Ferguson Remembers
August 9, 2015 12:29 PM   Subscribe

 


Thanks for putting all this together, ArtW.

The weirdest thing about this year being such a big deal is that this stuff has always been going on, but some combination of videocameras/social media/outrage/media finally paying some attention coalesced in a way that made ignoring it impossible. I'm still afraid all us well-meaning white people will get outrage fatigue and stop paying attention and that awareness goes away.
posted by emjaybee at 1:07 PM on August 9, 2015 [7 favorites]


One year, 314 more black men shot by police.

314
posted by feckless fecal fear mongering at 1:14 PM on August 9, 2015 [34 favorites]


From The Post article:

So far this year, 24 unarmed black men have been shot and killed by police - one every nine days, according to a Washington Post database of fatal police shootings. During a single two-week period in April, three unarmed black men were shot and killed. All three shootings were either captured on video or, in one case, broadcast live on local TV.

Those 24 cases constitute a surprisingly small fraction of the 585 people shot and killed by police through Friday evening, according to The Post database. Most of those killed were white or Hispanic, and the vast majority of victims of all races were armed.

However, black men accounted for 40 percent of the 60 unarmed deaths, even though they make up just 6 percent of the U.S. population. The Post's analysis shows that black men were seven times more likely than white men to die by police gunfire while unarmed.

posted by Artw at 1:16 PM on August 9, 2015 [4 favorites]




Artw or anyone else in Seattle... Any insights as to why the Black Lives Matter folks interrupted the Bernie Saunders speech yesterday?
posted by Nevin at 1:34 PM on August 9, 2015


I'd say that's probably better dealt with in this thread.
posted by Artw at 1:36 PM on August 9, 2015 [1 favorite]


Because they are misguided?
posted by smidgen at 1:36 PM on August 9, 2015 [2 favorites]


what?
posted by feckless fecal fear mongering at 1:39 PM on August 9, 2015 [4 favorites]




Happened to listen to this podcast earlier: R4 Analysis: Why do American police kill so many black men?

Basically instinctual racism* and aggressive / militaristic police recruiting, training and practice

*Which seems to be race independent - Even black police officers kill more black men
posted by fearfulsymmetry at 1:41 PM on August 9, 2015 [3 favorites]


Yeah, the thread Artw pointed to expands that idea in more depth.
posted by smidgen at 1:42 PM on August 9, 2015


This American Life did a good episode on the issue of police violence/instinctual discrimination against blacks a while back.
posted by Gymnopedist at 1:47 PM on August 9, 2015 [3 favorites]


Jake Halpern's New Yorker profile of Darren Wilson, the cop involved.
posted by Paul Slade at 1:52 PM on August 9, 2015




I've started hearing about people getting motivated to make a human rights complaint to the UN. I'm sure those things go slow, but it would be a great thing to be a part of the election.

UN's Basic Principles on the use of Force and Firearms by Law Enforcement Officials, Principle #9
posted by rhizome at 2:00 PM on August 9, 2015 [3 favorites]


[Yeah, let's maybe keep the Sanders/BLM thing to the existing thread and maybe only if it's something new to that actual thread and not just a rehash for the sake of rehashing.]
posted by cortex (staff) at 2:06 PM on August 9, 2015 [2 favorites]


“Run The Jewels on Ferguson: 'Riots work,'” BBC, 06 August 2015
posted by ob1quixote at 2:06 PM on August 9, 2015 [9 favorites]


I'd say that's probably better dealt with in this thread.

Ah, thanks, I hadn't seen that. The whole thread (and the comments on the Stranger article) seem to reinforce the idea that black folks in the States are experiencing a crisis.
posted by Nevin at 2:24 PM on August 9, 2015 [1 favorite]




I learned more about my country, my family, my friends, my neighbors, and myself this year than all my past years put together. We're not backing down and we're not going back. "The movement lives" and we're going to win.

Black lives matter.
posted by sallybrown at 2:50 PM on August 9, 2015 [37 favorites]


Also, when I was a kid I spent a lot of time wondering how it was not blindly obvious to everyone in the US that segregation was a putrid, immoral, irrational, harmful system, how it possibly survived as long as it did with so many seemingly reasonable people in this country, and what I and the people around me would have done if I'd lived back then. It is now crystal clear.
posted by sallybrown at 3:01 PM on August 9, 2015 [24 favorites]




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posted by limeonaire at 3:39 PM on August 9, 2015 [10 favorites]




I've started hearing about people getting motivated to make a human rights complaint to the UN. I'm sure those things go slow, but it would be a great thing to be a part of the election.

I cannot think of a worse way to lose public support. When have Americans ever welcomed outside opinion on domestic matters, let alone from the UN? Then this becomes a distraction over the UN and American sovereignty and not the issue at hand.
posted by boubelium at 3:55 PM on August 9, 2015




. times too God-damned many

Black lives matter.
posted by double block and bleed at 4:12 PM on August 9, 2015


So armed black men aren't disproportionately more likely to be shot than armed white or Hispanic men, but unarmed black men are disproportionately more likely to be shot than unarmed men of other races? That's the fact at the center of all this. I would have assumed police were also more likely to shoot armed black men then armed men of other races.

It seems like that must mean that police are more likely to see black men as inherently dangerous. Which I guess we sort of knew already but it's good to have facts and data to back that up. I don't think it's just police either, it's society as a whole.
posted by Justinian at 4:59 PM on August 9, 2015 [2 favorites]


Uh, to back up the idea that police (or society) sees black men as inherently dangerous in a way they don't view men of other races. Not data that shows that they actually are more dangerous. I think it should be obvious that's what I meant but better to be clear.
posted by Justinian at 5:01 PM on August 9, 2015


The US general population is 13% Black, at least 25%* of the shootings are of black people, so it doesn't look good that way either.

Leaving out other and unknown.
posted by Artw at 5:29 PM on August 9, 2015


One year, 314 more black men shot by police.

Morbidly appropriate, as 314 is St. Louis's area code.
posted by saul wright at 5:55 PM on August 9, 2015 [3 favorites]


there's a project related to this (sorry if it's already been linked here - couldn't see it).
posted by andrewcooke at 6:17 PM on August 9, 2015 [2 favorites]






Sounds from Twitter like something is going down with police and protestors in Ferguson tonight, but I'm not finding much actual news coverage.
posted by Artw at 9:40 PM on August 9, 2015


That's because it literally just happened. Seems like all we know is that someone was shot and someone was arrested while filming the victim (THIS LINK CONTAINS VIDEO OF A SHOOTING VICTIM)
posted by desjardins at 9:44 PM on August 9, 2015 [2 favorites]


If you're not sure who to follow on Twitter, I maintain a curated list of people who tweet about Ferguson and #BlackLivesMatter - many of them are on the ground right now.
posted by desjardins at 9:48 PM on August 9, 2015 [8 favorites]


Christ.
posted by cortex at 9:59 PM on August 9, 2015 [1 favorite]


i have no words.
posted by nadawi at 10:02 PM on August 9, 2015 [1 favorite]


desjardins: “That's because it literally just happened. Seems like all we know is that someone was shot and someone was arrested while filming the victim (THIS LINK CONTAINS VIDEO OF A SHOOTING VICTIM)”
Do not read the reply tweets. I repeat do not read the reply tweets. Jesus wept.
posted by ob1quixote at 10:06 PM on August 9, 2015 [1 favorite]


Here's a good LiveStream in Ferguson that's streaming now:

Rebelutionary_Z LIVE (St. Louis)
posted by spinifex23 at 10:31 PM on August 9, 2015


Jesus fucking Christ.

This is why every last one of these incompetent fucks should have been fired a year ago.
posted by Artw at 10:52 PM on August 9, 2015 [2 favorites]


:(

It was a year ago that I stayed up every night this late, watching it all unfold, witnessing it, because it was important, in case the police's story changed later (and it did so often change later). Seeing this happen again is heartbreaking.
posted by limeonaire at 11:23 PM on August 9, 2015 [2 favorites]


County police confirm shooting at Ferguson protest

12:00 a.m.

St. Louis County Police say an officer who came under heavy gunfire returned shots amid a protest in Ferguson.

The department confirmed the shooting in a statement on Sunday night, less than an hour after shots rang out as hundreds had gathered to mark the anniversary of the death of Michael Brown. The police department tweeted that at least two unmarked cars were hit by gunfire.

It wasn't immediately clear whether any one was injured in the shooting, but minutes after the shots were heard, an Associated Press photographer saw a man lying face down, covered in blood, behind a boarded-up restaurant. It wasn't immediately clear how badly the man was injured.

Later, an AP reporter saw a woman overcome with grief. Friends were consoling her. She screamed: "Why did they do it?" Another woman nearby fainted.

A man nearby said, "They killed my brother."

posted by Artw at 11:45 PM on August 9, 2015 [3 favorites]


"Returning fire" seems to be the narrative. This apparently involves shooting whoever is closest at random. That'll probably be considered justified too, holy fucking Christ.
posted by Artw at 11:49 PM on August 9, 2015 [2 favorites]


Looks like it's a battle of anniversaries. Wonder what Bob McCulloch is doing this week.
posted by rhizome at 12:12 AM on August 10, 2015 [2 favorites]


“Two shot in Ferguson amid standoff between police, protesters,” Carey Gillam, Reuters, 10 August 2015
posted by ob1quixote at 1:33 AM on August 10, 2015 [1 favorite]


Oh God. I went to bed following #Ferguson on Twitter, and when I woke up and checked in and realised another life had been taken by the Police and they were starting to teargas people I felt like weeping. I cannot imagine the feelings of Black people in the US today.
posted by billiebee at 2:36 AM on August 10, 2015 [1 favorite]


When I was a kid I read a satirical SF story about police on duty - as a matter of standing orders - firing wildly into the crowd, as a population control measure. It's becoming less fictional every year.
posted by Joe in Australia at 2:56 AM on August 10, 2015 [1 favorite]


Wesley Lowery of the Washington Post is a good source to follow on this breaking news, if you're looking for a reporter who doesn't just recycle police press releases.
posted by sallybrown at 4:21 AM on August 10, 2015 [2 favorites]


Barring some more verification, i'm extremely skeptical of the "gun battle" narrative already. I just can't shake the idea, now that i'm not in complete and utter fucking shock and like shaking, that this is some kind of cops-think-someone-has-a-gun scenario.
posted by emptythought at 4:48 AM on August 10, 2015


Two shot is what I wake up to on Tumblr, there are no words.
posted by odinsdream at 5:21 AM on August 10, 2015 [1 favorite]




And another video.
posted by Seymour Zamboni at 5:42 AM on August 10, 2015






the girlfriend of the teen shot by police says they were running to their car when the shooting started and a cop just opened fire on them. she is adamant they weren't involved. his family is being barred from seeing him at the hospital.
posted by nadawi at 6:32 AM on August 10, 2015 [3 favorites]


the teen's name is tyronne harris. he was friends with mike brown.
posted by nadawi at 7:05 AM on August 10, 2015


In before the apologists: it makes me furious that cops were in plainclothes unmarked cars during this event, and apparently were involved in the shooting. That's going to look indistinguishable from civilians shooting at you, if you're someone in a crowd.
posted by odinsdream at 7:19 AM on August 10, 2015 [9 favorites]


it makes me furious that cops were in plainclothes unmarked cars during this event, and apparently were involved in the shooting. That's going to look indistinguishable from civilians shooting at you, if you're someone in a crowd.

I want to say something about gun culture, but ... America?
posted by Mezentian at 7:34 AM on August 10, 2015


This is where we are; the cops have so poisoned things that you can never really know if somebody they shoot/arrest was actually a dangerous person or was just someone they picked out at random and decided to go after. Given how eager they are to smear the people they shoot, how would you ever know what really happened?
posted by emjaybee at 7:36 AM on August 10, 2015 [11 favorites]




Because of course they do. What the actual fuck is wrong with people.
posted by odinsdream at 8:20 AM on August 10, 2015 [7 favorites]


Chicago Police release a frankly unreal How To Stay Safe / Not Get Shot guide
posted by fearfulsymmetry at 11:15 AM on August 10, 2015 [4 favorites]


Can anyone tell me what is up with the comments on the NYTimes coverage of this latest Ferguson incident? The top-rated comments are all terrible. I don't remember this being the case on prior NYTimes pieces.
posted by peacheater at 11:25 AM on August 10, 2015


Chicago Police release a frankly unreal How To Stay Safe / Not Get Shot guide

Point 2 there flatly contradicted by every other point.
posted by Artw at 11:27 AM on August 10, 2015 [1 favorite]


Chicago Police release a frankly unreal How To Stay Safe / Not Get Shot guide

"Remember - confrontation leads to confrontation"

Not if you train your cops to de-escalate situations rather than tacitly providing them official cover to respond to anger with bullets.
posted by Etrigan at 11:31 AM on August 10, 2015 [2 favorites]


DeRay McKesson and Johnetta Elzie were just arrested in St. Louis, along with some other protestors.

Don't have the words to describe how hard I am hoping that they stay safe.
posted by sallybrown at 11:35 AM on August 10, 2015 [5 favorites]


Deray McKesson (second link in FPP) just got taken into custody - not sure if as a general sweep of protestors or targeted.
posted by Artw at 11:36 AM on August 10, 2015 [2 favorites]


Kayla Reed, Rev. Sekou, and Dr. Cornel West also arrested. In front of a DOJ building. Twitter reports that the officer arresting Dr. West had his photo taken while handcuffing him and smiling.
posted by sallybrown at 11:43 AM on August 10, 2015 [6 favorites]


fuck. i walk away from twitter for 10 minutes...
posted by nadawi at 11:44 AM on August 10, 2015


You can watch the protests live on periscope. If I was not thousands of miles away I would attend.
posted by standardasparagus at 11:45 AM on August 10, 2015




Jon Swaine @jonswaine
Should be noted peaceful protesters at fed courthouse in downtown St Louis are being arrested by officers from the Dept of Homeland Security
posted by standardasparagus at 11:46 AM on August 10, 2015 [1 favorite]




There is not enough profanity in all the world right now.
posted by sallybrown at 11:51 AM on August 10, 2015 [2 favorites]


right before the arresting started, deray posted that the protestors were being filmed by the powers that be.
posted by nadawi at 11:53 AM on August 10, 2015 [1 favorite]


here is netta's vine page and here is deray's.
posted by nadawi at 11:56 AM on August 10, 2015


deray tweeted previously about how he and netta are listed as physical threats by a security firm. some on twitter are saying that the cops have waited 366 days to arrest them and they finally did it.

i just hope everyone comes out safe (how fucked up is it that it's even a concern)...
posted by nadawi at 12:02 PM on August 10, 2015 [2 favorites]


Current livestream feed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DROxj2h4SoE
posted by spinifex23 at 12:03 PM on August 10, 2015 [1 favorite]




antonio french : It's unfortunate that those faith leaders being arrested right now won't be available to help keep the peace tonight in #Ferguson.

It's almost like they're being arrested specifically because of that.

I just... I can't even imagine how fucking stupid the fucking cops have to be just to keep doing the exact same thing. How soon until we see teargas in Ferguson again?
posted by feckless fecal fear mongering at 12:07 PM on August 10, 2015 [3 favorites]


Willfully stupid; or intentionally laying the groundwork for another police riot.
posted by standardasparagus at 12:10 PM on August 10, 2015 [7 favorites]


These are apparently, although it is hard to tell, tear gas trucks that arrived last night.
posted by standardasparagus at 12:11 PM on August 10, 2015 [3 favorites]


“Cornel West, Deray Mckesson Among Dozens Arrested in St. Louis Protests,” Goldie Taylor, Blue Nation Review, 10 August 2015
posted by ob1quixote at 12:22 PM on August 10, 2015 [2 favorites]


Wow, they really want to make as big a clusterfuck out of this as possible. Are they that nostalgic did last time?
posted by Artw at 12:24 PM on August 10, 2015


It's so rage-inducing to see the number of headlines which tie the shooting last night to the protestors, even though the chief of police has stressed that the suspects involved in the shooting were not part of the protest.

Seeing stuff like "Protests erupt in violence" and "Peaceful protests turn violent" -- and other similar linkages -- makes me think a great many people have learned absolutely nothing in the year since Brown's death.
posted by lord_wolf at 12:32 PM on August 10, 2015 [6 favorites]


Depends, does "when you shoot someone, it's important to control the narrative" count as a lesson?
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 12:35 PM on August 10, 2015 [3 favorites]


"Protests Erupt in Violence" also provides cover when the police start it.
posted by rhizome at 12:43 PM on August 10, 2015 [3 favorites]


strange how the kkk/confederate flag protests went off without any arrests, and yet peaceful faith based protestors are now behind bars...
posted by nadawi at 12:48 PM on August 10, 2015 [13 favorites]


A post Sunday on the Facebook page of a Missouri police union declared the one-year anniversary of the shooting of unarmed teenager Michael Brown to be "Darren Wilson Day"
posted by nadawi at 1:01 PM on August 10, 2015


Chicago Police release a frankly unreal How To Stay Safe / Not Get Shot guide

Guide for Chicago Police on How To Not Shoot Innocent, Unarmed, Or Otherwise Not-Dangerous People:
+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
|Is the person you want to kill shooting, stabbing, or beating someone else? |
|                                                                            |
+--------+-------------------------------------------------+-----------------+
         |                                                 |                  
         |Yes                                              |No                
         |                                                 |                  
         v                                                 v                  
  +------+-------+                                 +-------+--------+         
  |    Okay!     |                                 |      No!       |         
  | Shoot  them! |                                 |  Don't shoot!  |         
  +--------------+                                 +----------------+         
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 1:01 PM on August 10, 2015 [2 favorites]




Also, in case you missed it: care of roomthreeseventeenA Ferguson Syllabus: Reading a Movement
posted by standardasparagus at 1:22 PM on August 10, 2015


Columbia, MO police union declares August 9, "Darren Wilson Day."


Police Unions are universally disgusting and should be banned.
posted by Artw at 1:24 PM on August 10, 2015 [8 favorites]


Well once all the rest of the public service unions are crushed the police unions will probably follow.
posted by Elementary Penguin at 1:44 PM on August 10, 2015 [1 favorite]


Are there any other live blogs? I've checked both reddit and the Guardian.
posted by standardasparagus at 1:45 PM on August 10, 2015


Well once all the rest of the public service unions are crushed the police unions will probably follow.

This is precisely why I'm uncomfortable with the knee-jerk "ban the police unions" response. A union's job is to represent its membership, so when a union's doing disgusting things like Darren Wilson Day, it's a sign that the members of that union are assholes, not that unions are bad, or even that police unions are bad.

Police unions should absolutely be prohibited from interfering with oversight, disciplinary procedures, or acting in any way that threatens the civilian control of the police function, but they should be allowed to bargain on behalf of their members for fair wage and benefits. If you want more asshole cops, then go ahead and bust their unions.
posted by tonycpsu at 1:52 PM on August 10, 2015 [17 favorites]


I think the problem is that the only way to achieve useful reform of police unions is to burn them to the ground and start over. I am very pro-union and pro-labour, and police unions have bloated so far beyond their original scope--especially in terms of knife-to-throat negotiations--that they are now unrecognizable as something useful.
posted by feckless fecal fear mongering at 1:59 PM on August 10, 2015 [4 favorites]


Given how unions in general and public sector unions in particular are on life support in this country, I can assure you that if you burn them to the ground, the thing that will replace them will be much worse.
posted by tonycpsu at 2:05 PM on August 10, 2015 [4 favorites]


I find it difficult to imagine a scenario where whatever is rebuilt as the model for police unions is worse than the current backslapping club that protects the victims of killers and thugs from ever seeing justice.
posted by feckless fecal fear mongering at 2:10 PM on August 10, 2015 [1 favorite]


OK, I'll help you out: imagine that same backslapping club, but with pay, benefits, and training that's even shittier than what they have now.
posted by tonycpsu at 2:15 PM on August 10, 2015 [5 favorites]


Let me expand on that unnecessarily curt response.

I'm not a labor movement scholar, but it seems to me that the incentive for unions to protect their members from discipline and termination decreases significantly when the members are rewarded more for their labor. Job security is a benefit that unions can negotiate for, but it's not one you that can pay your utility bills with, so much like with teachers unions, the solution to getting rid of the bad ones is not to kill the unions, but to pay them more as a means of getting them to sign contracts with stricter, more immediate disciplinary procedures in place.

I'm not saying this is easy to do in an era where municipal budgets are under constant attack by conservative politicians and know-nothing taxpayers who want services without paying for them, but I am saying it's necessary, and that killing the unions is throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
posted by tonycpsu at 2:32 PM on August 10, 2015 [1 favorite]


I don't know, Tonycpsu. It seems to me that stopping members from being fired is such a fundamental part of labor organisation that you simply can't have a labor union that won't go to the wall to prevent it. Maybe if it were modeled after professional standards organisations instead, but they have their own problems.
posted by Joe in Australia at 3:03 PM on August 10, 2015 [1 favorite]


No, stopping members from being fired unjustly is what unions are supposed to do.

Police unions have far, far overstepped their bounds in this regard.
posted by feckless fecal fear mongering at 3:07 PM on August 10, 2015 [6 favorites]


Wesley Lowery charged - seems like they are clearing away anyone who might make a fuss before they break out the teargas tonight.
posted by Artw at 3:10 PM on August 10, 2015 [4 favorites]


Charging a reporter with trespassing and interfering with a police officer when he was just doing his job is outrageous,” Martin Baron, executive editor of The Post, said in a statement Monday. “You’d have thought law enforcement authorities would have come to their senses about this incident. Wes Lowery should never have been arrested in the first place. That was an abuse of police authority.

“This latest action represents contemptible overreaching by prosecutors who seem to have no regard for the role of journalists seeking to cover a major story and following normal practice,” Baron continued.
Washington Post reporter charged with trespassing, interfering with a police officer

Wesley Lowery's twitter .
posted by standardasparagus at 3:12 PM on August 10, 2015 [5 favorites]


netta is free
posted by nadawi at 3:35 PM on August 10, 2015 [4 favorites]


What are they arresting people for, anyway? I mean what's the flimsy pretext that is the smallest of figleaves for "ohai, fuck your rights, we're going to intimidate you until you stop"?
posted by feckless fecal fear mongering at 3:37 PM on August 10, 2015


I mean what's the flimsy pretext that is the smallest of figleaves for "ohai, fuck your rights, we're going to intimidate you until you stop"?

Winner winner, chicken dinner.
posted by Talez at 3:47 PM on August 10, 2015


The police, like all labour should be able to bargain collectively for terms and conditions, protect the rights of their fellow workers etc. Although due to the nature of their vocation and responsibilities this should be more restricted than the average worker... they should not be able to go on strike or for instance threaten local politicians. An association rather than a union.

It should be about checks and balances... and there's not too many checks on the police in the US at the moment
posted by fearfulsymmetry at 3:49 PM on August 10, 2015


How soon until we see teargas in Ferguson again?

I thought we did last night. If "CS smoke" was used, that's just another name for tear gas. Some of the protesters collected some of the spent canisters, but they were impossible to read. The warning last night, though, was that they were going to use "chemical munitions." Do you believe Chief Belmar when he says they didn't use tear gas? I don't.

Seriously, guys, the first thing you have to remember to do when it comes to anything the authorities tell you about events in Ferguson: QUESTION EVERYTHING. Even the smallest details can make a huge difference.
posted by limeonaire at 3:51 PM on August 10, 2015 [4 favorites]


speaking of question everything - make sure you know who you're donating to if you donate money.
posted by nadawi at 4:07 PM on August 10, 2015


Oh what? They're blocking the federal courthouse?

Why the hell would you block the federal courthouse? Block the fucking county courthouse. It's the one with the dipshits that are actively trying to oppress you!
posted by Talez at 4:12 PM on August 10, 2015 [1 favorite]


you don't think the department of justice has blood on its hands with regards to black people and policing? they were chanting before they were arrested, "doj, do your job!" they know fully where they are and why it's important.
posted by nadawi at 4:19 PM on August 10, 2015 [7 favorites]


Eh, protesters were in Clayton, not far from the county courthouse, earlier. Also, ditto nadawi's note.

nadawi, do you know what the deal is between Netta and OBS_STL? I hadn't previously heard about this rift. I'm curious.
posted by limeonaire at 4:20 PM on August 10, 2015




deray is free
posted by nadawi at 4:31 PM on August 10, 2015 [4 favorites]


limeonaire - it's my impression that after the arrests started, OBS_STL send out tweets and such asking for donations for bail for "ongoing arrests" which many took as for netta/deray/the rest of the 50ish arrested - netta is pointing out here that there was no bail, and even if there was, she wouldn't want it paid. sounds like OBS_STL overstepped.
posted by nadawi at 4:35 PM on August 10, 2015 [1 favorite]


Jay Nixon appears to be asleep/useless as usual.
posted by Artw at 4:40 PM on August 10, 2015 [2 favorites]


Any more current reports from Ferguson? Following events on twitter and seems fairly quiet, for the moment.
posted by standardasparagus at 6:21 PM on August 10, 2015


standardasparagus: “Any more current reports from Ferguson? Following events on twitter and seems fairly quiet, for the moment.”
Ryan J Reilly's Periscope has been going up and down, but I would strongly caution viewers that you're likely to see unnecessary police violence.

P.S. I guess they tried to snatch him, which is why his Periscope went down while I was watching.
posted by ob1quixote at 10:16 PM on August 10, 2015


Apparently people are getting moved around again. Just follow #Ferguson...
posted by limeonaire at 10:16 PM on August 10, 2015


Oh great, the nazis have shown up.
posted by Artw at 11:23 PM on August 10, 2015 [3 favorites]


Last year I watched unarmed people sitting in the middle of the street in a circle doing nothing, surrounded by journalists...have gas thrown at them until they were driven out of the street or arrested by police.





These guys are wandering around armed to the teeth and nothing is happening?
posted by Drinky Die at 12:20 AM on August 11, 2015 [3 favorites]


Those guys are wandering around armed to the teeth and nothing is happening. Here's a Mother Jones article about the group they're with. Quote:
There are scores of patriot groups, but what makes Oath Keepers unique is that its core membership consists of men and women in uniform, including soldiers, police, and veterans. At regular ceremonies in every state, members reaffirm their official oaths of service, pledging to protect the Constitution—but then they go a step further, vowing to disobey "unconstitutional" orders from what they view as an increasingly tyrannical government.
posted by You Can't Tip a Buick at 1:14 AM on August 11, 2015 [4 favorites]


Orders such as "stop being nazis" and "fuck off home, losers".
posted by Artw at 6:14 AM on August 11, 2015 [4 favorites]


Another reminder that most of the Constitution should include "valid only for white people."
posted by zombieflanders at 6:32 AM on August 11, 2015 [3 favorites]


"You guys! The police wouldn't bother you if you were armed to the teeth! Also devoted to upholding the status quo through fear and oppression!"
posted by Artw at 6:50 AM on August 11, 2015


Also, Oathkeepers: that's legal? Or have we now reached such a state of exception?
posted by standardasparagus at 7:06 AM on August 11, 2015 [1 favorite]


I suppose we are far beyond that now.
posted by standardasparagus at 7:17 AM on August 11, 2015


Also, Oathkeepers: that's legal? Or have we now reached such a state of exception?

If one person has a gun around police that person has a problem. If dozens of people have a gun around police that's the police's problem.

Legality aside, it's probably pragmatic not to start shit with lunatics who may outnumber you and aren't afraid to shoot back.
posted by Talez at 7:28 AM on August 11, 2015 [1 favorite]


sorry Talez are you talking about the police or the Oathkeepers (puke)?
posted by feckless fecal fear mongering at 7:54 AM on August 11, 2015 [3 favorites]


Ugh:
According to reports, the Oath Keepers said they were on the scene to provide voluntary protection to a journalist working for the site InfoWars, the conspiracy mill run by noted lunatic Alex Jones.
Because paranoid and heavily-armed white guys operating on behalf of crazy racists is obviously just what a place like Ferguson needs right now.
posted by zombieflanders at 7:58 AM on August 11, 2015 [7 favorites]


can you even fucking imagine if the huey p. newton gunclub showed up in ferguson?
posted by nadawi at 8:10 AM on August 11, 2015 [13 favorites]


Open carry is totally not big deal, guys. Unless it's the Black Panthers, of course. Then we have to literally bomb the ever-living shit out of some neighborhoods to cleanse the scourge.
posted by odinsdream at 9:08 AM on August 11, 2015 [9 favorites]




Emails Show Feds Have Monitored 'Professional Protester' DeRay Mckesson
The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has monitored the Twitter account of prominent civil rights activist DeRay Mckesson, referring to him as a "professional protester" who is "known to law enforcement," according to documents obtained by VICE News in response to a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request.

Mckesson's Twitter and other social media accounts were being monitored by DHS last May during the height of the protests in Baltimore that followed the death of Freddie Gray, a 25-year-old black man who was critically injured while in police custody. DHS took note when McKesson, a former Minneapolis public school official and an activist in the Black Lives Matter movement, posted details to his Twitter account about a planned protest in Baltimore.
posted by standardasparagus at 1:01 PM on August 11, 2015 [4 favorites]


and yet dylan roof was unknown to law enforcement despite publishing his intent to harm.
posted by nadawi at 1:03 PM on August 11, 2015 [14 favorites]




and yet dylan roof was unknown to law enforcement despite publishing his intent to harm.

In fairness, there's a lot more racists in South Carolina than there are civil rights activists in the U.S.
posted by Etrigan at 1:26 PM on August 11, 2015


Emails Show Feds Have Monitored 'Professional Protester' DeRay Mckesson

Just in case you thought that COINTELPRO was something that we had Put Behind Us.
posted by indubitable at 2:19 PM on August 11, 2015 [6 favorites]



posted by clavdivs at 3:40 PM on August 11, 2015 [1 favorite]


Oddly enough, the Oath Keepers appear to be like a whole third group here. I mean, they're not really with the protesters. But they're definitely not with the cops/government either.

And open carry is legal in Missouri, so yeah what they're doing is legal. It is _legal_ for black people to do it too, but in the current climate its hard to imagine such an individual not getting immediately shot by the police (which says more about the police than the Oath Keepers, who are certainly not helping the situation but are obeying the law as far as I can tell).

In theory, the OK and the BLM people should have something in common, but while OK tries hard to maintain a supposedly neutral stance on race (and I guess is not considered a "hate group" per se by SPLC/etc) they are.... conspicuously white, at the very least (in all their appearances, not just here).
posted by thefoxgod at 4:24 PM on August 11, 2015 [1 favorite]


last night people were pulled out of the crowd and arrested like this under the suspicion that they had a gun (from what i've seen so far, none of them did). and yet, the oathkeepers are just wandering around out there. the sickness of our country is on full display in the disparity of how the protestors and the oathkeepers are being treated.
posted by nadawi at 5:38 PM on August 11, 2015 [13 favorites]


No need for Godwinning, when history already provides a much more appropriate allusion...
posted by Apocryphon at 10:02 PM on August 11, 2015


last night people were pulled out of the crowd and arrested like this under the suspicion that they had a gun (from what i've seen so far, none of them did). and yet, the oathkeepers are just wandering around out there.

Point of order, like most states MO has open carry for long gun, requires CCWs for handguns and the cops thought they had handguns. Reading the report it was still suspiciously overblown for the situation at hand and methinks the brown skin might have more than a little to do with that.
posted by Talez at 12:04 AM on August 12, 2015 [1 favorite]


Right, I mean, we can forget particular gun laws when unarmed clergy are being arrested instead. If you can find a reason to arrest unarmed clergy, you can find a reason to arrest people with long guns. They are arresting people based on who they are, not what they are or aren't carrying.
posted by Drinky Die at 12:38 AM on August 12, 2015 [9 favorites]


yeah but it's also legal to carry containers of gasoline around. Pretty much anywhere, as long as it's an appropriate container. And yet I'd like to see these cops who are all geared up for a POTENTIAL RIOT just go ahead and let (black) people carrying gallons and gallons of gas wander around like it's no big deal

it's bullshit, it's not logical, it's RACIST. these white people are being allowed to wander around with dangerous weapons because they're white and perceived as being on the "side" of the government (because they are prepared to participate in the subjugation of the black people who are asserting their right to free assembly and free speech)
posted by internet fraud detective squad, station number 9 at 8:23 AM on August 12, 2015 [14 favorites]


Re Oath Keepers: “5 Surprising Things I Learned Infiltrating An Armed Militia,” Harmon Leon, Cracked, 03 August 2015
posted by ob1quixote at 12:33 PM on August 12, 2015


“One Year Later: The Evolution of a Movement,” Lisa Sharon Harper, Sojourners, 12 August 2015
posted by ob1quixote at 1:08 PM on August 12, 2015 [1 favorite]




Golden Eternity: “The Making of Ferguson - Public Policies at the Root of its Troubles
This is excellent. Thanks, GE.
posted by ob1quixote at 5:35 PM on August 13, 2015 [1 favorite]




HM: So you're assuming that [the Oath Keepers'] presence is the reason that things wound down.
SA: I'm not assuming that. I'm telling you that's exactly what happened. We changed the paradigm in Ferguson.
 — an Oath Keeper in Ferguson interview by CBC.
posted by scruss at 1:59 PM on August 15, 2015 [1 favorite]




Apparently St. Louis County loves losing civil rights lawsuits.
posted by Elementary Penguin at 6:38 AM on August 19, 2015


They love nothing better than wasting vast amounts of resources so long as the end result is to make residents lives shittier.
posted by Artw at 7:06 AM on August 19, 2015 [1 favorite]


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