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hahahahah! looks like you mac weenies are out of luck...
This post was deleted for the following reason: macpcflamefilter
where is the flagging option for "this post is the shittiest attempt at a troll i've seen yet"
posted by tweak at 11:42 PM on October 27, 2005
posted by tweak at 11:42 PM on October 27, 2005
I used to be a liaison between an HR dept and BrassRing. Their system basically only supported (at that time, not sure/don't care if it still does) IE. I told them on any number of occasions that it was idiotic. It was hard to do it via email, though, because they were stricken with every virus that came around - they all used Outlook as well.
That being said, interesting choice for an FPP. Cable not working?
posted by nevercalm at 11:47 PM on October 27, 2005
That being said, interesting choice for an FPP. Cable not working?
posted by nevercalm at 11:47 PM on October 27, 2005
hahahahah! it looks like you windows weenies are in luck!
Seriously, though, anyone can troll on any OS's users all day long. There's no skill or cleverness involved here.
I think jimjam's mommy needs to start putting him to bed earlier.
posted by secret about box at 11:54 PM on October 27, 2005
Seriously, though, anyone can troll on any OS's users all day long. There's no skill or cleverness involved here.
I think jimjam's mommy needs to start putting him to bed earlier.
posted by secret about box at 11:54 PM on October 27, 2005
Put them in a body bag, jimjammy!! Yeah!!
posted by fleacircus at 11:54 PM on October 27, 2005
posted by fleacircus at 11:54 PM on October 27, 2005
I hate to be the one always complaining about the quality of fpps these days, but, well....no actually I enjoy it.
Tar and feather him, boys!
posted by nightchrome at 12:09 AM on October 28, 2005
Tar and feather him, boys!
posted by nightchrome at 12:09 AM on October 28, 2005
Shoot. There goes my dream of getting out of the arts and becoming a cubical-dweller. jimjam, why must you erase all hope? Why? Why? Why?
posted by brundlefly at 12:15 AM on October 28, 2005
posted by brundlefly at 12:15 AM on October 28, 2005
-1 Flamebait
posted by Joeforking at 12:20 AM on October 28, 2005
posted by Joeforking at 12:20 AM on October 28, 2005
Damn. You mean I'll have to keep my present job? The one I've had since 1987 when I started a graphics consulting business using a long migration of Macs? The one where I can work my own hours (its 3:00am), take a nap whenever I like, wake the kids for school and be home to cook dinner with the family every night?
Don't mean to drone on and on but - Oops! So sorry. I didn't mean to use the word "drone" in front of you. My bad.
posted by hal9k at 12:31 AM on October 28, 2005
Don't mean to drone on and on but - Oops! So sorry. I didn't mean to use the word "drone" in front of you. My bad.
posted by hal9k at 12:31 AM on October 28, 2005
Four lazy one-link FPP's.
And fully 50% of them are Mac troll threads. Us Mac people, we've SO been pwned!1!1
You, sir, are a weenie.
posted by nevercalm at 12:40 AM on October 28, 2005
And fully 50% of them are Mac troll threads. Us Mac people, we've SO been pwned!1!1
You, sir, are a weenie.
posted by nevercalm at 12:40 AM on October 28, 2005
wait, wait. he called you guys WEENIES. i don't think you mac weenies understand the GRAVITY of this situation.
it's on now
posted by jimmy at 12:51 AM on October 28, 2005
it's on now
posted by jimmy at 12:51 AM on October 28, 2005
Four ass-tastic FPPs, and one is actually a link to a Slashdot comment.
I hereby flag this FPP as -1, Retarded.
posted by secret about box at 12:56 AM on October 28, 2005
I hereby flag this FPP as -1, Retarded.
posted by secret about box at 12:56 AM on October 28, 2005
go back to slashdot you self-aggrandizing fuckshit, dick eating cow
posted by angry modem at 1:22 AM on October 28, 2005
posted by angry modem at 1:22 AM on October 28, 2005
Catfry: About what?
posted by brundlefly at 1:45 AM on October 28, 2005
posted by brundlefly at 1:45 AM on October 28, 2005
Is 'self-aggrandizing fuckshit, dick eating cow' the new 'troll'?
posted by Balisong at 1:47 AM on October 28, 2005
posted by Balisong at 1:47 AM on October 28, 2005
"self-aggrandizing fuckshit, dick eating cow" = SAFDEC?
posted by brundlefly at 1:49 AM on October 28, 2005
posted by brundlefly at 1:49 AM on October 28, 2005
Four posts doesn't take into account those jimjam's had deleted. Like this one. Extraordinary.
Also, he was responsible for my personal pick for The Worst FPP Ever. Classic.
posted by gramschmidt at 1:50 AM on October 28, 2005
Also, he was responsible for my personal pick for The Worst FPP Ever. Classic.
posted by gramschmidt at 1:50 AM on October 28, 2005
Damn, there's me ruled out of every single shit job I'd never want. Gutted, thanks for the heads up jimjam.
posted by twistedonion at 1:52 AM on October 28, 2005
posted by twistedonion at 1:52 AM on October 28, 2005
oh this is awesome. i'm not even a mac user and i see where this is going. I'm gonig to keep commenting in here every once in a while to try to get the last post in before deletion. any takers?
posted by shmegegge at 2:06 AM on October 28, 2005
posted by shmegegge at 2:06 AM on October 28, 2005
shmegegge at the MetaFilter tonight. Awesome show.
posted by gramschmidt at 2:10 AM on October 28, 2005
posted by gramschmidt at 2:10 AM on October 28, 2005
A Mac user with "Virtual PC" installed wouldn't have a problem, right? How did this get to be a big deal?
posted by ironisokratic at 2:23 AM on October 28, 2005
posted by ironisokratic at 2:23 AM on October 28, 2005
I'm up early. Thinking of having pancakes or waffles for breakfast. Wonder if the waffles are mac compatible though.
posted by birdherder at 2:24 AM on October 28, 2005
posted by birdherder at 2:24 AM on October 28, 2005
Ok, it's an utterly shit post, but the page title gave me a chuckle.
posted by Optamystic at 2:51 AM on October 28, 2005
posted by Optamystic at 2:51 AM on October 28, 2005
Its not even a story - they're changing the software to be Mac compatible in December.
Worthless FP.
posted by Spacelegoman at 2:55 AM on October 28, 2005
Worthless FP.
posted by Spacelegoman at 2:55 AM on October 28, 2005
Three Microsoft engineers and three Apple employees are traveling by train to a computer conference. At the station, the three Microsoft engineers each buy tickets and watch as the three Apple employees buy only a single ticket.
"How are three people going to travel on only one ticket?" asks a Microsoft engineer.
"Watch and you'll see," answers the Apple employee.
They all board the train. The Microsoft engineers take their respective seats, but all three Apple employees cram into a restroom and close the door behind them. Shortly after the train has departed, the conductor comes around collecting tickets. He knocks on the restroom door and says, "Ticket, please."
The door opens just a crack and a single arm emerges with a ticket in hand. The conductor takes the ticket and moves on.
The Microsoft engineers saw this and agreed it was quite a clever idea. So after the conference, the Microsoft engineers decide to do the same on the return trip and save some money.
When they get to the station, they buy a single ticket for the return trip. To their astonishment, the Apple employees don't buy any ticket, at all.
"How are you going to travel without a ticket?" asks one perplexed Microsoft engineer.
"Watch and you'll see," answers an Apple employee.
When they board the train the three Microsoft engineers cram into a restroom and the three Apple employees cram into another one nearby. The train departs.
Shortly afterward, one of the Apple employees leaves his restroom and walks over to the restroom where the Microsoft engineers are hiding. He knocks on the door and says, "Ticket, please..."
posted by shmegegge at 3:35 AM on October 28, 2005
"How are three people going to travel on only one ticket?" asks a Microsoft engineer.
"Watch and you'll see," answers the Apple employee.
They all board the train. The Microsoft engineers take their respective seats, but all three Apple employees cram into a restroom and close the door behind them. Shortly after the train has departed, the conductor comes around collecting tickets. He knocks on the restroom door and says, "Ticket, please."
The door opens just a crack and a single arm emerges with a ticket in hand. The conductor takes the ticket and moves on.
The Microsoft engineers saw this and agreed it was quite a clever idea. So after the conference, the Microsoft engineers decide to do the same on the return trip and save some money.
When they get to the station, they buy a single ticket for the return trip. To their astonishment, the Apple employees don't buy any ticket, at all.
"How are you going to travel without a ticket?" asks one perplexed Microsoft engineer.
"Watch and you'll see," answers an Apple employee.
When they board the train the three Microsoft engineers cram into a restroom and the three Apple employees cram into another one nearby. The train departs.
Shortly afterward, one of the Apple employees leaves his restroom and walks over to the restroom where the Microsoft engineers are hiding. He knocks on the door and says, "Ticket, please..."
posted by shmegegge at 3:35 AM on October 28, 2005
If you need to use PC for application, go to a computer cafe or to Kinkoes and apply. That most buxiness places use PCs indicates nothing more than that all keyboards still use a finger placement system seriously inefficient but one that has become custom and a hand-me-down.
As far as using this or that type of machine in the workplace once getting a job, that should be easily learned. Even I managed to switch from one platform to another.
posted by Postroad at 3:55 AM on October 28, 2005
As far as using this or that type of machine in the workplace once getting a job, that should be easily learned. Even I managed to switch from one platform to another.
posted by Postroad at 3:55 AM on October 28, 2005
A Mac user with "Virtual PC" installed wouldn't have a problem, right? How did this get to be a big deal?
if using using xp on a pc isn't enough to put you off using windows for life, running xp on "virtual pc" certainly would be.
posted by tnai at 4:16 AM on October 28, 2005
if using using xp on a pc isn't enough to put you off using windows for life, running xp on "virtual pc" certainly would be.
posted by tnai at 4:16 AM on October 28, 2005
Yeah, Macs are for babies and aztecs!
jimjam can be first up against the wall when the revolution comes.
posted by wilberforce at 4:34 AM on October 28, 2005
jimjam can be first up against the wall when the revolution comes.
posted by wilberforce at 4:34 AM on October 28, 2005
AmEx, Target and Sears?
Seriously, that's what you're hahaing about?
AmEx, Target and Sears?
Is it your aspiration to work for one of these places? Maybe you already re-stock sweaters and fell all superior about it?
posted by signal at 4:49 AM on October 28, 2005
Seriously, that's what you're hahaing about?
AmEx, Target and Sears?
Is it your aspiration to work for one of these places? Maybe you already re-stock sweaters and fell all superior about it?
posted by signal at 4:49 AM on October 28, 2005
crap...i sleep for a couple of hours and metafilter is taken over by adolescents.....
YA'LL GET OUT OF HERE AND GO TO SCHOOL!
posted by HuronBob at 4:52 AM on October 28, 2005
YA'LL GET OUT OF HERE AND GO TO SCHOOL!
posted by HuronBob at 4:52 AM on October 28, 2005
I told Mathowie that giving Steve Ballmer an account was a mistake.
posted by spock at 5:20 AM on October 28, 2005
posted by spock at 5:20 AM on October 28, 2005
sad bolstering of job prospects for talentless fools.
I like how their defense for not integrating Mac is that they're not hearing from people about it. Of course, people on Macs only would have to go to the public library, etc. to complain directly, no?
posted by Busithoth at 5:20 AM on October 28, 2005
I like how their defense for not integrating Mac is that they're not hearing from people about it. Of course, people on Macs only would have to go to the public library, etc. to complain directly, no?
posted by Busithoth at 5:20 AM on October 28, 2005
Err, if you're a creative professional then you'll be working on a Mac. I've been a graphic designer for over fifteen years and I've never worked at a studio that didn't use Macs, this going back to the dawn of Adobe Illustrator and Aldus Freehand.
Do you want a shitty job? Don't use a Mac.
Do you want a fun and creative job? Then use a Mac.
posted by disgruntled at 5:26 AM on October 28, 2005
Do you want a shitty job? Don't use a Mac.
Do you want a fun and creative job? Then use a Mac.
posted by disgruntled at 5:26 AM on October 28, 2005
Wait, are you telling me I can't get a job at Sears, Target or American Express ? Well, shit, what do I have to live for now?
posted by Uncle Glendinning at 5:29 AM on October 28, 2005
posted by Uncle Glendinning at 5:29 AM on October 28, 2005
Last night, a Windowsie friend of mine was visiting & said he needed to check something for work, so could he hook his laptop up to my router? He was concerned that it was a "Mac" router and that the Internets was somehow configured Mac-only at my house ... and was VERY susprised when he could actually get online. Punchline: he's a tech at a major company & has a Bachelor's in Computer Science.
This is the level of comprehension at which most anti-Mac people are functioning: simple misunderstanding.
posted by Ricky_gr10 at 5:36 AM on October 28, 2005
This is the level of comprehension at which most anti-Mac people are functioning: simple misunderstanding.
posted by Ricky_gr10 at 5:36 AM on October 28, 2005
nearly forty years ago the beatles had commented on the lack of macs in the banking industry ...
posted by pyramid termite at 5:41 AM on October 28, 2005
posted by pyramid termite at 5:41 AM on October 28, 2005
There's the germ of a decent post there, but it's got nothing inherently to do with Mac v. Windows. It's got a lot to do with crappy MSP applications like BrassRing.
I haven't worked with BR, personally, but I used to do a lot with Peopleclick VMS. They actualy claimed to be IE+Windows only, but in fact as far as I could see you could use it all the way back to NN3 (with some diminished capability). The application used a lot of javascript for form management and to improve the interaction model, so the backward compatability was clearly intentional; I was very not-crazy about the application as a whole, but their engineers actually did a good job with the cross-platform JavaScript.
We had partner status, so they'd admit to us in confidence that all this was true, but you would never hear them admit it in talking with clients. Why? Well, in certain circles, to admit that you pay attention to "alternative" browsers is regarded as a major faux pax. If they went into a presentation with, let's say, Ford, the lower-management weenie at Ford who was responsible for evaluating Vendor Management System bids would write them off as a bunch of pink-tinged F/OSS geeks.
In other words, in Corporate America, cross browser functionality is often implicitly a BAD THING.
This is because Corporate America (and this is probably true of large corporate environments world wide, to be fair) is a place where it's much more important to NOT MAKE MISTAKES than it is to SUCCEED.
Now, if that's what this post had been about, the discussion might have gone somewhere.
posted by lodurr at 5:44 AM on October 28, 2005
I haven't worked with BR, personally, but I used to do a lot with Peopleclick VMS. They actualy claimed to be IE+Windows only, but in fact as far as I could see you could use it all the way back to NN3 (with some diminished capability). The application used a lot of javascript for form management and to improve the interaction model, so the backward compatability was clearly intentional; I was very not-crazy about the application as a whole, but their engineers actually did a good job with the cross-platform JavaScript.
We had partner status, so they'd admit to us in confidence that all this was true, but you would never hear them admit it in talking with clients. Why? Well, in certain circles, to admit that you pay attention to "alternative" browsers is regarded as a major faux pax. If they went into a presentation with, let's say, Ford, the lower-management weenie at Ford who was responsible for evaluating Vendor Management System bids would write them off as a bunch of pink-tinged F/OSS geeks.
In other words, in Corporate America, cross browser functionality is often implicitly a BAD THING.
This is because Corporate America (and this is probably true of large corporate environments world wide, to be fair) is a place where it's much more important to NOT MAKE MISTAKES than it is to SUCCEED.
Now, if that's what this post had been about, the discussion might have gone somewhere.
posted by lodurr at 5:44 AM on October 28, 2005
There's the germ of a decent post there, but it's got nothing inherently to do with Mac v. Windows. It's got a lot to do with crappy MSP applications like BrassRing.
I haven't worked with BR, personally, but I used to do a lot with Peopleclick VMS. They actualy claimed to be IE+Windows only, but in fact as far as I could see you could use it all the way back to NN3 (with some diminished capability). The application used a lot of javascript for form management and to improve the interaction model, so the backward compatability was clearly intentional; I was very not-crazy about the application as a whole, but their engineers actually did a good job with the cross-platform JavaScript.
We had partner status, so they'd admit to us in confidence that all this was true, but you would never hear them admit it in talking with clients. Why? Well, in certain circles, to admit that you pay attention to "alternative" browsers is regarded as a major faux pax. If they went into a presentation with, let's say, Ford, the lower-management weenie at Ford who was responsible for evaluating Vendor Management System bids would write them off as a bunch of pink-tinged F/OSS geeks.
In other words, in Corporate America, cross browser functionality is often implicitly a BAD THING.
This is because Corporate America (and this is probably true of large corporate environments world wide, to be fair) is a place where it's much more important to NOT MAKE MISTAKES than it is to SUCCEED.
Now, if that's what this post had been about, the discussion might have gone somewhere.
posted by lodurr at 5:44 AM on October 28, 2005
I haven't worked with BR, personally, but I used to do a lot with Peopleclick VMS. They actualy claimed to be IE+Windows only, but in fact as far as I could see you could use it all the way back to NN3 (with some diminished capability). The application used a lot of javascript for form management and to improve the interaction model, so the backward compatability was clearly intentional; I was very not-crazy about the application as a whole, but their engineers actually did a good job with the cross-platform JavaScript.
We had partner status, so they'd admit to us in confidence that all this was true, but you would never hear them admit it in talking with clients. Why? Well, in certain circles, to admit that you pay attention to "alternative" browsers is regarded as a major faux pax. If they went into a presentation with, let's say, Ford, the lower-management weenie at Ford who was responsible for evaluating Vendor Management System bids would write them off as a bunch of pink-tinged F/OSS geeks.
In other words, in Corporate America, cross browser functionality is often implicitly a BAD THING.
This is because Corporate America (and this is probably true of large corporate environments world wide, to be fair) is a place where it's much more important to NOT MAKE MISTAKES than it is to SUCCEED.
Now, if that's what this post had been about, the discussion might have gone somewhere.
posted by lodurr at 5:44 AM on October 28, 2005
Weird. That was definitely only a single post -- I previewed to work around the Opera post bug, and when I posted there were two posts. Meta, i guess....
posted by lodurr at 5:46 AM on October 28, 2005
posted by lodurr at 5:46 AM on October 28, 2005
Good thing I'm already done using my Mac to build my own company. Down with the man!
posted by Devils Rancher at 5:48 AM on October 28, 2005
posted by Devils Rancher at 5:48 AM on October 28, 2005
BrassRing wouldn't have this issue if they hired competent web designers.
Personally if I were hiring and saw that someone was responsible for a web application design which only supported the one platform when there's no reason to do so, that person's resume would end up in the rounded filing cabinet, and I'm not even a Mac user anymore.
posted by clevershark at 5:57 AM on October 28, 2005
Personally if I were hiring and saw that someone was responsible for a web application design which only supported the one platform when there's no reason to do so, that person's resume would end up in the rounded filing cabinet, and I'm not even a Mac user anymore.
posted by clevershark at 5:57 AM on October 28, 2005
lodurr -- Opera and a Macintosh? I think you're being intentionally difficult... tar and feathers! And a copy of Windows XP!
posted by fet at 6:02 AM on October 28, 2005
posted by fet at 6:02 AM on October 28, 2005
I own a mac and have a job. I hope the gestapo doesn't come and take me away.
posted by chunking express at 6:02 AM on October 28, 2005
posted by chunking express at 6:02 AM on October 28, 2005
Metafilter: sucks donkeyballs.
sorry.
Not being much of a mac user, what's so different between them (pc browser vs. mac browser) that it causes this to happen?
posted by Tacitus at 6:02 AM on October 28, 2005
sorry.
Not being much of a mac user, what's so different between them (pc browser vs. mac browser) that it causes this to happen?
posted by Tacitus at 6:02 AM on October 28, 2005
why would i want to apply for a job where i have to use windows? i'd rather slit my wrists and lay in a tub full of lemon juice.
tacitus: IE on Windows has ActiveX controls and other proprietary stuff in it, that some developers think is "normal". the mac version of IE is so old and out of date, it can't do the same stuff the new ones can.
unfortunetly there is no advantage to using that technology -- CSS/XHTML/etc. can be universally understood and used by everyone, and anything dynamic can be done on the server side.
posted by teletype1 at 6:18 AM on October 28, 2005
tacitus: IE on Windows has ActiveX controls and other proprietary stuff in it, that some developers think is "normal". the mac version of IE is so old and out of date, it can't do the same stuff the new ones can.
unfortunetly there is no advantage to using that technology -- CSS/XHTML/etc. can be universally understood and used by everyone, and anything dynamic can be done on the server side.
posted by teletype1 at 6:18 AM on October 28, 2005
Not being much of a mac user, what's so different between them (pc browser vs. mac browser) that it causes this to happen?
Nothing. The problem is lazy programmers.
posted by twistedonion at 6:19 AM on October 28, 2005
Nothing. The problem is lazy programmers.
posted by twistedonion at 6:19 AM on October 28, 2005
Tacitus: Mac v PC? Nothing. IE-Win v Everything Else? Small, niggling things.
Usually IE-[Firefox/Opera/Safari/KHTML] compatability problems are a result of poorly abstracted object references. There are afew things that are difficult to abstract because IE has a significantly different object model for some things. As I recall, they mostly have to do with things like drag and drop and sorting records in tables. Other than things like that, it should be fairly easy to abstract the object references, so there's not much of an excuse.
It's easy to rag on them for this, by the way, but it's not as simple to get compatability as individual crontributors would have you believe. Don't forget that these applications are developed and maintained by large teams working to market(ing)- and sales-driven requirements. Which is to say that they environments in which they evolve are complex.
posted by lodurr at 6:22 AM on October 28, 2005
Usually IE-[Firefox/Opera/Safari/KHTML] compatability problems are a result of poorly abstracted object references. There are afew things that are difficult to abstract because IE has a significantly different object model for some things. As I recall, they mostly have to do with things like drag and drop and sorting records in tables. Other than things like that, it should be fairly easy to abstract the object references, so there's not much of an excuse.
It's easy to rag on them for this, by the way, but it's not as simple to get compatability as individual crontributors would have you believe. Don't forget that these applications are developed and maintained by large teams working to market(ing)- and sales-driven requirements. Which is to say that they environments in which they evolve are complex.
posted by lodurr at 6:22 AM on October 28, 2005
twistedonion writes "Nothing. The problem is lazy programmers."
Or just ignorant ones who wouldn't know how to make a web page without Front Page or Visual Web Developer...
posted by clevershark at 6:27 AM on October 28, 2005
Or just ignorant ones who wouldn't know how to make a web page without Front Page or Visual Web Developer...
posted by clevershark at 6:27 AM on October 28, 2005
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