Drunk canoeing may soon be legal in Canada

September 28, 2017 6:51 PM

...which isn’t sitting well with the Canadian Safe Boating Council. The law has long been a sore point among drunken Canadian canoeists, who enjoy their cabrewing.
posted by clawsoon (61 comments total)

Wait...it's not legal now?

*stops doing J stroke*

*pours out beer*
posted by TheWhiteSkull at 7:10 PM on September 28, 2017 [7 favorites]

Most provinces it is also illegal to consume alcohol on a boat unless the boat "is licensed for alcohol consumption, or the boat has a permanent toilet, cooking facilities, sleeping facilities and it is anchored or docked."
posted by Mitheral at 7:32 PM on September 28, 2017 [1 favorite]

Pretty sure that if you google canoe jousting once you get past the boy scouts, you won't find a single sober adult...
posted by Nanukthedog at 7:32 PM on September 28, 2017

I'm not entirely sure, but I believe that in Ontario and elsewhere, when a boat is at anchor, it is still technically under the care and control of the skipper (because anchors can drag, conditions can change, and the skipper must be prepared to move the boat when necessary). It's only at a permanent mooring or a dock that the boat becomes truly legal for alcohol consumption.

...except Québec, of course. We've sailed there twice; I fondly remember the first time I saw a boat sliding by, a couple of sailors solemnly raising their beers to us as they passed.
posted by Artful Codger at 7:42 PM on September 28, 2017 [1 favorite]

Don't drink and canoe. You might bump into a duck.

Think of the ducklings.
posted by FallowKing at 7:47 PM on September 28, 2017 [4 favorites]

At least the Canadian Safe Boating Council can rest assured that Canadians will still apologize for doing it even if it's legal.
posted by vorpal bunny at 7:50 PM on September 28, 2017

It's a lot easier to drown when you're drunk.
posted by tommyD at 8:04 PM on September 28, 2017 [17 favorites]

It's a lot easier to drown when you're drunk.

Yeah, not to be a killjoy, but if you've ever swamped a canoe and had it turn over on you (sometimes with you in it and trying to disengage from the thwarts), you know that's no kinda situation you want to be in without your full faculties.
posted by Miko at 8:10 PM on September 28, 2017 [7 favorites]

Canoe jousting?

My god, how did My highschool buddies never think of this?
posted by Abehammerb Lincoln at 8:14 PM on September 28, 2017 [5 favorites]

How else could you enjoy this wild and crazy sport?
posted by unliteral at 8:16 PM on September 28, 2017 [1 favorite]

Mr. Canoehead approves.
posted by The Underpants Monster at 8:23 PM on September 28, 2017 [1 favorite]

You were struck by lightning!
posted by TheWhiteSkull at 8:38 PM on September 28, 2017 [1 favorite]

The long and the short of it is that this will cause a lot of people to drown. But the police have trouble enforcing the law anyway, so...

Personally, I'm not really happy even getting into a canoe tipsy, let alone sitting out on the lake with a 24 between my legs.
posted by bonehead at 9:05 PM on September 28, 2017 [4 favorites]

what about paddleboats? have me and my mom's champagne paddleboat cruises been illegal all this time?
posted by 5_13_23_42_69_666 at 11:20 PM on September 28, 2017 [2 favorites]

...the police have trouble enforcing the law anyway...

They seem to have been pretty determined about it, especially given that the law was probably never meant to catch canoeists. Is it that summer out on the lake is more appealing than handing out speeding tickets on some dusty road?
posted by Segundus at 11:49 PM on September 28, 2017 [1 favorite]

What about tubing? Is it illegal to have a beer while sitting in an inner tube? One of those floating chairs? Floating without apparatus?
posted by Kirth Gerson at 3:47 AM on September 29, 2017

Are they actually legalizing it? Or just no longer treating it as a driving offense, so you can lose your license for something you do on a boat (where you might well have a designated driver taking you home after the canoe trip)?
posted by Brachinus at 4:43 AM on September 29, 2017

Has anyone ever said to themselves, "I would love to have a few beers while I'm canoeing, but it's illegal so I won't?" I mean, I'm sure lots of people abstain because they know it's dangerous to be drunk on the water, but does anybody abstain because it's illegal? What is the likelihood of being caught by a cop when you're out on some local river in your canoe? Pretty small, I'd bet.

I feel like this is one of those situations where unenforceable laws breed contempt for law in general. Unenforcable laws that turn large groups of people into criminals by fiat are generally pretty bad for society.
posted by Anticipation Of A New Lover's Arrival, The at 4:58 AM on September 29, 2017 [3 favorites]

Yeah, not to be a killjoy

but you're going to power through

but if you've ever swamped a canoe and had it turn over on you (sometimes with you in it and trying to disengage from the thwarts), you know that's no kinda situation you want to be in without your full faculties.

yup this is a great reason to force interactions with police and lose your car and your driver's license. for driving a car. on dry land. to save people from themselves.
posted by indubitable at 5:14 AM on September 29, 2017 [9 favorites]

We need a canoeing license, eh?
posted by clawsoon at 6:02 AM on September 29, 2017 [1 favorite]

I can understand making boating while hammered illegal, but I don't get connecting that to driver's licenses. It's more like getting busted for horse riding while drunk, or hiking while drunk, things that are maybe poor ideas but deserving of a proportionate response.

I also didn't know that drinking while boating was illegal anywhere, since everyone I've ever known with a boat has treated alcohol as an integral part of the process. The one and only time I participated in a sailboat race, not only was every team on every boat drinking the entire time, the prize for the first boat back into port was a rather nice bottle of rum, for example. I'm not a boat person, so I just assumed this was the way it was. The guys I know here with boats use them to go fishing... but the drinking usually starts on the drive to the launch site and continues all day. How they get from the boat ramp to their hotel in the evenings is a worrisome thought.
posted by Dip Flash at 6:06 AM on September 29, 2017 [1 favorite]

The difficulty with this law as it stands right now is that it affects 2 classes of people differently; if you have any kind of driver's licence and/or vehicle insurance, you bear a much heavier punishment than folks who don't. A just law punishes every offender the same, and it punishes them in a targeted way for what they did - not for an arguably unrelated activity.

Also, if you're drinking while boating, you're a dumbass and I hope you're wearing a pfd so it's easier and more convenient to fish out your corpse later. You'll probably have your pants around your ankles too, because you likely fell in and drowned while you were trying to take a whiz over the stern.
posted by Mary Ellen Carter at 6:12 AM on September 29, 2017 [1 favorite]

Wow... alcohol illegal in a boat removes 99.9% of the incentive to go fishing!
posted by WaterAndPixels at 6:15 AM on September 29, 2017

I have had many a boozed-out canoe extravaganza and lots of flipped canoes (other people, never mine!) with exactly zero in the way of casualties. If you are going to drink and canoe, you have to be a strong swimmer. Full stop.
posted by grumpybear69 at 6:33 AM on September 29, 2017 [2 favorites]

The UK gov tried to bring in a law in 2003 which would impose the blood alcohol limits in use for drivers to anyone skippering a leisure craft. There was a successful counter-offensive by boaters, who pointed out that significant numbers of people live on board canal and river craft, and under the proposed law they'd be basically barred from drinking - which proved too much even for New Labour's puritans, so although the relevant act was passed into law the section which would have done the damage was not brought into force.

And so, the time-honoured tradition of steering your canal boat at 3mph with the tiller in one hand and a pint in the other continues to placidly play out to this day. And occasionally not so placidly - one evening at Camden Lock in London I made the temporary acquaintance of a chap who was quite roaringly drunk and moving his boat (successfully) through the gates. "I'm driving through London, I'm pissed as a newt, and they can't touch me for it!" he yelled happily as he gunned his Lister.

As for Canada, the AvE Youtube channel recently ran a holiday video of the proprietor and friends canoeing on some lakes, which made quite clear that beer is an intrinsic part of the experience, as is avoiding the Man. As is a wide range of other psychic refreshments...
posted by Devonian at 6:38 AM on September 29, 2017 [1 favorite]

Also, if you're drinking while boating, you're a dumbass and I hope you're wearing a pfd so it's easier and more convenient to fish out your corpse later.

That's a bit strong for people engaging in a mostly harmless and extremely common activity that generally poses no risk to anyone other than the person doing it. It's also one of the most Metafiltery comments I've seen in some time. Folks around here really don't approve of others engaging in behaviors that are riskier than what they themselves are comfortable with, and we're a pretty risk-averse bunch at that.

I drink in my kayak. I do it in calm water, close to shore, and moderate my intake such that I am no longer drunk by the time I get back to my car. I *gasp* do not always wear a pfd while I do it. Sometimes I even smoke pot! (I'm generally out for several hours, so there's plenty of time to come down before I have to drive.) If I'm doing something tricky like island-hopping in Boston Harbor then I'll keep my wits about me until I'm on land (there are Huge Ships out there which I need to Avoid) but floating about on a pond or a little marshy river? I've made a risk assessment and decided that I'm fine with it.

Good to know what you think of me though.
posted by Anticipation Of A New Lover's Arrival, The at 6:43 AM on September 29, 2017 [12 favorites]

Although I guess I shouldn't be surprised that the Mary Ellen Carter would have a dim opinion of drunk boating. After all, when you ran aground on Three Mile Rock your skipper had been drinking, and I hear the mate was feeling no pain either.
posted by Anticipation Of A New Lover's Arrival, The at 6:46 AM on September 29, 2017 [4 favorites]

Anticipation Of A New Lover's Arrival, The: That's a bit strong for people engaging in a mostly harmless and extremely common activity that generally poses no risk to anyone other than the person doing it.

I think that's true of many public health issues. Some prohibition - no texting while driving, say - lowers your chance of experiencing a catastrophe from 0.02% to 0.01%. You could care less. At the same time, it lowers the number of badly mangled accident victims coming into the hospital by 50%. They care a lot.

Does that apply to canoeing while drunk? I have no idea, as I do not have those statistics on hand.
posted by clawsoon at 6:56 AM on September 29, 2017 [2 favorites]

Every single time the news has a story about canoe drownings it is always either 1) inexperienced or first time paddlers with no pfds who really should not have been out there in the first place, or 2) drunk idiots (often out at night). I have done a hell of a lot of canoeing in my lifetime, in all sorts of weather and water conditions. Drunk canoeing is a really stupid thing to do. However, I agree that there should not be a penalty linked to your car driver's licence.
posted by fimbulvetr at 7:02 AM on September 29, 2017 [2 favorites]

Drunk canoeing is akin to drunk bicycling, though you are going far slower and are unlikely to hurt anyone but yourself. It is categorically different than operating a (big, heavy) sailboat or (big, heavy, fast-moving) powerboat, both of which pose significant risk to everyone around them and for which a prohibition on intoxicated operation is eminently reasonable.
posted by grumpybear69 at 7:05 AM on September 29, 2017 [6 favorites]

clawsoon, the only risk I can think of for drunk canoeing would be to any passengers. Which, yeah, if you have kids in the boat then that changes things considerably. And maybe if you have kids at all your risk assessment should be a bit different than for someone who doesn't have children. But canoeists aren't generally squashing swimmers or ramming other boats at 75 mph. Outside of any possible passengers, you're going to have a hard time hurting anyone but yourself in a self-powered water vehicle. The speeds, reaction times, and kinetic energies involved are just way lower than for driving.
posted by Anticipation Of A New Lover's Arrival, The at 7:10 AM on September 29, 2017

Kirth Gerson: "What about tubing? Is it illegal to have a beer while sitting in an inner tube? One of those floating chairs? Floating without apparatus?"

Except for the last, yep. Though I wonder if a PFD would count as a vessel under the law.

Anticipation Of A New Lover's Arrival, The: "Has anyone ever said to themselves, "I would love to have a few beers while I'm canoeing, but it's illegal so I won't?" I mean, I'm sure lots of people abstain because they know it's dangerous to be drunk on the water, but does anybody abstain because it's illegal? What is the likelihood of being caught by a cop when you're out on some local river in your canoe? Pretty small, I'd bet."

Around here it's mostly used as a harassment tool against young adult partiers. The chance of actually receiving a ticket about the same as receiving a late night rural speeding ticket.
posted by Mitheral at 7:20 AM on September 29, 2017

One of the problems with having a law that's poorly enforced, disproportionately punishing, and doesn't reflect the social mores of the community is that it is corrosive to the respect for the administration of justice.
posted by LegallyBread at 7:21 AM on September 29, 2017 [8 favorites]

Anticipation Of A New Lover's Arrival, The: clawsoon, the only risk I can think of for drunk canoeing would be to any passengers.

The argument I suggested applies even if you only hurt yourself, so long as there's any sort of public health system.

But I don't really care. I'm just canoe-jousting this issue.
posted by clawsoon at 7:25 AM on September 29, 2017

For the non-Canadians commenting on this, in the Great White North that is Canada the water is dangerously cold much of the year. Every spring and fall you get drunk idiots tipping out of their canoes and dying because of exposure. It doesn't take very long when water is near freezing.
posted by fimbulvetr at 7:46 AM on September 29, 2017 [5 favorites]

Marginally increasing health care costs is not at all the same as, say, running over a pedestrian in your car though. There's probably a line to be drawn there somewhere, but I'm damned if I can think of a way to get people to agree on where that line should go or how one would enforce it in a way that was objective and consistent rather than based around which industries (*cough*tobacco*cough*) have effective lobbying arms.
posted by Anticipation Of A New Lover's Arrival, The at 8:01 AM on September 29, 2017 [2 favorites]

@fimbulvetr: Yeah, my experience has been exclusively in northern California where the only real risk is getting yelled at and sprayed with water by angry river residents. I would never do the same thing in, say, Maine.
posted by grumpybear69 at 8:26 AM on September 29, 2017

Drunk canoeing is akin to drunk bicycling, though you are going far slower and are unlikely to hurt anyone but yourself. It is categorically different than operating a (big, heavy) sailboat or (big, heavy, fast-moving) powerboat, both of which pose significant risk to everyone around them and for which a prohibition on intoxicated operation is eminently reasonable.

I think most people have some awareness that with a bicycle, they're at a higher risk of falling off the bike while drunk, and what kind of injuries they're likely to get if that happens. I don't think the same is necessarily true of canoes--people around small boats in my experience tend to massively minimize the risks associated and, for example, it's really hard to get adults who can swim to wear life jackets even though your ability to swim helps you not at all if you get a head injury. Your ability to swim also helps you not at all if you're drunk, and you're not just going to hit the ground in an uncomfortable way. Intoxicated people drown at incredibly distressing rates just in bathtubs.

I'm certainly willing to say that the consequences should be worse for people who're operating things that have more destructive potential, but that's not the same as saying this should be legal, because it's so incredibly unsafe. I like alcohol and I like swimming and boats and I will not mix those things.
posted by Sequence at 8:51 AM on September 29, 2017 [3 favorites]

Your ability to swim also helps you not at all if you're drunk

That statement, interpreted broadly, is false. It is 100% possible to swim competently while inebriated. There is certainly a point after which swimming becomes difficult, but that varies greatly from person to person.
posted by grumpybear69 at 9:11 AM on September 29, 2017

So here's a recent example of how diminished capacity can play out in a canoeing accident. The adult was charged under the law that's being removed.

> We need a canoeing license

We don't, nor have we ever. The various pleasure craft licenses in Canada only refer to boats with motors.

Idk if linking to the DL was appropriate, but I would have supported some level of fines. It's still not legal to have open alcohol containers or to be publicly drunk in much of Canada, so the police do still have those options too.
posted by bonehead at 9:34 AM on September 29, 2017 [2 favorites]

Grumpybear69's Rules For Drunk Canoeing:

1. No children
2. No major hazards like rapids, waterfalls, dangerously cold water, etc
3. Everyone must be a strong swimmer
4. Pace yourself
5. Canoe in groups
6. Take frequent breaks to eat and cavort on the beach
7. Do it only during daylight hours
8. Have fun
posted by grumpybear69 at 9:46 AM on September 29, 2017 [5 favorites]

Okay, then... don't interpret it that broadly, grumpybear69? I think it's quite clear what I meant: Precisely because it's so variable, you can't count on your ability to swim competently once you're intoxicated, and you should not be swimming or relying on your ability to swim to save your life if you're intoxicated, and the number of people who will actually wear a properly-fitted standards-compliant life jacket in those circumstances isn't very high, which renders the activity inherently unsafe. If everybody involved understood it to be that unsafe and was doing it anyway, that would be one thing, but clearly they don't.

Drowning appears to be the overwhelming cause of death associated with recreational aquatic activity with alcohol detected in the blood in 30%–70% of persons who drown while involved in this activity.
posted by Sequence at 9:52 AM on September 29, 2017 [3 favorites]

Grumpybear69's Rules For Drunk Canoeing:

I can't count the times when I've been out on lakes (including some of the ones in the AvE trip mentioned above), when a pleasant sunny afternoon paddle becomes a really hard slog in dangerous winds and whitecaps within a period of 5 minutes. Lose concentration and you're turtled if your boat gets turned across the waves or hit by a reflected crosswave. Even on a nice day without weather, many of the cabin cruisers produce wakes that can be 6 feet high, and a lot of them on the more traveled lakes and rivers like to do that to canoeists, like assholes in cars throwing beer bottles at cyclists.

Sure, it's easy to sit in the sun and cast for trout and have a beer. But things can change fast on the water, ime, and can go from safe to shit much faster than one can often get to safety even when fully alert. I've been canoeing for my entire life---some of my earliest memories are in boats, I've raced canoes nationally, I've taught canoe rescue courses. I still have a lot of respect for how fast things can change on the water and how easy it is to get into trouble.
posted by bonehead at 10:14 AM on September 29, 2017 [5 favorites]

I can't count the times when I've been out on lakes (including some of the ones in the AvE trip mentioned above), when a pleasant sunny afternoon paddle becomes a really hard slog in dangerous winds and whitecaps within a period of 5 minutes

So, so true.
posted by Miko at 10:25 AM on September 29, 2017

Thinking about this, drunk canoeing should not impact your right to drive. It should impact your right to canoe. If you are found in a canoe at any time in the next year, the canoe is confiscated. If it was yours, it is sold at auction. If you scammed it out of a friend, it is kept for 6 months and then returned. If it was rented, the rental agency gets a fine and a reminder to check the list of people who are not allowed to be in canoes.

Being drunk in a canoe is a danger due to water and weather. Doesn't meant that the person shouldn't drive.
posted by Hactar at 10:38 AM on September 29, 2017 [2 favorites]

bonehead: "cabin cruisers produce wakes that can be 6 feet high"

What the heck is a "cabin cruiser"? I've been on a bunch of lakes in my day, and I've never seen a 6 foot high wake in my life. Is it like a Royal Caribbean Cruise ship or something?
posted by Grither at 10:38 AM on September 29, 2017

Cabin Cruiser. Here's a bunch for sale in my province.

They're a very common type of powerboat in navigable lakes and rivers in Eastern Canada at least. They're commonly high powered boats, but when they fall back in water, not hydroplaning, some of the designs can produce really outsized wakes. These wakes are a particular issue in places like the Rideau Canal and the associated lakes where motorboat and canoe traffic are often in close contact.
posted by bonehead at 10:52 AM on September 29, 2017 [2 favorites]

I've been out in Boston Harbor when some overprivileged, white, idiot in an overpowered and horribly trimmed 45' cabin cruiser has gone by leaving a 6' wake.

One time someone did it when passing within 15 feet of me, and I was so mad, I contacted the Coast Guard, but they were all "sorry, unless the operator of the vessel was a licensed captain, there's nothing we can do about your complaint". At least the local harbormaster offered to have a talk with the vesel's owner--whom he identified as "a wild one"--but as far as I know, so long as you can afford it, there's really little to stop you from recklessly operating a vessel on the water, so long as you don't hurt anyone (and even then, you'll probably get a slap on the wrist, like Alexander Williams did for slicing a woman's arm off with a propeller)

It's my understanding that laws which automatically revoke an offender's ability to drive on land were put in place to ensure there would be real consequences for actions that happen on the water.
posted by RonButNotStupid at 10:57 AM on September 29, 2017 [3 favorites]

Hactar, the other big difference is that a drunk canoer is a danger mainly to themselves, while a drunk driver is an absolute menace to everyone around them. For that matter, in my local rivers the biggest thing I'm going to see is a 20' pontoon boat (a type of craft that seems purpose-built for drinking) burbling along at 1-3 knots. In my favorite pond, motor boats are not allowed at all. Nor, in my area, do we experience sudden squalls that whip the water up into whitecaps. When I go places where huge ships and rough weather are a concern (Boston Harbor) I don't drink.

However, if only 30-70% of boat drowning victims have detectable alcohol in their blood, that almost makes it sound like drinking has a protective effect because my observation has been that the percentage of non-commercial boaters who drink approaches 100%.
posted by Anticipation Of A New Lover's Arrival, The at 11:19 AM on September 29, 2017 [3 favorites]

Grumpybear69's Additional Rules For Drunk Canoeing:

9. Only canoe on small rivers
10. Have specific points of ingress and egress along with an established timeframe
11. Stick to beer
12. Use your cooler as a flotation device in the event of a capsize
13. If you feel that drunk canoeing is unsafe, don't drunk canoe
14. If you are unsure whether or not you are able to swim while inebriated, don't drunk canoe
15. Most importantly, don't get blackout drunk on the river - the idea is not to become incapacitated (which could very well endanger your life), it is to (see Rule 8) have fun
16. If possible go canoeing at an established canoe rental facility, such as Burke's Canoe Trips in Forestville, CA - they provide everything you need plus a ride back to the origin point once the trip is over, sometimes on a bus with reggae music playing
16a. If the facility expressly prohibits alcohol (they all do), hide it at the bottom of your cooler and put non-alcoholic drinks and snacks on the top.
16b. If you are a terrible liar, have someone else with better deception skills handle the cooler in the event that the facility asks if you have any booze in your cooler.
17. Life preservers make great seat cushions and can also be used to form a canoe flotilla, which in addition to being virtually flip-proof also provides a strong sense of comraderie
18. If you are canoeing in the middle of a large lake full of speedboats and decide suddenly to get blotto, don't, that's a terrible idea
posted by grumpybear69 at 11:51 AM on September 29, 2017 [3 favorites]

Are the canoeists hiding their Canadian dividends in the canoe and using alcohol to distract the feds? Obviously needs immediate legislation!
posted by blue_beetle at 11:57 AM on September 29, 2017

a drunk canoer is a danger mainly to themselves

and their potential rescuers.

my observation has been that the percentage of non-commercial boaters who drink approaches 100%

I'm sure you were joking, but I have to stand up for boaters here. I'm a lifelong river canoer, coastal sailor, and kayaker, and it is really rare that I've ever had more than one beer while actively boating, and those times being on a sailboat with me not at the helm or crewing. I don't see a lot of my fellow boaters drinking til drunk, either. Weekend yahoos, lakes, maybe so - I don't know about that scene. But I do know that for people who get on the water a lot in the coastal Northeast, those who drink while doing so are a subsector, and plenty don't mess with it at all. The beers are for after the race/at camp.
posted by Miko at 12:05 PM on September 29, 2017 [6 favorites]

If you're going to take a person's driving license away for drunk canoeing, you might as well take it away it away for drunk camping or drunk mountain climbing.

Maybe just for being drunk in general. Drunks cause trouble and danger for everybody. Let's take away their driving licenses, cancel their internet, and annul their weddings.
posted by pracowity at 12:39 PM on September 29, 2017 [3 favorites]

Drunk mountain climbing sucks, though.
posted by Anticipation Of A New Lover's Arrival, The at 3:26 PM on September 29, 2017

This is why we can't have a cigarette boat in canoeing lanes.
posted by clavdivs at 3:27 PM on September 29, 2017 [1 favorite]

Geez, grumpybear, so many rules! How am I supposed to relax now??
posted by clawsoon at 4:11 PM on September 29, 2017 [1 favorite]

I'm a firm believer that you shouldn't operate something with a motor when you're drunk. So no cars, no treadmills, no electric toothbrushes.

Canoes, Hangliders, or Trebuchets however? Fair fucking game, mes amis.
posted by mrjohnmuller at 4:14 PM on September 29, 2017 [1 favorite]

Trebuchets are definitely heavy machinery, though. At least, the fun ones are.
posted by Anticipation Of A New Lover's Arrival, The at 5:08 PM on September 29, 2017 [1 favorite]

"If you can't fly drunk, you shouldn't be flying at all" - old pilot saying you're advised not to repeat during a job interview for a flying job at an airline, nor during any subsequent board of inquiry.
posted by Devonian at 6:43 AM on September 30, 2017 [1 favorite]

i'm persuaded by the argument that you shouldn't canoe drunk, but the punishment for having a beer in a canoe in Canada is apparently:

-- $2k+ fine
-- driver's license suspended for 1 year
-- ban on travel to the United States

I think any reasonable person can agree this is an excessive punishment.
posted by vogon_poet at 9:04 PM on October 1, 2017

But you can reduce the suspension by having a interlock device installed on your canoe /hamburger

And to be fair the travel ban isn't imposed by Canada though it is reciprocal on Americans.
posted by Mitheral at 6:38 AM on October 2, 2017 [1 favorite]