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I'm not saying either are sound or particularly sincere. The latter was mostly to get Sanders folks into the fold and I haven't seen much about it since.
posted to MetaFilter by naju at 1:59 PM on September 13, 2016

The Democratic adoption of those points was paper thin and a ploy at the convention to unite the party. If it's substantial and has become a core part of Clinton's campaign then I'd be interested in links to her speeches to that effect.
posted to MetaFilter by naju at 1:53 PM on September 13, 2016

This is the grading on a curve. He's "acknowledging" it by blaming immigrants

naju has really gone out of his way to make clear that he is not defending Trump.

We can acknowledge that part of Trump's success has come from tapping into white folks' economic anxiety, while still believing that the way Trump is exploiting that anxiety is dangerous and indefensible.
posted to MetaFilter by escape from the potato planet at 1:51 PM on September 13, 2016

The "but Trump is awful" response to any criticism is a bit tiring. Yes, I know he's bad. We all know. I'm terrified. But some criticisms of the Democrats are allowed to exist regardless. Sorry, I'm moving on to other topics.
posted to MetaFilter by naju at 1:45 PM on September 13, 2016

"The end of the chart sort of falls down, however, because all of the events are essentially human-scale and have nothing to do with climate itself."

I think the point of all the human scale stuff is to illustrate that virtually all of human innovation from agriculture to writing to the internet has occurred within a very narrow band of stable temperatures. We have no idea what it will mean to be humans outside that narrow band. Maybe we... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Eyebrows McGee at 5:33 PM on September 12, 2016

"The group with negative income growth: people outside of metropolitan areas."

Rural Merica. Proportional to income; as costly or more costly than ATX. Groceries of any quality, or freshness; a ten dollar round trip or a 30% markup than from the distant medium-small city. Products of brand and availability? Best know how to Amazon or Ebay. Internet is still seen on TV, via a Dateline NBC or TrueCrime TV special; full of predators... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by buzzman at 8:17 AM on September 13, 2016

"Income gains across the board.
10th percentile +7.9% (ie poor)
Median +5.2%
90th percent +2.9%
95th percentile +3.7%"

One not so good area...

"The group with negative income growth: people outside of metropolitan areas."
posted to MetaFilter by chris24 at 7:36 AM on September 13, 2016

I'm less worried about Clinton winning than I am about vote splitting keeping congress controlled by Republicans.
posted to MetaFilter by PenDevil at 2:37 AM on September 13, 2016

Here are the polls I'm seeing, which look good for Clinton but don't seem like an absolute blowout (I'm not very well-versed though).

Reuters - "Polling aggregators, which calculate averages of major polls, have shown that Clinton’s lead has been shrinking for the past few weeks. Those averages put her advantage over Trump at between three and six percentage points. Some of the more recent individual polls, however, have the race even tighter.... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by naju at 2:32 AM on September 13, 2016

(Also 100% anecdotally, and thus admittedly fairly useless - I haven't polled anyone, but among my friends/associates whites have been the most enthusiastically pro-Clinton and also the most confident of her win; non-whites have been noticeably muted in comparison. I don't think any in my circles have acted that way, actually, and more than a few have been guarded and critical of her. I think there's a potential assumption to be made that since white people have seen horrifying racism come from... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by naju at 1:43 AM on September 13, 2016

overwhelming support from non-white voters.

Interesting NPR article - For Some Black Voters, 'Not Trump' Is The Number One Reason To Support Clinton

So far, she has a major advantage. Polls show Clinton consistently capturing upwards of 90 percent of support from African-Americans nationally. (Donald Trump is polling in the low single digits; as NPR's Sam Sanders has reported, his recent outreach to black voters is falling flat)... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by naju at 1:19 AM on September 13, 2016

Also this - "Generally speaking its very hard to excite all parts of the electorate equally" - is doubtless true, but I'm not sure alienating many young pro-Sanders progressives so thoroughly was very smart as far as these things go. Anyway, this ship has sailed, don't mean to get into it too deeply.
posted to MetaFilter by naju at 12:19 AM on September 13, 2016

I just think that it will likely be made up for among college educated white voters and other groups.

Well, this is what I meant by hubris. I think it's folly to assume this (OK, you're not assuming, you're thinking). Let's hope you're right.
posted to MetaFilter by naju at 12:11 AM on September 13, 2016

Yeah, thanks for explaining what millenials are, I'm aware :)
posted to MetaFilter by naju at 11:29 PM on September 12, 2016

I would take that bet. I expect it will be high among all demographics except 18-24 year olds.

I guess we can bookmark and revisit. A low millenial turnout could be disastrous. I'm amazed at the hubris of this thinking.
posted to MetaFilter by naju at 11:16 PM on September 12, 2016

More seriously, one of Clinton's most effective strategies was attacking Sanders via his supporters. It's interesting how that strategy does and doesn't work in the general.

Once you have made every last person who wasn't behind you your enemy, there isn't much time and space left for rebuilding bridges. We'll have to see how that goes in November.
posted to MetaFilter by a lungful of dragon at 11:14 PM on September 12, 2016

But the Rambo-is-a-hero person will see Donald Trump as the guy who was strong on TV, and the guy who says we're going to win and keep bad people away. I don't care where the hell you're from, supporting Donald Trump because "you're fired" and "he tells it like it is" and "he's strong" is the mark of a person who is not very bright — is, in fact, deeply confused and doesn't think very well.

Two things about... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by naju at 10:15 PM on September 12, 2016

Exactly. I did want to mention how educated/middle-class whites are a key part of Trump's base, and are likely just as racist if not more.

Doesn't surprise me one bit. There's been some talk in these threads about how education should make people less racist, or better at critical thinking. My experience has been that it can, but it's no guarantee.

A lot of people flip the other way: they use education to... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by mordax at 10:01 PM on September 12, 2016

Look, I don't feel 100% on what I'm about to write. It's kind of unpleasant and possibly wrong. But I think that there's a certain number of people who are ... kind of stupid. Or incurious. Or simple. And the world has become an unforgiving place for them. They'll never have very good jobs, they'll never be like the families in commercials. And this makes them angry. And maybe they were also kind of angry to begin with.

There's a culture of angry to belong to.... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by zennie at 10:00 PM on September 12, 2016

It remains to be seen how effective attacking Sanders' supporters was. It's still not one big happy party. I expect Democratic voter turnout to be low for just these reasons.
posted to MetaFilter by naju at 9:42 PM on September 12, 2016

It's amusing how many more calls for nuance, mutual understanding and sympathy for Trump supporters one sees around here than we saw for Sanders supporters. Racist white men, sure, they've got a plight -- but those BoB-ers, that there's no excuse for!

More seriously, one of Clinton's most effective strategies was attacking Sanders via his supporters. It's interesting how that strategy does and doesn't work in the general.
posted to MetaFilter by chortly at 9:37 PM on September 12, 2016

Those middle-class voters are feeling economic strain too, by the way, a sense of things being much harder than they've ever been. They've seen their wealth diminish rapidly since 2008. They don't happen to see that the Wall Street crash also destroyed 53 percent of African-American wealth and 66 percent of Hispanic wealth. But this is not widely known in general for some reason.
posted to MetaFilter by naju at 9:35 PM on September 12, 2016

but poor rural whites aren't the base of his support.

Exactly. I did want to mention how educated/middle-class whites are a key part of Trump's base, and are likely just as racist if not more. The stuff about "yelling at monster truck rallies" is clearly aiming at a particular demographic and I wanted to address them as a convenient scapegoat.
posted to MetaFilter by naju at 9:28 PM on September 12, 2016

Look, I don't feel 100% on what I'm about to write. It's kind of unpleasant and possibly wrong. But I think that there's a certain number of people who are ... kind of stupid. Or incurious. Or simple. And the world has become an unforgiving place for them. They'll never have very good jobs, they'll never be like the families in commercials. And this makes them angry. And maybe they were also kind of angry to begin with.

There's a culture of angry to belong to.... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by naju at 9:00 PM on September 12, 2016

I mean, I'd like to believe that Tim Kaine is some kind of Marxist radical, but his record in office doesn't really bear that out...
posted to MetaFilter by indubitable at 6:31 PM on September 12, 2016

To paraphrase the Simpsons, NPR became a hardcore Fox clone so gradually I didn't even notice!

I think I missed the wave of fairweather megathreadders, but just to repeat:

NPR News is not your friend. They were complicit in the selling of torture, warrantless wiretapping (ah the salad days) and both Iraq War Original, and Iraq War II: The Shittening.

Turn them off! Go old school funk, podcasts,... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by petebest at 6:13 PM on September 12, 2016

It's - it's hard, but not impossible.

corb, I have often, vehemently if lurk-ily, disagreed with your views, but I have to say that you make me proud to be a part of this community. It's sooo easy to be a with-the-grain drive-by snarker here, and I imagine it's a lot of work to be a sharp and eloquent dissenter, to say nothing of your on-the-spot RNC reportage. Thanks, is all.
posted to MetaFilter by sandettie light vessel automatic at 6:11 PM on September 12, 2016

i don't wanna say i told you so, but i motherfucking told you so
posted to MetaFilter by entropicamericana at 10:42 AM on September 13, 2016

it fails to bring home these kinds of impacts by instead focusing on how much of human history has occurred within a very small range of temperatures.

Well one could justifiably criticize speculation on the impacts because we've never seen those, and Earth itself has never seen a temperature shift of this magnitude in such a short time, so one can say truthfully that we have no idea what's going to happen. But it is also true that all of civilization... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Bringer Tom at 4:38 PM on September 12, 2016

Won't the rising sea level just push the beaches up with it?

Sure, if you feel like waiting a few tens of thousands of years for erosion to create new ones.
posted to MetaFilter by Bringer Tom at 4:34 PM on September 12, 2016

Bill McKibben: Hillary Clinton needs to take a stand on the Dakota Access Pipeline
posted to MetaFilter by homunculus at 3:22 PM on September 12, 2016

Note that at the time that humans and apes had a common ancestor ( in Africa ... you know the hot place? ) the global temperature was ( I'm eye balling this ) about eight degrees warmer than now. Probably more important is the huge swings in temperature over the last million years or so. These are much larger than the trend he is showing on his drawing.

No, what's important is that there is a huge swing in temperature happening in the last 100 years... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Celsius1414 at 4:10 PM on September 12, 2016

If you tell me that this year is warmer than other years, well - so what? More going to the beach, less going skiing.

Actually if the temperature increases more than a couple of degrees you will never go to the beach again, because all the beaches will be underwater.

Rapid temperature change also means destabilization of ocean currents and jet streams upon which we depend, like the circumpolar vortex (pretty much toast at this... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Bringer Tom at 4:09 PM on September 12, 2016

One of the largest upticks on meinvt's version of the graph represents the Permian-Triassic extinction, at which point life did in fact go on but nearly every previously existing form of it did not.
posted to MetaFilter by Bringer Tom at 3:20 PM on September 12, 2016

This is a subject about which I spend an inordinate amount of time reading about, and the speed of change I never truly appreciated until now. The temperature change from the medieval warm period to the depths of the little ice age, which for the paleoclimate record was pretty fast at only 1000 years, is about as much as the temperature has changed since the Supreme Court declared Al Gore the loser of the 2000 election.
posted to MetaFilter by [expletive deleted] at 3:11 PM on September 12, 2016

Palin. End of story.

It was a concern in May 2008 before he picked her in August 2008. But thanks for shutting me down in literally 2 minutes.
posted to MetaFilter by kimberussell at 10:07 AM on September 12, 2016

I really appreciate sciatrix, Lexica, and Dysk speaking up as voices of actual autistic people. Thanks so much, you guys. I am so sick of ASD/Asperger's being used as default hypotheticals and the go-to example of difficult people. It's trivializing and insulting.

That said, corb's comment resonates with me a lot. (Speaking as somebody with ASD,) I wish I found the social norms of online interaction to be a totally different thing from in-person interactions, the way... [more]
posted to MetaTalk by thetortoise at 1:09 PM on September 9, 2016

If you had a festival in a public park expected to attract 1000 people, you'd have to get a permit for it. If you had a flash mob in a public park expected to attract 1000 people, you'd...? Granted, a flash mob isn't going to generate the strain on resources a festival will, but the example has merit. Pokémon Go is like a decentralized festival where you can't easily point to any one agency as the organizer. Niantic has placed points of interest to attract people to this park, but it's not... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Mr.Encyclopedia at 10:12 AM on September 9, 2016

I looked through the post and didn't see this anywhere - do we have any idea of how many more people are using the park because of the game? Do we know how many people usually used the park in the first place, or how many people would be considered 'capacity' for the park?

Because the main argument seems to be that Niantic is responsible for the park to be over capacity, and I'm wondering why that seems to be the case, rather than the idea that the park was operating... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by dinty_moore at 10:09 AM on September 9, 2016

Niantic is just producing a detailed augmented map of these places. A guidebook publisher doesn't have to pay the cities they write about, which seems like a decent metaphor.

Geospatial property rights will be a thing very soon.
posted to MetaFilter by MillMan at 9:48 AM on September 9, 2016

Niantic doesn't pay anything to the public places it uses, right?

Niantic is just producing a detailed augmented map of these places. A guidebook publisher doesn't have to pay the cities they write about, which seems like a decent metaphor.
posted to MetaFilter by bracems at 9:33 AM on September 9, 2016

In some ways this in no different than any other restriction that a city could impose on sport playing. No one (or some very small minority) would be whining if the city said "you can't play baseball here" if the field were not designed for that purpose.

In another way it is similar to the hula hoop, as my dad pointed out, insofar as one company is making money off of something that is being used in a public place. I think that this is a way that it is... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by tummy_rub at 9:32 AM on September 9, 2016

I borrow maybe one book a month from my local library, shouldn't the person borrowing ten a month pay more than me? And shouldn't publishers be paying libraries for all of the exposure they're getting, greedily sucking up the commons?

But let's imagine that you design a library system to accommodate up to 20,000 users - you get all the extra Harry Potter books, you get all the computers, you staff accordingly, you have enough toilet paper,... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 9:28 AM on September 9, 2016

It's the age of the perceptual diode, of one-way transparency.

I love spy tech - which geek doesn't? - and I love the incredible complexities and revelations that are coming out of our huge cultural experiment, of shoving analogue humanity into the chrysalis and seeing what sort of beautiful monster fights its way out.

But my real interest is quis custodiet. Those who demand transparency of but deny transparency to. We cannot deny them, but it's... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Devonian at 6:21 AM on September 9, 2016

We're entering the Age of Transparency & this is part of learning how to deal with all information about everybody being available to everybody else. One solution is there gets to be a group (spooks & some cops) who get to control it all so they have an unlimited two way mirror on the rest of us & we get nothing on them & get punished for trying. That's obviously not sustainable because it corrupts them & makes us paranoid but a better model & a path to it have yet to... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by scalefree at 2:03 AM on September 9, 2016

The ebags motherlode weekender?
posted to Ask MetaFilter by Ms Vegetable at 7:31 AM on September 8, 2016

Using "rustic" as an insult is very anti-rural. Why do you hate Real America?

I know (think?) this was somewhat tongue in cheek but in the small town where I live rustic can definitely be a put down sort of depending on what you're trying to describe. Like if you had a local AirBnB that you were trying to polish up for people from cities? You might sell it as rustic (where rustic = good) but if someone came to your house and said they liked... [more]
posted to MetaTalk by jessamyn at 2:05 PM on September 7, 2016

I'm reminded of a passage from The World Without Us:

Below 131st Street and Lenox Avenue, for example, a rising underground river is corroding the bottom of the A, B, C and D subway lines. Constantly, men in reflective vests and denim rough-outs... are clambering around beneath the city to deal with the fact that under New York, groundwater is gradually rising.

Whenever it rains hard, sewers clog with storm debris... and the water, needing to go... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by BungaDunga at 3:57 PM on September 7, 2016

Rome used to think it was pretty important too. The Earth doesn't recognise how important we think particular conglomerations of glass and steel are.
posted to MetaFilter by turbid dahlia at 3:24 PM on September 7, 2016

NYC is the most important city in the world (I write this as someone who grew up in Chicago and live in LA). There's no way it winds up underwater.

Uh, okay? I can think of several ways in combination. General sea level rise from ice sheet melt, the expansion of water in a warmer world, the fact that the rise is larger on the coast of New England than say here in Washington, stronger storm surges, stronger storms and more of them, heavier... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Existential Dread at 3:17 PM on September 7, 2016