911's a hoax in yo' town
February 26, 2006 5:22 PM   Subscribe

"The TV networks aired fake video of "planes" striking the World Trade Center!" Apparantly, there were no actual on-the-ground eyewitnesses to planes crashing into the towers, no sounds of impact, and may in fact have been nuclear devices. File under "batshit insane." Although the site goes through a painstaking amount of effort to prove that the attack was hoaxed.
posted by melorama (69 comments total)

This post was deleted for the following reason: stupid crackpot bs

Wait, wait, wait, wait.

Are you looking me in the eye and telling me with a straight face that there are crazy people on the internet?

Sorry, bub, don't believe it.
posted by billysumday at 5:29 PM on February 26, 2006

I had the following comment ready to post:

"Wait wait wait wait wait. Are you trying to suggest, to me, that the Internet has crazy people on it? THE QUEEN MUST BE INFORMED!!"
posted by Protocols of the Elders of Awesome at 5:32 PM on February 26, 2006

Sorry, this site is best viewed with Internet Explorer

I really don't know what to make of that, esp. since I am using Internet Explorer.

It was Gates! It was Gates taht blew up the towers!
posted by yhbc at 5:32 PM on February 26, 2006

But I totally read it on the internets... so it must be true!
posted by spilon at 5:32 PM on February 26, 2006

personally, i think those attacks actually happened.
posted by obeygiant at 5:33 PM on February 26, 2006

Shouldn't this have the "batshitinsane" tag?
posted by dilettante at 5:34 PM on February 26, 2006

why do we do fpp's and send more traffic to sites made by idiots?

I hear FARK calling this url...... here boy, come-on....here boy...
posted by HuronBob at 5:38 PM on February 26, 2006

"Shouldn't this have the "batshitinsane" tag?"

That's what they want you to think.
posted by mr_crash_davis at 5:39 PM on February 26, 2006

batshit indeed. that plane made quite the 'poom!' sound when it hit, even from the distance I was at. most convincing.

somehow, I feel like this is a sign of things trying to get back to normal in the country.
posted by Busithoth at 5:40 PM on February 26, 2006

i wonder where this person lives... probably florida or california or someplace nowhere near NYC or DC. no eyewitnesses... right.
posted by Doorstop at 5:47 PM on February 26, 2006

there's no such country as iraq ... we are actually invading mars and our corporate masters don't want to panic us with the idea that the martians are getting pissed and may put floride in our water to poison our precious bodily fluids
posted by pyramid termite at 5:47 PM on February 26, 2006

Have other planes crashed into other buildings and caused them to collapse? It would be easy to see the differences / similarities between other incidents. I know a U.S. bomber hit the Emmpire State Building in the 1940s, but that thing is a giant cinderblock so that explains why the building stayed up. Were the WTC buildings exceptionally poorly designed? Do other buildings tend to come down in teh same way or do they lean and fall over instead?

Simple questions, I don't know one way or another because I haven't had the inclination to really look but it is fairly straight forward, one would think.
posted by Space Coyote at 5:48 PM on February 26, 2006

this post never sucked.
posted by quonsar at 5:49 PM on February 26, 2006

HAaaahaaaa yes. Silly crazy person! Questioning reality! HA!
posted by Baby_Balrog at 5:50 PM on February 26, 2006

The collapse of the WTC buildings into their "footprint" as happens with controlled imposion demolition is maybe a little suspect. However, statements like this:

Maybe a hologram projection was employed to keep eyewitnesses distracted.

seem to brand all of us who have lingering doubts as..."batshit insane."
posted by kozad at 5:53 PM on February 26, 2006

There is no spoon.
posted by aaronetc at 5:58 PM on February 26, 2006

It was Mr. Stay-Puft!
posted by brain_drain at 6:05 PM on February 26, 2006

Kozad - You get a couple million pounds of steel and concrete and misc shit moving downward, I don't see any reason why the stuff WOULDN'T collapse into it's own footprint. That's where 'down' was, after all. It takes a hell of a force to shift the direction of that much moving mass, and there just wasn't anything there to do it. A steel beam (or a bunch of them) would last about as well as so many matchsticks.
posted by JB71 at 6:07 PM on February 26, 2006

I am beginning to feel sorry for batshit. Why among all other animal shit has it been singled out? And why is it not called by its more proper name, guano? And is not given the respect it deserves?
Call me batshit insane, and I will be proud to say, yeah, I am indeed crazy for the fertilizing goodness that is guano.

That being said, Manhattan is a hologram.
posted by kingfisher, his musclebound cat at 6:07 PM on February 26, 2006

I'm sorry, guys but these folks have a point. I mean the networks did conspire with the government to fake the moon landing, and JFK does indeed still live with aliens.
posted by Gungho at 6:10 PM on February 26, 2006

I wonder if any of these conspiracy theorists have ever met an honest-to-goodness New York City firefighter and expounded these theories to them. If so, I'm curious to know if the firefighters had a similar reaction to that Buzz Aldrin had.
posted by Captaintripps at 6:20 PM on February 26, 2006

You know who else is still alive?

posted by Astro Zombie at 6:21 PM on February 26, 2006


You mean... JFK and Elvis are roomies?

Aw, crap! I thought he faked his death so he could run off with Marylin Monroe!
posted by JB71 at 6:22 PM on February 26, 2006

I was an eyewitness to the second plane hitting the tower; I was staring right at the tower when it happened. So, yeah, one actual on-the-ground witness here. While I can't speak to any hoax theories that don't actually deny the events, I can definitely speak to what I saw.

That being said, these things don't really offend or upset me... anyone who can deny such large bodies of evidence will not be convinced by any rational means. There's not much you can do at that point.
posted by cacophony at 6:23 PM on February 26, 2006

"You know who else is still alive?


Just the brain.
posted by mr_crash_davis at 6:26 PM on February 26, 2006

JFK does indeed still live with aliens.

aliens sired by kurt cobain during his illicit affair with princess dianna. can there be any doubt?
posted by quonsar at 6:28 PM on February 26, 2006

doorstop: Maryland. No one in Florida believes in conspiracies or hoaxes. Unfortunately.
posted by ?! at 6:34 PM on February 26, 2006

Great post title, melorama.
posted by waldo at 6:40 PM on February 26, 2006

What's the point of posting this? There are a hundered other such sites, I'm sure.

posted by washburn at 6:51 PM on February 26, 2006

Batshitinsane should really be one of the flag options. I had to go for "noise."
posted by LarryC at 7:11 PM on February 26, 2006

You mean this image doesn't inspire credibility?

posted by grabbingsand at 7:25 PM on February 26, 2006

Two friends who were eyewitnesses saw planes. One, a toxic waste management expert, was on a building rooftop near the WTC. The plane flew so close overhead that he and his boss automatically ducked.

The second eyewitness, a contractor, was driving his jeep at the base of the WTC, looked up and saw the plane's tail enter the building.

Another friend was on the 55th floor of the south tower. She said the building lurched to the side violently; to her it felt like about 3 feet. Since she was the chosen fire emergency person for her office, she rushed to the bathroom to evacuate any fellow employees who might be there and to her shock found "the center of the building wasn't there", her description was that the building had lost its core.

However, the waste management friend said he was appalled the government/media stated the air quality at Ground Zero and the area nearby was as good as can be expected under the circumstances, when the air quality was in fact so awful that my friend is now suffering life-threatening illness as a result of the air he breathed that day. Even today the EPA posts this: Illness is very unlikely to result from a single, high-level exposure. Sure.

"In a November 2005 meeting of the American College of Chest Physicians, Dr. David Pezant of the Albert Einstein College of Medicine presented the findings of a report on the lung function of 12,079 firefighters, many of whom worked at Ground Zero. The study found rates of pulmonary function decline up to 12 times higher than normal in firefighters exposed to the dust-filled air following the destruction of the buildings."
posted by nickyskye at 7:28 PM on February 26, 2006

While not claiming it was a hoax, these academics believe "...that the government not only permitted 9/11 to occur but may even have orchestrated these events to facilitate its political agenda." But they apparently didn't watch a NOVA special on the event that appears to explain in detail why and how the towers fell after being struck.

I don't get it. Just because it might be politically expedient to fake a terrorist attack to justify a subsequent invasion and corporate ownership of middle-east oil fields because "peak oil" will hit soon and whoever owns the last remaining financiallly viable sources of oil at that point will effectively control the world through political and economic means, some people assume that 9/11 is part of a larger conspiracy. OTOH, maybe conspiracy theories are just "fun" in a twisted sort of way.
posted by Nquire at 7:34 PM on February 26, 2006

The hologram theory has been around a long time in conspiracy circles. Before this, it was part of the Princess Diana thing. Supposedly they were going use this technology to project a huge image of Diana in the sky, a la Oral Roberts and his (MC) 900 Ft Jesus, causing people to be religiously awed enough to worship her in a modern day extension of the "Diana cult". This was all tied in with a lot of other convoluted though interesting events which don't seem to have come to pass, but I guess since they had this big project coming up and all this holographic technology lying around, someone was like "Hey man...so, can that thing fake a 747?"

A lot of conspiracy theory is true. Another whole lot of it is disinfo, including things so silly that the average person ends up discounting the plausible theories along with it. Meanwhile, the hand writes, then quickly moves away, as Ron Jim Dio taught us.
posted by First Post at 7:57 PM on February 26, 2006

Eyewitnesses? He has a ready answer for that prickly problem:

"I've been to New York and there are some people who will confirm they did not see a plane strike the WTC. Most of these eyewitnesses were never interviewed on the air (although some were)."

I assume that includes my friend who lives north of the WTC site and managed to sleep through the whole mess...
posted by magwich at 7:59 PM on February 26, 2006

Someone need to add another blade to Ockam's Razor. Apparently it still isn't shaving close enough for some people.
posted by Cyrano at 8:03 PM on February 26, 2006

Space Coyote, the world trade centers were made to withstand an impact from a 747, just not one with full gas tanks. Basically the plane became a real-life bomb.
posted by Citizen Premier at 8:07 PM on February 26, 2006

And yeah, skyscrapers are always designed to fall directly down-can you imagine how horrible it would have been if it fell like a domino?
posted by Citizen Premier at 8:08 PM on February 26, 2006

"Ha" , "Ha". That must be why I ducked when the second plane passed over my head. (I was standing on the roof of my apt. building - 4 blocks to the south of the Trade Center- after hearing the first crash.) No eyewitnesses, my ass. "Ha, Ha." And BTW, the second plane did gun the engine as it approached the tower.
posted by R. Mutt at 8:09 PM on February 26, 2006

The US does not exist. Only in movies.
posted by jouke at 8:11 PM on February 26, 2006

Oh My God.

"You mean... JFK and Elvis are roomies?"
Yes, and they saved a nursing home from a soul eating egyptian mummy.
posted by 2sheets at 8:15 PM on February 26, 2006

?!, Doorstop: Your batshitinsane Baltimorian appears to be a failed domain squatter, may be a writer at the Baltimore Chronicle & Sentinel (which appears to be a failing indie paper), may also have put together a screening of 'Painful Deceptions' (I'm thinking this is correct at this point).

The domain squatting thing makes me wonder if he is just trying to profiteer off the truly batshitinsane, or if he is one of them? Anyone?
posted by drfu at 8:18 PM on February 26, 2006

R. Mutt, because there were no eyewitnesses, that must mean you're obviously part of a government sponsored disinformation campaign. Clearly. See people! This only proves the lengths that the government will go through to cover up that 9/11 was a hoax!
posted by Nquire at 8:22 PM on February 26, 2006

mild emo tip: the fpp got me a little fired up, as a new yorker, and then all the joking had me laughing, but then that link back to the MeFi thread on 9/11/2001...woah. i'm a more recent MeFi reader (past couple years)...those posts brought it all back. :-/
posted by cgs at 8:23 PM on February 26, 2006

This is silly. People at my office (at the time) actually saw the 2nd airplane, and some of them saw the first one. The office had a perfect view of the WTC.
posted by clevershark at 8:32 PM on February 26, 2006

This must be David Irving's blog.
posted by semmi at 8:42 PM on February 26, 2006

I was on the west coast when this all happened and therefore unable to contribute anything other than this: Talk amongst yourselves. Marilyn loves you. So does JFK. And Di. And the truth shall set you free.
posted by mk1gti at 9:05 PM on February 26, 2006

I suspect John Waters is behind this. The man has a peculiar sense of humor.
posted by Astro Zombie at 9:07 PM on February 26, 2006

I saw the second plane too, from my apartment on Rector St, two blocks south. It's weird finally reading a conspiracy theory I can know for a fact is bogus. Usually they're simply highly unlikely...
posted by bigschmoove at 9:10 PM on February 26, 2006

Beethoven's Ode to Joy is currently playing on the radio, and I'm watching that tiny animated graphic of the plane going into the building and out again... in and out... in and out... in perfect time with the music.
posted by andraste at 9:16 PM on February 26, 2006

As a crackpot thory I give this one a D, it's not very well thought out.
posted by clevershark at 9:25 PM on February 26, 2006

I was an eyewitness to the second plane hitting the tower; I was staring right at the tower when it happened.

Me too, right from the window of my dorm room on Third Ave. and 11th. So, let's say that's two.
posted by ford and the prefects at 9:39 PM on February 26, 2006

I know a U.S. bomber hit the Emmpire State Building in the 1940s, but that thing is a giant cinderblock so that explains why the building stayed up

Also, aircraft are not created equal.

A B-25's max takeoff weight is 33500 pounds (assuming it's a late-model with upgraded engines) and its cruise speed is 230mph, presumably the crash happened at a lower speed since the pilot was trying (badly) to land at Newark.

A 767's max takeoff weight is 395000 pounds, and it cruises at 500+ mph, and from all reports actually hit at something like cruising speed. Neither plane would be flying at max takeoff weight, but, hey, it'll give us a ballpark.

Anyway, plug them both into e=(mv^2)/2, and the 767s hit with about 55 times the kinetic energy of the bomber that hit the Empire State.
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 9:59 PM on February 26, 2006

the world trade centers were made to withstand an impact from a 747

Bet not, since there was no such thing as a 747 when the towers were designed.

Look, the towers were designed to withstand an impact from a large passenger jet plane, when they were designed, in the mid 60's. Since then planes have gotten a lot bigger.

That said, the towers did withstand the plane strikes, and the time they stood allowed people to escape.

And this post is depressing, because now everyone gets to enjoy someone else's insanity. Yee-haw, in a Springer sort of way, but not really progress, if y'know what I mean.
posted by dglynn at 10:06 PM on February 26, 2006

Well dglynn, I was just repeating what the TV told me-- basically the towers probably could have withstood the attack had the plains been running on fumes.
posted by Citizen Premier at 10:25 PM on February 26, 2006

I'd like to repost this link to MeFi on 911. I don't remember who originally posted it in this thread, but thanks. Other than that link, this post was a waste of time.

The man who made the 911 hoax website is either joking (based on the "Fan Mail") or suffering from a delusional disorder and needs medication not logical argument.
posted by srs at 11:01 PM on February 26, 2006

This is my favorite line from the 9/11 thread:

"i'd have to guess this was a terrorist attack. too bad the missile defense shield wasn't ready to catch those rogue pilots in action."

First point of snark.
posted by filchyboy at 11:37 PM on February 26, 2006

And pretty much the last. That thread is extremely sobering.
posted by Astro Zombie at 12:04 AM on February 27, 2006

We have always been at war with Eurasia.
posted by kyleg at 12:23 AM on February 27, 2006

I have informed the Queen.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 12:54 AM on February 27, 2006

If THEY could fake the Moon landing, we'd have already "landed" on Mars.

If THEY could control the world media, Cheney's "hunting companion would never have eaten buckshot.

If THEY could fake airplanes smashing into buildings in front of thousands of witnesses and recording devices, no one would've "died" in Iraq.
posted by CheeseburgerBrown at 5:56 AM on February 27, 2006

This is a fucking insult to every New Yorker.
posted by mkultra at 6:14 AM on February 27, 2006

If THEY could consolidate the media it would be much easier to control. (...oh, wait...)

If THEY could silence all the alternate methods of communication there would be no need for agitprop.

If THEY could make people suspicious of each other’s motives and make neighbors seem like strangers we’d all feel somewhat alienated by our own culture.

If THEY could set us against ourselves ala “divide and conquer” WE would have all sorts of meaningless debates on “race” issues, “religeon” “morals” and other nebulous things instead of being united on what is otherwise nearly universal common ground.

If THEY were trying to do any of these things WE would feel uneasy about the events that shape our lives and THEY would make sure WE felt powerless to change it.

Success in war is based on deception. Sometimes you can do this so well you can even convince the enemy there isn’t a war going on.

Cui Bono - has as it’s corollary - cui malo?
posted by Smedleyman at 6:19 AM on February 27, 2006

/For the slow learners with the husky pencils - I’m addressing the metaissue of obfuscation of the details concerning 9/11, not the substance of this faking of 9/11 which isn’t worth much attention.
posted by Smedleyman at 6:22 AM on February 27, 2006

posted by OmieWise at 6:28 AM on February 27, 2006

I envy Omie's concision.
posted by LarryC at 6:38 AM on February 27, 2006

WTC #7
posted by matty at 6:58 AM on February 27, 2006

FirstPost said: A lot of conspiracy theory is true.

posted by storybored at 7:13 AM on February 27, 2006

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