The Church of Rome; organisation and state is like an octupus whose cancerous tentacles invade into the lifes of ordinary people worldwideThis is shockingly close to Mussolini, biographer Denis Mack Smith writes of Mussolini's view that: "the papacy was a malignant tumor in the body of Italy and must 'be rooted out once and for all'". When he's picked the same metaphor as Il Duce for the Catholic Church endorsed "direct action" and described his personal views with violent metaphors: "Me: - Last king, last priest strangulation, entrails etc."
“The Pope’s voice is extremely important,” Levy told Spanish newspaper ABC this week. “And we are very unjust to this Pope. I am not Catholic, but I think there is prejudice and especially major anti-clericalism that is taking on enormous proportions in Europe.”posted by Jahaza at 2:24 PM on September 26, 2010
“In France there is much talk about the desecrations of Jewish and Muslim cemeteries, but nobody knows that the tombs of Catholics are continually desecrated,” he added. “There is a sort of anti-clericalism in France that is not healthy at all. We have the right to criticize religions, but the most attacked religion today is the Catholic religion.”
The recent developments have actually caused me to strengthen my religion as I believe it is under attack. While the actions of these priests and supervisors are deplorable and should be punished by the law, these priests represent a very small percentage of all Catholic priests throughout the world. ... I, along with most Catholics I'm sure, will not waiver from our faith or religion. — Mike Lopez, Santa Maria, Calif.That blurred line will probably need to be more sharply defined by you if you're going to convince the Catholic faithful that it is possible to abandon their Church without shrugging off the religion entirely.
"By 2008, the U.S. church had "trained 5.8 million children to recognize and report abuse. It had run criminal checks on 1.53 million volunteers and employees, 162,700 educators, 51,000 clerics and 4,955 candidates for ordination. It had trained 1.8 million clergy, employees and volunteers in creating a safe environment for children."[72]"When other arguments (some of which have been brought up in this very thread,) such as the fact that similar scandals have cropped up in other religions, we talk about those honestly, too, although I only know how such scandals have been handled in the Jewish world - with a very mixed track record.
There is something to be said for consigning it to the trash bin and forgetting about it.What's very interesting about this case is that the group being defended, Legionaries of Christ, was founded as part of a Catholic insurgency against secular government in Mexico. It masquerades as a religious movement, but is in fact a political movement with theocratic aims.
The Church did bring justice, and did penalize this man. [They covered up his crimes for decades, then protected him so he could live out his last few years in quiet comfort, once the publicly available information got to be too much to deny]
Patrick Madrid, the orthodox Catholic blogger...warns that enemies of the Church will try to use this case to smear Pope John Paul II.
what can you do to an eighty-two-year-old priest who has been so successful in building a movement of renewal and is strongly supported and repeatedly praised by, among many others, Pope John Paul II? What you can try to do is to filch from him his good name.
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