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June 3, 2004 6:14 AM   Subscribe

The trailer for Fahrenheit 9/11 is now online, and the official U.S. opening date has been set for June 25. Long wait, and long download for some bandwidths, but worth it.
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MetaFilter: Long, but worth it.
posted by Eekacat at 6:21 AM on June 3, 2004

Sit down my son. We don't read most of the bills.

This is going to be good.
posted by Pretty_Generic at 6:34 AM on June 3, 2004

Oh yes.
posted by mr.marx at 6:49 AM on June 3, 2004

Bush parodies himself.

"I call upon all nations, to do everything they can, to stop these terrosist killers. Thank you.... now watch this drive."

It's priceless!
posted by disgruntled at 6:55 AM on June 3, 2004

Gah.... I wish this was available in a non-streaming format. In true Moore fashion, being able to share the file would help "spread the love"
posted by Robot Johnny at 6:57 AM on June 3, 2004

Can we just stipulate in advance that:

[ ] some people don't like Moore
[ ] think he's fat and shabby
[ ] is the Left version of Ann Coulter
[ ] does more harm than good
[ ] has a partisan axe to grind
[ ] is all hype/no substance

... and avoid another emotional bash-a-thonin favor of discussing the movie and its potential impact?

I didn't think so. *sigh*

I'll be in AskMefi if anyone needs me ...
posted by RavinDave at 6:57 AM on June 3, 2004

what would michael moore do if there was liberals in office?

go bankrupt, that's what :-)
posted by angry modem at 7:13 AM on June 3, 2004

America needs this wake-up call.
posted by archimago at 7:18 AM on June 3, 2004

Gah.... I wish this was available in a non-streaming format. In true Moore fashion, being able to share the file would help "spread the love"

mplayer -dumpfile fahrenheit_911.asf -dumpstream mms://

Should work on all of the interesting platforms... I know it worked for me. :)
posted by togdon at 7:23 AM on June 3, 2004

togdon, can you explain your post a bit more? Like where to stick that code, for example.
posted by sic at 7:32 AM on June 3, 2004

I tell you guys this may be the first time in at least five years I actually go to see a movie a cinema.
posted by elpapacito at 7:38 AM on June 3, 2004

togdon, I get the error "stream not seekable". I'm running XP, and I installed mplayer from your link.
posted by Pretty_Generic at 7:45 AM on June 3, 2004

What we need is for somebody to BitTorrent the downloaded file.
posted by waldo at 7:45 AM on June 3, 2004

Tenet resigns
posted by matteo at 7:49 AM on June 3, 2004

Like where to stick that code, for example.

On the command line. Start -> Run -> cmd on Windows (I think). On OSX and Linux just open up a shell.

I get the error "stream not seekable".

I got the same warning, the file works fine in the end, it just means that if you were viewing it, and not ripping it, that you wouldn't be able to seek (fast fwd/reverse) in the file. It took about 5 minutes or so to rip on my 1.5Mb DSL.

Any recommendations on a tracker to torrent it? I'd use SuprNova but I figure it's blocked most places. I'd put it up on my webserver, but you'd all crush it... :)
posted by togdon at 7:54 AM on June 3, 2004

Shweet! I start on a thread about F911, and end up finding the niftiest program, MPlayer. No, it's Windows Media Player (though WMP used to have the same name), click on the links that Trogdon posted. I made the same mistake at first myself. Worked fine for me, 25MB file, now spreading throughout the office ...
posted by billpena at 8:07 AM on June 3, 2004

I'm uploading to my uncrushable college server. It's taking a while.
posted by Pretty_Generic at 8:07 AM on June 3, 2004

Well, that didn't work.
posted by Pretty_Generic at 8:13 AM on June 3, 2004

Togden, you rock. That worked like a charm. Now to find a place to stash/share it...
posted by shoepal at 8:18 AM on June 3, 2004

So how much of this did Moore fabricate? About the same as his last film? Google Cache cos I can't seem to access the page. I would never say a single word in support of Bush, but having seen Bowling for Columbine (which I enjoyed) and read Stupid White Men (which I didn't), I can't help but think Moore is an arsehole. Still, I'll probably download see the film.
posted by Orange Goblin at 8:22 AM on June 3, 2004

Downloadable here (until the bandwidth runs out) [right-click save]

Thanks to Togdon for help with the acquisition...
posted by shoepal at 8:29 AM on June 3, 2004

shoepal: bandwidth exceeded.
posted by Fofer at 8:35 AM on June 3, 2004

damn! damn! damn! Sorry. Grr.
posted by shoepal at 8:41 AM on June 3, 2004

Try StreamDown for your stream ripping pleasure.
posted by Civil_Disobedient at 8:43 AM on June 3, 2004

Weird pre 9-11 money supply anomaly :

There's an odd "9-11" anomaly obvious in the figures from that graph - a 75 billion plus M1 bulge in the 3-month period just prior to Sept. 11. It's very unusual in context - the month-to-month M1 fluctuations during the four years prior to September 11, 2001 were only very occasionally more than 10 billion - around 15 billion twice (I counted) and maybe 13 billion once. And the average fluctuation is probably only 3-5 billion. But in June-July 2001, M1 goes up about 12 billion, and then again by the same amount in July-August. Then, in August to September, BAM! - a 52 billion increase (off the scale).

Then, in the September to October 2001 period, M1 declines by 37.5 billion.

posted by troutfishing at 8:45 AM on June 3, 2004

togdon, please help:

Stream not seekable!
Ahhhh, stream_chunck size is too small: 4
Error while parsing chunk header
Core dumped ;)


I'm in Debian stable.

(why can't the fat bastard just have a link that says "click here to download the trailer?)
posted by bingo at 8:53 AM on June 3, 2004

yeah, I saw that comment troutfishing. It does seem rather fishy that they pumped it up a few months before 9/11 sans reason or explanation. Maybe to soften the blow, so to speak?

Here's a dropload of the trailer, but since it can only be downloaded once, please only someone that can mirror it for others download it.
posted by shoepal at 8:59 AM on June 3, 2004

check the URL in my profile if you want to download (self link!)... my site requires registration, and if my bandwidth is getting hammered too hard I'll have to pull the file. BUT until then, enjoy!
posted by howa2396 at 9:05 AM on June 3, 2004

When Bush-Bashers Collide. Moore's Film at Odds with Clarke Remarks
While promoting the documentary, Moore has not been shy in linking Bush's alleged "relationship" with the bin Laden family to the flight that took the bin Ladens and other Saudis from the U.S. following Sept. 11, 2001.

"So here is Bush trying to deal with everything on Sept. 11, 12 13th, you know. You remember, everybody remembers the total state of chaos and people, just everyone, all of us, discombobulated by the whole thing, and he had the time to be thinking -- what can I do to help the bin Ladens right now," Moore told Pacifica radio last October.

"And all of these elaborate plans were made, because [the Saudis] were spread out throughout the country, to be able to pick them up, get them to Boston and then get them to Paris," Moore said.

"While we are being told that the hunt is on for Osama bin Laden, what is really going on is when you got 24 bin Ladens here, (a disputed number) you know, none of them are asked for any kind of help. None of them are interrogated, and they are given the royal red carpet treatment in the days after September 11th. My question is why? What is really going on here?" Moore asked.

But [Richard] Clarke recently admitted that he alone approved the exit of the bin Laden kin -- damaging the key premise of Moore's film.

The decision to approve the flights, Clarke admitted last week, had been his own. The request "didn't get any higher than me," he told The Hill .

"On 9-11, 9-12 and 9-13, many things didn't get any higher than me. I decided it in consultation with the FBI," Clarke said of the plane flight carrying bin Laden's relatives.

"I take responsibility for it. I don't think it was a mistake, and I'd do it again," he added. The Saudis and bin Laden's relatives were flown from the U.S. out of fear for their safety following the terror attacks.
posted by David Dark at 9:06 AM on June 3, 2004

Orange Goblin, first, I'm not a Moorehead. I just saw Roger and Me this weekend and I didn't care for the way he tried to blame a failing community on one man who only had a small role in its demise, but he pretty reputably defended everything that he presented in Columbine as factual. The fact that he had a corps of fact checkers and lawyers comb every bit of that movie multiple times is admirable. Making 9/11 he knew he would be visciously attacked by the right, and I'm sure he has taken great pains to be factual. Using facts to manipulate your audience is not the same as making facts up.
posted by archimago at 9:12 AM on June 3, 2004

In the past few years, Moore's become a bit more shrill, but I think his movies, while sometimes victims of bad editing for the sake of getting his point across, stand on their own.

Bowling for Columnbine, to me, was about America's fascination with violence especially in contrast to Canada. Sure guns were a big part of it, but I didn't see the film as anti-gun. But in the end, I think the movie didn't win many converts and turned most of the public away from his message.

When I first heard of this 9/11 movie, I thought he went off the deepend (the inflammatory title, etc). But watching this clip, it looks like many folks will see something new in it. I think Saudi Arabia is a bipartisan issue -- everyone seems to find the Saudi gov't dubious. My hope is that Moore isn't so over the top on this movie so that everyone finds something to like or points to be made in it, but I think the title alone will drive folks away.
posted by mathowie at 9:15 AM on June 3, 2004

ok. I've also posted a smaller (10meg) converted AVI to Filepile, so that should help somewhat. Perhaps Matt can stick it in his junkdrawer as he is wont to do.
posted by shoepal at 9:15 AM on June 3, 2004

bingo: I got that same error, but the resulting file works fine.
posted by mrbill at 9:19 AM on June 3, 2004

Torrent here. I'm hosting it, so let me know if there are any problems. Keep those windows open after you're done downloading!
posted by zsazsa at 9:22 AM on June 3, 2004

Ray Bradbury: "Michael Moore is an asshole"
Michael Moore stole the title to his fictuous documentary "Fahrenheit 9/11" from author Ray Bradbury (picture), who in 1953 wrote his dystopic scifi classic "Fahrenheit 451." So what does Ray Bradbury, now 84 years old, think about Moore using his book title for his Bush-bashing movie project?

The answer is, as journalists in the Swedish daily Dagens Nyheter found out when they called the author, that he is mighty pissed off. Here's my translation of the juicier bits of the interview.

"Michael Moore is a screwed asshole, that is what I think about that case. He stole my title and changed the numbers without ever asking me for permission.

Have you spoken to him?

- He is a horrible human being. Horrible human!

. . .

The conversation touched politics when Bradbury mentioned that Moore had ruined general Wesley Clark's chances to become the democrat's presidential candidate. Like several American commentators Bradbury means that Moore's support to Clark was a kiss of death when Clark did not distance himself from Moore's claim that Bush deserted from his military service.

- He slandered the president to general Clark, and Clark allowed him to do it. Clark should have said: "Don't say that. It is not true." That day Clark lost his chance to become president.

I understand. And you supported general Clark?

- No. I support honesty.
posted by David Dark at 9:26 AM on June 3, 2004

mrbill: ok, i do have the file. But in trying to play it, I got a "too many video packets in the buffer" error, and the sound stopped while the image continued. That, after the image had been substantially lagging behind the sound already.

I have great respect for Ray Bradbury, but I really couldn't give a fuck what he thinks about Michael Moore.
posted by bingo at 9:35 AM on June 3, 2004

howa2396, thanks!
posted by Robot Johnny at 9:40 AM on June 3, 2004

"Michael Moore stole the title to his fictuous documentary "Fahrenheit 9/11" from author Ray Bradbury (picture)"

So O'Reilly "stole" from Leone's The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly and Franken "stole" 'Fair and Balanced' from Fox? Not this nonsense again. Bradbury disappoints, particularly considering the primary premise of Fahrenheit 451 itself.
posted by juiceCake at 9:48 AM on June 3, 2004

Good on ya, zsazsa.
posted by Blue Stone at 9:53 AM on June 3, 2004

I don't get it... we're supposed to fault Michael Moore for not including information in his film that only became public knowledge last week? We're supposed to blame Michael Moore for thinking that the President of our country is the one calling the shots? We're supposed to care that Ray Bradbury doesn't like Michael Moore?
posted by turaho at 9:53 AM on June 3, 2004

what would michael moore do if there was liberals in office?
go bankrupt, that's what :-)

So, Bill Clinton (during whose presidency Moore did the majority of his work) was a conservative? Wow, you learn something new every day!
posted by badstone at 9:59 AM on June 3, 2004

what would michael moore do if there was liberals in office?

go bankrupt, that's what :-)

Huh? This movie is really Moore's first cinematic foray into presidential politics: his previous movies have focused more on cultural and corporate-responsibility issues. And I'm sure he'd find plenty to criticize even on the presidential level regardless of who's in office: he was pretty outspoken in his criticism of Clinton's trade policies and uses of military force, as I remember. Hell, he supported Nader over Gore in the 2000 election.
posted by mr_roboto at 10:00 AM on June 3, 2004

Looks like that bitch Charles Dickens stole one of Bradbury's subtitles: Another Tale of Two Cities
posted by Zetetics at 10:00 AM on June 3, 2004

I should add that, in fact, I generally respect Bradbury's work much more than Moore's. But it's true, you can't copywright a title (although conventional wisdom in Hollywood is that Lucas has laid down so many legal obstacles for anyone who might want to call something "Star Wars" that he has effectively copywrighted it anyway). And if Bradbury objected, was Moore going to change the title just to make him happy? A new screen version of Bradbury's book is in production, and Moore's film could only help its publicity. Leave it alone, Ray.
posted by bingo at 10:05 AM on June 3, 2004

Not only that, Zetetics, but Bradbury has used Dickens as a fictional character. Same with Emilie Dickinson and Edgar Alan Poe. I'm assuming that the rationale is that they're dead.
posted by bingo at 10:07 AM on June 3, 2004

I wonder what would happen if the people slamming moore so badly applied the same thought processes and considerations to bush. I think they would be in for a terrible surprise!
posted by mcsweetie at 10:12 AM on June 3, 2004

David Dark's first link (the Clarke vs Moore thing) comes from a site, until today new to me, that I fell in love with.
check out their front page:

George Soros Likens Iraqi Prisoner Abuse to 9/11 Attacks

CIA Director Resigning

NAACP Chairman Compares Republicans to Terrorists

Black Americans Urged to Consider Republican Policies

Alleged Memogate Conspirator: Fighting Judicial Nominees Is Left's Top Priority

Kerry's Remarks on Korean Policy and Reunification Questioned

Liberals Resist Move to 'Paperless' Electronic Ballots

Bush Campaign Accused of Crossing 'Church-State' Line

Voters Concerned About War, Drug Cards, Senators Say

Anti-War Group Enlists Father of Beheaded American

'Terminator' Schwarzenegger Urges Renewal of Gun Ban

Former NYT Editor Compares Kerry to 'Lurch'

Sidebar: Lurching Toward the Presidency?

'Ladies Night' Is Not All Right in New Jersey

Vox Populi: National Council of Churches

China Accused of Bullying Tactics Over Taiwan Inauguration

Russia Tightens GM Food Labeling

'Gay Romance Novels' Going Mainstream

Bush Haters Mix It Up

Other Headlines:
Swift Boat Veterans Tell Kerry to 'Cease and Desist'
Bush's WMD Anti-Proliferation Drive Boosted as Russia Signs Up
Massachusetts Judge Allegedly Colluded With Homosexuals
Judge Strikes Down Partial-Birth Abortion Ban

it's hilariously fair and balanced! thanks for the link!
posted by matteo at 10:22 AM on June 3, 2004

mcsweetie, what's wrong with a little irrational hatred. come on now. this movie looks like it'll be good.
posted by chunking express at 10:27 AM on June 3, 2004

what would michael moore do if there was liberals in office?

Make great shit like 'TV Nation', 'The Awful Truth' and 'Downsize This' like he did when Clinton was in office.
posted by tapeguy at 10:32 AM on June 3, 2004

angry modem - I seem to remember a few pages of 'Stupid White Men' were filled with a list of non-communitarian activities and legislation enacted by the so-callled Democrat party under Clinton. A futher portion of the book describers how to reclaim the Democrat party from the corporate lickspittles that currently run it.
So I am sure your comment was facetious.

Presently sucking the torrent, thanks zsazsa.
posted by asok at 10:42 AM on June 3, 2004

So, Bill Clinton (during whose presidency Moore did the majority of his work) was a conservative? Wow, you learn something new every day!

i'd say Bill Clinton was damn conservative. i think Michael Moore is a nice guy, but i pray (figuratively, of course) for the day when he "goes bankrupt" b/c of lack of material.

on preview: maybe you were being sarcastic, but my meter was off.

that cns site is hilarious. the Tenet story is already down to No. 5, beneath "memogate." wtf is "memogate"?

Elaine Jones > Bill Cosby
posted by mrgrimm at 10:48 AM on June 3, 2004

it's funny to see rw:ers like david dark being so scared shitless of michael moore they try to debunk the film without even seeing it.
posted by mr.marx at 10:58 AM on June 3, 2004

A thought - maybe Moore just lays into Bush more than he did to Clinton because Bush is a worse president than Clinton?
posted by tapeguy at 11:06 AM on June 3, 2004

I see there's a trailer for Michael Moore Hates America up, too. Complete with Penn Gillette!
posted by ewagoner at 11:12 AM on June 3, 2004

ah, Michael Moore Hates America.

i hate to trash a film i haven't seen, but that trailer is likely an accurate preview of what the film will be (i guess that's what it's supposed to be): interviews with the filmmaker, interviews with other people named Michael Moore, interviews with right-wing talk-show hosts, and clips from MSNBC, CNN, and Fox News. fantastic idea!

he's like Michael Moore without the research, perspective, or humor. the bravest man in america? give me a break. i'll take any of my local firemen over him anyday.
posted by mrgrimm at 11:20 AM on June 3, 2004

it's funny to see rw:ers like david dark being so scared shitless of michael moore they try to debunk the film without even seeing it.

This is precisely what I like most about MM, the way he gets the wingnuts to go into convulsions. I'm still waiting for Steve@Linwood to make his obligatory epileptic-seizure-like appearance in the thread....!
posted by sic at 11:26 AM on June 3, 2004

Ah! He must hate our freedom.
posted by adampsyche at 11:31 AM on June 3, 2004

shoepal, why do you hate filepile?
posted by stx23 at 11:52 AM on June 3, 2004

Did the World Trade Center towers undergo a deliberate “power-down” on the weekend prior to the 9-11 terrorist attacks?

"Forbes did stress, though, that there was power to the WTC’s lower floors, and that there were plenty of engineers going in-and-out of the WTC who had free access throughout the building due to its security system being knocked out. In an e-mail to journalist John Kaminski.....Forbes wrote: “Without power there were no security cameras, no security locks on doors, and many, many ‘engineers’ coming in and out of the tower.”...Forbes didn’t think much of these occurrences at the time"

Kinda reminds me of that statement, immediately after the WTC collapse, by one of the US' foremost demo experts - that the Towers were clearly demo-ed.

Man, he sure backpedalled fast on that call.

I drove into a one way tunnel once, in a '72 Plymouth Satellite. Wrong way. when I realized it, I backed up.

Real fast.

It was like that.
posted by troutfishing at 11:58 AM on June 3, 2004

42 seeds. With a little extra effort, we can turn this place into a bitching P2P community, as Matt originally intended.
posted by signal at 12:05 PM on June 3, 2004

I drove into a one way tunnel once, in a '72 Plymouth Satellite. Wrong way. when I realized it, I backed up.


I think having a hate movie about you is probably the most satisfying exoneration any artist can experience. I hope one day I can be relevant enough to warrant the filming of, "Robert Parker Hates America!"
posted by mcsweetie at 12:12 PM on June 3, 2004

One thing I've noticed is the lack of protest music over this war.

My theme song for this election is going to be "We Got Back The Plague" by the Fiery Furnaces. It's a great little anti-Bush number. Pissed off, but not too obvious.
posted by mr_roboto at 12:28 PM on June 3, 2004

skallas, i heard the Ten Years After (which is pretty sweet, nonetheless) and thought the same thing. where's the contemporary protest music? there were plenty of songs b4 the war, but i guess everybody is "supporting the troops" now.

mcsweetie (and troutfishing) made me laugh.
posted by mrgrimm at 12:30 PM on June 3, 2004

thanks sk. et al.
posted by matteo at 2:14 PM on June 3, 2004

let us hope mike does not choke on a cheeseburger......not.
posted by clavdivs at 2:38 PM on June 3, 2004

oh, I almost forgot -- since we're discussing controversial documentaries...

...veteran filmmaker George Butler removed the lid from a pristine orange box and treated a visitor to a rare preview of his latest project.

"This is John Kerry with John Lennon at a peace rally in Bryant Park," he said, gesturing toward a glossy 1971 photograph of Mr. Kerry, then a budding anti-war leader, looking smooth-skinned and pensive next to a bespectacled Lennon. There were other pictures, too, from another age, another era: Mr. Kerry leading a troupe of Vietnam veterans to Congress in 1971; Mr. Kerry, hands stuffed in his pockets, after he lost a bid for Congress in 1970; Mr. Kerry with his first wife, Julia Thorne, at their wedding.

"You know, these photos show a side of John Kerry that no one else can show," the 60-year-old Mr. Butler said, referring to these and some 6,000 other pictures he has taken of the candidate since 1969. He chuckled lightly: "If the Republicans knew where they were, they would probably steal them."

And not entirely without reason.

Mr. Butler’s photographs are the building blocks of a controversial 90-minute documentary he is directing about the life and times of Candidate Kerry. Based loosely on Douglas Brinkley’s biography, Tour of Duty, the film chronicles Mr. Kerry’s heroics in Vietnam and his subsequent turn as the earnest, fatigues-wearing leader of Vietnam Veterans Against the War. To help pull the project together for a September release, Mr. Butler—who made Arnold Schwarzenegger a star with his 1977 documentary Pumping Iron—has amassed $1.3 million and a crew of Academy Award–winning editors and big-name producers like Kill Bill’s Lawrence Bender. When the film hits theaters shortly after the Republican National Convention, it could become one of Mr. Kerry’s most potent campaign tools, burnishing his image as a seasoned leader while molding his identity as a loyal family man Americans can trust.

posted by matteo at 2:39 PM on June 3, 2004

His book, Stupid White Men, was rather pompous.

Anyways I emailed him and (hopefully) ill get a response regarding getting permission to download his entire movie online.

Fuck chapter 2 of stupid white men, by the way.
posted by Keyser Soze at 3:12 PM on June 3, 2004

One thing I've noticed is the lack of protest music over this war.

Billy Bragg wrote Price of Oil (mp3) but, as much as I adore Bragg, it is a pretty mediocre song. There was also that Beastie Boys one, but that was pretty piss poor, if you remember. I've downloaded a few more obscure contemporary protest songs, but I just can't get into them. Something about hearing "George Bush" and "Saddam" in a song is just cheesy as hell. Give me the timeless classics any day.

What mainstream artists are writing anything about Iraq?

What "mainstream" artists are writing anything about anything, really?

Seriously, though (and to segue back into on-topic discussion) here's hoping that the upcoming release of this film is a sign that politics is becoming more mainstream to some extent.

As for Moore's film, I am not a huge fan of Moore, but after seeing the trailer I am looking forward to seeing the film. Nevertheless, though, I feel like he dropped the ball in the first 30 seconds or so -- he has so much excellent, juicy ammunition (as the past couple years and latter parts of the trailer show) but my fear is that he'll detract from the real issues with too much focus on,"OMG! Osama Bin Conspiracy" stuff.

And screw Ray Bradbury. As juiceCake pointed out, what a stupid and ironic sentiment.
posted by rafter at 5:19 PM on June 3, 2004

Having Bradbury's English translated to Swedish by a Swedish journalist (writing for effect) and then translated back to english is waaay to Babelfish for me. Förfärlig = terrible, not horrible but that just nuances right? God knows what Bradbury actually said, in English.
posted by dabitch at 6:19 PM on June 3, 2004

So love me love me love me.

I'm a li'brul
posted by troutfishing at 9:49 PM on June 3, 2004


dabitch: "terrible" was in fact used in the original cheezy turbo translation I did for monkeyfilter, which is where the blog-guy nicked it from. he changed some words, but it's still obvious he is a THIEF and DISHONEST this blogger. terrible man!

posted by mr.marx at 12:43 AM on June 4, 2004

Anyone know the name of that 60s tune that plays behind the last 30 seconds or so of the trailer? jonmc, you out there?
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