The wikileak that sparked it.I don't know much about Tunisia, but just from that link, that claim seems pretty unlikely to me. It essentially seems to be saying that perhaps revealing to Tunisians that Tunisians think that the president's family is corrupt made Tunisians realize that Tunisians think that the president's family is corrupt.
The rush to dismiss the impact of wikileaks is pathetic really.Being the first person in this thread to have said something skeptical about the alleged role of Wikileaks in this matter, I'm not quite sure what to make of this.
I don't know much about Tunisia, but just from that link, that claim seems pretty unlikely to me. It essentially seems to be saying that perhaps revealing to Tunisians that Tunisians think that the president's family is corrupt made Tunisians realize that Tunisians think that the president's family is corrupt.Well, the cable didn't say that the average Tunisian thought that the administration was corrupt but rather that Senior U.S. diplomats thought the Ben Ali government was corrupt (as well as Transparency International). And here's the thing, even if you can say, "everyone knew" that doesn't necessarily mean that you could act on your suspicions. This isn't to say that Wikileaks was the prime mover, but it was one of the major issues.
Rumors and innuendo in black and white are still rumors and innuendo.Uh, no.
We'll take that Facebook password, please: It soon got much worse. The Committee to Protect Journalists said that its own research found that "the [state-run] Tunisian Internet Agency is harvesting passwords and usernames of bloggers, reporters, political activists, and protesters by injecting hidden JavaScript" into many popular site login pages.And the other thing -- it's one thing every one knows -- but it's another if everyone knows that everyone else knows.
This extended to sites like Facebook, where the main login page mysteriously had 10 additional lines of code inserted when it arrived at Tunisian computers. (Such code injection is technically simple using various pieces of deep packet inspection gear, and it was made easier by the fact that the Tunisian government would periodically block secure HTTPS connections.)
Suddenly realizing that *they* were Ben Ali's last line of defence, and not any foreign power, some among the higher ranks of the hierarchy must have immediately started hedging their bets, so as to get a chance of benefitting from the sacrifice of the many, rather than being swept asid> by it.
Well, the cable didn't say that the average Tunisian thought that the administration was corrupt but rather that Senior U.S. diplomats thought the Ben Ali government was corruptThe article linked to says no such thing; it's full of quotes from the cable like "provokes the ire of Tunisians" and "inspires outrage among Tunisians" and "Tunisians joke about the corruption" and "rumors about the corruption add fuel to the fire of unemployment, inflation, and conspicuous displays of wealth".
As much as I agree that the U.S. should not be on the side of Middle Eastern/North African autocrats, the idea that we can simply throw those same autocrats under the bus while simultaneously holding onto the notion that America is the provider of stability and security in the Middle East is untenable. The U.S. pact with the devil in the region is born directly from a set of U.S. interests in the region - the defense of Israel and the stability and security of oil exporters. If you want to junk the autocrats, as I think would be wise over the medium term, then you have to redefine America's role with respect to those interests.also to try and interject some western experialism, i thought clay shirky's appreciation of wikipedia on its 10-year anniversary (and the continuing democratization of authority) might be apropos:
"Tunisia is far different from most neighboring Arab countries. There is little Islamist fervor there, it has a large middle class, and under Mr. Ben Ali and his predecessor, Habib Bourguiba, it has invested heavily in education. Not only are women not required to cover their heads, they enjoy a spectrum of civil rights, including free contraception, that are well beyond those in most countries in the region."To repeat, there’s little “Islamist fervor” in Tunisia because Islamist fervor—something as benign as fasting in Ramadan—can land one in some very hot water. (Put that into perspective: imagine our government preventing folks from observing Lent.) But let’s not end there. Tunisia is also different from most neighboring Arab countries because, we are told, in Tunisia, “women [are] not required to cover their heads”.
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