👏 OVER 3 MINUTES OF THE MOST INTENSE FILM EDITING YOU'VE EVER SEEN 👏
June 20, 2023 11:35 AM   Subscribe

 
Well, I had quite a high fever! You won't imagine the things I saw!
posted by hippybear at 11:41 AM on June 20, 2023


Wow, that's some WWE-level kayfabe.
posted by tommasz at 11:41 AM on June 20, 2023


I feel like the "rolling the car window down" made its point rather emphatically.
posted by hippybear at 11:49 AM on June 20, 2023 [5 favorites]


Okay, it is now my life's ambition to slap someone so hard that they hang themselves. I have candidates in mind.
posted by Naberius at 11:49 AM on June 20, 2023 [21 favorites]


Overdramatic? Nah, sometimes it’s just like that. Sometimes being disrespected at a party makes me want to spin into the curtains and choke myself on the drapery. Staredowns feel like my aspect ratio is squeezing and stretching. These simply externalize the interior in the funniest way possible.
posted by Mizu at 11:50 AM on June 20, 2023 [6 favorites]




I love me some TV vernacular! But I'm unclear what I'm seeing here.. Are these clips of Indian soap operas portrayed exactly as they were broadcast, a collection of 10 or so 45 second clips? Or has each clip itself been edited by the YouTube producer to enhance the drama?

Particularly asking for this bit 90 seconds in: so many cuts from face to face, slight rotating camera, and the music transitions just make no sense. Or maybe that's how it works in the original show?
posted by Nelson at 12:03 PM on June 20, 2023 [5 favorites]


It's much livelier than Young and the Restless, that's for sure. I was in a waiting room yesterday, Y&R was on, and I swear those people hadn't moved since I last watched in 1998.
posted by Capt. Renault at 12:04 PM on June 20, 2023 [11 favorites]


I cannot imagine having a conversation with an aunt go so badly that the audience's perspective shatters into pieces and falls to the ground.
posted by mhoye at 12:09 PM on June 20, 2023 [2 favorites]


Are these clips of Indian soap operas portrayed exactly as they were broadcast,

It's this. That is how they were broadcast with an editor and editing style the threatens to break your sanity.
posted by Fizz at 12:11 PM on June 20, 2023 [11 favorites]


It's really a good way of using current tools to convey emotion and other things. It's very cartoony but it is quite effective and I have zero arguments with it.

Scott Pilgrim was experimenting with many of the same concepts even while executing them differently.
posted by hippybear at 12:14 PM on June 20, 2023 [1 favorite]


This gives me a real Darkplace slow-mo vibe.
posted by Dysk at 12:15 PM on June 20, 2023 [2 favorites]




I cannot imagine having a conversation with an aunt go so badly that the audience's perspective shatters into pieces and falls to the ground.

I can, and I'm not even Indian -- just a Southerner.

I wonder what the little girl was upset about, the one who was so dressed up.
posted by Countess Elena at 12:18 PM on June 20, 2023 [2 favorites]


Is there a symbolic significance to having your bindi run down your forehead?
posted by hippybear at 12:27 PM on June 20, 2023


Is there a symbolic significance to having your bindi run down your forehead?

Yes, there is significance. You can read more here.
posted by Fizz at 12:30 PM on June 20, 2023 [3 favorites]


I don't see any information in that link being "you applied a round bindi but now it's running down your forehead and this is the symbolic significance". That's what I'm asking about.
posted by hippybear at 12:33 PM on June 20, 2023 [1 favorite]


From the wiki:
In addition to the bindi, in India, a vermilion mark in the parting of the hair just above the forehead is worn by married women as commitment to long-life and well-being of their husbands. During all Hindu marriage ceremonies, the groom applies sindoor in the part in the bride's hair.
posted by Fizz at 12:34 PM on June 20, 2023 [1 favorite]


Keep in mind, these traditions while common, will vary and will be different for every person, place, & specific faith/culture they are a part of. Also, the design and costuming you see in the tv shows are often heightened for dramatic purposes, as well as to clearly signal to the audience who is a villain, and who is a hero.
posted by Fizz at 12:38 PM on June 20, 2023 [2 favorites]


I haven't watched the video, but I'm reading hippybear's question more as "you applied this in one place, and now it's migrating to someplace else" and does that have a symbolic or emotional meaning, maybe similar to how running mascara is used to depict an emotional state for western women on TV.
posted by LionIndex at 12:40 PM on June 20, 2023 [6 favorites]


I think its just runny or applied in a very different or maybe haphazard way, but outside of that, couldn't really say.
posted by Fizz at 12:42 PM on June 20, 2023


Literally not the question I'm asking. But thanks!
posted by hippybear at 12:44 PM on June 20, 2023


Gotcha - so it could just be a different cultural standard on bindi application in the first place.
posted by LionIndex at 12:44 PM on June 20, 2023 [1 favorite]


No, I mean, LionIndex's question is the question I'm asking, and Fizz is answering questions I'm not asking.
posted by hippybear at 12:45 PM on June 20, 2023 [3 favorites]


Director: We'll fix it in post

Editor: You bet your sweet bippie we will
posted by credulous at 12:48 PM on June 20, 2023 [12 favorites]


Hippybear, if you're asking why some bindis are "runny" as opposed to a perfect circle, that's because the pigment is often, but not always, applied by hand. (Think dabbing your finger in the pigment and then pressing your finger against the forehead.)

There is no cultural significance associated with a runny-pigmented bindi. The only difference when you see a runny bindi versus a perfect, circular bindi is in how the pigment was applied, which is a matter of personal preference/material availability.

For example, I married into a Punjabi family and was gifted a lot of rhinestone bindis that I can apply to my head because they have an adhesive backing. But when my mother-in-law invites a priest to our home to conduct a puja, the priest often 'anoints' us with a bindi using a red pigment that comes in a small box, similar to an ink pad.

The differences are more decorative or material-based.
posted by nightrecordings at 12:48 PM on June 20, 2023 [7 favorites]


How to clean your computer and get rid of viruses (Indian soap-opera edition)

Speaking as someone who just had to replace a laptop that had a catastrophic failure - this is hilarious. Thanks.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 12:52 PM on June 20, 2023


There is no cultural significance associated with a runny-pigmented bindi.

Thank you. I have worn bindi out dancing for various events, and have never seen them depicted in media as running before, regardless of the mess my sweat might have made of them with my wearing. I figure in any filmed production, the choice to show a bindi running or not would be a deliberate choice of the production crew, so I was wondering if that was supposed to indicate something. Much like LionIndex's mention of running mascara having an implication within Western media about the person wearing it.
posted by hippybear at 12:58 PM on June 20, 2023


Reminds me of a Tamil parody of these overly dramatic and long tele serials. There is not a link to it, but it goes roughly as.. Main character took something up the stairs - 25 episodes, But they forgot something, so they had to come down, another 25 episodes. Then they went up the stairs again, yet another 25 episodes.

IMO this is some of the best collab to come out of Indian soap opera scenes. Pressure cooker explosion plot autotuned
posted by ssri at 1:04 PM on June 20, 2023 [2 favorites]


This is the ideal depiction of reality. You may not like it, but this is what the true reality we all inhabit looks like.
posted by GCU Sweet and Full of Grace at 1:06 PM on June 20, 2023 [7 favorites]


baby tossed off cliff by woman's long braid (not edited)

... has me asking so many questions.
posted by credulous at 1:06 PM on June 20, 2023 [5 favorites]


... has me asking so many questions.

I mean, seems cut and dry, she used her hair to throw a baby off a cliff. Just normal ass stuff.
posted by Fizz at 1:08 PM on June 20, 2023 [4 favorites]


I went to a crew cut because of all the babies that were dying when I had long hair.
posted by hippybear at 1:09 PM on June 20, 2023 [1 favorite]


Gonna slap you so hard your bindi runs.

American soaps have a lot of catching up to do.
posted by Abehammerb Lincoln at 1:09 PM on June 20, 2023 [2 favorites]


WHAT HAPPENED TO THE BABY
posted by Abehammerb Lincoln at 1:10 PM on June 20, 2023 [7 favorites]


Is there a symbolic significance to having your bindi run down your forehead?

As Fizz and nightrecordings have noted, there is no symbolic significance to it having run down in real life. However, the accidental act of the sindoor (in between the eyebrows) smudging up or away was heavily used as a metaphor in S.Indian regional cinema to indicate that the woman's husband had died. As a device. Growing up, I remember seeing a lot of Tamil movie scenes this way. Maybe it was just the New-Agey 80s... I don't recall any B&W movies showing that.
posted by ssri at 1:14 PM on June 20, 2023 [9 favorites]


... has me asking so many questions.

I think that's supposed to be her grandson... This was a long-running TV series that would have had a much longer innings, if not for COVID. The first season had 409 episodes.
posted by ssri at 1:17 PM on June 20, 2023


However, the accidental act of the sindoor (in between the eyebrows) smudging up or away was heavily used as a metaphor in S.Indian regional cinema to indicate that the woman's husband had died.

So maybe there's a thing going on in these clips in this linked video where a woman has someone breaking up with her, so that's why the bindi is running?

I don't want to make too much out of this. I just find that makeup choices are often very intentional in media and don't have enough cultural context to know if this is carelessness or deliberate.
posted by hippybear at 1:23 PM on June 20, 2023


Love the video. Exemplary.
posted by Phanx at 1:32 PM on June 20, 2023


So maybe there's a thing going on in these clips in this linked video where a woman has someone breaking up with her, so that's why the bindi is running?

If you mean the clip starting at 0:57.. that is a Marathi (from the state of Maharashtra) series and I may be wrong, but her bindi is actually two dots (which is a common design there) and the video compression shows it as runny...

My knowledge of Marathi is near-zero but that doesn't strike me as a breakup scene and that they used this device. It seems more like a period piece. also like I said, I haven't seen that device in movies not made in the 80s.. before or after.
posted by ssri at 1:36 PM on June 20, 2023 [1 favorite]


Okay, thank you. It's not significant based on feedback here, and is just a thing with the filming.

It's difficult, being outside the culture, to know what the signifiers are for This Is An Important Thing and This Is Nothing At All, because I don't know what the, for lack of a better word is, punctuation marks for production values.
posted by hippybear at 1:38 PM on June 20, 2023 [3 favorites]


I thought this was good, but then youtube served me up Nollywood funniest moments. Those Nigerian editors definitely looked at the baby thrown off a cliff by a woman's braid and thought "hold my beer..."
posted by EllaEm at 1:45 PM on June 20, 2023 [4 favorites]


That compilation went from static to dramatic and on to a second-level subtlety.

I was sad that the vase and flowers only fell once.
posted by GenjiandProust at 1:47 PM on June 20, 2023 [4 favorites]


LMAO my yt history assures me I have seen this compilation before (and the laptop cleaning one) but i feel like there's one iconic one that went viral around the same time years back but now i can't remember it. Mind you the only soap/serial i ever watched was that one about the snake demon who shape shifted and joined a rich family. I remember going, damn Southeast Asian soaps have got nothing on these guys lol.
posted by cendawanita at 1:48 PM on June 20, 2023 [1 favorite]


It's difficult, being outside the culture, to know what the signifiers are for This Is An Important Thing and This Is Nothing At All, because I don't know what the, for lack of a better word is, punctuation marks for production values.

At the risk of offending people who work with Indian TV/film... in my not-so-informed opinion, most Indian TV series and movies before this decade do not have high production values (and even with recent ones, most Indian TV shows are hyperactive). There is a lot of sloppiness, continuity errors and the like, that you notice when you are primed for it. There is not much thought or deliberation put forth at that level of granularity that one is accustomed to expecting from Western TV/cinema (I know, that is a big umbrella). For example, I only learned about these things by reading IMDB pages for American TV shows in the 00's.
posted by ssri at 1:50 PM on June 20, 2023 [1 favorite]


I hope tomorrow at work in India some guy is introduced to ridiculous editing from 70s blacksploitation and 80s karate and horror movies, and enjoys it as much as I enjoyed these. Balance will be restored.
posted by Abehammerb Lincoln at 2:00 PM on June 20, 2023 [5 favorites]


just think what sergio leone could have done with this
posted by pyramid termite at 2:30 PM on June 20, 2023 [5 favorites]


You may not like it, but this is what the true reality we all inhabit looks like.

I was entertained but also left with a renewed and deep-seated appreciation for chatGPT’s firm grasp of reality.

Also, in retrospect most shonen battle anime are actually incredibly restrained. Who knew!
posted by Ryvar at 3:05 PM on June 20, 2023 [1 favorite]


My Loony Bun Is Fine Benny Lava
posted by bendy at 4:26 PM on June 20, 2023 [3 favorites]


I mean, seems cut and dry, she used her hair to throw a baby off a cliff. Just normal ass stuff.

Wait, the braid is made of ass hair? And that’s normal to you?


Oh. Oh, I see.
posted by nickmark at 5:34 PM on June 20, 2023 [1 favorite]


Honey, wake up! A new film grammar import just dropped.
posted by Ivan Fyodorovich at 6:50 PM on June 20, 2023 [1 favorite]


just a thing with the filming.

I don't mean to complicate matters buuuuut ... in certain contexts (like mine), the smeary large bright-red bindi quietly indicates religiosity. Bigger only-red "smeary" bindi equals more religious, conservative, traditional (if applied outside of specific festivals and dates that are significant to the community). Smaller bejeweled bindi equals more modern/western. It gets even more exaggerated in the diaspora community. If the woman has one, and the man has one as well, then that's a religiosity multiplier (our group expects women to be more religious than men, which is ... uhh, complicated but even so that's the expectation). There's no way an outsider would be expected to know any of this, of course. It's a bit of an in-group signifier.

...land of contrasts, and all that.

(Also, to hell with hindutva. Trying to mash everyone into the same fascist mold and extinguish our languages. This is an orthogonal remark I am compelled to make at every opportunity.)
posted by aramaic at 6:50 PM on June 20, 2023 [6 favorites]


Let us always revisit the most hilariously bizarre death scene in cinema history.
posted by zardoz at 7:40 PM on June 20, 2023 [2 favorites]


I wonder if this style emerged from budget-conscious producers urging editors to stretch 10 minutes of shot footage into 45.
posted by Sauce Trough at 8:22 PM on June 20, 2023 [1 favorite]


Or it's a cover for bad actors. It's very very evocative, and it transcends any language barrier. It might also have to do with the many languages in India and things needing to cross boundaries?

I have to say, it's not a style I'd really hate. Parker Lewis Can't Lose did something similar to this, and also as I said up thread Scott Pilgrim was playing with these ideas a bit.
posted by hippybear at 8:39 PM on June 20, 2023


Thank you for this, Fizz, I'm not having a very good day, but this has really helped!

I wonder if this style emerged from budget-conscious producers urging editors to stretch 10 minutes of shot footage into 45.


I think you're right. I used to watch Hindi soaps with my grandmother back in the day. It was our thing we used to do together and I remember those days very fondly. She would translate them for me. A good 1/3 (at a conservative estimate) of these were repetitive reaction shots (shocked mom, shocked dad, shocked granny, smirking evil sister in law, then back to shocked mom) and I remember feeling annoyed that very little actually happened in a single episode because so much of the running time was taken up by those over the top reactions filmed from multiple viewpoints. I guess that might be one reason for them. If you're going to spend so much of your running time on showing the same slow motion slap from multiple angles, you can stretch out your story for many more episodes.
posted by unicorn chaser at 3:05 AM on June 21, 2023 [2 favorites]


you can stretch out your story for many more episodes

I got started on Turkish soaps/series that are on Netflix for a bit and i genuinely forgot how slow they can be. And then I found out I was watching the shortened international version (of about an hour long). Back home, 2 hours per episode easy. Didn't realize that Stranger Things was doing a callback to that tradition.
posted by cendawanita at 5:09 AM on June 21, 2023 [2 favorites]


This was a long-running TV series that would have had a much longer innings, if not for COVID. The first season had 409 episodes.

It sounds like the TV series run like cricket matches.

There is a lot of sloppiness, continuity errors and the like, that you notice when you are primed for it.

Some of those slaps and punches had a lot of daylight between them.
posted by slogger at 7:18 AM on June 21, 2023


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