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Grim news for likers of quality (and some not so quality) TV programming: Brooklyn 99, The Expanse and a bunch of other shows just got cancelled, with ABC killing 9 in an afternoon. Of course, for good or for bad, sometimes shows come back.
Big Bang Theory renewed for 12th, possibly final season
posted by Artw at 5:34 PM on May 11, 2018 [9 favorites]
posted by Artw at 5:34 PM on May 11, 2018 [9 favorites]
EVERYTHING IS GARBAGE
posted by poffin boffin at 5:34 PM on May 11, 2018 [30 favorites]
posted by poffin boffin at 5:34 PM on May 11, 2018 [30 favorites]
Hisssssss
posted by JDHarper at 5:38 PM on May 11, 2018 [2 favorites]
posted by JDHarper at 5:38 PM on May 11, 2018 [2 favorites]
Stop not liking what I like. Also, your favorite TV show sucks.
posted by Rob Rockets at 5:40 PM on May 11, 2018 [2 favorites]
posted by Rob Rockets at 5:40 PM on May 11, 2018 [2 favorites]
I think I'm the only person who's sad about The Last Man on Earth. And I can't stand Will Forte.
posted by elsietheeel at 5:40 PM on May 11, 2018 [7 favorites]
posted by elsietheeel at 5:40 PM on May 11, 2018 [7 favorites]
I really liked The Exorcist. Sadly, nobody watched it, so this wasn't a surprise. I have a sense, though, that it will become a cult object on VOD platforms.
posted by kittens for breakfast at 5:43 PM on May 11, 2018 [6 favorites]
posted by kittens for breakfast at 5:43 PM on May 11, 2018 [6 favorites]
Gonna hope that Netflix will pick up The Expanse. Or I don't know, the CBC.
posted by Apocryphon at 5:44 PM on May 11, 2018 [44 favorites]
posted by Apocryphon at 5:44 PM on May 11, 2018 [44 favorites]
Hulu, Netflix, and NBC have all expressed interest in Brooklyn 99, so keep your fingers crossed!
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 5:46 PM on May 11, 2018 [27 favorites]
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 5:46 PM on May 11, 2018 [27 favorites]
So sad about The Expanse - the show introduced me to the books, and I've really enjoyed both. I'm hoping it's picked up by someone.
posted by Otherwise at 5:52 PM on May 11, 2018 [19 favorites]
posted by Otherwise at 5:52 PM on May 11, 2018 [19 favorites]
Big Bang Theory renewed for 12th, possiblyhopefully final season
Fixed!
That show fell into the same pattern that so many long-running shows do, which is to say that it was a decent show for years, but should have called it quits -- in a planned manner that could be executed in a meaningful way -- somewhere around season 7, when it was still arguably ahead (or at least not yet behind), but each time the seduction of another season was just too much for so many people involved in its production.
posted by mystyk at 5:55 PM on May 11, 2018 [7 favorites]
Fixed!
That show fell into the same pattern that so many long-running shows do, which is to say that it was a decent show for years, but should have called it quits -- in a planned manner that could be executed in a meaningful way -- somewhere around season 7, when it was still arguably ahead (or at least not yet behind), but each time the seduction of another season was just too much for so many people involved in its production.
posted by mystyk at 5:55 PM on May 11, 2018 [7 favorites]
Besides the new Star Trek and the new Lost in Space, are there even new space operas on television anymore?
posted by Apocryphon at 5:56 PM on May 11, 2018 [1 favorite]
posted by Apocryphon at 5:56 PM on May 11, 2018 [1 favorite]
The Expanse? What?
posted by mwhybark at 5:57 PM on May 11, 2018 [5 favorites]
posted by mwhybark at 5:57 PM on May 11, 2018 [5 favorites]
I mean with the cancellation of that show, are there even any others left
posted by Apocryphon at 5:58 PM on May 11, 2018 [1 favorite]
posted by Apocryphon at 5:58 PM on May 11, 2018 [1 favorite]
I mean geez, The Expanse is clearly a better show than STD. Aargh.
posted by mwhybark at 5:58 PM on May 11, 2018 [18 favorites]
posted by mwhybark at 5:58 PM on May 11, 2018 [18 favorites]
That Orville shite.
posted by Artw at 5:58 PM on May 11, 2018 [6 favorites]
posted by Artw at 5:58 PM on May 11, 2018 [6 favorites]
Apocyphon, we're only posting in faux dialog, I did not see your initial post until after I posted. Apologies for any confusion.
posted by mwhybark at 6:00 PM on May 11, 2018 [1 favorite]
posted by mwhybark at 6:00 PM on May 11, 2018 [1 favorite]
AAAUGH Art. Although I suppose I should, you know, actually watch a couple episodes. But fuxake, it's Seth MacFarlane! Aiiiiieeee
posted by mwhybark at 6:02 PM on May 11, 2018 [1 favorite]
posted by mwhybark at 6:02 PM on May 11, 2018 [1 favorite]
I mean with the cancellation of that show, are there even any others left
There's Killjoys, which I think will have a season four and five, and then end. As always, Syfy disappoints fans of science fiction/space opera on TV.
posted by Squeak Attack at 6:06 PM on May 11, 2018 [3 favorites]
There's Killjoys, which I think will have a season four and five, and then end. As always, Syfy disappoints fans of science fiction/space opera on TV.
posted by Squeak Attack at 6:06 PM on May 11, 2018 [3 favorites]
It's actually pretty decent, see the fanfare threads on it (the Orville).
I was skeptical too.
posted by some loser at 6:07 PM on May 11, 2018 [3 favorites]
I was skeptical too.
posted by some loser at 6:07 PM on May 11, 2018 [3 favorites]
Yeah, I'm not going to.
All fake Expanse dialogue should be in Belter.
posted by Artw at 6:07 PM on May 11, 2018 [11 favorites]
All fake Expanse dialogue should be in Belter.
posted by Artw at 6:07 PM on May 11, 2018 [11 favorites]
wtf who is half-hair guy in this link? I had a similar, but checkerboarded and wypipo-dred 'do at eighteen, 34 years ago.
posted by mwhybark at 6:07 PM on May 11, 2018
posted by mwhybark at 6:07 PM on May 11, 2018
Not nearly enough Brooklyn 99 angst in this thread. Schur & Goor Trojan Horse'd one of the funniest, smartest, most effortlessly diverse shows on TV in the shape of a white-dude-led cop show for five years. I'm going to miss the hell out of it if nobody takes it on (and Hulu has already passed, unfortunately).
posted by protocoach at 6:07 PM on May 11, 2018 [21 favorites]
posted by protocoach at 6:07 PM on May 11, 2018 [21 favorites]
(I quite like Discovery. Strongest first season of a Star Trek since, well, Star Trek.)
posted by Artw at 6:08 PM on May 11, 2018 [6 favorites]
posted by Artw at 6:08 PM on May 11, 2018 [6 favorites]
Pirate-Bartender-Zombie-Monkey to thread 7398509, please, PBZM to 7398509, Belta call, repeat, Belta call.
posted by mwhybark at 6:11 PM on May 11, 2018 [2 favorites]
posted by mwhybark at 6:11 PM on May 11, 2018 [2 favorites]
Aw man, I *love* The Exorcist.
posted by Archipelago at 6:11 PM on May 11, 2018 [2 favorites]
posted by Archipelago at 6:11 PM on May 11, 2018 [2 favorites]
Noooooo... not the Expanse!
posted by mondo dentro at 6:12 PM on May 11, 2018 [7 favorites]
posted by mondo dentro at 6:12 PM on May 11, 2018 [7 favorites]
I actually still watch the big bang theory and more or less enjoy it, but maybe when it's gone we can finally kill the term "nerd blackface"
Netflix is going to continue to pump shotgun anything and everything that they think will work, otherwise they won't get the subscriber money to pay off the large amounts of debt they have raised to generate aforementioned new content. I think for the most part it works pretty well. Ozarks was good, Marvel is still pretty great, ignoring the immortal, unwatchable Iron Fist.
I never liked the term Peak TV, it makes it sound like media is a exhaustible resource. It's been acting in the exact opposite manner since the advent of cable television. And it's not like they're doing offshore drilling for new Gilmore Girls episodes. (Worst. Maritime Disaster. Ever.)
posted by Query at 6:12 PM on May 11, 2018 [7 favorites]
Netflix is going to continue to pump shotgun anything and everything that they think will work, otherwise they won't get the subscriber money to pay off the large amounts of debt they have raised to generate aforementioned new content. I think for the most part it works pretty well. Ozarks was good, Marvel is still pretty great, ignoring the immortal, unwatchable Iron Fist.
I never liked the term Peak TV, it makes it sound like media is a exhaustible resource. It's been acting in the exact opposite manner since the advent of cable television. And it's not like they're doing offshore drilling for new Gilmore Girls episodes. (Worst. Maritime Disaster. Ever.)
posted by Query at 6:12 PM on May 11, 2018 [7 favorites]
So what does this mean for the long rumored Judge Dredd series?
posted by mwhybark at 6:13 PM on May 11, 2018 [2 favorites]
posted by mwhybark at 6:13 PM on May 11, 2018 [2 favorites]
the "problem" with b99 is that the traditional demographic - white, hetero, christian, conservative, rural - who are the loyal viewers of the longest-running cop shows want nothing to do with b99 as they don't relate to it in any demonstrable way.
posted by poffin boffin at 6:14 PM on May 11, 2018 [6 favorites]
posted by poffin boffin at 6:14 PM on May 11, 2018 [6 favorites]
If Bezos picks up The Expanse I may dial my shit-talking back. for like a day or two.
posted by mwhybark at 6:15 PM on May 11, 2018 [13 favorites]
posted by mwhybark at 6:15 PM on May 11, 2018 [13 favorites]
Greatest American Hero reboot apparently cancelled before it started.
posted by GhostintheMachine at 6:15 PM on May 11, 2018 [5 favorites]
posted by GhostintheMachine at 6:15 PM on May 11, 2018 [5 favorites]
Brooklyn 99 is superb. When the last season came up on Hulu I forgot just how good it is. Tons of throwaway little jokes all the time.
I would has a sad if it didn't get picked up.
posted by Brockles at 6:16 PM on May 11, 2018 [10 favorites]
I would has a sad if it didn't get picked up.
posted by Brockles at 6:16 PM on May 11, 2018 [10 favorites]
the "problem" with b99 is that the traditional demographic - white, hetero, christian, conservative, rural - who are the loyal viewers of the longest-running cop shows want nothing to do with b99 as they don't relate to it in any demonstrable way.
conversely: I, dedicated hater of cop shows, have never heard of this show until this post and probably won't ever look at a single episode. Was it intended to appeal to the cop-show hater demographic? if so, poorly marketed.
posted by mwhybark at 6:19 PM on May 11, 2018 [5 favorites]
conversely: I, dedicated hater of cop shows, have never heard of this show until this post and probably won't ever look at a single episode. Was it intended to appeal to the cop-show hater demographic? if so, poorly marketed.
posted by mwhybark at 6:19 PM on May 11, 2018 [5 favorites]
Roseanne was the best show on network TV this year. Haters gonna hate.
posted by riruro at 6:21 PM on May 11, 2018 [1 favorite]
posted by riruro at 6:21 PM on May 11, 2018 [1 favorite]
I think I'm the only person who's sad about The Last Man on Earth.
Its cancellation was the first time I’d ever heard of it. That’s not to shit on the show, more that I’m surprised it had been on for four seasons without penetrating my consciousness.
posted by Horace Rumpole at 6:21 PM on May 11, 2018 [2 favorites]
Its cancellation was the first time I’d ever heard of it. That’s not to shit on the show, more that I’m surprised it had been on for four seasons without penetrating my consciousness.
posted by Horace Rumpole at 6:21 PM on May 11, 2018 [2 favorites]
Lucifer got canceled, which is going to make my mom miserable.
On the good news side, iZombie was renewed! Hooray!
posted by rednikki at 6:24 PM on May 11, 2018 [8 favorites]
On the good news side, iZombie was renewed! Hooray!
posted by rednikki at 6:24 PM on May 11, 2018 [8 favorites]
The first two seasons of the Expanse are brilliant, but so far this season it has been very mediocre space opera.
posted by Chuckles at 6:25 PM on May 11, 2018
posted by Chuckles at 6:25 PM on May 11, 2018
The Expanse is clearly a better show than Cascading Failure Family Robinson Lost In Space.
posted by TheWhiteSkull at 6:27 PM on May 11, 2018 [10 favorites]
posted by TheWhiteSkull at 6:27 PM on May 11, 2018 [10 favorites]
As folks on FanFare know, I used to avidly watch LMOE. I have basically run out of time to write the long reviews of shows in any timely manner within 24 hours of them airing (I'm a few weeks behind on LMOE, for example), though. But...I don't think I'm really sad about it because man, I'm sick of Will Forte's shenanigans. It's gotten old. I think I'm fine with it going, more or less.
99, on the other hand, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.
posted by jenfullmoon at 6:32 PM on May 11, 2018 [4 favorites]
99, on the other hand, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.
posted by jenfullmoon at 6:32 PM on May 11, 2018 [4 favorites]
Oh, no more Great News? Boo, I enjoyed that.
It looks like NBC might pick up Brooklyn Nine-Nine.
posted by Pronoiac at 6:47 PM on May 11, 2018
It looks like NBC might pick up Brooklyn Nine-Nine.
posted by Pronoiac at 6:47 PM on May 11, 2018
I really enjoy Brooklyn Nine-Nine, though the less Jake Peralta in any episode, the more I enjoyed it. And The Expanse is really great.
And both of them got more episodes than Better Off Ted or The Amazing Screw-On Head, so at least there is that. but the renewal of Big Bang Theory while these other shows are gone is proof that we cannot have nice things.
posted by fifteen schnitzengruben is my limit at 6:47 PM on May 11, 2018 [12 favorites]
And both of them got more episodes than Better Off Ted or The Amazing Screw-On Head, so at least there is that. but the renewal of Big Bang Theory while these other shows are gone is proof that we cannot have nice things.
posted by fifteen schnitzengruben is my limit at 6:47 PM on May 11, 2018 [12 favorites]
But hey, they're bringing back Tim Allen's 'Last Man Standing' which was cancelled last year. Because we need another shitty Republican pandering show.
RIP Expanse. Or better yet Netflix Expanse.
posted by chris24 at 6:50 PM on May 11, 2018 [4 favorites]
RIP Expanse. Or better yet Netflix Expanse.
posted by chris24 at 6:50 PM on May 11, 2018 [4 favorites]
Hulu and Netflix have passed on saving Brooklyn Nine-Nine; TBS is considered a "longshot."
posted by guiseroom at 6:52 PM on May 11, 2018 [1 favorite]
posted by guiseroom at 6:52 PM on May 11, 2018 [1 favorite]
> Big Bang Theory renewed for 12th, possibly final season
As I said on twitter:
"If I had the power I would erase from history every single moment of The Big Bang Theory for another 30 seconds of The Mick. You know what, I'm feeling generous, make it 10 seconds of The Mick. Actually I'd do it for free. Turns out it's not about The Mick at all, I guess."
posted by komara at 6:55 PM on May 11, 2018 [20 favorites]
As I said on twitter:
"If I had the power I would erase from history every single moment of The Big Bang Theory for another 30 seconds of The Mick. You know what, I'm feeling generous, make it 10 seconds of The Mick. Actually I'd do it for free. Turns out it's not about The Mick at all, I guess."
posted by komara at 6:55 PM on May 11, 2018 [20 favorites]
wtf who is half-hair guy in this link? I had a similar, but checkerboarded and wypipo-dred 'do at eighteen, 34 years ago.
Will Forte in Last Man on Earth.
posted by flibbertigibbet at 7:08 PM on May 11, 2018 [1 favorite]
Will Forte in Last Man on Earth.
posted by flibbertigibbet at 7:08 PM on May 11, 2018 [1 favorite]
PEAK TEEVEE JUST PEAKED
posted by mwhybark at 7:16 PM on May 11, 2018 [1 favorite]
posted by mwhybark at 7:16 PM on May 11, 2018 [1 favorite]
Aw man, not The Expanse.
posted by eustacescrubb at 7:29 PM on May 11, 2018 [3 favorites]
posted by eustacescrubb at 7:29 PM on May 11, 2018 [3 favorites]
Fox Cancellations Explained: Why So Many Shows Got the Ax
Short answer: Football.
posted by Artw at 7:32 PM on May 11, 2018 [8 favorites]
Short answer: Football.
posted by Artw at 7:32 PM on May 11, 2018 [8 favorites]
When I was in my late teens, I would have known of all these shows, and probably mourned some of them. Now, this is the first time I've heard of every show getting the axe. Apparently, I am become Snoozer, Ignorer of Worlds.
What happened was, back in college there was a long period of time when we didn't have cable. We caught a couple of shows on broadcast TV. This is how we, students living in Statesboro, GA, found out about the great Seattle sketch comedy show Almost Live, which gave the world Bill Nye, and which had gone into syndication by then.
We probably would have gotten cable eventually except for one thing: the Internet. When we managed to get wired access we pretty much left all those channels behind, and I for one never looked back. There are a few shows I'm still interested in, but I generally catch them online, or I go eat at a friendly local sub place during its time slot, where they don't mind if I borrow the TV remote.
Besides the new Star Trek and the new Lost in Space, are there even new space operas on television anymore?
(Sits in corner wearing a red shirt with a star on it and wearing a sign reading "Ask Me About Steven Universe.")
posted by JHarris at 7:35 PM on May 11, 2018 [9 favorites]
What happened was, back in college there was a long period of time when we didn't have cable. We caught a couple of shows on broadcast TV. This is how we, students living in Statesboro, GA, found out about the great Seattle sketch comedy show Almost Live, which gave the world Bill Nye, and which had gone into syndication by then.
We probably would have gotten cable eventually except for one thing: the Internet. When we managed to get wired access we pretty much left all those channels behind, and I for one never looked back. There are a few shows I'm still interested in, but I generally catch them online, or I go eat at a friendly local sub place during its time slot, where they don't mind if I borrow the TV remote.
Besides the new Star Trek and the new Lost in Space, are there even new space operas on television anymore?
(Sits in corner wearing a red shirt with a star on it and wearing a sign reading "Ask Me About Steven Universe.")
posted by JHarris at 7:35 PM on May 11, 2018 [9 favorites]
Sad to hear about all those shows being cancelled, but luckily the sitcom Doughy Schlub With An Implausibly Attractive Wife has been renewed for 18 more seasons
posted by the duck by the oboe at 7:48 PM on May 11, 2018 [23 favorites]
posted by the duck by the oboe at 7:48 PM on May 11, 2018 [23 favorites]
Aw, they canceled Last Man on Earth? That sucks. I mean, I get it, but it sucks.
Its Achilles’ heel is that it doesn’t really work as a weekly network show that anyone can just tune into on a given week. I tried popping in fresh on one episode a couple seasons in, and nothing made the slightest lick of sense and nothing much happened and the characters were barely there and it was all so slow and dull. But as the list of “shows I haven’t binged yet” dwindled, I gave it another try, starting at S01E01. Turns out, you MUST watch from the very beginning. Do that, and each episode is really engaging and emotionally deep and just whizzes by and you can’t wait to watch the next one. It’s a great show, but it would be MUCH better suited for a streaming platform where new viewers won’t turn away befuddled.
And it seems obvious that The Mick would be a perfect fit for TBS. The only strike against: TBS already has The Detour (just renewed for S4), which is perhaps too similar.
posted by Sys Rq at 7:52 PM on May 11, 2018 [8 favorites]
Its Achilles’ heel is that it doesn’t really work as a weekly network show that anyone can just tune into on a given week. I tried popping in fresh on one episode a couple seasons in, and nothing made the slightest lick of sense and nothing much happened and the characters were barely there and it was all so slow and dull. But as the list of “shows I haven’t binged yet” dwindled, I gave it another try, starting at S01E01. Turns out, you MUST watch from the very beginning. Do that, and each episode is really engaging and emotionally deep and just whizzes by and you can’t wait to watch the next one. It’s a great show, but it would be MUCH better suited for a streaming platform where new viewers won’t turn away befuddled.
And it seems obvious that The Mick would be a perfect fit for TBS. The only strike against: TBS already has The Detour (just renewed for S4), which is perhaps too similar.
posted by Sys Rq at 7:52 PM on May 11, 2018 [8 favorites]
The first two seasons of the Expanse are brilliant, but so far this season it has been very mediocre space opera.
Don't make me fight you, beratna. I'm a book reader and liked the first two seasons a lot. This season is the first time it's diverged enough from the books to get my heartrate elevated as I watch and to make my jaw actually drop. "He did that? He just did that? Holy… wait, hit pause, give me a moment."
My understanding, based on what I've read, is that a big factor in The Expanse getting canceled is that Syfy didn't have a good deal. They had rights to live viewing (and maybe DVR views within 24 hours? I'm unclear on the details) but anything after that goes to other rights-holders (Amazon, Netflix, maybe others).
And may I rant again, briefly, about how Alcon Entertainment (who produce The Expanse) seem determined to leave money on the table? The fans are tweeting and posting and yelling about how we want merch! we want shirts! and toys! and language books and… and give us stuff, we'll give you money! But they seem oblivious.
posted by Lexica at 7:59 PM on May 11, 2018 [17 favorites]
Don't make me fight you, beratna. I'm a book reader and liked the first two seasons a lot. This season is the first time it's diverged enough from the books to get my heartrate elevated as I watch and to make my jaw actually drop. "He did that? He just did that? Holy… wait, hit pause, give me a moment."
My understanding, based on what I've read, is that a big factor in The Expanse getting canceled is that Syfy didn't have a good deal. They had rights to live viewing (and maybe DVR views within 24 hours? I'm unclear on the details) but anything after that goes to other rights-holders (Amazon, Netflix, maybe others).
And may I rant again, briefly, about how Alcon Entertainment (who produce The Expanse) seem determined to leave money on the table? The fans are tweeting and posting and yelling about how we want merch! we want shirts! and toys! and language books and… and give us stuff, we'll give you money! But they seem oblivious.
posted by Lexica at 7:59 PM on May 11, 2018 [17 favorites]
But hey, they're bringing back Tim Allen's 'Last Man Standing' which was cancelled last year. Because we need another shitty Republican pandering show.
New plan: go back in time and show this and the Roseanne reboot to everyone who insisted that Trump's election would result in great art being created.
posted by tobascodagama at 8:06 PM on May 11, 2018 [18 favorites]
New plan: go back in time and show this and the Roseanne reboot to everyone who insisted that Trump's election would result in great art being created.
posted by tobascodagama at 8:06 PM on May 11, 2018 [18 favorites]
[Pirate-Bartender-Zombie-Monkey to thread 7398509, please, PBZM to 7398509, Belta call, repeat, Belta call.
posted by mwhybark at 18:11 on May 11]
Da SyFy na ta gif-peye fo wa “Season 4” da Expanse? Xidawang walowda walowda kaka felota! Keradzhang Milowda na kang tenye ting gut? Kemang sabakawala nakangepensa demang ta showxa “Go Milowda du xidawang; im wa pensating gut.”
Tenye im unte du but im ere da kula. (Na foriya).
SyFy didn’t pay for an Expanse season 4? This is not right. Why can we not have nice things? What unthinking person said “Let’s do this; it’s a good idea”.
Take them and express the seriousness of our displeasure.
Loosely translated…
posted by Pirate-Bartender-Zombie-Monkey at 8:24 PM on May 11, 2018 [22 favorites]
posted by mwhybark at 18:11 on May 11]
Da SyFy na ta gif-peye fo wa “Season 4” da Expanse? Xidawang walowda walowda kaka felota! Keradzhang Milowda na kang tenye ting gut? Kemang sabakawala nakangepensa demang ta showxa “Go Milowda du xidawang; im wa pensating gut.”
Tenye im unte du but im ere da kula. (Na foriya).
SyFy didn’t pay for an Expanse season 4? This is not right. Why can we not have nice things? What unthinking person said “Let’s do this; it’s a good idea”.
Take them and express the seriousness of our displeasure.
Loosely translated…
posted by Pirate-Bartender-Zombie-Monkey at 8:24 PM on May 11, 2018 [22 favorites]
Sasa ke what the fuck else is even still on?
::swears in fake Firefly Chinese::
posted by kleinsteradikaleminderheit at 8:35 PM on May 11, 2018 [5 favorites]
::swears in fake Firefly Chinese::
posted by kleinsteradikaleminderheit at 8:35 PM on May 11, 2018 [5 favorites]
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posted by limeonaire at 8:37 PM on May 11, 2018
posted by limeonaire at 8:37 PM on May 11, 2018
.99
posted by filtergik at 8:42 PM on May 11, 2018 [2 favorites]
posted by filtergik at 8:42 PM on May 11, 2018 [2 favorites]
Roseanne was the best show on network TV this year. Haters gonna hate.
Yes. Yes I am. A lot.
posted by bongo_x at 8:59 PM on May 11, 2018 [21 favorites]
Yes. Yes I am. A lot.
posted by bongo_x at 8:59 PM on May 11, 2018 [21 favorites]
I found watching B99 this season difficult because the drop in production quality screamed "this is the last season, we're on our way out!"
posted by juiceCake at 9:03 PM on May 11, 2018
posted by juiceCake at 9:03 PM on May 11, 2018
NBC is DEFINITELY taking Brooklyn 99! Michael Schur says so on Twitter.
posted by maudlin at 9:13 PM on May 11, 2018 [24 favorites]
posted by maudlin at 9:13 PM on May 11, 2018 [24 favorites]
As audiences become more fragmented, shows will have a natural cap on viewership even if the population keeps growing. Shows, whether broadcast or webcast, will have to be much, much cheaper to make money. Corners will be cut everywhere—scripts, casting, design, locations, post, and creative deals for key talent.
It will be the 1930s studio system all over again except with thousands of studios and channels all teetering on bankruptcy. Basically worst case scenario is every television outlet—even “premium” ones—will end up looking like a mishmash of Fox News/ESPN2/USA Network, with live and taped sports, cheap sitcoms and dramadies, older classic shows, longform paid advertising content, and brazen propaganda. The Plastic Age of Television.
posted by infinitewindow at 9:14 PM on May 11, 2018 [1 favorite]
It will be the 1930s studio system all over again except with thousands of studios and channels all teetering on bankruptcy. Basically worst case scenario is every television outlet—even “premium” ones—will end up looking like a mishmash of Fox News/ESPN2/USA Network, with live and taped sports, cheap sitcoms and dramadies, older classic shows, longform paid advertising content, and brazen propaganda. The Plastic Age of Television.
posted by infinitewindow at 9:14 PM on May 11, 2018 [1 favorite]
Stephanie Beatriz: SQUAD YOU DID IT #BROOKLYN99 WILL BE ON NBC FOR OUR 6th SEASON!
posted by Punkey at 9:14 PM on May 11, 2018 [31 favorites]
posted by Punkey at 9:14 PM on May 11, 2018 [31 favorites]
Ugh, losing Lucifer and The Expanse both sucks big time. It could be argued Lucifer deserves it given how much time the writers have wasted (I enjoy it regardless, because it's funny), but The Expanse is a kick in the groin. It's easily the best show currently on TV. Better Call Saul would win easily if they ever, you know, actually aired episodes, but they don't.
The Americans is also fantastic, but it's ending, as it should. I'm glad FX is better to their properties and their viewers than SyFy is. It has also suffered from underwhelming viewership, but they had the good sense to give the show a chance to have a resolution.
Never again, SyFy. You only got me this time because it showed up on Prime just before the second season dropped. It was good enough i had to catch it live. But never again. I'll just wait until they're done, thanks. It does make me wish I hadn't wasted my time watching all those commercials. I definitely won't be making that mistake for the rest of the season. I can wait an extra hour just to spite those assholes.
posted by wierdo at 9:15 PM on May 11, 2018 [7 favorites]
The Americans is also fantastic, but it's ending, as it should. I'm glad FX is better to their properties and their viewers than SyFy is. It has also suffered from underwhelming viewership, but they had the good sense to give the show a chance to have a resolution.
Never again, SyFy. You only got me this time because it showed up on Prime just before the second season dropped. It was good enough i had to catch it live. But never again. I'll just wait until they're done, thanks. It does make me wish I hadn't wasted my time watching all those commercials. I definitely won't be making that mistake for the rest of the season. I can wait an extra hour just to spite those assholes.
posted by wierdo at 9:15 PM on May 11, 2018 [7 favorites]
Like fine, if it needed to go it needed to go, but you could have given them (and us) a season or at least a half season's warning so that it wouldn't have to end abruptly. If you can't do that, you shouldn't be airing a flagship spectacle show in the first place.
posted by wierdo at 9:17 PM on May 11, 2018 [4 favorites]
posted by wierdo at 9:17 PM on May 11, 2018 [4 favorites]
Flash Forward would like to talk about this.
posted by bongo_x at 9:30 PM on May 11, 2018 [6 favorites]
posted by bongo_x at 9:30 PM on May 11, 2018 [6 favorites]
These are my rough estimates, production cost per episode:
Game of Thrones: $10 million
The Expanse: $6 million
Brooklyn 99: $2.5 million
posted by Brocktoon at 9:40 PM on May 11, 2018 [2 favorites]
Game of Thrones: $10 million
The Expanse: $6 million
Brooklyn 99: $2.5 million
posted by Brocktoon at 9:40 PM on May 11, 2018 [2 favorites]
I haven't seen most of the shows that got canceled, but I'm bummed about "The Expanse," especially since it looks as if the current season probably will end with much still unresolved. Hoping some other network picks it up...
posted by Nat "King" Cole Porter Wagoner at 9:51 PM on May 11, 2018 [1 favorite]
posted by Nat "King" Cole Porter Wagoner at 9:51 PM on May 11, 2018 [1 favorite]
> Rob Rockets:
"Stop not liking what I like. Also, your favorite TV show sucks."
Nope. Lucifer is good.
YOUR favorite TV shows sucks. Epically. You should be embarassed to let anyone know you ever watched JUST ONE episode.
posted by Samizdata at 9:53 PM on May 11, 2018
"Stop not liking what I like. Also, your favorite TV show sucks."
Nope. Lucifer is good.
YOUR favorite TV shows sucks. Epically. You should be embarassed to let anyone know you ever watched JUST ONE episode.
posted by Samizdata at 9:53 PM on May 11, 2018
> some loser:
"It's actually pretty decent, see the fanfare threads on it (the Orville).
I was skeptical too."
Once McFarland decided he couldn't be on Star Trek AND Family Guy in the same series, it got so much better.
posted by Samizdata at 9:54 PM on May 11, 2018 [5 favorites]
"It's actually pretty decent, see the fanfare threads on it (the Orville).
I was skeptical too."
Once McFarland decided he couldn't be on Star Trek AND Family Guy in the same series, it got so much better.
posted by Samizdata at 9:54 PM on May 11, 2018 [5 favorites]
> rednikki:
"Lucifer got canceled, which is going to make my mom miserable.
On the good news side, iZombie was renewed! Hooray!"
You and your zombie girl can GO TO HELL! Also, I am not your mom.
In case you wondered.
posted by Samizdata at 10:03 PM on May 11, 2018 [1 favorite]
"Lucifer got canceled, which is going to make my mom miserable.
On the good news side, iZombie was renewed! Hooray!"
You and your zombie girl can GO TO HELL! Also, I am not your mom.
In case you wondered.
posted by Samizdata at 10:03 PM on May 11, 2018 [1 favorite]
> fifteen schnitzengruben is my limit:
"I really enjoy Brooklyn Nine-Nine, though the less Jake Peralta in any episode, the more I enjoyed it. And The Expanse is really great.
And both of them got more episodes than Better Off Ted or The Amazing Screw-On Head, so at least there is that. but the renewal of Big Bang Theory while these other shows are gone is proof that we cannot have nice things."
OTOH, Santa Clarita Diet on Netflix will give you a slightly bloody and cannibalistic Tedesque fix. (It also has...bum bum BUMMMMMMM...The return of (not really, but really) Phil!)
posted by Samizdata at 10:06 PM on May 11, 2018 [2 favorites]
"I really enjoy Brooklyn Nine-Nine, though the less Jake Peralta in any episode, the more I enjoyed it. And The Expanse is really great.
And both of them got more episodes than Better Off Ted or The Amazing Screw-On Head, so at least there is that. but the renewal of Big Bang Theory while these other shows are gone is proof that we cannot have nice things."
OTOH, Santa Clarita Diet on Netflix will give you a slightly bloody and cannibalistic Tedesque fix. (It also has...bum bum BUMMMMMMM...The return of (not really, but really) Phil!)
posted by Samizdata at 10:06 PM on May 11, 2018 [2 favorites]
Brooklyn99 is saved! Now for The Expanse... *crosses fingers* but maybe people aren't watching it because they bloody well couldn't even if they wanted to pay $$$ for it, said the bitter Australian.
posted by Coaticass at 10:48 PM on May 11, 2018 [2 favorites]
posted by Coaticass at 10:48 PM on May 11, 2018 [2 favorites]
(... I mean Netflix will have it in six months, but that seems like forever.)
posted by Coaticass at 10:53 PM on May 11, 2018
posted by Coaticass at 10:53 PM on May 11, 2018
We live in a present with original content-craving steaming services and prestige show-seeking cable networks coming out of the wazoo. Community was saved by a Yahoo! service that miraculously still exists. National Geographic is making prestige dramas about Einstein and ISIS now. The freaking PlayStation has a network that was offering a superhero drama starring Sharlto Copley. Surely some of these media outlets could find a place in their checkbooks to pick up some of this programming???
posted by Apocryphon at 11:17 PM on May 11, 2018 [1 favorite]
posted by Apocryphon at 11:17 PM on May 11, 2018 [1 favorite]
I literally finished reading the 3rd Expanse novel, went to google to check the next one* and saw the cancellation news!
It's not up with the best but I've enjoyed the tv show more than I expected to and it led me to the novels (which are pulpy fun). Hopefully someone else with pick it up.
(I'm reading other stuff between them, but I just wanted to read the cover blurb - see where the series is heading)
posted by fearfulsymmetry at 1:52 AM on May 12, 2018
It's not up with the best but I've enjoyed the tv show more than I expected to and it led me to the novels (which are pulpy fun). Hopefully someone else with pick it up.
(I'm reading other stuff between them, but I just wanted to read the cover blurb - see where the series is heading)
posted by fearfulsymmetry at 1:52 AM on May 12, 2018
What happened was, back in college there was a long period of time when we didn't have cable. We caught a couple of shows on broadcast TV. This is how we, students living in Statesboro, GA, found out about the great Seattle sketch comedy show Almost Live, which gave the world Bill Nye, and which had gone into syndication by then.
Almost Live was the most unwatchable, unfunny show I have ever seen in my life. Bill Nye should count his lucky stars his fate was not tied to that Titanic disaster of a show. How it managed to stay afloat for so many years (15!) is a mystery to me. Possibly a video tape of someone at the executive level in the station being involved sexually with a variety of farm animals was responsible, that's the only explanation that immediately seems to make sense. It was a bad show. It was a very bad show & you should feel bad about yourself for liking it.
posted by scalefree at 2:09 AM on May 12, 2018 [1 favorite]
Almost Live was the most unwatchable, unfunny show I have ever seen in my life. Bill Nye should count his lucky stars his fate was not tied to that Titanic disaster of a show. How it managed to stay afloat for so many years (15!) is a mystery to me. Possibly a video tape of someone at the executive level in the station being involved sexually with a variety of farm animals was responsible, that's the only explanation that immediately seems to make sense. It was a bad show. It was a very bad show & you should feel bad about yourself for liking it.
posted by scalefree at 2:09 AM on May 12, 2018 [1 favorite]
When whoever was tasked with naming the show looked at the sketches they used to sell the concept (which they knew they'd get no matter what because of the aforementioned assorted barnyard animal sex tape) he must have said "It's almost like Saturday Night Live but without any of the humor". Somebody tightened it up & a show was born.
posted by scalefree at 2:36 AM on May 12, 2018
posted by scalefree at 2:36 AM on May 12, 2018
That "Lucifer" and "The Expanse" got canned doesn't bode well for "Timeless" since I apparently have the Sadim touch.
posted by MikeKD at 4:04 AM on May 12, 2018 [1 favorite]
posted by MikeKD at 4:04 AM on May 12, 2018 [1 favorite]
I was actually shocked to see that Lucifer had been on for only three seasons. With all the mid-season breaks, it seemed like the show had been around for a lot longer. I have to admit, though, that I lost interest somewhere in mid season 2. Honestly, though, my favorite part of the show was the always-delightful Rachael Harris. Here's hoping she finds a gig somewhere soon.
Sadly, the writing was on the wall for The Expanse pretty early, given the low turnout and high production costs.
...........
Also, a request - if I like B99 what other US comedies might I want to look up?
Superstore? The first couple of seasons were hilarious. The second season ended on a kind of weird, dramatic note that didn't feel right, though. And the third season seemed to be built around trying to put the two lead characters in a romantic tie, which is never a great idea.
posted by Thorzdad at 4:19 AM on May 12, 2018
Sadly, the writing was on the wall for The Expanse pretty early, given the low turnout and high production costs.
...........
Also, a request - if I like B99 what other US comedies might I want to look up?
Superstore? The first couple of seasons were hilarious. The second season ended on a kind of weird, dramatic note that didn't feel right, though. And the third season seemed to be built around trying to put the two lead characters in a romantic tie, which is never a great idea.
posted by Thorzdad at 4:19 AM on May 12, 2018
Given how much an episode must cost vs the fairly poor viewing numbers, I'm sort of surprised the expanse made it to three seasons. Someone at Syfy really wanted to make good scifi TV I imagine. I wonder if they'll ever try again.
posted by rhamphorhynchus at 4:28 AM on May 12, 2018
posted by rhamphorhynchus at 4:28 AM on May 12, 2018
That "Lucifer" and "The Expanse" got canned doesn't bode well for "Timeless" since I apparently have the Sadim touch.
From link:
The Sidam Touch: The ability to screw up anything and everything. The opposite of the Midas Touch.
He screwed up yet another project. That idiot has the Sidam Touch.
---
Checks out.
posted by chris24 at 4:31 AM on May 12, 2018 [2 favorites]
From link:
The Sidam Touch: The ability to screw up anything and everything. The opposite of the Midas Touch.
He screwed up yet another project. That idiot has the Sidam Touch.
---
Checks out.
posted by chris24 at 4:31 AM on May 12, 2018 [2 favorites]
Not to be confused with the Mierdas Touch, often attributed to our Dear President.
posted by rokusan at 4:43 AM on May 12, 2018 [5 favorites]
posted by rokusan at 4:43 AM on May 12, 2018 [5 favorites]
The first couple of seasons were hilarious. The second season ended on a kind of weird, dramatic note that didn't feel right, though. And the third season seemed to be built around trying to put the two lead characters in a romantic tie, which is never a great idea.
Sorry, was this about Superstore or Brooklyn 99?
posted by Merus at 4:48 AM on May 12, 2018 [1 favorite]
Sorry, was this about Superstore or Brooklyn 99?
posted by Merus at 4:48 AM on May 12, 2018 [1 favorite]
Superstore. Winterhill asked if there were other sitcoms they might like.
posted by Thorzdad at 5:29 AM on May 12, 2018
posted by Thorzdad at 5:29 AM on May 12, 2018
Can someone more familiar with American TV than I am explain why it seemed to take an incredibly long break from around Christmas-time to April? Why did they stop the series and then randomly start it again?
In a word: sports. That time gap coincides with the NFL playoffs, the Winter Olympics, and the end of the college basketball season, with conference tournaments leading up to the NCAA men's college basketball tournament. Networks will bump original programming in order to air sports, but they may also choose not to compete with sports that are airing on other networks. NBC carries the Olympics, and I think CBS has the rights to the NCAA tournament, but chances are that Fox thought they'd get a better return on their investment if they held new episodes until after the big sporting events were done. There's always some sort of winter break for original programming, but in Olympic years that break tends to be longer.
posted by fedward at 5:50 AM on May 12, 2018 [8 favorites]
In a word: sports. That time gap coincides with the NFL playoffs, the Winter Olympics, and the end of the college basketball season, with conference tournaments leading up to the NCAA men's college basketball tournament. Networks will bump original programming in order to air sports, but they may also choose not to compete with sports that are airing on other networks. NBC carries the Olympics, and I think CBS has the rights to the NCAA tournament, but chances are that Fox thought they'd get a better return on their investment if they held new episodes until after the big sporting events were done. There's always some sort of winter break for original programming, but in Olympic years that break tends to be longer.
posted by fedward at 5:50 AM on May 12, 2018 [8 favorites]
Also, a request - if I like B99 what other US comedies might I want to look up? Bearing in mind that if it's been on, I probably haven't seen it.
The other two major Michael Schur shows are Parks and Recreation and The Good Place, which are two of the best things to hit network television in the last twenty years.
posted by Pope Guilty at 5:52 AM on May 12, 2018 [15 favorites]
The other two major Michael Schur shows are Parks and Recreation and The Good Place, which are two of the best things to hit network television in the last twenty years.
posted by Pope Guilty at 5:52 AM on May 12, 2018 [15 favorites]
I hope someone picks up The Expanse. It's the only one of those shows I've really watched and I miss it already.
Somehow I never got into The Big Bang Theory and don't understand how it can still be on. It's one of those shows where some regular walks into a room, makes some characteristic gesture or comment and the laugh track goes on for 30 seconds. Since I never got to know these characters it's just noise to me.
posted by lordrunningclam at 5:57 AM on May 12, 2018
Somehow I never got into The Big Bang Theory and don't understand how it can still be on. It's one of those shows where some regular walks into a room, makes some characteristic gesture or comment and the laugh track goes on for 30 seconds. Since I never got to know these characters it's just noise to me.
posted by lordrunningclam at 5:57 AM on May 12, 2018
And in the killed before it started department -- ‘Wayward Sisters’: Cast Members, Writers React To ‘Supernatural’ Spinoff Not Moving Forward At CW
Sigh. I didn't love everything about that backdoor pilot, but I thought it was a done deal and was looking forward to getting to see Jody & Donna monster-fighting and doing the buddy-cop thing and being adult women on Supernatural without getting killed off.
posted by oh yeah! at 6:02 AM on May 12, 2018 [7 favorites]
Sigh. I didn't love everything about that backdoor pilot, but I thought it was a done deal and was looking forward to getting to see Jody & Donna monster-fighting and doing the buddy-cop thing and being adult women on Supernatural without getting killed off.
posted by oh yeah! at 6:02 AM on May 12, 2018 [7 favorites]
Watching The Expanse, I found myself wondering about the production budget. I suspected it had to be ridiculous. This reddit thread speculates that the budget was 5 to 7 million per episode, and the VFX supervisor for the show turned up (but didn't confirm or deny the budget, just said, "... it's a lot".)
posted by smcameron at 6:03 AM on May 12, 2018 [4 favorites]
posted by smcameron at 6:03 AM on May 12, 2018 [4 favorites]
It's one of those shows where some regular walks into a room, makes some characteristic gesture or comment and the laugh track goes on for 30 seconds.
posted by tobascodagama at 6:23 AM on May 12, 2018 [1 favorite]
posted by tobascodagama at 6:23 AM on May 12, 2018 [1 favorite]
Also, a request - if I like B99 what other US comedies might I want to look up?
If you'd like dozens of answers, post this question on Ask.Metafilter. :)
posted by elsietheeel at 6:24 AM on May 12, 2018
If you'd like dozens of answers, post this question on Ask.Metafilter. :)
posted by elsietheeel at 6:24 AM on May 12, 2018
It would be super extra great if either Netflix or amamamazon picked up The Expanse because they could finally take ALL the chains off Avasarala. Odds against it I know.
posted by GCU Sweet and Full of Grace at 6:26 AM on May 12, 2018 [7 favorites]
posted by GCU Sweet and Full of Grace at 6:26 AM on May 12, 2018 [7 favorites]
The other two major Michael Schur shows are Parks and Recreation and The Good Place, which are two of the best things to hit network television in the last twenty years.
In addition to seconding this -- both so good! -- if you're not familiar with these shows then the specific viewing hints are:
1). Parks and Recreation took a season to sort of grow into itself, so feel free to skip the first short season and start season 2.
2). The Good Place is incredibly plot-driven as far as comedies go; you must watch it in order and the less you read about the plot the better off you are. Trust me, you're in good hands. (The premise is that Kristen Bell has died and wakes up in The Good Place, a version of Heaven, run by Ted Danson -- but she's not supposed to be there. Literally anything more is a spoiler.)
posted by Homeboy Trouble at 6:26 AM on May 12, 2018 [11 favorites]
In addition to seconding this -- both so good! -- if you're not familiar with these shows then the specific viewing hints are:
1). Parks and Recreation took a season to sort of grow into itself, so feel free to skip the first short season and start season 2.
2). The Good Place is incredibly plot-driven as far as comedies go; you must watch it in order and the less you read about the plot the better off you are. Trust me, you're in good hands. (The premise is that Kristen Bell has died and wakes up in The Good Place, a version of Heaven, run by Ted Danson -- but she's not supposed to be there. Literally anything more is a spoiler.)
posted by Homeboy Trouble at 6:26 AM on May 12, 2018 [11 favorites]
Unpopular opinion, I'm glad to see Lucifer canned. I was thrilled to hear it was going to be made, and then completely bummed to see that it was going to get turned into yet another police procedural, standard-issue network crap. The source material deserved better than that, and if it stays cancelled the clock can start ticking until somebody else picks it up and maybe does it right.
Seriously, if they can do Walking Dead, American Gods, Preacher, Daredevil, and many others more or less in line with their source material, why did they have to turn Lucifer of all things into another damned police procedural? Reading the plot summaries it seems like they eventually tried to half-ass tying the show to the original, but so watered down by standard network tropes that it's useless.
posted by jzb at 6:27 AM on May 12, 2018 [3 favorites]
Seriously, if they can do Walking Dead, American Gods, Preacher, Daredevil, and many others more or less in line with their source material, why did they have to turn Lucifer of all things into another damned police procedural? Reading the plot summaries it seems like they eventually tried to half-ass tying the show to the original, but so watered down by standard network tropes that it's useless.
posted by jzb at 6:27 AM on May 12, 2018 [3 favorites]
No word yet if we are going to see another season of the pinnacle of televised entertainment, Mountain Monsters.
posted by robocop is bleeding at 6:29 AM on May 12, 2018 [1 favorite]
posted by robocop is bleeding at 6:29 AM on May 12, 2018 [1 favorite]
I suspect that The Good Place is self limiting in that it is pretty plot driven and goes places rather than driving around in circles, which implies reaching some kind of conclusion eventually. They are rather good at pulling new stuff out of the bag though.
posted by Artw at 6:29 AM on May 12, 2018 [2 favorites]
posted by Artw at 6:29 AM on May 12, 2018 [2 favorites]
It would be super extra great if either Netflix or amamamazon picked up The Expanse because they could finally take ALL the chains off Avasarala. Odds against it I know.
I dunno, Netflix has been especially hungry for new originals lately, so they might go after it. Netflix doesn't have to worry about programming against itself like a traditional network does, so there's no concern about The Expanse "competing" with Lost in Space or whatever.
None of which guarantees they'll resurrect the show, but I suspect somebody over there is crunching the numbers to see if it makes sense.
posted by tobascodagama at 6:35 AM on May 12, 2018 [1 favorite]
I dunno, Netflix has been especially hungry for new originals lately, so they might go after it. Netflix doesn't have to worry about programming against itself like a traditional network does, so there's no concern about The Expanse "competing" with Lost in Space or whatever.
None of which guarantees they'll resurrect the show, but I suspect somebody over there is crunching the numbers to see if it makes sense.
posted by tobascodagama at 6:35 AM on May 12, 2018 [1 favorite]
So happy to hear about Brooklyn Nine-Nine being saved. Like any sitcom it can have its off episodes, but when it's on, it's ON.
posted by SonInLawOfSam at 6:46 AM on May 12, 2018 [2 favorites]
posted by SonInLawOfSam at 6:46 AM on May 12, 2018 [2 favorites]
I dunno, Netflix has been especially hungry for new originals lately
Yeah, but I gather the existing network of contracts might make it hard for Netflix or Amazon to buy the whole cow.
Mostly I'm just relishing the idea of show-only people suddenly realizing what Avasarala is really like. That is, like a swarm of angry Scots, but with more swearing.
posted by GCU Sweet and Full of Grace at 6:55 AM on May 12, 2018 [4 favorites]
Yeah, but I gather the existing network of contracts might make it hard for Netflix or Amazon to buy the whole cow.
Mostly I'm just relishing the idea of show-only people suddenly realizing what Avasarala is really like. That is, like a swarm of angry Scots, but with more swearing.
posted by GCU Sweet and Full of Grace at 6:55 AM on May 12, 2018 [4 favorites]
It was a very bad show & you should feel bad about yourself for liking it.
We fight!
(○ ｀ｰ´)○☆)ﾟoﾟ/
posted by jessamyn at 7:11 AM on May 12, 2018 [14 favorites]
We fight!
(○ ｀ｰ´)○☆)ﾟoﾟ/
posted by jessamyn at 7:11 AM on May 12, 2018 [14 favorites]
Thing I noticed watching Cobra Kai, there's an insane amount of product placement... not something The Expanse can really do
posted by fearfulsymmetry at 7:30 AM on May 12, 2018 [1 favorite]
posted by fearfulsymmetry at 7:30 AM on May 12, 2018 [1 favorite]
B99 is a Universal Television gig, so if it performs well enough on NBC, it might even get a couple more seasons. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the NBC heads have been waiting FOX to drop the show for a while now, at least I'd be less surprised than when I heard of it and wasn't a NBC show.
posted by lmfsilva at 7:35 AM on May 12, 2018
posted by lmfsilva at 7:35 AM on May 12, 2018
Yeah, it’s not a huge surprise that NBC snatched up Brooklyn Nine-Nine. I’m pretty sure Fox only picked it up in the first place to keep NBC down.
(What has even been on NBC lately? The Will & Grace reboot and...???)
posted by Sys Rq at 7:56 AM on May 12, 2018
(What has even been on NBC lately? The Will & Grace reboot and...???)
posted by Sys Rq at 7:56 AM on May 12, 2018
Aw man. The news about the Expanse just gutted me; it was by far my favorite science fiction anything on cinematic mediums, and easily the best science fiction TV since BSG was on. I don't have cable, nor do i want it, and it's been the only show that I've purchased a season pass for up front, and probably would've paid double just for the pleasure if I had known this was even a possibility. I'm so bummed that this might mean the end of it...it was also a gamble on syfy's part to bring back good science fiction to TV. They also need some sort of marketing campaign around it; I didn't find out about it until S1 was streaming on Amazon (because I don't have cable) and woefully few people I know, who would love it know about it.
I mean, Man in a High Castle is cool science fiction too, but can we just trade that for The Expanse?
And may I rant again, briefly, about how Alcon Entertainment (who produce The Expanse) seem determined to leave money on the table? The fans are tweeting and posting and yelling about how we want merch! we want shirts! and toys! and language books and… and give us stuff, we'll give you money! But they seem oblivious.
I for one would be first in line for a Pür Kleen jumpsuit to do yardwork in. Jumpsuits are comfy and I already wear a mechanics jumpsuit to do chores like that. Would gladly sport some belter colors doing it.
I mentioned this over on Fanfare, but the world of The Expanse was originally developed as an MMO that eventually just got turned into novels; I'm not even a fan of MMO's but I'd probably get on that bandwagon in a hot second.
posted by furnace.heart at 8:02 AM on May 12, 2018 [11 favorites]
I mean, Man in a High Castle is cool science fiction too, but can we just trade that for The Expanse?
And may I rant again, briefly, about how Alcon Entertainment (who produce The Expanse) seem determined to leave money on the table? The fans are tweeting and posting and yelling about how we want merch! we want shirts! and toys! and language books and… and give us stuff, we'll give you money! But they seem oblivious.
I for one would be first in line for a Pür Kleen jumpsuit to do yardwork in. Jumpsuits are comfy and I already wear a mechanics jumpsuit to do chores like that. Would gladly sport some belter colors doing it.
I mentioned this over on Fanfare, but the world of The Expanse was originally developed as an MMO that eventually just got turned into novels; I'm not even a fan of MMO's but I'd probably get on that bandwagon in a hot second.
posted by furnace.heart at 8:02 AM on May 12, 2018 [11 favorites]
Thing I noticed watching Cobra Kai, there's an insane amount of product placement... not something The Expanse can really do
Thule cargo carriers...
I for one would be first in line for a Pür Kleen jumpsuit to do yardwork in.
Many things like that are in fact available -- I have a nice MCRN Tachi shirt -- but just not in a licensed form that gets Alcon money.
posted by GCU Sweet and Full of Grace at 8:06 AM on May 12, 2018 [8 favorites]
Thule cargo carriers...
I for one would be first in line for a Pür Kleen jumpsuit to do yardwork in.
Many things like that are in fact available -- I have a nice MCRN Tachi shirt -- but just not in a licensed form that gets Alcon money.
posted by GCU Sweet and Full of Grace at 8:06 AM on May 12, 2018 [8 favorites]
Roseanne was the best show on network TV this year. Haters gonna hate.
Also her tagline for Season 2 probably.
posted by MCMikeNamara at 8:35 AM on May 12, 2018 [6 favorites]
Also her tagline for Season 2 probably.
posted by MCMikeNamara at 8:35 AM on May 12, 2018 [6 favorites]
NBC seems to be more drama-oriented these days, but there are a few comedies airing, mostly new ones.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_programs_broadcast_by_NBC#Current_programming
posted by elsietheeel at 8:37 AM on May 12, 2018
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_programs_broadcast_by_NBC#Current_programming
posted by elsietheeel at 8:37 AM on May 12, 2018
And in the killed before it started department -- ‘Wayward Sisters’: Cast Members, Writers React To ‘Supernatural’ Spinoff Not Moving Forward At CW
Even after 13 years, there's no place for women in the Supernatural universe.
posted by Squeak Attack at 8:39 AM on May 12, 2018 [19 favorites]
Even after 13 years, there's no place for women in the Supernatural universe.
posted by Squeak Attack at 8:39 AM on May 12, 2018 [19 favorites]
(What has even been on NBC lately? The Will & Grace reboot and...???)
B99's fellow Mike Schur creation The Good Place, which is amazing.
posted by Pope Guilty at 8:40 AM on May 12, 2018 [10 favorites]
B99's fellow Mike Schur creation The Good Place, which is amazing.
posted by Pope Guilty at 8:40 AM on May 12, 2018 [10 favorites]
SPN fandom, or at least the most active and involved parts, skews towards a low-level but weirdly pervasive misogyny which is hard to acknowledge and/or discuss because that fanbase segment is also largely female. The main reason most women I know who were previously highly involved in that fandom left years ago is not just because of the show's extreme and hardcore dedication to killing off all female characters, but because they got tired of fellow fans insisting that all those deaths were perfectly justified or important to the storyline or who even cares lookit the pretty boys.
anyway i'm excited for spn season 38 when the monsters of the week are sam's receding hairline and dean's prostate exam; castiel can't figure out how to sign up for medicare.
posted by poffin boffin at 9:17 AM on May 12, 2018 [14 favorites]
anyway i'm excited for spn season 38 when the monsters of the week are sam's receding hairline and dean's prostate exam; castiel can't figure out how to sign up for medicare.
posted by poffin boffin at 9:17 AM on May 12, 2018 [14 favorites]
Thrilled about 99, whining about Wayward Sisters. Seriously? Come on, that was GREAT. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaah.
posted by jenfullmoon at 10:07 AM on May 12, 2018 [3 favorites]
posted by jenfullmoon at 10:07 AM on May 12, 2018 [3 favorites]
> jzb:
"Unpopular opinion, I'm glad to see Lucifer canned. I was thrilled to hear it was going to be made, and then completely bummed to see that it was going to get turned into yet another police procedural, standard-issue network crap. The source material deserved better than that, and if it stays cancelled the clock can start ticking until somebody else picks it up and maybe does it right.
Seriously, if they can do Walking Dead, American Gods, Preacher, Daredevil, and many others more or less in line with their source material, why did they have to turn Lucifer of all things into another damned police procedural? Reading the plot summaries it seems like they eventually tried to half-ass tying the show to the original, but so watered down by standard network tropes that it's useless."
How can you possibly say Preacher was anywhere NEAR the source material? It was SO far off it should have been called "This guy with a Roman collar." It wasn't even on the same continent with the source material.
posted by Samizdata at 11:03 AM on May 12, 2018 [5 favorites]
"Unpopular opinion, I'm glad to see Lucifer canned. I was thrilled to hear it was going to be made, and then completely bummed to see that it was going to get turned into yet another police procedural, standard-issue network crap. The source material deserved better than that, and if it stays cancelled the clock can start ticking until somebody else picks it up and maybe does it right.
Seriously, if they can do Walking Dead, American Gods, Preacher, Daredevil, and many others more or less in line with their source material, why did they have to turn Lucifer of all things into another damned police procedural? Reading the plot summaries it seems like they eventually tried to half-ass tying the show to the original, but so watered down by standard network tropes that it's useless."
How can you possibly say Preacher was anywhere NEAR the source material? It was SO far off it should have been called "This guy with a Roman collar." It wasn't even on the same continent with the source material.
posted by Samizdata at 11:03 AM on May 12, 2018 [5 favorites]
Preacher definitely isn't a police procedural though!
posted by elsietheeel at 11:13 AM on May 12, 2018 [5 favorites]
posted by elsietheeel at 11:13 AM on May 12, 2018 [5 favorites]
> Samizdata: "How can you possibly say Preacher was anywhere NEAR the source material? It was SO far off it should have been called "This guy with a Roman collar." It wasn't even on the same continent with the source material."
OK, bad example. But, I stand by my larger point - They could have made what is Lucifer out of anything, really. I hope it stays cancelled and the rights to the actual material pass to someone who'll do something that does justice to it - preferably in my lifetime. Clock's ticking.
posted by jzb at 11:29 AM on May 12, 2018 [3 favorites]
OK, bad example. But, I stand by my larger point - They could have made what is Lucifer out of anything, really. I hope it stays cancelled and the rights to the actual material pass to someone who'll do something that does justice to it - preferably in my lifetime. Clock's ticking.
posted by jzb at 11:29 AM on May 12, 2018 [3 favorites]
The Constantine show was bad, but after Supernatural lifted so much from Hellblazer they were never going to be able to make anything good that didn't feel like a Supernatural ripoff.
posted by Pope Guilty at 11:40 AM on May 12, 2018 [3 favorites]
posted by Pope Guilty at 11:40 AM on May 12, 2018 [3 favorites]
Yes, Lucifer was a lot worse than it had to be, but it still had a lot of potential even with the procedural aspect. Good writers can make it work.
See Person of Interest for proof of that. Yet another show that got canned early, though in its case with sufficient warning and enough money left to produce a final half season that CBS chose to air in the weirdest way ever (two episodes a week for 3ish weeks in the middle of summer). It wasn't the nicest thing to do with the show, but their allowing the producers an ending indicated at least some respect for the show's audience
posted by wierdo at 12:06 PM on May 12, 2018 [3 favorites]
See Person of Interest for proof of that. Yet another show that got canned early, though in its case with sufficient warning and enough money left to produce a final half season that CBS chose to air in the weirdest way ever (two episodes a week for 3ish weeks in the middle of summer). It wasn't the nicest thing to do with the show, but their allowing the producers an ending indicated at least some respect for the show's audience
posted by wierdo at 12:06 PM on May 12, 2018 [3 favorites]
OK, technically, a fuller translation would be:
"SyFy didn't buy S3 of The Expanse? This is a lot of floating shit! Why can't we have nice things? What brainless whoremonger is the one who said "Let's do this; it's a good idea."posted by Pirate-Bartender-Zombie-Monkey at 12:14 PM on May 12, 2018 [1 favorite]
Take them and boot them in the nuts. (Not really)"
What has even been on NBC lately? The Will & Grace reboot and...???
Superstore is a really good comedy, and A.P. Bio. Plus, Mike Schur and Amy Poehler both have new shows coming to NBC (respectively not together, but I can dream).
posted by gladly at 12:18 PM on May 12, 2018
Superstore is a really good comedy, and A.P. Bio. Plus, Mike Schur and Amy Poehler both have new shows coming to NBC (respectively not together, but I can dream).
posted by gladly at 12:18 PM on May 12, 2018
I've only seen the first episode of Preacher, but I thought that the changes made for a better story than the original, which holds up very poorly IMO. And I never watched Lucifer, and only glanced at the comic a few times, but I have to say that the idea of a police procedural starring the Devil sounds pretty cool.
posted by Halloween Jack at 12:59 PM on May 12, 2018 [1 favorite]
posted by Halloween Jack at 12:59 PM on May 12, 2018 [1 favorite]
The Preacher comic has a lot of bad ideas (many of which are Garth Ennis being Garth Ennis, ugh) but the core concept- that moral responsibility attaches even to God himself, who must be punished- is a pretty solid one. Season 1 felt like a weird fusion of Salvation and Jesse's backstory, and I'm curious to see where they're taking Season 2 once I get around to watching it.
posted by Pope Guilty at 1:15 PM on May 12, 2018 [3 favorites]
posted by Pope Guilty at 1:15 PM on May 12, 2018 [3 favorites]
I really enjoy Brooklyn Nine-Nine, though the less Jake Peralta in any episode, the more I enjoyed it.
This is me. He's okay as a supporting character, but unfortunately he's got way too many A plotlines. I often end up just skipping through his part of the show. And Amy, who I otherwise enjoy, usually irritates me in combination with Jake.
Nearly every other character is great, though!
posted by tavella at 1:16 PM on May 12, 2018
This is me. He's okay as a supporting character, but unfortunately he's got way too many A plotlines. I often end up just skipping through his part of the show. And Amy, who I otherwise enjoy, usually irritates me in combination with Jake.
Nearly every other character is great, though!
posted by tavella at 1:16 PM on May 12, 2018
Cassidy seems to be the moral center of the Preacher show, which takes a bit of getting used to. Not sure I like that.
posted by Artw at 1:44 PM on May 12, 2018 [2 favorites]
posted by Artw at 1:44 PM on May 12, 2018 [2 favorites]
> Halloween Jack:
"I've only seen the first episode of Preacher, but I thought that the changes made for a better story than the original, which holds up very poorly IMO. And I never watched Lucifer, and only glanced at the comic a few times, but I have to say that the idea of a police procedural starring the Devil sounds pretty cool."
Lucifer was as much about faith and discovering your humanity as it was about a police procedural. The police procedural just gave them something to hang the rest of the show on.
posted by Samizdata at 2:18 PM on May 12, 2018 [5 favorites]
"I've only seen the first episode of Preacher, but I thought that the changes made for a better story than the original, which holds up very poorly IMO. And I never watched Lucifer, and only glanced at the comic a few times, but I have to say that the idea of a police procedural starring the Devil sounds pretty cool."
Lucifer was as much about faith and discovering your humanity as it was about a police procedural. The police procedural just gave them something to hang the rest of the show on.
posted by Samizdata at 2:18 PM on May 12, 2018 [5 favorites]
> Artw:
"Cassidy seems to be the moral center of the Preacher show, which takes a bit of getting used to. Not sure I like that."
This is another change I didn't like. (I may not watch it, but I track recaps.) That and Tulip becoming Manic Pixie Gun Girl.
posted by Samizdata at 2:19 PM on May 12, 2018
"Cassidy seems to be the moral center of the Preacher show, which takes a bit of getting used to. Not sure I like that."
This is another change I didn't like. (I may not watch it, but I track recaps.) That and Tulip becoming Manic Pixie Gun Girl.
posted by Samizdata at 2:19 PM on May 12, 2018
I rather like the Tulip but that’s probably largely raw charisma on the part of Ruth Nega. Season 2 gets more roadtrippy and arguably more like the comic, though I also have to admit I wandered off part way through storyline with Arseface meeting Hitler in hell and haven’t bothered finishing it off yet.
posted by Artw at 2:42 PM on May 12, 2018 [2 favorites]
posted by Artw at 2:42 PM on May 12, 2018 [2 favorites]
I really enjoy Brooklyn Nine-Nine, though the less Jake Peralta in any episode, the more I enjoyed it.
This is how I feel about Jesse in Preacher and Tandy in Last Man on Earth. The other characters are so much better than the lead.
posted by elsietheeel at 2:49 PM on May 12, 2018 [1 favorite]
This is how I feel about Jesse in Preacher and Tandy in Last Man on Earth. The other characters are so much better than the lead.
posted by elsietheeel at 2:49 PM on May 12, 2018 [1 favorite]
The Expanse is not exactly free of that.
Boring as central character, it’s a curse.
posted by Artw at 3:10 PM on May 12, 2018 [2 favorites]
Boring as central character, it’s a curse.
posted by Artw at 3:10 PM on May 12, 2018 [2 favorites]
Actually, the thing that finally won me over to Last Man On Earth was the way that it kept going out of its way to remind viewers that Tandy is/was, in fact, a bad dude who we shouldn't be rooting for.
posted by tobascodagama at 3:33 PM on May 12, 2018 [1 favorite]
posted by tobascodagama at 3:33 PM on May 12, 2018 [1 favorite]
Also, a request - if I like B99 what other US comedies might I want to look up?
My name is Earl
posted by Mick at 3:42 PM on May 12, 2018 [4 favorites]
My name is Earl
posted by Mick at 3:42 PM on May 12, 2018 [4 favorites]
So far, only two shows I regularly watch were canceled. Lucifer is a gut punch, as it makes me laugh (whereas comedies, The Good Place notwithstsanding, don't make me laugh anymore); I really liked Scorpion (for the characters, not the plot), but other than Tina Marjorino, this past season was disappointing.
If Timeless goes, I will again accuse Rittenhouse. (Blaming Rittenhouse for the crappy things that happen is more comforting than always having to blame 45*.)
I was a (local) television programming executive, so I get the football thing, but why are networks so unwilling to be competitive during the summer? Why are they so certain viewers want reality instead of quality scripted summer programming? If we'll watch something like This is Us in cooler weather, why wouldn't we when we're sweltering and need the comfort of our A/C?
posted by The Wrong Kind of Cheese at 4:58 PM on May 12, 2018 [3 favorites]
If Timeless goes, I will again accuse Rittenhouse. (Blaming Rittenhouse for the crappy things that happen is more comforting than always having to blame 45*.)
I was a (local) television programming executive, so I get the football thing, but why are networks so unwilling to be competitive during the summer? Why are they so certain viewers want reality instead of quality scripted summer programming? If we'll watch something like This is Us in cooler weather, why wouldn't we when we're sweltering and need the comfort of our A/C?
posted by The Wrong Kind of Cheese at 4:58 PM on May 12, 2018 [3 favorites]
I've said this before, but I just can't understand how budgets for these shows can keep going up, to what would have been unimaginable heights, while the audience for each show keeps getting smaller. Of course I don't know anything about the TV business, but it sure seems like a bubble.
We might be catching up on all the shows made in the last decade or so for a long time.
posted by bongo_x at 6:21 PM on May 12, 2018 [4 favorites]
We might be catching up on all the shows made in the last decade or so for a long time.
posted by bongo_x at 6:21 PM on May 12, 2018 [4 favorites]
Good thing there was actually a lot of good TV around even before the recent wave of greatness. Sadly a lot of it is siloed at the moment despite having existing HD transfers that were shown in the early days of HDTV on channels that no longer exist. There's also plenty of fun stuff that was shot on video, but it doesn't get the extra kick of HD that makes it as entertaining as a first watch.
Hell, there was a surprising amount of pretty decent stuff made in the 90s while Friends and Seinfeld and family sitcoms were still sucking up most of the oxygen. Murder One, while not great compared to a lot of what's been on recently was quite a departure from the status quo, and led to The Practice, which hewed closer to the norm but still managed to be quite engaging. Other examples abound all through television's history.
posted by wierdo at 7:21 PM on May 12, 2018
Hell, there was a surprising amount of pretty decent stuff made in the 90s while Friends and Seinfeld and family sitcoms were still sucking up most of the oxygen. Murder One, while not great compared to a lot of what's been on recently was quite a departure from the status quo, and led to The Practice, which hewed closer to the norm but still managed to be quite engaging. Other examples abound all through television's history.
posted by wierdo at 7:21 PM on May 12, 2018
Another TV rec for winterhill: Trial and Error. If B99 is a comedy version of the first half of a Law and Order episode, T&E is the second half. The vibe is somewhere between B99 and Parks and Rec, for anyone who is a fan of the other two.
posted by rednikki at 7:50 PM on May 12, 2018 [1 favorite]
posted by rednikki at 7:50 PM on May 12, 2018 [1 favorite]
The Expanse? Ah crap. I was just now getting the plotting sorted out.
Yay Martians.
posted by mule98J at 8:46 PM on May 12, 2018 [2 favorites]
Yay Martians.
posted by mule98J at 8:46 PM on May 12, 2018 [2 favorites]
The Expanse is not exactly free of that.
Boring as central character, it’s a curse.
Chrisjen Avasarala is not boring!
posted by Apocryphon at 9:42 PM on May 12, 2018 [7 favorites]
Boring as central character, it’s a curse.
Chrisjen Avasarala is not boring!
posted by Apocryphon at 9:42 PM on May 12, 2018 [7 favorites]
I just can't understand how budgets for these shows can keep going up, to what would have been unimaginable heights, while the audience for each show keeps getting smaller.
I'm no expert on these things, but every year I hear that everyone working on shows get raises as they are on the show longer, and then plots get more complicated so they need more money. It makes me wonder about if a show could stay super cheap (not in salaries but at least in budget, like if they only used one set or something crazy), would it last forever because it's not expensive?
posted by jenfullmoon at 10:25 PM on May 12, 2018 [1 favorite]
I'm no expert on these things, but every year I hear that everyone working on shows get raises as they are on the show longer, and then plots get more complicated so they need more money. It makes me wonder about if a show could stay super cheap (not in salaries but at least in budget, like if they only used one set or something crazy), would it last forever because it's not expensive?
posted by jenfullmoon at 10:25 PM on May 12, 2018 [1 favorite]
Roseanne was the best show on network TV this year. Haters gonna hate.
If it were the only show on network tv, this would still be false.
Speaking of shows coming back from the dead, I wonder if Designated Survivor being canned means 24 is about to make another comeback.
posted by asteria at 12:26 AM on May 13, 2018 [2 favorites]
If it were the only show on network tv, this would still be false.
Speaking of shows coming back from the dead, I wonder if Designated Survivor being canned means 24 is about to make another comeback.
posted by asteria at 12:26 AM on May 13, 2018 [2 favorites]
Unpopular opinion, I'm glad to see Lucifer canned. I was thrilled to hear it was going to be made, and then completely bummed to see that it was going to get turned into yet another police procedural,
As I understand it, Lucifer is going to be replaced by a TV series of Call of Cthulhu. In it, after R'Lyeh rises from the deeps and Dread Cthulhu wakes from his aeons of slumber, the Great Old One teams up with a hot female police detective, and together they fight crime.
posted by happyroach at 11:02 AM on May 13, 2018 [13 favorites]
As I understand it, Lucifer is going to be replaced by a TV series of Call of Cthulhu. In it, after R'Lyeh rises from the deeps and Dread Cthulhu wakes from his aeons of slumber, the Great Old One teams up with a hot female police detective, and together they fight crime.
posted by happyroach at 11:02 AM on May 13, 2018 [13 favorites]
It makes me wonder about if a show could stay super cheap (not in salaries but at least in budget, like if they only used one set or something crazy), would it last forever because it's not expensive?
I don't think bottling more episodes would help, as most of the money is generally spent on acting talent. For instance, in Big Bang Theory, the cost of each episode was at 9M. The original cast (Cuoco, Galecki, Parsons, Nayyar and Helberg) all had contracts around $1M, and then you have Bialik and Rausch, co-stars who joined midway, are at something like $450k each. Add secondary characters, and each episode now has $3M left (maybe even less) to film and produce the actual episodes.
posted by lmfsilva at 12:19 PM on May 13, 2018 [1 favorite]
I don't think bottling more episodes would help, as most of the money is generally spent on acting talent. For instance, in Big Bang Theory, the cost of each episode was at 9M. The original cast (Cuoco, Galecki, Parsons, Nayyar and Helberg) all had contracts around $1M, and then you have Bialik and Rausch, co-stars who joined midway, are at something like $450k each. Add secondary characters, and each episode now has $3M left (maybe even less) to film and produce the actual episodes.
posted by lmfsilva at 12:19 PM on May 13, 2018 [1 favorite]
The Constantine show was bad, but after Supernatural lifted so much from Hellblazer they were never going to be able to make anything good that didn't feel like a Supernatural ripoff.
The also-cancelled Exorcist was actually a pretty good way that TV Constantine could have gone (in fact, thinking about it, the excommunicated priest in that does some mean, ambiguously-sexual demon hunting). Not so much with the heavily Catholicism, but it did a nice line in overarching plotting and also the familial relationships that help make horror horrifying that remind me of HellBlazer.
That said, Actual TV Constantine on Legends of Tomorrow is a damn good consolation prize.
posted by Sparx at 6:21 PM on May 13, 2018 [4 favorites]
The also-cancelled Exorcist was actually a pretty good way that TV Constantine could have gone (in fact, thinking about it, the excommunicated priest in that does some mean, ambiguously-sexual demon hunting). Not so much with the heavily Catholicism, but it did a nice line in overarching plotting and also the familial relationships that help make horror horrifying that remind me of HellBlazer.
That said, Actual TV Constantine on Legends of Tomorrow is a damn good consolation prize.
posted by Sparx at 6:21 PM on May 13, 2018 [4 favorites]
Chrisjen Avasarala is not boring!
She was basically why I was so into the show - such a great character, masterfully portrayed by Shohreh Aghdashloo.
posted by eustacescrubb at 7:03 AM on May 14, 2018 [3 favorites]
She was basically why I was so into the show - such a great character, masterfully portrayed by Shohreh Aghdashloo.
posted by eustacescrubb at 7:03 AM on May 14, 2018 [3 favorites]
Roseanne was the best show on network TV this year. Haters gonna hate.
If it were the only show on network tv, this would still be false.
If Big Bang Theory is 'nerds in blackface', then Rosanne is 'poor people in blackface". They even share the same cast on many occasions where the actors play similar roles emotionally. And the same number of jokes, which is approximately one per episode.
I regularly watched The Mick (the next to last episode had a dance montage that was almost an entire song and was classic), The Exorcist (last season was awful, it deserved to be cancelled), The Crossing (not very good), and never could get into The Last Man on Earth or Brooklyn 99, but watched when I happened to be watching TV. But that's like 70% of the regular shows I watched, so this upcoming fall season is going to be filled with new discoveries!
posted by The_Vegetables at 8:18 AM on May 14, 2018 [2 favorites]
If it were the only show on network tv, this would still be false.
If Big Bang Theory is 'nerds in blackface', then Rosanne is 'poor people in blackface". They even share the same cast on many occasions where the actors play similar roles emotionally. And the same number of jokes, which is approximately one per episode.
I regularly watched The Mick (the next to last episode had a dance montage that was almost an entire song and was classic), The Exorcist (last season was awful, it deserved to be cancelled), The Crossing (not very good), and never could get into The Last Man on Earth or Brooklyn 99, but watched when I happened to be watching TV. But that's like 70% of the regular shows I watched, so this upcoming fall season is going to be filled with new discoveries!
posted by The_Vegetables at 8:18 AM on May 14, 2018 [2 favorites]
It makes me wonder about if a show could stay super cheap (not in salaries but at least in budget, like if they only used one set or something crazy), would it last forever because it's not expensive?
Yes, see the various soap operas that have been around for decades with thousands of episodes.
posted by dilaudid at 11:27 AM on May 14, 2018 [1 favorite]
Yes, see the various soap operas that have been around for decades with thousands of episodes.
posted by dilaudid at 11:27 AM on May 14, 2018 [1 favorite]
I'm disappointed at Designated Survivor's demise, but I'm way more devastated than I probably should be that Scorpion got the ax, leaving the team's acrimonious split-up as the series finale.
posted by DrAstroZoom at 11:58 AM on May 14, 2018
posted by DrAstroZoom at 11:58 AM on May 14, 2018
Flash Forward would like to talk about this.
Because I was loaded, OK?
posted by MsVader at 12:56 PM on May 14, 2018 [1 favorite]
Because I was loaded, OK?
posted by MsVader at 12:56 PM on May 14, 2018 [1 favorite]
Fans of The Expanse raised enough funds in a day to fly a banner past Amazon HQ in L.A. Tuesday. Amazon Prime is looking like a possible buyer.
The banner will read #SAVETHEEXPANSE
posted by Pirate-Bartender-Zombie-Monkey at 12:26 AM on May 15, 2018 [3 favorites]
The banner will read #SAVETHEEXPANSE
posted by Pirate-Bartender-Zombie-Monkey at 12:26 AM on May 15, 2018 [3 favorites]
So it's up to Inners now is what you're telling us?
posted by mwhybark at 1:08 AM on May 15, 2018 [2 favorites]
posted by mwhybark at 1:08 AM on May 15, 2018 [2 favorites]
Did your favorite TV show get canceled? Here are 7 reasons it might have.
posted by jenfullmoon at 3:38 PM on May 15, 2018
posted by jenfullmoon at 3:38 PM on May 15, 2018
OK, I recorded a message to Jeff Bezos in Belter, asking him to Save The Expanse. With English subtitles.
posted by Pirate-Bartender-Zombie-Monkey at 10:55 AM on May 16, 2018 [4 favorites]
posted by Pirate-Bartender-Zombie-Monkey at 10:55 AM on May 16, 2018 [4 favorites]
The first two seasons of the Expanse are brilliant, but so far this season it has been very mediocre space opera.
This is the statement of a person who is legendarily high. This season has been great, imo. I hope it gets picked up.
posted by Sebmojo at 2:24 PM on May 16, 2018 [2 favorites]
This is the statement of a person who is legendarily high. This season has been great, imo. I hope it gets picked up.
posted by Sebmojo at 2:24 PM on May 16, 2018 [2 favorites]
Good news on the reboot/return front: ‘Harvey Birdman, Attorney General’ Lands At Adult Swim With New Special (due "fall 2018")
The new half-hour animated special will feature the original voice cast with Gary Cole voicing the titular hero and Stephen Colbert voicing megalomaniac billionaire President Phil Ken Sebben. The new special features Birdman as the country’s next Attorney General — as announced by President Kebben. In his new role, it’s up to Birdman to find a way to remove the President from office before everyone starts to worry it’s more than the ridiculous plot to an animated show.'Rick and Morty' Scores Massive 70-Episode Renewal
The new deal with Adult Swim is for more than double the amount of episodes that the cult cartoon has already produced.posted by filthy light thief at 9:09 PM on May 16, 2018 [1 favorite]
Rick and Morty fans won't have to worry about renewals for quite a while, as Adult Swim on Thursday handed out a 70-episode order of the cult cartoon.
Described as a "long-term deal," albeit without any announced time frame, the order is for more than double the count of episodes Rick and Morty has already produced to date. Co-creators Justin Roiland and Dan Harmon have been especially precious about the comedy, spacing out seasons and waiting as long as two years before the most recent run aired.
A Rick and Morty renewal was given, but the extent of this new pact is quite unexpected. Should Roiland and Harmon maintain anything close to their current production schedule, this will keep the show on the air for as long as another decade.
Rick and Morty is the de facto flagship of Adult Swim, Cartoon Network's youth-skewing cable sibling. It ranked as TV's No. 1 comedy, cable or broadcast, among millennials in 2017. With adults 18-24 and 18-34, the show topped The Big Bang Theory, Modern Family and Saturday Night Live.
Another 70 episodes will give Rick and Morty a whopping 101 total. That's one past the once-magic number for syndication, and it certainly sweetens the library value for producers Williams Street and owner Turner.
Now he can fulfill his dream of enforcing Blackwatch Plaid nationwide.
posted by fifteen schnitzengruben is my limit at 10:57 PM on May 16, 2018 [1 favorite]
posted by fifteen schnitzengruben is my limit at 10:57 PM on May 16, 2018 [1 favorite]
I'm disappointed at Designated Survivor's demise, but I'm way more devastated than I probably should be that Scorpion got the ax, leaving the team's acrimonious split-up as the series finale.
Pretty sure I've made my low opinion of the late & inexplicably lamented Almost Live (sorry Jessamyn) clear. Well compared to Scorpion, Almost Live is...OK, maybe not The Wire, but at least something decently watchable, maybe House. Almost Live may not actually be funny but at least it's an honest attempt at humor.
Scorpion is literally the wish fulfillment fantasy of a narcissistic know-nothing pretender who conned a major TV studio into uncritically producing his fantasy as if the storylines had some semblance of reality however tenuous, instead of pure & utter hogwash week in, week out. It's as if House (glad I chose that as my analogy earlier, turns out it's rather apt) used homeopathic remedies to solve & cure each week's rare maladies.
It's not (mostly) the actors' fault, except perhaps their complicity in sustaining this farce as long as they did. They do a decent job given the pile of excrement they have to work with. It is an abomination before the Lord, an ongoing offense to my people throughout its broadcast run & its cancellation came far, far, far too late.
Did I mention I didn't like it? Well I don't.
posted by scalefree at 1:48 AM on May 17, 2018 [2 favorites]
Pretty sure I've made my low opinion of the late & inexplicably lamented Almost Live (sorry Jessamyn) clear. Well compared to Scorpion, Almost Live is...OK, maybe not The Wire, but at least something decently watchable, maybe House. Almost Live may not actually be funny but at least it's an honest attempt at humor.
Scorpion is literally the wish fulfillment fantasy of a narcissistic know-nothing pretender who conned a major TV studio into uncritically producing his fantasy as if the storylines had some semblance of reality however tenuous, instead of pure & utter hogwash week in, week out. It's as if House (glad I chose that as my analogy earlier, turns out it's rather apt) used homeopathic remedies to solve & cure each week's rare maladies.
It's not (mostly) the actors' fault, except perhaps their complicity in sustaining this farce as long as they did. They do a decent job given the pile of excrement they have to work with. It is an abomination before the Lord, an ongoing offense to my people throughout its broadcast run & its cancellation came far, far, far too late.
Did I mention I didn't like it? Well I don't.
posted by scalefree at 1:48 AM on May 17, 2018 [2 favorites]
The new special features Birdman as the country’s next Attorney General
ha HA. Collusion.
posted by lmfsilva at 11:19 AM on May 17, 2018 [3 favorites]
ha HA. Collusion.
posted by lmfsilva at 11:19 AM on May 17, 2018 [3 favorites]
I know only a few of us care, but I wish Timeless wasn't getting cancelled! We'll find out next week, apparently, but it's shakey. Fans had to save the show for Season 2 last year too. I NEED TO SEE MORE BADASS LUCY.
posted by numaner at 2:16 PM on May 18, 2018
posted by numaner at 2:16 PM on May 18, 2018
> fifteen schnitzengruben is my limit:
"Now he can fulfill his dream of enforcing Blackwatch Plaid nationwide."
[continues looking for a downside as he has yet to see one]
posted by Samizdata at 1:51 AM on May 19, 2018 [1 favorite]
"Now he can fulfill his dream of enforcing Blackwatch Plaid nationwide."
[continues looking for a downside as he has yet to see one]
posted by Samizdata at 1:51 AM on May 19, 2018 [1 favorite]
'The Expanse' Revived for Season 4 at Amazon
THE PREMISE OF THIS POST IS NOW CANCELLED
posted by Artw at 3:14 PM on May 21, 2018 [14 favorites]
THE PREMISE OF THIS POST IS NOW CANCELLED
posted by Artw at 3:14 PM on May 21, 2018 [14 favorites]
Whew! and hey, Amazon is developing Consder Phlebas.
posted by bq at 5:08 PM on May 21, 2018 [2 favorites]
posted by bq at 5:08 PM on May 21, 2018 [2 favorites]
Revived? You mean, potentially revived. Don't get my hopes up for nothing Beratna! *Holding of breath commences*
posted by Coaticass at 1:53 AM on May 22, 2018 [1 favorite]
posted by Coaticass at 1:53 AM on May 22, 2018 [1 favorite]
(Also I would favourite Artw's post more than once if I could, haha.)
posted by Coaticass at 1:55 AM on May 22, 2018
posted by Coaticass at 1:55 AM on May 22, 2018
'The Expanse' Revived for Season 4 at Amazon
Headline is a bit optomistic, nothing's been finalised yet (afaik) but Amazon are in talks (also Bezos is a huge fan of the books which I'm sure will help)
posted by fearfulsymmetry at 6:12 AM on May 22, 2018 [1 favorite]
Headline is a bit optomistic, nothing's been finalised yet (afaik) but Amazon are in talks (also Bezos is a huge fan of the books which I'm sure will help)
posted by fearfulsymmetry at 6:12 AM on May 22, 2018 [1 favorite]
io9 at least slipped in a “probably” to its breathless headline: Holy Crap, Amazon Is Probably Bringing Back The Expanse
posted by Artw at 6:36 AM on May 22, 2018 [2 favorites]
posted by Artw at 6:36 AM on May 22, 2018 [2 favorites]
You can breathe, Coaticass; I think Bezos is a reliable enough source.
posted by MikeKD at 6:34 AM on May 26, 2018 [3 favorites]
posted by MikeKD at 6:34 AM on May 26, 2018 [3 favorites]
Bezos now slightly less evil
posted by fearfulsymmetry at 7:08 AM on May 26, 2018 [2 favorites]
posted by fearfulsymmetry at 7:08 AM on May 26, 2018 [2 favorites]
Yes, I am breathing well, thanks. Show and Book-writer Dan Abraham's tweet quoting the old union song Joe Hill gives me life. As does this response.
posted by Coaticass at 6:06 PM on May 26, 2018 [1 favorite]
posted by Coaticass at 6:06 PM on May 26, 2018 [1 favorite]
Heathers Reboot Scrapped Entirely at Paramount Network
posted by Artw at 6:21 AM on June 2, 2018 [6 favorites]
posted by Artw at 6:21 AM on June 2, 2018 [6 favorites]
Wasn't Heathers the reboot that completely missed the point of the original, and then kind of forgot what was the point they were making anyway?
posted by lmfsilva at 8:08 AM on June 2, 2018 [3 favorites]
posted by lmfsilva at 8:08 AM on June 2, 2018 [3 favorites]
It was an abomination, yes.
posted by Artw at 8:17 AM on June 2, 2018 [2 favorites]
posted by Artw at 8:17 AM on June 2, 2018 [2 favorites]
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According to a new FX study, the total number of English-language scripted originals released in 2017 hit a new high, growing 7 percent to 487 (up from 455 in 2016). As has been the case in the past four years, subscription-video-on-demand platforms like deep-pocketed Netflix and Amazon led the charge, growing from 90 in 2016 to 117 last year. That's more than double the 49 total series on the streaming services in 2015.
"Without a crystal ball, I think it's highly likely we top 500 [in 2018] because the increases in the last three years have been 9 percent, 8 percent and 7 percent, year-over-year," FX CEO John Landgraf, who coined the term "Peak TV," tells The Hollywood Reporter. "With 487, you only have to increase 2.7 percent off this year's total to hit 500. It seems like it's more likely that you're going to get to 520."
With numbers like that it's certainly possible that the number of cancelled shows in a given year could be more than the total number of shows on the three-network schedule a few decades back.
TBS the world of scripted English shows includes markets like the UK and Australia. Still.
posted by dhartung at 5:32 PM on May 11, 2018 [3 favorites]