Mark Zuckerberg only eats what he kills.
November 16, 2011 2:37 PM Subscribe
That's not what I meant, Mark, when I wrote "Zuckerberg can eat me."
posted by Joey Michaels at 2:40 PM on November 16, 2011 [2 favorites]
posted by Joey Michaels at 2:40 PM on November 16, 2011 [2 favorites]
His personal goal in 2009 was to wear a tie every day? Reach for the stars.
posted by neuromodulator at 2:42 PM on November 16, 2011 [14 favorites]
posted by neuromodulator at 2:42 PM on November 16, 2011 [14 favorites]
The year after he blocked off an hour every day to learn Chinese. Maybe these things don't sound like much but that's some impressive discipline on his part. I know very few people who are able to take up new habits and do them every single day for a year.
posted by Anonymous at 2:44 PM on November 16, 2011
posted by Anonymous at 2:44 PM on November 16, 2011
Just wait until you see the pictures. You know, the ones where he gets naked and climbs inside the horse.
In all seriousness though, who cares? Privileged dude is smugly superior about behaving in privileged manner. That's sure newsworthy.
posted by Stagger Lee at 2:46 PM on November 16, 2011 [19 favorites]
In all seriousness though, who cares? Privileged dude is smugly superior about behaving in privileged manner. That's sure newsworthy.
posted by Stagger Lee at 2:46 PM on November 16, 2011 [19 favorites]
Oh. That's where my productivity went.
posted by BrandonW at 2:46 PM on November 16, 2011 [1 favorite]
posted by BrandonW at 2:46 PM on November 16, 2011 [1 favorite]
But plants die as well. Adding to this, the article states that he simply went to a local farmer and killed a chicken, pig, and goat. Then he had them sent to a butcher. The intent might be there to do some good, but it sure as heck isn't coming out in action.
Lets get back to real news and not celebrities.
posted by graxe at 2:46 PM on November 16, 2011 [4 favorites]
Lets get back to real news and not celebrities.
posted by graxe at 2:46 PM on November 16, 2011 [4 favorites]
This is actually pretty cool. I admire it, and kind of wish it were something I could find within myself to do.
posted by mr_roboto at 2:47 PM on November 16, 2011 [2 favorites]
posted by mr_roboto at 2:47 PM on November 16, 2011 [2 favorites]
It certainly does take discipline to do the same thing day after day for a year. Whether the proper adjective to describe it is "impressive" or "pathological," however, is open to debate.
posted by gompa at 2:48 PM on November 16, 2011 [4 favorites]
posted by gompa at 2:48 PM on November 16, 2011 [4 favorites]
Killing a random animal isn't getting in touch with your food unless you've raised it. Try killing something you've put time, effort, sweat, blood and money into and looks at you with trusting eyes. Then you're in touch with your food.
posted by Malice at 2:49 PM on November 16, 2011 [33 favorites]
posted by Malice at 2:49 PM on November 16, 2011 [33 favorites]
ugghhhhhhhhhhhh
old moguls were cooler. i want howard hughes back
posted by This, of course, alludes to you at 2:50 PM on November 16, 2011 [6 favorites]
old moguls were cooler. i want howard hughes back
posted by This, of course, alludes to you at 2:50 PM on November 16, 2011 [6 favorites]
Swear I made a comment about this before in a previous Zucker thread but....
You heard it here first folks, Zuckerberg literally feasts on privacy
posted by wcfields at 2:51 PM on November 16, 2011 [1 favorite]
You heard it here first folks, Zuckerberg literally feasts on privacy
posted by wcfields at 2:51 PM on November 16, 2011 [1 favorite]
He recently ate a chicken, including the heart and liver, and used the feet to make stock.
Chicken heart, liver and gizzards are all delicious, and my grandmother always insisted that chicken feet make the best soup (having tried this once, I tend to agree).
My prediction: offal becomes the next hipster food.
posted by Dr. Eigenvariable at 2:51 PM on November 16, 2011 [2 favorites]
Chicken heart, liver and gizzards are all delicious, and my grandmother always insisted that chicken feet make the best soup (having tried this once, I tend to agree).
My prediction: offal becomes the next hipster food.
posted by Dr. Eigenvariable at 2:51 PM on November 16, 2011 [2 favorites]
Try killing something you've put time, effort, sweat, blood and money into and looks at you with trusting eyes.
If only I ever planned to have children...
posted by backseatpilot at 2:52 PM on November 16, 2011 [13 favorites]
If only I ever planned to have children...
posted by backseatpilot at 2:52 PM on November 16, 2011 [13 favorites]
My prediction: offal becomes the next hipster food.
We're already there. It's a natural extension of the charcuterie trend.
posted by Pruitt-Igoe at 2:53 PM on November 16, 2011 [6 favorites]
We're already there. It's a natural extension of the charcuterie trend.
posted by Pruitt-Igoe at 2:53 PM on November 16, 2011 [6 favorites]
I'm exactly the opposite. I refuse to eat things I kill. I'm too emotionally attached to them, I suppose.
posted by found missing at 2:53 PM on November 16, 2011
posted by found missing at 2:53 PM on November 16, 2011
Ted Nugent already did this; it got a big meh.
posted by bukvich at 2:54 PM on November 16, 2011 [2 favorites]
posted by bukvich at 2:54 PM on November 16, 2011 [2 favorites]
The intent might be there to do some good, but it sure as heck isn't coming out in action.
Well, it's sure not particularly deep tourism of the life of a working class butcher, or building up survival skills, but at least he's bridging the disconnect between the death of a living thing and meat on his plate.
At least, I think that's worthy of respect. Most of the time I get close to that I get a bit uncomfortable and retreat, which makes me kindof a hypocrite: I'm uncomfortable killing a lot of the animals I like for meat.
On the other hand, maybe Zuckerberg's just cementing his comfort with the idea of himself as the top of the food chain.
posted by weston at 2:55 PM on November 16, 2011 [3 favorites]
Well, it's sure not particularly deep tourism of the life of a working class butcher, or building up survival skills, but at least he's bridging the disconnect between the death of a living thing and meat on his plate.
At least, I think that's worthy of respect. Most of the time I get close to that I get a bit uncomfortable and retreat, which makes me kindof a hypocrite: I'm uncomfortable killing a lot of the animals I like for meat.
On the other hand, maybe Zuckerberg's just cementing his comfort with the idea of himself as the top of the food chain.
posted by weston at 2:55 PM on November 16, 2011 [3 favorites]
This is truly inspiring, and I'd love to make the same change in my diet. Do you think Zuckerberg would be willing to kill enough food for two people?
posted by PlusDistance at 2:55 PM on November 16, 2011 [3 favorites]
posted by PlusDistance at 2:55 PM on November 16, 2011 [3 favorites]
Well that goes a long way to explain why he is eating the Intetnets.
posted by madamjujujive at 2:57 PM on November 16, 2011
posted by madamjujujive at 2:57 PM on November 16, 2011
i hate zuckerberg as much as the next person, but i can't summon a rage-on for this. so what if he didn't go whole hog (haha) and raise it himself? this is still miles closer to the food he eats than most, especially rich, people get.
posted by nadawi at 2:57 PM on November 16, 2011 [2 favorites]
posted by nadawi at 2:57 PM on November 16, 2011 [2 favorites]
In all seriousness though, who cares? Privileged dude is smugly superior about behaving in privileged manner. That's sure newsworthy.
I hate this shit. Why is "huh, that's kind of cool, but oh, he has a lot of money, *vomit*" the default response? This isn't even an OWS thread.
posted by eugenen at 2:57 PM on November 16, 2011 [7 favorites]
I hate this shit. Why is "huh, that's kind of cool, but oh, he has a lot of money, *vomit*" the default response? This isn't even an OWS thread.
posted by eugenen at 2:57 PM on November 16, 2011 [7 favorites]
Offal ain't new. I grew up eating stuffed beef heart, beef liver, chicken liver, fried chicken heart, gizzards. Now it's just cool to think about eating something icky.
posted by jgaiser at 2:57 PM on November 16, 2011 [1 favorite]
posted by jgaiser at 2:57 PM on November 16, 2011 [1 favorite]
Killin's easy. Butcherin' ain't.
posted by Halloween Jack at 2:59 PM on November 16, 2011 [7 favorites]
posted by Halloween Jack at 2:59 PM on November 16, 2011 [7 favorites]
There's nothing icky about offal. Unless "icky" in your local dialect means absolutely delicious. (The only possible problem is offal tends to be pretty high in fat and cholesterol.)
posted by kmz at 3:00 PM on November 16, 2011 [2 favorites]
posted by kmz at 3:00 PM on November 16, 2011 [2 favorites]
Are you speaking from experience? It's possible to connect with an animal very quickly, and then you still have the issue of it bleeding on you and what not. I get what you're saying, but there's nothing precluding a more "connected" experience than buying it at a supermarket simply because you didn't raise the thing you killed.
Point taken. I've hunted and slaughtered and I should say, in my own personal experience, killing something you've raised seems to give you a more connected experience.
I don't think that's a good thing.
posted by Malice at 3:01 PM on November 16, 2011 [1 favorite]
Point taken. I've hunted and slaughtered and I should say, in my own personal experience, killing something you've raised seems to give you a more connected experience.
I don't think that's a good thing.
posted by Malice at 3:01 PM on November 16, 2011 [1 favorite]
Here's my joke: "So he's eating our privacy?"
Haha.
Anyways, it's not inspiring. It's not inspiring that James Franco is getting a PHD either. These people can block off whatever time or activity they want without any loss for them. He could take a jet cross country at a moments notice to go shoot moose in Alaska in the afternoon. Well maybe I have to go to grocery store. Is it more carbon efficient than buying at the grocery store? Or whatever. Why would I be proud about this? So congratulations Zuckerberg you win again.
posted by Napierzaza at 3:01 PM on November 16, 2011 [1 favorite]
Haha.
Anyways, it's not inspiring. It's not inspiring that James Franco is getting a PHD either. These people can block off whatever time or activity they want without any loss for them. He could take a jet cross country at a moments notice to go shoot moose in Alaska in the afternoon. Well maybe I have to go to grocery store. Is it more carbon efficient than buying at the grocery store? Or whatever. Why would I be proud about this? So congratulations Zuckerberg you win again.
posted by Napierzaza at 3:01 PM on November 16, 2011 [1 favorite]
The linked article seems to indicate his sole purpose is being "more" in touch with where his food comes from, not "this is how everyone should do things" or "I'm going to be a one man food production line". This is a personal goal of his and I think it's a pretty admirable thing. He's eating less meat and apparently using more of the animal than just the "good bits." If my neighbor told me he was doing this I'd think "hey that's pretty cool, maybe I should do something like that."
posted by Slarty Bartfast at 3:03 PM on November 16, 2011 [7 favorites]
posted by Slarty Bartfast at 3:03 PM on November 16, 2011 [7 favorites]
My prediction: offal becomes the next hipster food.
We're already there. It's a natural extension of the charcuterie trend.
posted by Pruitt-Igoe at 2:53 PM on November 16 [1 favorite +] [!]
At the risk of talking about something interesting in a Zuck thread...
This is not a bad thing. Tenderloin is easy to cook well, and totally delicious, but it's not the most flavorful part of the animal, and if we're tossing aside half a cow for one cut, then we're doing something wrong. Cooking with the less commonly used parts of animals is more interesting to the cook, and leads to more diverse dishes, and hopefully better flavors.
If people are willing to put some more time into cooking to come up with interesting dishes, who are we to criticize them?
I'm not sure I'm ready to hop on the "less waste" bandwagon though. Maybe the price of dogfood, hotdogs, mcdonalds and glue will go up, but I'm pretty sure most animal byproducts were already going SOMEWHERE.
posted by Stagger Lee at 3:03 PM on November 16, 2011 [4 favorites]
It seems worth mentioning that Zuckerberg pledged to give half his wealth to charity, that buys more good will than killing his dinner in my books.
posted by Lorin at 3:03 PM on November 16, 2011
posted by Lorin at 3:03 PM on November 16, 2011
I wonder what Google Plus tastes like?
(that's a setup, don't disappoint me mefi)
posted by fleetmouse at 3:03 PM on November 16, 2011 [1 favorite]
(that's a setup, don't disappoint me mefi)
posted by fleetmouse at 3:03 PM on November 16, 2011 [1 favorite]
Point taken. I've hunted and slaughtered and I should say, in my own personal experience, killing something you've raised seems to give you a more connected experience.
I don't think that's a good thing.
Maybe we could just tape a herd of cows crying for their stolen yearlings, and listen to it on loop while we eat steak and cry.
posted by Stagger Lee at 3:05 PM on November 16, 2011 [1 favorite]
It's not inspiring that James Franco
Franco isn't exactly inspiring, no... more like terrifying, in a relentless, Terminator-like fashion. I'm pretty sure he doesn't sleep.
posted by mek at 3:07 PM on November 16, 2011 [2 favorites]
Franco isn't exactly inspiring, no... more like terrifying, in a relentless, Terminator-like fashion. I'm pretty sure he doesn't sleep.
posted by mek at 3:07 PM on November 16, 2011 [2 favorites]
Chicken heart, liver and gizzards are all delicious
Respectfully disagree. A friend of mine in Japan ordered a bowl of battered chicken organs once, which while I'm not sure which particular organ it was surely one of the above. It was bitter, black, chewy and nasty. Never again.
posted by Hoopo at 3:08 PM on November 16, 2011
Respectfully disagree. A friend of mine in Japan ordered a bowl of battered chicken organs once, which while I'm not sure which particular organ it was surely one of the above. It was bitter, black, chewy and nasty. Never again.
posted by Hoopo at 3:08 PM on November 16, 2011
"I just killed a pig and a goat." is a pretty awesome Facebook status update.
posted by smackfu at 3:08 PM on November 16, 2011 [1 favorite]
posted by smackfu at 3:08 PM on November 16, 2011 [1 favorite]
I was going to say that Mark Zuckerberg can kill my dick, but then I remembered I'm better than that.
Honestly, this is posturing, self-righteous bullshit. Does he also only drive cars he builds? Does he only wear sweaters he's knitted? Did he shear the sheep and spin the wool too? Bunch of wrong-headed bollocks.
posted by Decani at 3:09 PM on November 16, 2011 [1 favorite]
Honestly, this is posturing, self-righteous bullshit. Does he also only drive cars he builds? Does he only wear sweaters he's knitted? Did he shear the sheep and spin the wool too? Bunch of wrong-headed bollocks.
posted by Decani at 3:09 PM on November 16, 2011 [1 favorite]
i would do this too but it seems like way too much work to mercilessly slaughter all my enemies, much less cook and eat them.
posted by elizardbits at 3:17 PM on November 16, 2011 [1 favorite]
posted by elizardbits at 3:17 PM on November 16, 2011 [1 favorite]
Maybe we could just tape a herd of cows crying for their stolen yearlings, and listen to it on loop while we eat steak and cry.
I don't know what point you thought I was trying to make. I eat steak too.
posted by Malice at 3:17 PM on November 16, 2011
I don't know what point you thought I was trying to make. I eat steak too.
posted by Malice at 3:17 PM on November 16, 2011
He's doing this for attention. If he had to do it without telling anyone, the novelty would wear off real quick.
posted by davebush at 3:18 PM on November 16, 2011 [4 favorites]
posted by davebush at 3:18 PM on November 16, 2011 [4 favorites]
i would do this too but it seems like way too much work to mercilessly slaughter all my enemies, much less cook and eat them.
That's fine, but if you do, you really should. Otherwise the meat is just going to waste.
posted by TheWhiteSkull at 3:23 PM on November 16, 2011 [2 favorites]
That's fine, but if you do, you really should. Otherwise the meat is just going to waste.
posted by TheWhiteSkull at 3:23 PM on November 16, 2011 [2 favorites]
Honestly, this is posturing, self-righteous bullshit. Does he also only drive cars he builds? Does he only wear sweaters he's knitted? Did he shear the sheep and spin the wool too? Bunch of wrong-headed bollocks.
I agree with a large part of what you say. On the other hand, it seems like it is important to get at least some experience with where and under what circumstances your food is produced.
I don't think this means you should only eat what you kill. But I do think people who eat meat (myself definitely included) should at least get aquainted with the source of their food. They should probably slaughter at least a few of their own animals for food, so that they remember the experience occasionally when they sit down to eat.
I kind of see it from a Marxist perspective: not being totally alienated from the products of your (or others) labor. In this regard, yeah, I think it's a good idea for people to at least get acquainted with: what goes into making a car, or a sweater, or an iPhone for that matter.
Now, it sounds like most of Zuckerberg's slaughtering was done on sustainable farms, which don't really approximate the conditions of mass-market industries. But since the public doesn't really have access to those facilities, I think it's about as close an approximation as you're going to get.
posted by HabeasCorpus at 3:27 PM on November 16, 2011 [2 favorites]
I agree with a large part of what you say. On the other hand, it seems like it is important to get at least some experience with where and under what circumstances your food is produced.
I don't think this means you should only eat what you kill. But I do think people who eat meat (myself definitely included) should at least get aquainted with the source of their food. They should probably slaughter at least a few of their own animals for food, so that they remember the experience occasionally when they sit down to eat.
I kind of see it from a Marxist perspective: not being totally alienated from the products of your (or others) labor. In this regard, yeah, I think it's a good idea for people to at least get acquainted with: what goes into making a car, or a sweater, or an iPhone for that matter.
Now, it sounds like most of Zuckerberg's slaughtering was done on sustainable farms, which don't really approximate the conditions of mass-market industries. But since the public doesn't really have access to those facilities, I think it's about as close an approximation as you're going to get.
posted by HabeasCorpus at 3:27 PM on November 16, 2011 [2 favorites]
Big deal. My grandparents did this. I remember my grandma chopping heads off chickens, which was gross, but she made great chicken soup. As to chicken feet, we were in an Asian dim sum restaurant where just about everyone but us was Asian. They brought around some crispy stuff which looked good, but turned out to have very little meat. A smiling waiter came around and asked how we liked the chicken feet. They were not the best but neither of us were really grossed out because our grandmas had cooked them too.
I think Zuckerberg should go back to really daring stuff like wearing a tie for a year.
posted by mermayd at 3:40 PM on November 16, 2011
I think Zuckerberg should go back to really daring stuff like wearing a tie for a year.
posted by mermayd at 3:40 PM on November 16, 2011
Privileged dude is smugly superior about behaving in privileged manner.
I don't have any love for the Z but I don't see the smug or superior. He's not bragging or calling on anyone else do to this. You can think it's a stupid undertaking I suppose but I think the underlying idea has merit.
I think he's really missing out on a critical aspect by not butchering the meat himself but it's his goal, not mine.
posted by phearlez at 3:40 PM on November 16, 2011 [1 favorite]
I don't have any love for the Z but I don't see the smug or superior. He's not bragging or calling on anyone else do to this. You can think it's a stupid undertaking I suppose but I think the underlying idea has merit.
I think he's really missing out on a critical aspect by not butchering the meat himself but it's his goal, not mine.
posted by phearlez at 3:40 PM on November 16, 2011 [1 favorite]
I wonder what Google Plus tastes like?
By his own rule, Zuck will never know, given that its death is self-inflicted.
posted by acb at 3:56 PM on November 16, 2011 [2 favorites]
By his own rule, Zuck will never know, given that its death is self-inflicted.
posted by acb at 3:56 PM on November 16, 2011 [2 favorites]
He's doing this for attention. If he had to do it without telling anyone, the novelty would wear off real quick.
The dude invented Facebook and rejects the ideal of privacy. Sniping at him for doing things publicly is irrelevant; in his ideal Facebook world, there's no such thing as doing something and not telling people about it. Criticism of him on the basis of values he doesn't hold is meaningless.
posted by Errant at 4:01 PM on November 16, 2011 [3 favorites]
The dude invented Facebook and rejects the ideal of privacy. Sniping at him for doing things publicly is irrelevant; in his ideal Facebook world, there's no such thing as doing something and not telling people about it. Criticism of him on the basis of values he doesn't hold is meaningless.
posted by Errant at 4:01 PM on November 16, 2011 [3 favorites]
Mr Z is quite young and is learning diverse things. Where is the crime? He could do a lot worse.
It took Bill Gates a long time (and maybe marriage and children) to figure out that he should give back to the people who made him rich.
Give the kid some time.
posted by Cranberry at 4:03 PM on November 16, 2011 [2 favorites]
It took Bill Gates a long time (and maybe marriage and children) to figure out that he should give back to the people who made him rich.
Give the kid some time.
posted by Cranberry at 4:03 PM on November 16, 2011 [2 favorites]
I dunno - I think killing an animal humanly takes practice and skill, and as a one off thing - how cleanly and humanly did he manage it?
posted by gomichild at 4:05 PM on November 16, 2011
posted by gomichild at 4:05 PM on November 16, 2011
Good for him; most people in his social, economic and cultural background wouldn't have the guts (HA!) to do this.
Still not joining Facebook, though. Sorry Mr. Zuckerberg.
posted by infinitywaltz at 4:05 PM on November 16, 2011
Still not joining Facebook, though. Sorry Mr. Zuckerberg.
posted by infinitywaltz at 4:05 PM on November 16, 2011
Killing is just the kickoff. After that, the dead creatures go to a butcher in Santa Cruz, who cuts them into parts
This will not end well. Killing is the easy part. Butchering the animal is what separates the truly brave with the cowards.
Zuckerberg will move on to humans next year. But it's okay as he'll have them shipped in from Somalia or some Eastern European slave trade hub.
posted by Skygazer at 4:07 PM on November 16, 2011
This will not end well. Killing is the easy part. Butchering the animal is what separates the truly brave with the cowards.
Zuckerberg will move on to humans next year. But it's okay as he'll have them shipped in from Somalia or some Eastern European slave trade hub.
posted by Skygazer at 4:07 PM on November 16, 2011
i hate zuckerberg as much as the next person, but i can't summon a rage-on for this. so what if he didn't go whole hog (haha) and raise it himself? this is still miles closer to the food he eats than most, especially rich, people get.
I myself am not mad, just annoyed, because other than the fact that OMG he's Mark Zuckerburg there is no story here. Worshipping rich folk is just another type of celebrity worship, whether it's Zuckerburg, Gates, Jobs or Trump. Obscenely wealthy man kills a pig, news at 11.
posted by JHarris at 4:24 PM on November 16, 2011 [5 favorites]
I myself am not mad, just annoyed, because other than the fact that OMG he's Mark Zuckerburg there is no story here. Worshipping rich folk is just another type of celebrity worship, whether it's Zuckerburg, Gates, Jobs or Trump. Obscenely wealthy man kills a pig, news at 11.
posted by JHarris at 4:24 PM on November 16, 2011 [5 favorites]
The year after he blocked off an hour every day to learn Chinese. Maybe these things don't sound like much but that's some impressive discipline on his part. I know very few people who are able to take up new habits and do them every single day for a year.
It helps if everything else is done for you; that's what money buys. He can do anything he wants. Is that really a sign of focus and determination - or even fortitude? Personal value comes cheap these days.
That said, from where I stand, and what I've seen, he's certainly not a role model that most should emulate.
posted by Vibrissae at 4:38 PM on November 16, 2011 [1 favorite]
It helps if everything else is done for you; that's what money buys. He can do anything he wants. Is that really a sign of focus and determination - or even fortitude? Personal value comes cheap these days.
That said, from where I stand, and what I've seen, he's certainly not a role model that most should emulate.
posted by Vibrissae at 4:38 PM on November 16, 2011 [1 favorite]
Why do we care about this? Why is this notable? The yuppie who lives down the street from me pulls this kind of shit too, brings in hog carcasses in his XC90, it doesn't strike me as particularly admirable when he does it, why does it matter when Zuckerburg does it?
posted by sid at 4:39 PM on November 16, 2011 [1 favorite]
posted by sid at 4:39 PM on November 16, 2011 [1 favorite]
Call me when he manages to eat a steak while its still on the hoof.
Preferably with video.
posted by double block and bleed at 4:42 PM on November 16, 2011
Preferably with video.
posted by double block and bleed at 4:42 PM on November 16, 2011
So it wasn't clear to me -- did he end up actually learning Chinese? To what degree?
posted by garlic at 4:47 PM on November 16, 2011
posted by garlic at 4:47 PM on November 16, 2011
He recently ate a chicken, including the heart and liver, and used the feet to make stock.
My Italian Mom and nonna have been doing this since before Zuckerberg was born (minus the foot thing). I really wouldn't be shocked, if with a name like Zuckerberg he dosen't have relatives who did the same.
posted by jonmc at 4:54 PM on November 16, 2011 [1 favorite]
My Italian Mom and nonna have been doing this since before Zuckerberg was born (minus the foot thing). I really wouldn't be shocked, if with a name like Zuckerberg he dosen't have relatives who did the same.
posted by jonmc at 4:54 PM on November 16, 2011 [1 favorite]
It only becomes interesting if he must eat what he kills. Ants, slugs, flies, [honey badger don't care...].
posted by Namlit at 4:56 PM on November 16, 2011 [1 favorite]
posted by Namlit at 4:56 PM on November 16, 2011 [1 favorite]
"He's doing this for attention. If he had to do it without telling anyone, the novelty would wear off real quick."
Yeah. And that's sort of awesome, actually. For a variety of reasons. And it's certainly better than what I was doing at 27. It's also way better than how I imagine the majority of the filthy rich 1% is manifesting their introspection. I wonder where these goals will take him in 10 years?
I almost feel like we're getting to see someone very public and very powerful (and quite young to have those two things in the bag) show first signs of an exploration of a humanitarian mindset, in practical, everyday ways. It should be encouraged! Also, I try to picture what I'd think if one of my Facebook friends wrote that as a status. And then I imagine what Mark's friends think about his status. I wonder what thousands of teenagers who live their lives on FB think about this idea of eating only what you kill. Maybe they only talk about it briefly, or just click Like on someone's wall post of the story. But the idea is wedged in there now. It may stay there forever. It may creep and then splinter and then explode into a whole new way to be...perhaps new goals, vegetarianism, hunting, or maybe even journalism. God knows this article could have used some inspiration there.
He's just a dude in the world. With a crazy story and a lot of money. I'm glad it's not all Ferraris and coke and stupid tabloid BS that makes me hate FB more than I already do.
"While Zuckerberg's new diet hasn't exactly gone viral in the way that, say, Facebook has..."
This sentence is just terrible. It's like some sort of reverse zeugma where we're supposed to take the first part literally and...ewwww...
posted by iamkimiam at 5:06 PM on November 16, 2011 [5 favorites]
Yeah. And that's sort of awesome, actually. For a variety of reasons. And it's certainly better than what I was doing at 27. It's also way better than how I imagine the majority of the filthy rich 1% is manifesting their introspection. I wonder where these goals will take him in 10 years?
I almost feel like we're getting to see someone very public and very powerful (and quite young to have those two things in the bag) show first signs of an exploration of a humanitarian mindset, in practical, everyday ways. It should be encouraged! Also, I try to picture what I'd think if one of my Facebook friends wrote that as a status. And then I imagine what Mark's friends think about his status. I wonder what thousands of teenagers who live their lives on FB think about this idea of eating only what you kill. Maybe they only talk about it briefly, or just click Like on someone's wall post of the story. But the idea is wedged in there now. It may stay there forever. It may creep and then splinter and then explode into a whole new way to be...perhaps new goals, vegetarianism, hunting, or maybe even journalism. God knows this article could have used some inspiration there.
He's just a dude in the world. With a crazy story and a lot of money. I'm glad it's not all Ferraris and coke and stupid tabloid BS that makes me hate FB more than I already do.
"While Zuckerberg's new diet hasn't exactly gone viral in the way that, say, Facebook has..."
This sentence is just terrible. It's like some sort of reverse zeugma where we're supposed to take the first part literally and...ewwww...
posted by iamkimiam at 5:06 PM on November 16, 2011 [5 favorites]
in his ideal Facebook world, there's no such thing as doing something and not telling people about it
Enjoy yourself, Mark. I'll be over here, living in a different world.
posted by davebush at 5:17 PM on November 16, 2011
Enjoy yourself, Mark. I'll be over here, living in a different world.
posted by davebush at 5:17 PM on November 16, 2011
He's just a dude in the world.except not though
posted by This, of course, alludes to you at 5:36 PM on November 16, 2011 [1 favorite]
News!!! My old Greek neighbour picked weeds along the railway track AND ATE THEM!
We breed and raise a few beef cattle for sale. I name them, tame them and practise low stress farming techniques such as self-weaning and keeping the herd together. I could kill any one of my animals if I had to for humane purposes or to eat. The killing is easy. But I would find it really hard, emotionally, to butcher them. I'd have to give that job to someone else.
I'm not knocking what Mark Z has done, I just don't think it's that big a deal for anyone else but himself.
posted by Kerasia at 5:44 PM on November 16, 2011 [2 favorites]
We breed and raise a few beef cattle for sale. I name them, tame them and practise low stress farming techniques such as self-weaning and keeping the herd together. I could kill any one of my animals if I had to for humane purposes or to eat. The killing is easy. But I would find it really hard, emotionally, to butcher them. I'd have to give that job to someone else.
I'm not knocking what Mark Z has done, I just don't think it's that big a deal for anyone else but himself.
posted by Kerasia at 5:44 PM on November 16, 2011 [2 favorites]
I just don't think it's that big a deal for anyone else but himself.
I guess that's why he calls them "personal challenges" then.
posted by Marisa Stole the Precious Thing at 5:50 PM on November 16, 2011 [5 favorites]
I guess that's why he calls them "personal challenges" then.
posted by Marisa Stole the Precious Thing at 5:50 PM on November 16, 2011 [5 favorites]
I revel in my animal nature. I kill to eat. I kill to avoid being killed. I eat raw flesh. I sniff the butts of other animals to find a clue to my next meal. I started a site called FecesBook especially for that purpose. The site was successful. I became a billionaire. I started eating caviar and drinking champagne. I got bored.
I hunger for flesh.
Keepin' it real.
Mark
posted by twoleftfeet at 6:05 PM on November 16, 2011 [1 favorite]
I hunger for flesh.
Keepin' it real.
Mark
posted by twoleftfeet at 6:05 PM on November 16, 2011 [1 favorite]
And it's certainly better than what I was doing at 27. It's also way better than how I imagine the majority of the filthy rich 1% is manifesting their introspection. I wonder where these goals will take him in 10 years?
Oh god he's only 27? I thought I felt old and unaccomplished when Starlin Castro got an everyday gig with the Cubs.
posted by Snarl Furillo at 6:13 PM on November 16, 2011
Oh god he's only 27? I thought I felt old and unaccomplished when Starlin Castro got an everyday gig with the Cubs.
posted by Snarl Furillo at 6:13 PM on November 16, 2011
In all seriousness though, who cares? Privileged dude is smugly superior about behaving in privileged manner. That's sure newsworthy.
Ah quit with this. Dude made himself a billionaire, created one of the largest companies and maybe the largest presence in the world and you're slagging him as privileged. Maybe you ought to focus that energy on accomplishing something of your own a little larger than snark on Metafilter.
posted by xmutex at 6:19 PM on November 16, 2011 [3 favorites]
Ah quit with this. Dude made himself a billionaire, created one of the largest companies and maybe the largest presence in the world and you're slagging him as privileged. Maybe you ought to focus that energy on accomplishing something of your own a little larger than snark on Metafilter.
posted by xmutex at 6:19 PM on November 16, 2011 [3 favorites]
Dude made himself a billionaire, created one of the largest companies and maybe the largest presence in the world and you're slagging him as privileged.
I don't resent the guy for being successful, facebook is remarkable, but I don't see why him doing this is newsworthy or discussion-worthy.
posted by sid at 6:22 PM on November 16, 2011
I don't resent the guy for being successful, facebook is remarkable, but I don't see why him doing this is newsworthy or discussion-worthy.
posted by sid at 6:22 PM on November 16, 2011
We live on a farm. Most of our friends don't. While literally dozens of people have talked to me about how they'd love to come out and help process chickens/hogs so they could be closer to their food, and while I dutifully call the last n people I can remember who've made the suggestion each time we butcher, no one comes. So I give him credit for doing the killing.
But ++ to everyone who points out that killing is only one small part of converting something walking around the yard into food. Butchering is a whole 'nother thing.
posted by farmerd at 6:28 PM on November 16, 2011 [4 favorites]
But ++ to everyone who points out that killing is only one small part of converting something walking around the yard into food. Butchering is a whole 'nother thing.
posted by farmerd at 6:28 PM on November 16, 2011 [4 favorites]
Hm. Well, he killed his own website, so I guess he has his dinner covered for awhile.
posted by Mael Oui at 6:54 PM on November 16, 2011
posted by Mael Oui at 6:54 PM on November 16, 2011
I think it's funny that the Zuck only has 847 Facebook friends. Shouldn't he be more popular than that?
posted by bendy at 7:02 PM on November 16, 2011
posted by bendy at 7:02 PM on November 16, 2011
Tom had way more friends than that.
posted by Pruitt-Igoe at 7:04 PM on November 16, 2011 [2 favorites]
posted by Pruitt-Igoe at 7:04 PM on November 16, 2011 [2 favorites]
You don't get to 500 million 847 friends without making a few enemies.
posted by cazoo at 7:14 PM on November 16, 2011
posted by cazoo at 7:14 PM on November 16, 2011
Shouldn't he be more popular than that?
Subscribers (9,622,454)
posted by smackfu at 7:37 PM on November 16, 2011
Subscribers (9,622,454)
posted by smackfu at 7:37 PM on November 16, 2011
Mark Zuckerberg only eats what he kills.
...just like a goodly portion of all human beings who have ever lived.
Besides, as other have already said, its the process of turning a carcass into supper(s) that counts.
posted by Chrischris at 7:48 PM on November 16, 2011
...just like a goodly portion of all human beings who have ever lived.
Besides, as other have already said, its the process of turning a carcass into supper(s) that counts.
posted by Chrischris at 7:48 PM on November 16, 2011
See, I'm like Mark Zuckerberg, I kill what I eat
GREAT BIG THING CRAWLIN' ALL OVER ME
GREAT BIG THING CRAWLIN' ALL OVER ME
GREAT BIG THING CRAWLIN' ALL OVER ME
posted by Lazlo Hollyfeld at 7:50 PM on November 16, 2011
GREAT BIG THING CRAWLIN' ALL OVER ME
GREAT BIG THING CRAWLIN' ALL OVER ME
GREAT BIG THING CRAWLIN' ALL OVER ME
posted by Lazlo Hollyfeld at 7:50 PM on November 16, 2011
My prediction: offal becomes the next hipster food.
posted by midmarch snowman at 8:27 PM on November 16, 2011
We're already there. It's a natural extension of the charcuterie trend.Quoted for truth. Went to visit a friend in Chicago a couple years ago and her hipster roommate was in the process of making his own sausage when I stopped by. This year they both work in a hipster wine bar where I dined on heart.
posted by midmarch snowman at 8:27 PM on November 16, 2011
I find it encouraging that someone of his age and means has this kind of introspective drive. As someone mentioned above, at least he's not all about hookers and blow. So he's a bit of an attention whore. There's plenty of those in the world and it's not justification for offhand dismissal in my book.
Killing for meat was never a great mystery for me, it was just a function of living. Great grandma cut the heads off chickens for dinner then threw the headless bodies on the ground to run around for their last few moments, I had experienced the complete life cycle of dairy and beef cattle before I hit third grade, and everyone in my family hunted at one point or another. It was just a fundamental thing that the meat on the table was once a living being. It was interesting later in life running into people who had never even thought about this and watching them work through the reality of it. It made me think about my assumptions of other peoples experiences and views of the world and how things work.
Also, judging from the comments in the thread I may be a little weird, but the killing was always more challenging than the butchering. I still distinctly remember the last breath of the first deer I killed. It was actually a more powerful experience than the killing of an animal we had raised. The butchering was just a skill to be mastered, like woodworking. And getting to eat the offal and other bits that don't make it to local supermarket is the best part of doing it yourself, home made sausage, back strap jerky, fresh liver and onions. Yum!
posted by calamari kid at 8:46 PM on November 16, 2011 [3 favorites]
Killing for meat was never a great mystery for me, it was just a function of living. Great grandma cut the heads off chickens for dinner then threw the headless bodies on the ground to run around for their last few moments, I had experienced the complete life cycle of dairy and beef cattle before I hit third grade, and everyone in my family hunted at one point or another. It was just a fundamental thing that the meat on the table was once a living being. It was interesting later in life running into people who had never even thought about this and watching them work through the reality of it. It made me think about my assumptions of other peoples experiences and views of the world and how things work.
Also, judging from the comments in the thread I may be a little weird, but the killing was always more challenging than the butchering. I still distinctly remember the last breath of the first deer I killed. It was actually a more powerful experience than the killing of an animal we had raised. The butchering was just a skill to be mastered, like woodworking. And getting to eat the offal and other bits that don't make it to local supermarket is the best part of doing it yourself, home made sausage, back strap jerky, fresh liver and onions. Yum!
posted by calamari kid at 8:46 PM on November 16, 2011 [3 favorites]
Mark Zuckerberg only eats what he kills.
I guess that leaves out vegetables and/or dairy.
posted by LeLiLo at 9:26 PM on November 16, 2011
I guess that leaves out vegetables and/or dairy.
posted by LeLiLo at 9:26 PM on November 16, 2011
I guess that leaves out vegetables...
Not according to The Sound Machine
posted by Kerasia at 10:09 PM on November 16, 2011
Not according to The Sound Machine
posted by Kerasia at 10:09 PM on November 16, 2011
"Mark Zuckerberg only eats what he kills."
'Better not visit the HR department. It's a real bloodbath in there right now...'
posted by markkraft at 10:38 PM on November 16, 2011 [1 favorite]
'Better not visit the HR department. It's a real bloodbath in there right now...'
posted by markkraft at 10:38 PM on November 16, 2011 [1 favorite]
I knew a family with a small bit of land. They raised a couple calves for food every year, had a cow. A really sweet cow who was very good with those calves. They kept chickens, and would go hunting for a bear, a deer or two and maybe an elk.
The animals they kept and raised for food were all let into the house, a log cabin with concrete floors.
They used to say, 'You must think we are crazy letting the animals in and naming and petting them!' I told them it wasn't nuts at all. The animals to my mind deserved as much kindness as possible. I mean they were keeping the humans alive and healthy. I used to let the chickens sit on my lap. I admit that these chickens gave good eggs and when it was time to eat them, they were delicious.
They took their life mostly for granted.
posted by Katjusa Roquette at 11:59 PM on November 16, 2011
The animals they kept and raised for food were all let into the house, a log cabin with concrete floors.
They used to say, 'You must think we are crazy letting the animals in and naming and petting them!' I told them it wasn't nuts at all. The animals to my mind deserved as much kindness as possible. I mean they were keeping the humans alive and healthy. I used to let the chickens sit on my lap. I admit that these chickens gave good eggs and when it was time to eat them, they were delicious.
They took their life mostly for granted.
posted by Katjusa Roquette at 11:59 PM on November 16, 2011
Oh and weeds? Dandelions are very tasty for salad. Stinging nettles make awesome soup. those of us who aren't afraid to eat a weed or rwo will survive The Zombie Appocalypse. The rest who won't learn what weeds are good food are not making it. Sorry!
posted by Katjusa Roquette at 12:03 AM on November 17, 2011
posted by Katjusa Roquette at 12:03 AM on November 17, 2011
Kills own meat, check.
Speaks a language I don't understand, check.
Now if I can just convince my cat to wear a tie every day for a year, maybe he'll invent Feline Facebook!
WE'LL BE ZILLIONAIRES C'MON KITTY WEAR THE TIE OW OW STOP OW OW OW
posted by BitterOldPunk at 12:11 AM on November 17, 2011 [2 favorites]
Speaks a language I don't understand, check.
Now if I can just convince my cat to wear a tie every day for a year, maybe he'll invent Feline Facebook!
WE'LL BE ZILLIONAIRES C'MON KITTY WEAR THE TIE OW OW STOP OW OW OW
posted by BitterOldPunk at 12:11 AM on November 17, 2011 [2 favorites]
I guess that leaves out vegetables... Not according to The Sound Machine
Hah. I never knew that was on TV. I read the original Roald Dahl story about 50 (!) years ago, in one of those Alfred Hitchcock Presents paperback collections.
posted by LeLiLo at 12:28 AM on November 17, 2011
Hah. I never knew that was on TV. I read the original Roald Dahl story about 50 (!) years ago, in one of those Alfred Hitchcock Presents paperback collections.
posted by LeLiLo at 12:28 AM on November 17, 2011
The Naked Lunch: A frozen moment when everybody sees what's on the end of every fork'.
I agree with iamkimiam, any attention paid to food systems is better than none. How many meat eaters would take this step if they had the chance?
With traders speculating on food prices causing volatility in food markets and contributing to famine, it is a good time to wrestle back control of your food supply chains.
posted by asok at 3:13 AM on November 17, 2011
I agree with iamkimiam, any attention paid to food systems is better than none. How many meat eaters would take this step if they had the chance?
With traders speculating on food prices causing volatility in food markets and contributing to famine, it is a good time to wrestle back control of your food supply chains.
posted by asok at 3:13 AM on November 17, 2011
So Mark Zuckerberg's a Necromonger? Explains a lot, I suppose.
posted by McCoy Pauley at 3:53 AM on November 17, 2011
posted by McCoy Pauley at 3:53 AM on November 17, 2011
' "He cut the throat of the goat with a knife, which is the most kind way to do it," says Cool. '
Perhaps that is the kindest way to kill an animal, but, it seems to me, that if you want to be kind to animals, you don't kill them.
posted by oddman at 4:02 AM on November 17, 2011 [1 favorite]
Perhaps that is the kindest way to kill an animal, but, it seems to me, that if you want to be kind to animals, you don't kill them.
posted by oddman at 4:02 AM on November 17, 2011 [1 favorite]
I think what he is doing is pretty cool. Instead of acting like eating meat is some horrible thing that some elitists vegetarians like to spew he decided to tackle it in a different angle.
Look, for all you meat haters, humans are omnivores. OMNIVORES!!!! We always needed protein to survive and used animals as that source. And for the animals that are omnivores and carnivores they would love to take a bite out of us if we were their food source. For those who can't stand meat, I hope you have your protein source because without it you can get sick. But please leave everyone else alone who either are trying to find a resolution about eating meat in today's food industry or who simply do not care how they get the meat.
posted by LilSoulBrother85 at 7:32 AM on November 17, 2011
Look, for all you meat haters, humans are omnivores. OMNIVORES!!!! We always needed protein to survive and used animals as that source. And for the animals that are omnivores and carnivores they would love to take a bite out of us if we were their food source. For those who can't stand meat, I hope you have your protein source because without it you can get sick. But please leave everyone else alone who either are trying to find a resolution about eating meat in today's food industry or who simply do not care how they get the meat.
posted by LilSoulBrother85 at 7:32 AM on November 17, 2011
I find it encouraging that someone of his age and means has this kind of introspective drive.
Um. 27 is young, but it's not that young. He's almost 30. What the hell are 27 year olds supposed to be doing? Have we reached a point in this world where we expect everyone to be irresponsible and drink beer and party and make bad decisions until they're 50?
Because no one let me in on that.
posted by Malice at 8:05 AM on November 17, 2011 [1 favorite]
Um. 27 is young, but it's not that young. He's almost 30. What the hell are 27 year olds supposed to be doing? Have we reached a point in this world where we expect everyone to be irresponsible and drink beer and party and make bad decisions until they're 50?
Because no one let me in on that.
posted by Malice at 8:05 AM on November 17, 2011 [1 favorite]
I'm more worried about Facebook continually tracking the last three months of my web history every time I log in or land on a page with a Facebook like button than I am about what Zuckerberg stuffs in his face.
posted by blucevalo at 9:26 AM on November 17, 2011
posted by blucevalo at 9:26 AM on November 17, 2011
Um. 27 is young, but it's not that young. He's almost 30. What the hell are 27 year olds supposed to be doing? Have we reached a point in this world where we expect everyone to be irresponsible and drink beer and party and make bad decisions until they're 50?
Because no one let me in on that.
Good point. I sometimes lose sight of the fact that we're not a nation composed mostly of shallow adolescents, despite all evidence to the contrary. I blame it on early onset curmudgeonhood.
posted by calamari kid at 10:27 AM on November 17, 2011 [1 favorite]
Because no one let me in on that.
Good point. I sometimes lose sight of the fact that we're not a nation composed mostly of shallow adolescents, despite all evidence to the contrary. I blame it on early onset curmudgeonhood.
posted by calamari kid at 10:27 AM on November 17, 2011 [1 favorite]
I don't kill what I eat, but I do like to go to the supermarket and assign names to the packages of meat.
posted by malocchio at 10:27 AM on November 17, 2011
posted by malocchio at 10:27 AM on November 17, 2011
I do like to go to the supermarket and assign names to the packages of meat
What, like "Old Sock," "Shiny Moldy," "Goatee the Great" (lamb chops), "Mr. Cluck's, 2nd edition" (chicken fillets, last day), "Dentist's Delight," (don't ask)...?
Or is it more like "Hank", "Joe," "another Joe," "A third Joe, but from last week," "Tom" (hey, Jerry is over there in the freezer), "Tutamchamon," "Moby Dick," and "The Catcher of the Fly"?
I think I'm gonna buy a marker pen. This sounds very promising.
posted by Namlit at 12:25 PM on November 17, 2011
What, like "Old Sock," "Shiny Moldy," "Goatee the Great" (lamb chops), "Mr. Cluck's, 2nd edition" (chicken fillets, last day), "Dentist's Delight," (don't ask)...?
Or is it more like "Hank", "Joe," "another Joe," "A third Joe, but from last week," "Tom" (hey, Jerry is over there in the freezer), "Tutamchamon," "Moby Dick," and "The Catcher of the Fly"?
I think I'm gonna buy a marker pen. This sounds very promising.
posted by Namlit at 12:25 PM on November 17, 2011
Yeah, it's more like "You want to buy Fred?! No, don't touch Fred, he's only a day away from expiring. Here, take Ralph...he's been getting on my nerves all day."
posted by malocchio at 1:00 PM on November 17, 2011
posted by malocchio at 1:00 PM on November 17, 2011
Ralph??. I am not going to eat anything that's called Ralph. [Goes offstage to the right. Agonized coughing]
posted by Namlit at 1:11 PM on November 17, 2011 [2 favorites]
posted by Namlit at 1:11 PM on November 17, 2011 [2 favorites]
...like bringing splenda to sugartown
posted by Fupped Duck at 2:04 PM on November 17, 2011
posted by Fupped Duck at 2:04 PM on November 17, 2011
sid: "I don't resent the guy for being successful, facebook is remarkable, but I don't see why him doing this is newsworthy or discussion-worthy."
Then why are you discussing it?
posted by dripdripdrop at 2:16 PM on November 17, 2011
Then why are you discussing it?
posted by dripdripdrop at 2:16 PM on November 17, 2011
Oh gosh, let's see.
Look, for all you meat haters, You don't need to hate meat to have a problem with hot meat is made. A minor point, but one worth making. (Similarly, you can love diamonds and yet refuse to buy ones that come from questionable sources.)
humans are omnivores. OMNIVORES!!!! We can indeed eat most anything, that doesn't mean we should. In fact there is plenty of evidence that meat is bad for us (ask Bill Clinton's doctor).
We always needed protein to survive and used animals as that source. We do need protein, of course. And we did traditionally get that from animals, but for first world people that's no longer a requirement. Again, being able to do something, does not actually constitute a reason to do it. If you have moral concerns about how meat is produced, the fact that our ancestors needed meat (while we don't) is a really stupid reason to ignore your moral concerns.
And for the animals that are omnivores and carnivores they would love to take a bite out of us if we were their food source. So we should be no better than animals? That's the standard of behavior that you would suggest for us?
For those who can't stand meat, I hope you have your protein source because without it you can get sick. Thanks for the good hope, but again, you can love meat and detest they way it's produced, and again, meat can make you sick, too.
But please leave everyone else alone who either are trying to find a resolution about eating meat in today's food industry If you don't like how animals are treated in the ranching industry the best way to affect change is simply to stop eating that meat.
or who simply do not care how they get the meat. If one thinks an action is unethical, letting someone else engage in that activity is not usually an option. I find this last suggestion of yours to be really bizarre. You are basically suggesting an odd attitude: "See that guy over he doesn't care about right and wrong. So, just leave him alone." Huh?
posted by oddman at 8:11 PM on November 18, 2011
Look, for all you meat haters, You don't need to hate meat to have a problem with hot meat is made. A minor point, but one worth making. (Similarly, you can love diamonds and yet refuse to buy ones that come from questionable sources.)
humans are omnivores. OMNIVORES!!!! We can indeed eat most anything, that doesn't mean we should. In fact there is plenty of evidence that meat is bad for us (ask Bill Clinton's doctor).
We always needed protein to survive and used animals as that source. We do need protein, of course. And we did traditionally get that from animals, but for first world people that's no longer a requirement. Again, being able to do something, does not actually constitute a reason to do it. If you have moral concerns about how meat is produced, the fact that our ancestors needed meat (while we don't) is a really stupid reason to ignore your moral concerns.
And for the animals that are omnivores and carnivores they would love to take a bite out of us if we were their food source. So we should be no better than animals? That's the standard of behavior that you would suggest for us?
For those who can't stand meat, I hope you have your protein source because without it you can get sick. Thanks for the good hope, but again, you can love meat and detest they way it's produced, and again, meat can make you sick, too.
But please leave everyone else alone who either are trying to find a resolution about eating meat in today's food industry If you don't like how animals are treated in the ranching industry the best way to affect change is simply to stop eating that meat.
or who simply do not care how they get the meat. If one thinks an action is unethical, letting someone else engage in that activity is not usually an option. I find this last suggestion of yours to be really bizarre. You are basically suggesting an odd attitude: "See that guy over he doesn't care about right and wrong. So, just leave him alone." Huh?
posted by oddman at 8:11 PM on November 18, 2011
« Older Pioneers are just faceless figurines in museums | Conqueror Worm Newer »
This thread has been archived and is closed to new comments
posted by mccarty.tim at 2:38 PM on November 16, 2011 [74 favorites]