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"In 2015 alone, Women on Web*, the Dutch not-for-profit, received more than 600 emails from US women looking for a way to end their own pregnancies. (The group does not send abortion drugs to the US, because the US does not outright ban abortion.) Women on Web agreed to share scores of these emails with the Guardian, providing an unprecedented window into the lives of women who feel they have no other option but to end their pregnancies themselves."
Gynuity Health Projects is in the process of conducting a pilot study to explore the safety and feasibility of providing medication abortions via mail to women who have difficulty getting to an abortion clinic. Although the F.D.A. has allowed the study to proceed, even if it lifted its restriction on where and how medication abortions can be legally dispensed, 19 states will still require the prescribing physician to be in the physical presence of their patient during the consultation.
Trump Says He Wants Roe v. Wade Overturned, Mainstream Media Ignore The Draconian Effects That Would Have
* Previously, previouslier.
Gynuity Health Projects is in the process of conducting a pilot study to explore the safety and feasibility of providing medication abortions via mail to women who have difficulty getting to an abortion clinic. Although the F.D.A. has allowed the study to proceed, even if it lifted its restriction on where and how medication abortions can be legally dispensed, 19 states will still require the prescribing physician to be in the physical presence of their patient during the consultation.
Trump Says He Wants Roe v. Wade Overturned, Mainstream Media Ignore The Draconian Effects That Would Have
LESLEY STAHL (HOST): During the campaign, you said that you would appoint justices who were against abortion rights. Will you appoint-- are you looking to appoint a justice who wants to overturn Roe v. Wade?What will women's health care look like now? •• What are some ways I can support my local abortion fund? •• How do I get more info about being a Planned Parenthood clinic escort? •• Women's Health in Women's Hands [NSFW] •• How to Run a Back-Alley Abortion Service •• CWLU Herstory Project: Jane •• What is Menstrual Extraction? •• Sister Zeus (previously) •• Defending The Last Clinic Standing in Mississippi
DONALD TRUMP: So, here's what's going to happen-- I'm going to-- I'm pro-life. The judges will be pro-life. They'll be very much--
STAHL: But what about overturning this law --
TRUMP: Well, there are a couple of things. They'll be pro-life, they'll be, in terms of the whole gun situation, we know the Second Amendment and everybody's talking about the Second Amendment and they're trying to dice it up and change it, they're going to be very pro-Second Amendment. But having to do with abortion, if it ever were overturned, it would go back to the states. So it would go back to the states and then the states--
STAHL: But then some women won't be able to get an abortion?
TRUMP: No, it'll go back to the states.
STAHL: By state. No some --
TRUMP: Yeah. Yeah, well, they'll perhaps have to go, they'll have to go to another state.
STAHL: And that's OK?
TRUMP: Well, we'll see what happens.
* Previously, previouslier.
STAHL: And that's OK?
TRUMP: Well, we'll see what happens.
We already know what's going to happen and it's not going to be OK and we really don't want to see it. He seems to think everyone has a jet with their name on it and just going to another state is something people do for lunch.
Surely he knows what will happen. Women will die. Some flunky must have told him. Then some other ghoul would have told him about the single issue voters. Then he decided a few dead women for all those votes was a good deal.
And then this rather callous 'I dunno, we'll see' attitude.
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posted by adept256 at 9:27 AM on November 22, 2016 [15 favorites]
TRUMP: Well, we'll see what happens.
We already know what's going to happen and it's not going to be OK and we really don't want to see it. He seems to think everyone has a jet with their name on it and just going to another state is something people do for lunch.
Surely he knows what will happen. Women will die. Some flunky must have told him. Then some other ghoul would have told him about the single issue voters. Then he decided a few dead women for all those votes was a good deal.
And then this rather callous 'I dunno, we'll see' attitude.
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posted by adept256 at 9:27 AM on November 22, 2016 [15 favorites]
Great Guardian article, very insightful, thank you. Wouldn't it be nice if we said "um, y'know, deaths from DIY abortions have actually gone up since all these ridiculous state restrictions have taken place, not down," and politicians would actually listen. Wouldn't it be nice.
posted by Melismata at 9:35 AM on November 22, 2016 [9 favorites]
posted by Melismata at 9:35 AM on November 22, 2016 [9 favorites]
Surely he knows what will happen. Women will die. Some flunky must have told him. Then some other ghoul would have told him about the single issue voters. Then he decided a few dead women for all those votes was a good deal.
I honestly doubt anyone tells him anything in any detail.
posted by We put our faith in Blast Hardcheese at 10:08 AM on November 22, 2016 [18 favorites]
I honestly doubt anyone tells him anything in any detail.
posted by We put our faith in Blast Hardcheese at 10:08 AM on November 22, 2016 [18 favorites]
Where there's a market, there's a buyer. Now that weed isn't as profitable for the narcos, black market misopristol is an obvious revenue stream. I'm actually surprised it isn't already. If Roe v. Wade goes, it absolutely will be.
posted by emjaybee at 10:40 AM on November 22, 2016 [4 favorites]
posted by emjaybee at 10:40 AM on November 22, 2016 [4 favorites]
In my darkest moments, which seem more frequent lately, I think for some there's no good woman that isn't a dead woman.
posted by amanda at 10:42 AM on November 22, 2016 [6 favorites]
posted by amanda at 10:42 AM on November 22, 2016 [6 favorites]
for some there's no good woman that isn't a dead woman.
I'm in the middle of reading A Brief History of Misogyny: The World's Oldest Prejudice. It's fascinating and really depressing (I can only manage a chapter or two at a time, then I need to read something else).
posted by Lexica at 11:02 AM on November 22, 2016 [11 favorites]
I'm in the middle of reading A Brief History of Misogyny: The World's Oldest Prejudice. It's fascinating and really depressing (I can only manage a chapter or two at a time, then I need to read something else).
posted by Lexica at 11:02 AM on November 22, 2016 [11 favorites]
The very much missed anitanola's comment about her life experiences pre-Roe vs Wade should be required reading.
posted by h00py at 5:04 PM on November 22, 2016 [17 favorites]
posted by h00py at 5:04 PM on November 22, 2016 [17 favorites]
Misogyny is a million micro-aggressions in addition to its continuous and literal murder and rape of, largely, poorer women. As a term, it can be inadequate because it is dismissed as too extreme: I'm married! I love my wife...and so on...Critical readings of feminist literature, a comprehension of The Second Sex should be the basis of a lot of dialogue, but instead it is...
I like Megyn Kelly as far as one could like another one of Murdoch's FoxPlayboy News Bunnies. It's a ridiculous vocation, but she's earnest. And when Trump dismissed his own quotations and her first question at the first debate with the subtext of menstruation, my gut went black because the framing is implacable. By the third debate, all I wanted Hillary to do was march out one hundred breast-feeding woman with mics attached to their chest to drown him out.
Which is only satire of how deep and subtle the problems are. I become incensed: Breast feeding is actually debated in terms of public nuisance. That's how pervasive and absurd misogyny can be, how irrational the power structures are, how fearful and shameful some fraction of normalized masculinity is.
A woman's uterus is not her own, her self-determination appropriated by language and legal precedent presented as a societal pact. My first reference for Trump's quote of grabbing women "by the pussy" was OJ Simpson's rage toward Nicole and, grabbing her crotch, said: This is where babies come from. And this belongs to me.
Opponents of Roe Vs. Wade are domestic enemies. Freedom Uterine.
posted by lazycomputerkids at 5:35 PM on November 22, 2016 [5 favorites]
I like Megyn Kelly as far as one could like another one of Murdoch's FoxPlayboy News Bunnies. It's a ridiculous vocation, but she's earnest. And when Trump dismissed his own quotations and her first question at the first debate with the subtext of menstruation, my gut went black because the framing is implacable. By the third debate, all I wanted Hillary to do was march out one hundred breast-feeding woman with mics attached to their chest to drown him out.
Which is only satire of how deep and subtle the problems are. I become incensed: Breast feeding is actually debated in terms of public nuisance. That's how pervasive and absurd misogyny can be, how irrational the power structures are, how fearful and shameful some fraction of normalized masculinity is.
A woman's uterus is not her own, her self-determination appropriated by language and legal precedent presented as a societal pact. My first reference for Trump's quote of grabbing women "by the pussy" was OJ Simpson's rage toward Nicole and, grabbing her crotch, said: This is where babies come from. And this belongs to me.
Opponents of Roe Vs. Wade are domestic enemies. Freedom Uterine.
posted by lazycomputerkids at 5:35 PM on November 22, 2016 [5 favorites]
Horrifying. This reminds me of two things.
When I was in college I read an essay - maybe in "Our Bodies, Ourselves"? - that detailed how to perform menstruation extraction. It was framed as a nice thing for women to be able to do for each other, to avoid the pain and mess of going through a period, and I thought it would be neat to just be able to do that and skip the usual monthly event. Much later I found out that it was really a camouflaged method for DIY abortion.
After college I was dating a guy who was doing residency and one evening we were hanging out reading - me with some novel, him with a medical text. Holy shit, he said, and showed me the page. It detailed how to use birth control pills to induce an abortion, and the side effects. I was curious that the information wasn't more widely shared, he was angry that it was presented as an option (with all its difficult side effects) to doctors as an alternative to the doctor performing the procedure.
posted by bunderful at 5:43 PM on November 22, 2016 [1 favorite]
When I was in college I read an essay - maybe in "Our Bodies, Ourselves"? - that detailed how to perform menstruation extraction. It was framed as a nice thing for women to be able to do for each other, to avoid the pain and mess of going through a period, and I thought it would be neat to just be able to do that and skip the usual monthly event. Much later I found out that it was really a camouflaged method for DIY abortion.
After college I was dating a guy who was doing residency and one evening we were hanging out reading - me with some novel, him with a medical text. Holy shit, he said, and showed me the page. It detailed how to use birth control pills to induce an abortion, and the side effects. I was curious that the information wasn't more widely shared, he was angry that it was presented as an option (with all its difficult side effects) to doctors as an alternative to the doctor performing the procedure.
posted by bunderful at 5:43 PM on November 22, 2016 [1 favorite]
I googled Mifepristone and Misoprostol on Nov 9. Was pleased to see so many results, and so many of the websites urging women to check in with their doctors if any problems.
https://safe2choose.org/abortion-pill/using-mifepristone-and-misoprostol/
posted by surplus at 6:47 PM on November 22, 2016
https://safe2choose.org/abortion-pill/using-mifepristone-and-misoprostol/
posted by surplus at 6:47 PM on November 22, 2016
This is heartbreaking. I really can't believe that the United States is going in the direction of getting almost as oppressive as countries like Iran or any of those countries we keep bombing in the fight for freedom. What a great thing it is to be pro life.
posted by gt2 at 4:42 AM on November 23, 2016 [1 favorite]
posted by gt2 at 4:42 AM on November 23, 2016 [1 favorite]
The hypocrisy of many pro-life politicians, who want to force women to give birth while at the same time gutting support for women and children's health, has been noted for a long time.
But Trump's hypocrisy is even more extreme than most. This is a man who literally advocated for the murder of children who are related to the wrong person.
posted by Kutsuwamushi at 1:38 PM on November 23, 2016
But Trump's hypocrisy is even more extreme than most. This is a man who literally advocated for the murder of children who are related to the wrong person.
posted by Kutsuwamushi at 1:38 PM on November 23, 2016
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Where am I supposed to go for this health care as it gets harder and harder to find? "Just go to another state" is all well and good, but what about when the closest state is Indiana, where they jail women for miscarriages?
posted by ChuraChura at 9:17 AM on November 22, 2016 [25 favorites]