainstream this is becoming?
posted by Drainage! at 7:17 PM on July 17, 2010 [1 favorite]

Gallagher!!!
posted by (Arsenio) Hall and (Warren) Oates at 7:19 PM on July 17, 2010

Can we, perhaps, agree to leave juggalo coverage to the hipsters at BoingBoing? They actually take this shit seriously.
posted by Thorzdad at 7:20 PM on July 17, 2010 [1 favorite]

I want camraderey!!1!
posted by benzenedream at 7:20 PM on July 17, 2010

Wait, when did Tila Tequila become a Juggalo?
posted by qvantamon at 7:20 PM on July 17, 2010

You and your jugallo obsession...
posted by Artw at 7:22 PM on July 17, 2010 [1 favorite]

Tila Tequila and Gallagher? Almost an anti-singularity. What? Is this stuff designed by a couple of insane clow...

Never mind.
posted by tyllwin at 7:23 PM on July 17, 2010 [6 favorites]

Nuke it from space. It's the only way to be sure to get them all.
posted by msbutah at 7:24 PM on July 17, 2010 [2 favorites]

GALLAGHER MOTHERFUCKKKKKAZZZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
posted by Senor Cardgage at 7:25 PM on July 17, 2010 [1 favorite]

MOTHERFUCKAZ, GALLAGHER!
posted by Senor Cardgage at 7:25 PM on July 17, 2010 [1 favorite]

It goes on and on, well over 100 different brands of underground freshness.
posted by fatllama at 7:26 PM on July 17, 2010 [1 favorite]

GALLAGHER MOTHERFUCKERS!!!!!!!!!!!!
posted by Senor Cardgage at 7:26 PM on July 17, 2010 [1 favorite]

That girl in the car is a very big fan of both hip hop and the Rap music.
posted by Senor Cardgage at 7:27 PM on July 17, 2010 [2 favorites]

GOD DAMN IT MUTHAFUKKKAZZZZ, GALL! A! GHER!
posted by Senor Cardgage at 7:28 PM on July 17, 2010 [1 favorite]

Seminars. SEMINARS! I'm actually curious as to what kind of seminars they would have?
posted by hot_monster at 7:28 PM on July 17, 2010 [3 favorites]

kittens for breakfast: At last: The 11th Annual Gathering of the Juggalos (SO NSFW). (slyt)

The one that hasn't happened yet? That's in August? So we're all snarking on the 18-minute infomercial? Not that it's the first time we've done that, but let's just clarify the snark subject ...
posted by WCityMike at 7:28 PM on July 17, 2010

Holy shiat! If you stopped before the end, seek to 15:00. Juggalo spaghetti western!
posted by qvantamon at 7:30 PM on July 17, 2010 [1 favorite]

The one that hasn't happened yet? That's in August? So we're all snarking on the 18-minute infomercial? Not that it's the first time we've done that, but let's just clarify the snark subject ...

Well, I wanted to make sure everyone knew about it so they'd have time to make plans.
posted by kittens for breakfast at 7:30 PM on July 17, 2010 [6 favorites]

I will click my own favorites myself, ninjaz
posted by Senor Cardgage at 7:31 PM on July 17, 2010 [3 favorites]

We need lead time on the orbital lasers.
posted by Artw at 7:31 PM on July 17, 2010 [1 favorite]

Seminars?
posted by Cyrano at 7:31 PM on July 17, 2010

Are we really going to do this every year?
Speaking of Juggalos, I see a whole lot of those "running-with-butcher-knife-man" stickers in the rear windows of broke ass Civics and Rangers the NC mountains.
posted by NoMich at 7:32 PM on July 17, 2010

So........ mefi meetup?
posted by y6y6y6 at 7:33 PM on July 17, 2010 [12 favorites]

At 13:00, Todd Bridges will be wrestling?!
posted by Mid at 7:34 PM on July 17, 2010

Nothing sounds more like black people talking than white people that have only heard black people talking in movies about black people in gangs.
posted by Senor Cardgage at 7:34 PM on July 17, 2010 [1 favorite]

We need to convince somebody out of the loop that this is that Tea Party thing they've heard so much about.
posted by Artw at 7:40 PM on July 17, 2010 [9 favorites]

I will click my own favorites myself, ninjaz
posted by Senor Cardgage at 7:31 PM on July 17 [1 favorite +] [!]

FUCKIN FAVORITES, HOW DO THEY WORK?
posted by Avenger at 7:42 PM on July 17, 2010 [15 favorites]

You want bathrooms? Oh, we've got bathrooms! They're called... YOUR PANTS!!
posted by emelenjr at 7:45 PM on July 17, 2010 [2 favorites]

Tom Green? Method Man and Redman? It's like some kind of weird time warp where 1997 never ended.
posted by fryman at 7:51 PM on July 17, 2010 [3 favorites]

Am I the only one getting kinda scared about how mainstream this is becoming?

Nah. In Please Kill Me, Iggy Pop describes the Stooges earliest fans as "the ugliest chicks and the most illiterate guys--people with skin problems, people with sexual problems, weight, employment problems, mental problems ..." When I read this again the other day, I immediately thought of the Juggalos. Now Iggy and the Stooges are Hall of Famers. I giggle at "Fucking magnets, how do they work?" like everyone else, but Juggalos aren't anything new in rock n' roll culture.
posted by octobersurprise at 7:52 PM on July 17, 2010 [1 favorite]

Holy shiat! If you stopped before the end, seek to 15:00. Juggalo spaghetti western!

Insane Clown Posse on horseback? I think I need a unicorn chaser.
posted by MonkeyToes at 7:53 PM on July 17, 2010

Seminars? Did they say there are seminars......On what....magnetism and other basic science subjects?
posted by gigbutt at 7:55 PM on July 17, 2010 [1 favorite]

NOT NOTABLE
posted by tehloki at 7:55 PM on July 17, 2010

The US Army seriously needs to set up a booth at this thing. It's like a gang that presses itself!
posted by TheWhiteSkull at 8:00 PM on July 17, 2010 [8 favorites]

From the event website FAQs...

YOU MAY NOT SLEEP IN YOUR CAR WITH THE WINDOWS ROLLED UP.
posted by davebush at 8:02 PM on July 17, 2010

We got the mothafuckin' Stone Cold Creamery Hustlahs, we got Doughboy the spastic colon, we got spice 8 and his bristly fat dude mouth circling goatee, You know we rollin with Tepid Mike and the west 6th street 4xl throwback jersey dong manglers. we wrestlin on a 3 by 6 plastic table Terrance boosted from K-Mart. We got so much fuckin' terrible pineapple soda, we guarantee at least one girl you knocked up right after you got kicked out of the army. You want muffin tops? You in fuckin' luck ninja, we got pretty much nothin' but muffin tops in here. You like staph infections? Check out the porta-pottys, damn son we shitting indoors this year!

You hear we got Gallagher? We didn't even try to book him, he just showed up. He's the original Gallagher too, not that other one. (I know son, I'm still totally bugged out there are two Gallaghers), Man Tom Green is hella bloated y'all.! Oh also some pretty famous regular rappers, weird huh?

That movie actually looks pretty good, just the right amount of pimp slaps.

No haphazard stack of cargo pallets bonfire this year though, liability issues Ninja, hells yeah!
posted by Divine_Wino at 8:06 PM on July 17, 2010 [16 favorites]

It's sad that my cynicism-soaked mind cannot wrap my head around how completely unselfconsciously DJ Clay is able to utter this line: "Shit, man, I can't wait. You know myself, along with Dayton Family and the Axe Murder Boyz are throwing a Hatchet House bubble foam party. It's about to be off the chain."

I wish I had enough joy in my bitter shell of a soul to enjoy anything as much as these people seem to enjoy what looks like an elephant graveyard of early to mid-nineties rap acts (I mean, Lil' Kim? Coolio? Shit, I didn't even think Warren G was still alive.), washed up comedians, and midget wrestling.
posted by fryman at 8:09 PM on July 17, 2010 [4 favorites]

I couldn't turn it off and ended up watching the whole thing. And now I kinda want to go.

I mean, Tone Loc! and Gallagher!
posted by bondcliff at 8:12 PM on July 17, 2010 [2 favorites]

the FAQ says all the alcohol you want but no kegs and no glass

so i'm hoping illinois highway patrol keeps a sharp eye out for air matresses full of everclear stacked up in the back of pickup trucks
posted by Hammond Rye at 8:18 PM on July 17, 2010 [2 favorites]

I think I just lost all respect for Ron Jeremy :(
posted by symbioid at 8:21 PM on July 17, 2010

this article explains how Gallagher fits into the Juggalo world.
posted by symbioid at 8:23 PM on July 17, 2010 [1 favorite]

Dammit, this Juggalo shit annoys the hell out of me. Why the hell didn't GWAR develop this kind of following? I totally would have gone to the 11th Annual Gathering of Pit Slaves. I want this to happen if only to see Gallagher being smashed to bits like a watermelon by GWAR.
posted by Cat Pie Hurts at 8:31 PM on July 17, 2010 [5 favorites]

Maybe you GWAR people should have been more desperate to belong to something.
posted by Senor Cardgage at 8:40 PM on July 17, 2010 [6 favorites]

"We need to convince somebody out of the loop that this is that Tea Party thing they've heard so much about."

Well, they will have that hateful racist shitbag Gallagher.

On the other hand- Tone Loc? Above The Law? I kinda wanna go now.

Where do I buy greasepaint futures?
posted by phearlez at 9:03 PM on July 17, 2010

Did Waffle House authorize their brand to be used in this thing?

Listen to their shitty music, and then eat our shitty food.
posted by mazniak at 9:19 PM on July 17, 2010

11th annual gathering of the Juggalos... This year is Metafilter's 11th anniversary...

COINCIDENCE??
posted by desjardins at 9:21 PM on July 17, 2010 [2 favorites]

If I ever write a science fiction novel there will be Neo-Juggalo-Vodoun-Confucians in 3000AD. Put on the greasepaint before you get your head frozen and you could be their high priest.
posted by XMLicious at 9:29 PM on July 17, 2010 [1 favorite]

I want to see DJ Clay and Sugar Slam introduce Jonathan Coulton at one of his shows.

"That song about algorithms was OFF THE HOOK, yo. Whoop whoop!"
posted by spinifex23 at 9:36 PM on July 17, 2010

Every mention of Gallagher deserves a link to this comment.
posted by roll truck roll at 9:46 PM on July 17, 2010 [1 favorite]

Big Money Rustlas would, by general clothing styles (brocade waistcoats, bowler hats), appear to be set post-1849, if not postbellum altogether. Not the 1837 date the trailer suggests. Even when making allowances for anachronisms like ICP facepaint an fuckin' AK-motherfuckin-47s.
posted by bendybendy at 9:51 PM on July 17, 2010 [1 favorite]

Holy Christ, I watched it. I think I'd be disturbed if I wasn't already on so many drugs.
posted by Jim Slade at 9:53 PM on July 17, 2010 [1 favorite]

I wish I could make it...I'm only 5 hours away! [Attendance only ironicly awesome.]
posted by schyler523 at 10:08 PM on July 17, 2010

Oh! Oh man. (My parents are ex-pats - I am mostly pretty American, but occasionally I will have moments of extreme cultural tone-deafness. Just in my defense.)

So. About ten years ago I flipped on the TV one afternoon and watched about five minutes of what I believed to be a mockumentary about the imaginary "juggalo" subculture. It was pretty good. Calling the fake band "Insane Clown Posse" seemed to me to be hitting the joke too hard, but on the other hand, the writers had invented a fake soft drink for the juggalos to be obsessed with. Hilarious!

And. I don't know. I guess that this whole time, whenever I heard anything about this, I thought it was... fans of the mockumentary? Like crazed Christopher Guest groupies? I never actually read the articles or anything. I just assumed it was like people dressing up to go see Hedwig and the Angry Inch or something.

...
posted by thehmsbeagle at 10:23 PM on July 17, 2010 [21 favorites]

Man, did anyone else notice that gallager was going to be there? I guess he's not going to do his "new" stuff about how he hates people with sagging pants and backwards baseball caps.
posted by delmoi at 10:25 PM on July 17, 2010

Flashlight wrestling sounds stupidly awesome.
posted by rosswald at 10:45 PM on July 17, 2010 [2 favorites]

I saw the parody before I knew what it was a parody of.

RIP, Ass Dan.
posted by not_on_display at 10:47 PM on July 17, 2010 [2 favorites]

Jonathan Coulton plays on Saturday. See y'all there.
posted by sanko at 11:10 PM on July 17, 2010

A decade ago, I'd see this juggalo stuff and think, "Who ARE these people, where do they live, what do they do for work, etc."

Now, I'm pretty much convinced 90% of the people I come across are juggalos. (Yes, I live on the distant edge of a vast depressed metropolis ... you know, America.)
posted by kenlayne at 11:43 PM on July 17, 2010 [1 favorite]

On the other hand- Tone Loc? Above The Law? I kinda wanna go now.

Naughty By Nature? Brotha Lynch Hung? Spice 1? Okay, I'm really curious because they mention "performing live" before some names, but does that mean that some of these people aren't going to be "live"? What are they going to do? Have a guy walk to centerstage, announce "Lil Kim!", set down his boombox, throw in a tape, press play and turn up the volume before he walks off?
posted by P.o.B. at 12:45 AM on July 18, 2010

The Metafilter War Against People Having Fun continues apace.
posted by Evilspork at 1:42 AM on July 18, 2010 [5 favorites]

Is this a real thing? I don't understand.
posted by Meatbomb at 2:02 AM on July 18, 2010

"And if you like midgets, we got midgets for you!"
posted by Gilbert at 2:35 AM on July 18, 2010

And if you like midgets,

Waddya mean 'if'?
posted by fearfulsymmetry at 2:52 AM on July 18, 2010

And I've definitely got a crush on Sugar Slam... I think it was watching too much Duke's of Hazard at a vulnerable age...
posted by fearfulsymmetry at 2:59 AM on July 18, 2010

Ah, sweet Youtube comments, you never let me down...

Gathering of the Washed Up Rappers!

Lol pause at 0:41. They spelled camaraderie "comradery" lol.

These guys are incredibly full of shit! I listened to these fucks for years, know all the lyrics to everyone of their albums, and went to many gatherings. First of all, they sign autographs for about 2 minutes... no joke. None of the ATMs worked the last time. A bag of ice was 8 bucks. They only play one set each and the rest of the time, you sweat your balls off.
They are targeting white suburb kids because they know that demigraphic has the most money to spend because they haven't moved out of their mommy's house yet. That is why it's right before school starts. Nobody got laid, the sound system sucked, the merchandise for sale was almost nothing, and alot of people got their cars broken into.
They are targeting white suburb kids because they know that demigraphic has the most money to spend because they haven't moved out of their mommy's house yet. That is why it's right before school starts. Nobody got laid, the sound system sucked, the merchandise for sale was almost nothing, and alot of people got their cars broken into.
posted by fearfulsymmetry at 3:24 AM on July 18, 2010

I should stop but... "The Alfred Hitchcock of hip-hop." ?!
posted by fearfulsymmetry at 3:44 AM on July 18, 2010 [1 favorite]

Man, did anyone else notice that gallager was going to be there?

(checks comments)

Nope. Looks like you're the first.
posted by (Arsenio) Hall and (Warren) Oates at 4:00 AM on July 18, 2010

> what I believed to be a mockumentary

You know. I thought the whole ICP & juggalos thing was real, but then I saw this "infomercial"... and now I'm not so sure anymore. Those three in the car...

Words fail me.
posted by bjrn at 4:22 AM on July 18, 2010

Remember, half of the acts are there to be run off the stage by an angry mob throwing things at them. Gallagher's almost certain to be on the wrong end of smashed-food prop comedy.
posted by Slap*Happy at 6:01 AM on July 18, 2010 [1 favorite]

I could really go for some jug Gallo right about now.
posted by box at 7:29 AM on July 18, 2010 [2 favorites]

This one was way lower on the unintentional comedy scale, but I had to watch the whole thing because, at this point, I'm genuinely curious about the goings-on at the next Gathering.

And a propos to nothing: 1) Sugar Slam is Violent J's wife, and 2) Violent J's excellent autobiography Behind the Paint begins, "Outside of my mom's neden, the first thing I remember is my real dad, Richard Bruce, building a haunted house in our basement. I must have been two years old at the time. My brother, Rob, my sister, Theresa, and I explored all through the haunted house, which he had built out of blankets and shit like that."
posted by NolanRyanHatesMatches at 7:36 AM on July 18, 2010 [1 favorite]

Gallagher! Ron Jeremy! Oh man, this gets better and better.

And am I alone in thinking that Tech N9ne actually looks/sounds pretty interesting?
posted by jbickers at 7:45 AM on July 18, 2010

Are there any girls there? If there are any girls there I want to DO them!
posted by NoraReed at 9:25 AM on July 18, 2010 [4 favorites]

Gallagher's almost certain to be on the wrong end of smashed-food prop comedy.

God dammnit now yer making me respect them.
posted by The Whelk at 9:26 AM on July 18, 2010

I see a whole lot of those "running-with-butcher-knife-man" stickers in the rear windows of broke ass Civics and Rangers the NC mountains.

They actually call him HATCHET Man.

Bladed weapons: how do they work?
posted by Threeway Handshake at 10:11 AM on July 18, 2010

I have no problem with Juggalos but listening to those three in the car was excruciating. Anyone else think that Tila Tequila will fit in just fine?

Ron Jeremy, he has the best dick jokes.
posted by Splunge at 10:20 AM on July 18, 2010

Well, I dunno if I agree with all the god shit, but The Dark Carnival is an interesting thing. For one thing, they've accomplished a hell of a lot more than I ever will. Secondly they've made their own mythos, and finally (assuming the entry is correct and not just made to sugarcoat their actions/beliefs/lyrics), making a mythos to help encourage kids on the lower end of the spectrum to oppose bigotry and domestic violence and such. Yeah, I guess it's classist of me to assume that "they need to hear this"...

But you know what, everyone needs to hear this shit, and if these kids can hear it in a language they can grok, then good for ICP. Hearing preaching from some stuffy white dude doesn't help when it seems to come from "the man". But if it comes from within, then good on 'em.

Not that I really like everything, but I'm fascinated by their culture. I mean, honestly? Maybe it's just cuz I've seen punk and goth and hip-hop (in general) and we all sorta know what that is, but this is a really truly underground culture that has it's own world. You could say the same for any of the other cultures, and maybe it's because I've been exposed to those. But I think the ICP phenomenon is a little different, because it's some sort of unifying force that those other musical subcultures don't seem to do as much (i.e. the mythos bit).

They're like "Fuck the concept album, we've got a concept life".
posted by symbioid at 10:59 AM on July 18, 2010 [4 favorites]

Wow, symbioid, that link is fascinating. I had no idea they had religious motivations.
posted by desjardins at 11:10 AM on July 18, 2010 [1 favorite]

I had no idea they had religious motivations.

What? I guess I wasn't surprised as everyone else at their recent single because I had heard all about this from a fan years ago, but I thought it was kind of obvious. The "magnet" song? It's called Miracles. The whole subtext of that song is that God-power is making everything work, not that fucking bullshit science.
posted by P.o.B. at 12:35 PM on July 18, 2010

Why do I get this feeling that in a thousand years there is gonna be a holy war between the Church Of Latter Day Vampires and The Holy Juggalo Empire?
posted by The Whelk at 12:43 PM on July 18, 2010 [7 favorites]

The whole subtext of that song is that God-power is making everything work, not that fucking bullshit science.

No, not really. The science line was a throwaway, not to be taken seriously and completely incidental to the rest of the song. It's probably meant to be taken in the opposite manner - "These science dudes are so smart, the explanations will make you think they're lying!"

The subtext of the song is that life is miraculous and worthy of consideration and appreciation. This isn't to say it's a good song, because it's really, really, really not - but it's not a science-vs-god song, nor is that a part of their message. If it were, Stephen Hawking would be killed with an axe in graphic detail, not accused of fibbing.
posted by Slap*Happy at 5:02 PM on July 18, 2010

The science line was a throwaway, not to be taken seriously and completely incidental to the rest of the song. It's probably meant to be taken in the opposite manner -"These science dudes are so smart, the explanations will make you think they're lying!"

Ehhhh, not buying it.

The subtext of the song is that life is miraculous and worthy of consideration and appreciation. ...but it's not a science-vs-god song, nor is that a part of their message.

That's a weird reading considering they fully admit to the underlying messages in their songs. I'm not saying it's a firm science vs god thing but it isn't hard to see that the subtext of the song is religious.
posted by P.o.B. at 5:36 PM on July 18, 2010

Seminars available at the 11th Annual Gathering of the Juggalos--

Intro to Hatchet Cleaning and Maintenance
Advanced Face Paint Application, Part 2: Shapes and Colors in This Bitch
Neden Spelunking Technique: Exploring Her Bat-Cave
Midget Appreciation, Yo
Miracle Appreciation, Bro
Sugar Slam's Liver Jam- Faygo as Drink Mixer
Ninja Wrestling Moves for Beginners- The Texas Leg Thing
Appropriation and Co-option of African American Culture: The Ninja's Burden
posted by haveanicesummer at 6:02 PM on July 18, 2010 [2 favorites]

So, the ICP found Jesus recently, right? And they're having "seminars" at this 4-day-long festival you're stuck at in some National Park, right? And the after-hours highlight is going to be Flashlight Wrestling and a "Hatchet House bubble foam party", right?

Tell me this isn't some evangelical hoodwink.
posted by mkultra at 7:41 PM on July 18, 2010 [1 favorite]

"Dammit, this Juggalo shit annoys the hell out of me. Why the hell didn't GWAR develop this kind of following? I totally would have gone to the 11th Annual Gathering of Pit Slaves. I want this to happen if only to see Gallagher being smashed to bits like a watermelon by GWAR."

GWAR, if I remember correctly, was formed as a result of some sort of slightly cynical college project (either art project or business school class project, I'm not sure which. Probably both.). The whole point of GWAR is that we're all in on the joke. ICP is not a joke, or at least, was not CONCEIVED of as a joke. Underneath the clown make up and Fay-go, there's an authenticity to the ICP and the juggalos that is lacking in GWAR and their fans. GWAR is ridiculously unbelievable. ICP is unbelievebly REAL.

And as far as Gallagher goes:

"Fuckin' Mallets, How Do They Work?!"
posted by KingEdRa at 3:47 AM on July 19, 2010 [1 favorite]

Well I don't think it's "Jesus" just cuz it's about god. I mean maybe it is? But I have a feeling it's more of a generic conception of god and heaven/hell than any specific christian ideology. I might be wrong, but I don't see anything specifically christian - just a generic "god" being mentioned - you know "heaven hell exist, do good to get into heaven, or go to hell" grace through works and self-purification, not of faith (to invert Paul).
posted by symbioid at 8:28 AM on July 19, 2010

Wait, how do you kill the Dark Carnival?

As promised!

That being said, juggalo threads never get old.
posted by norm at 9:01 AM on July 19, 2010

Yeah, it's definitely not an evangelical hoodwink, as much as some people might love that narrative.

It's also off-bordering-on-bizarre how much negative attention that "Miracles" song has gotten. I suspect that that has more to do with the unironic use of the word "miracles" than with the "motherfuckers lying" line.
posted by roll truck roll at 9:40 AM on July 19, 2010

Andrew WK at the GOTJ 2008 (this is really a great watch).

Coolio's new tattoo.

Juggalo funeral (again). (obligatory). (Jesus).
posted by norm at 9:45 AM on July 19, 2010

I MENT TO SPELL IT LIKE THAT
posted by (Arsenio) Hall and (Warren) Oates at 9:48 AM on July 19, 2010

You just know that there is going to be all sorts of motherfuckin hepatitis up in this bitch!
posted by BobbyDigital at 11:15 AM on July 19, 2010

Juggalo funeral (again). (obligatory). (Jesus).

Mocking people for finding whatever meaning and solace they can in the loss of a child is pretty much the height of douchetacular.
posted by phearlez at 12:40 PM on July 19, 2010 [2 favorites]

phearlez: "Mocking people for finding whatever meaning and solace they can in the loss of a child is pretty much the height of douchetacular."

We've talked about this on Metafilter before. I said basically the same thing and someone else pointed out that this particular jugalette was a spectacularly bad mom.

Even so, I'm pretty firmly in the Don't Point and Laugh at Parents Grieving Their Dead Children camp.
posted by roll truck roll at 12:51 PM on July 19, 2010

If you can't see the appeal of this completely silly amalgamation of pop culture jetsam that permeates this festival then there's just no hope for your sense of the absurd. I'm well past my juggalo freshness date but if I were a much younger man, my ninja ass would totally be there.
posted by Fezboy! at 1:57 PM on July 19, 2010 [1 favorite]

I'm willing to judge people based on their admiration of repugnant things. Maybe ICP qualifies; I don't have that sense but maybe there's content I'm unaware of.

I can imagine feeling disdain for mourners who were aggressively complicit in the death of someone they lost. Certainly the description in that link is repugnant and that child deserved better.

None of that comes through in that linked page, however. It just looks like "hey look at the losers and their dead kid. Kid's probably better off."

Someone certainly comes across loathsome when that link is shared but it's not the people standing by the coffin.
posted by phearlez at 2:01 PM on July 19, 2010 [1 favorite]

Yeah, it's definitely not an evangelical hoodwink, as much as some people might love that narrative.

I guess this song is fake?

Thirty seconds of googling isn't hard people.
posted by P.o.B. at 4:46 PM on July 19, 2010

I should have linked here? (no, probably). yeah, it was shorthand for the previous discussion and lulz.

I guess I have a decency blindspot for juggalos.
posted by norm at 5:02 PM on July 19, 2010

Yeah, I know that song. As has already been discussed in this thread, their whole "dark carnival" mythology is a big heaven-and-hell morality play. That song was the culmination of a narrative they were building for like ten years.

But to say that that makes their festival an evangelical crusade is way off-base. Creepy youth-group leaders love it when they think they've found a Christian trojan horse. But really, Christian trojan horses mainly don't exist.

Good job being mean though! You did great at making me feel bad.
posted by roll truck roll at 5:37 PM on July 19, 2010

But to say that that makes their festival an evangelical crusade is way off-base.

I didn't say their festival was an evangelical crusade (so maybe you were directing that at another comment), I've only maintained that their music is an aegis for their (psuedo) Christian beliefs. They've outright said as much. So I'm not sure whether you are saying it's true or otherwise but if not than that would explicitly contradict what ICP has said.

I think the Miracles song has gotten so much attention due to it's apparently discordant representation of ideas, but I think ICP is incongruent through and through. Which probably only adds to the reason why so many people don't think they actually have a "religious message".

I mean we aren't talking about some bodhisattvas here.

P.S. I apologize if you felt bad. Cheer up! There's miracles everywhere...like magnets!!!
posted by P.o.B. at 6:30 PM on July 19, 2010

I mean we aren't talking about some bodhisattvas here.

So much for my plan to seek enlightenment from the Bodhisattva of Straight Up Psychopathic Dirty Clown Love WHUT?- STRAIGHT UP DIRTY CLOWN.
posted by KingEdRa at 8:11 PM on July 19, 2010 [1 favorite]

What is Christ's love, if not a hatchet in the dick?
posted by haveanicesummer at 9:47 PM on July 19, 2010 [3 favorites]

A 37-year old Corvallis, Oregon alcoholic was recently arrested for trying to hire a friend of hers, Jonathan Appelt, to kidnap and assault her husband. The TV news story said:

Appelt, who is tied to a gang that wears clown makeup, known as The Juggalos, has not been charged with a crime.
posted by msalt at 2:40 PM on July 21, 2010

Metafilter: Coming to regulate ninjas.
posted by fiercecupcake at 5:40 PM on July 22, 2010

Tila Tequila attacked by juggalos.

"She's pretty cut up," said a performer who saw the violence at the "Gathering of the Juggalos" in rural Hardin County, Illinois. The witness asked not to be identified so that he does not anger the juggalos.
posted by (Arsenio) Hall and (Warren) Oates at 8:24 AM on August 15, 2010

Holy shit.
posted by box at 8:45 AM on August 15, 2010

What the what?
posted by Artw at 9:14 AM on August 15, 2010

Woop! Woop!
posted by fearfulsymmetry at 11:56 AM on August 15, 2010

the Gathering of Juggalos concert - an annual festival of indy music and alternative or "underground" life that's best described as a rough version of Burning Man

No, not really.
posted by cj_ at 6:02 AM on August 16, 2010 [1 favorite]

As I posted to FB about this on saturday

"Let's not go all "noble savage" here people. YES juggalos tend to come from broken homes. YES they are victims of negative socioeconomic trends. And YES they gravitate to a subculture that acts as surrogate family. AND ALSO they are by and large vile fucking dipshits. Being a victim doesn't give you license nor lionization to be fucking reprehensible assholes. Fuck the hicks."
posted by Senor Cardgage at 10:50 AM on August 16, 2010

I kind of liked Tom Green's mini-doc on his time at the Gathering. Obviously filmed before Ms. Tequila's unfortunate reception. I'm really looking forward to whatever footage there is of Gallagher getting his juggalo on.
posted by Shepherd at 12:49 PM on August 16, 2010

When Juggalos attack: A firsthand account of the Tila Tequila incident at the Gathering Of The Juggalos
posted by fearfulsymmetry at 1:03 PM on August 16, 2010 [4 favorites]

hot_monster: "Seminars. SEMINARS! I'm actually curious as to what kind of seminars they would have?"

I liked this explanation of the typical activities at this gathering:

• Watching greased up, middle aged men in spandex grapple with each other while dressed as a clown
• Listening to music performed by rappers dressed as clowns while dressed as a clown
• Buying merchandise to allow you to dress as a clown while dressed as a clown
• Taking drugs and drinking while dressed as a clown
• Littering the ground with bottles and syringes while dressed as a clown
• Sex while dressed as a clown

This is all tricky stuff and doubtless needs plenty of seminars to get it right.
posted by meehawl at 1:28 PM on August 16, 2010

Apparently Gallagher had a good time.
posted by Artw at 1:39 PM on August 16, 2010