A Kind of Kinky Turing Test

November 14, 2023 2:10 AM

This adds another layer: Beyond just being financially dominated, the user is further made lesser by the fact that they’re being dominated by something that isn’t even trying to seem human ... “A lot of kink and submission also has to do with ‘depersonalization.’ I think that being dominated by AI is just a way to feel further separated from one’s human identity,” Witt-Eden explained. “By interacting with an inanimate computer program, one also becomes an inferior object.” from Welcome to the Kinky World of AI Financial Domination

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posted by chavenet (27 comments total)

We need to raise taxes.

Truly, humans will use anything for sex, and this is just salacious framing for what's otherwise a state of tech article, but really, just send money to a charity and masturbate to something else.
posted by jellywerker at 3:12 AM on November 14, 2023 [8 favorites]

Maybe we could get the wealthy to fetishize paying taxes. Nationalize the FinDoms, as it were.
posted by GenjiandProust at 3:40 AM on November 14, 2023 [47 favorites]

i know you’re not supposed to kink shame but i’m making an exception here
posted by dis_integration at 4:41 AM on November 14, 2023 [25 favorites]

I can no longer distinguish an unfamiliar subculture from an elaborate joke.
posted by rouftop at 5:12 AM on November 14, 2023 [28 favorites]

I love how the fancy "AI" findomme startup didn't even consider things like consent, boundaries of the findomme, or how the "AIs"behavior would reflect on her.

Really worth 50% of the take!

(It's not AI, it's sparkling LLM)
posted by jonnay at 5:22 AM on November 14, 2023 [4 favorites]

Publisher: "William Gibson, I'd like you to meet Chuck Tingle. Chuck Tingle, I'd like you to meet William Gibson."
posted by KingEdRa at 5:22 AM on November 14, 2023 [37 favorites]

Pounded in the wallet by our technodystopian future.
posted by Richard Saunders at 5:55 AM on November 14, 2023 [39 favorites]

There's a variety of automated "dom/me" programs, and have been since at least Win95 - this is the first financial one I've seen, though. Huh.
posted by Mogur at 5:58 AM on November 14, 2023 [4 favorites]

"Select all boxes that contain a worthless little pay pig."
posted by bondcliff at 6:42 AM on November 14, 2023 [24 favorites]

I can be insulted and abused online for free.
posted by chronkite at 6:43 AM on November 14, 2023 [15 favorites]

It's one of those things I don't get. If I wanted to pay inordinate amounts of money for a humiliating and ultimately futile experience, I'd just go back to grad school.
posted by Mr. Bad Example at 7:06 AM on November 14, 2023 [24 favorites]

I'd just call my HVAC technician.
posted by credulous at 7:12 AM on November 14, 2023 [5 favorites]

Pounded in the wallet by our technodystopian future.

The pounding is here; it's just not evenly distributed.
posted by jquinby at 7:23 AM on November 14, 2023 [15 favorites]

OK now I want a Tingle/Gibson re-imagining of Seven Brides for Seven Brothers with more sex blackmail.
posted by MonsieurPEB at 7:33 AM on November 14, 2023 [3 favorites]

I fully support automating the process of taking money from the extremely rich and telling them they're worthless. If some of them might get particularly horned up over the process, that's an acceptable risk.
posted by mhoye at 7:41 AM on November 14, 2023 [10 favorites]

Maybe we could get the wealthy to fetishize paying taxes.

I like where this is going in an almost Borgesian direction.

Imagine programmers creating bots which use findom for what they see as social good:
-redistribute wealth (but to whom, and how?)
-fund revolutionary organizations
-funnel money to the global south as climate reparations
-set up a secret Fully Automated Luxury Space Communism project
posted by doctornemo at 8:00 AM on November 14, 2023 [7 favorites]

There’s a stocks and bonds joke in here somewhere, if only I had time enough and coffee.
posted by Ishbadiddle at 8:08 AM on November 14, 2023 [17 favorites]

I've always considered all software* - AI or otherwise - to be deficient to at least some degree, not dominant. As a human being I feel superior to it and constantly disappointed by it.

*present company excepted, of course
posted by Greg_Ace at 8:25 AM on November 14, 2023 [1 favorite]

AI Financial Domination? Ridiculous!

Now excuse me, I'm overdue for today's tasks in my current gacha game. (Daily login bonus!)
posted by SPrintF at 8:32 AM on November 14, 2023 [2 favorites]

I'm sure we wouldn't have any problem getting folks to line up for a chance to kick rich people in the ass. The rich person would pay and all the kickers would get a percentage. It covers all the bases, everyone will walk away (some slowly) having gotten something from the experience.
posted by tommasz at 9:26 AM on November 14, 2023 [2 favorites]

The rich people in this story aren't paying to be financially humiliated. The rich people in this story are the ones taking a slice from between the paypigs and the findoms.
posted by Western Infidels at 9:51 AM on November 14, 2023 [6 favorites]

Authoritarians going to authoritarian.
posted by ob1quixote at 10:04 AM on November 14, 2023 [2 favorites]

As an aspiring robosexual, I don't approve.

now, if you'll excuse me, I need to be fitted with a robust mouthguard so that I can, in fact, bite someone's shiny metal ass.
posted by Halloween Jack at 12:07 PM on November 14, 2023 [3 favorites]

@Ishbadiddle —

Stocks and bondage.
posted by nicodine at 3:39 PM on November 14, 2023 [2 favorites]

Imagine programmers creating bots which use findom for what they see as social good:
-redistribute wealth (but to whom, and how?)
-fund revolutionary organizations
-funnel money to the global south as climate reparations
-set up a secret Fully Automated Luxury Space Communism project

A fair number of pro-dommes and other sex workers already have this aim - redistribute money from their clients towards social good, mutual aid, and other things in the Luxury Space Communism category.
posted by creatrixtiara at 8:35 PM on November 15, 2023 [1 favorite]

Also to those of you balking or kink-shaming or whatever: AI aside, how is this that much different than other forms of sex work? It's payment for services rendered.

(I say "AI aside" because I posted that Previously link and while there was no mention of AI there, the response was much the same)
posted by creatrixtiara at 12:04 AM on November 16, 2023

(Well to be fair, there were some pretty open comments on the other thread too, but still some judgement from others that I'm seeing here again)
posted by creatrixtiara at 12:05 AM on November 16, 2023