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April 20, 2006 5:23 PM Subscribe
Is this the troll to end all trolls? It purports to be a list of "reichwingers" (sic) with their home addresses, but closer investigation shows that all the addresses given belong to car parts stores. So who was the intended target of this hoax? Left, right, or maybe everyone?
Looks like a right-wing troll purporting to be a left-wing troll, in an attempt to gain sympathy for the right. The footnote at the end gives it away.
posted by MarkO at 5:29 PM on April 20, 2006
posted by MarkO at 5:29 PM on April 20, 2006
This is awesome. Rusty Shackleford! Whatever, Dale.
posted by klangklangston at 5:31 PM on April 20, 2006
posted by klangklangston at 5:31 PM on April 20, 2006
MarkO, if so, then it badly missed the mark. Looks like nearly all the comments which take it seriously are from the right.
posted by Steven C. Den Beste at 5:36 PM on April 20, 2006
posted by Steven C. Den Beste at 5:36 PM on April 20, 2006
I wouldn't say it's the troll to end all trolls. But I will say that it's mildly curious that the only web sites at the bottom are left-leaning sites, meaning they would get the brunt of the criticism for posting this; at least to the casual reader.
Malkin is obviously the new queen of cyberstalking since she posted the names and addresses of a bunch of folks she doesn't agree with.
This bespeaks the need for a privacy amendment. OK, it would include a very clear-statement against government intrusion (which one would think the other amendments would carry but I guess not), whether it's your medical records (I detest Rush Limbaugh, but I agree with the ACLU that medical records should be kept private), your financial records, educational records, etc . . .
I also feel the press needs to be brought into line as far as posting the addresses of private individuals for the purpose of encouraging readers to harass those people. This has happened on all sides of the political spectrum and it needs to stop NOW.
OK, maybe not a Constitutional Amendment, but the States need to look at this and come to an agreement that mis-use of the media and the misuse of private information must stop.
Still, I still laugh when I think about when they published John Pointdexter's residential info on the Internet when they started their whole Total Information Awareness program.
posted by jackspace at 5:37 PM on April 20, 2006
Malkin is obviously the new queen of cyberstalking since she posted the names and addresses of a bunch of folks she doesn't agree with.
This bespeaks the need for a privacy amendment. OK, it would include a very clear-statement against government intrusion (which one would think the other amendments would carry but I guess not), whether it's your medical records (I detest Rush Limbaugh, but I agree with the ACLU that medical records should be kept private), your financial records, educational records, etc . . .
I also feel the press needs to be brought into line as far as posting the addresses of private individuals for the purpose of encouraging readers to harass those people. This has happened on all sides of the political spectrum and it needs to stop NOW.
OK, maybe not a Constitutional Amendment, but the States need to look at this and come to an agreement that mis-use of the media and the misuse of private information must stop.
Still, I still laugh when I think about when they published John Pointdexter's residential info on the Internet when they started their whole Total Information Awareness program.
posted by jackspace at 5:37 PM on April 20, 2006
Fromt the comments: It's clear liberals are never going to play a responsible role in politics. We need to figure out another way to keep our democracy from suffering.
This is yet another example of Republican "cleverness." Michelle Malkin posted the personal info of some anti-Bush college students, and after they received death threats, she refused to take down the info. This is meta-commentary on how hypocritical libruls and the MSM are. Yawn.
Lame post. Poor Michelle Magalong.
posted by bardic at 5:40 PM on April 20, 2006
This is yet another example of Republican "cleverness." Michelle Malkin posted the personal info of some anti-Bush college students, and after they received death threats, she refused to take down the info. This is meta-commentary on how hypocritical libruls and the MSM are. Yawn.
Lame post. Poor Michelle Magalong.
posted by bardic at 5:40 PM on April 20, 2006
Looks like a right-wing troll purporting to be a left-wing troll, in an attempt to gain sympathy for the right. The footnote at the end gives it away.
Did you miss the 'headnote' at the beginning of the page:
Michele Malkin is the filthy right-wing fascist who posted the addresses, photos and pictures of anti-war activists that she happened to disagree with. This is fascism, clear and simple.
Background here: http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/04/18.html#a7956
The point is to call attention to Malkin's actions and get it spread around virally.
posted by delmoi at 5:44 PM on April 20, 2006
Did you miss the 'headnote' at the beginning of the page:
Michele Malkin is the filthy right-wing fascist who posted the addresses, photos and pictures of anti-war activists that she happened to disagree with. This is fascism, clear and simple.
Background here: http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/04/18.html#a7956
The point is to call attention to Malkin's actions and get it spread around virally.
posted by delmoi at 5:44 PM on April 20, 2006
Wait a minute. Did Malkin post a bunch of students' telephone numbers — or did she post the students' own "FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE" press release, in which they included their telephone numbers?
I mean, I know Malkin's the new O'Reilly and it's cool to rag on her, but...y'know...big difference.
posted by cribcage at 5:46 PM on April 20, 2006
I mean, I know Malkin's the new O'Reilly and it's cool to rag on her, but...y'know...big difference.
posted by cribcage at 5:46 PM on April 20, 2006
At least they're auto parts stores and not, y'know, strip clubs or anything. That would be well out of order.
posted by adamgreenfield at 5:48 PM on April 20, 2006
posted by adamgreenfield at 5:48 PM on April 20, 2006
Well, this thread gives me an excuse to post this image, so it can't be all that bad:
posted by delmoi at 5:50 PM on April 20, 2006
posted by delmoi at 5:50 PM on April 20, 2006
This isn't actually the first time she has done this, she posted Chris Mathews phone # after he roughed her up on Hardball.
posted by DougieZero1982 at 5:53 PM on April 20, 2006
posted by DougieZero1982 at 5:53 PM on April 20, 2006
Steven: Precisely.
The point is to call attention to Malkin's actions and get it spread around virally.
Good theory, although I like mine better.
Here's a third: the troll posted it to make Malkin's actions look tame by comparison? Perhaps the troll was Malkin herself?
posted by MarkO at 5:54 PM on April 20, 2006
The point is to call attention to Malkin's actions and get it spread around virally.
Good theory, although I like mine better.
Here's a third: the troll posted it to make Malkin's actions look tame by comparison? Perhaps the troll was Malkin herself?
posted by MarkO at 5:54 PM on April 20, 2006
Here is Malkin's original article. She pulled the address out of the press release and posted them out of context.
posted by delmoi at 5:59 PM on April 20, 2006
posted by delmoi at 5:59 PM on April 20, 2006
This seems to be her original post.
She posted a follow-up with a screenshot of the press release.
posted by cribcage at 6:00 PM on April 20, 2006
She posted a follow-up with a screenshot of the press release.
posted by cribcage at 6:00 PM on April 20, 2006
cribcage, that's a rock-solid moral foundation you've got there son. It's positively Rovean.
posted by bardic at 6:02 PM on April 20, 2006
posted by bardic at 6:02 PM on April 20, 2006
Here is an entry on malkin's blog about the story.
posted by delmoi at 8:57 PM EST on April 20 [!]
So now we all go rushing to her site to read this article and Malkin checks her log files and notices that this is the story that has garnered her the most publicity - which is exactly what she needs to keep her from disappearing. So that gives her even more incentive to do it again when she senses the American public is rightfully ignoring her untalented ass. I think Bart and Lisa Simpson had the best advice concerning the Malkins, O'Reillys, Coulters, and Hannitys of the world: "Just don't look". It's the the right wingers that make these people national icons. It's the inevitable liberal outrage that keeps them in the news. These are people who are set up in business by right wing billionaires like Richard Mellon Scaife in order to distract liberals and independents from debating real issues.
posted by any major dude at 4:07 PM on April 20, 2006
How was it "out of context"? She hyperlinked the "context."
bardic: Did you have anything substantive to add to the conversation, or did you just want to say, "Anyone who agrees with Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, or Michelle Malkin under any circumstances — including whether the sky is blue — is wrong and should be put to death." I realize that's a popular mantra on MetaFilter, but was there anything more you wanted to contribute?
posted by cribcage at 4:09 PM on April 20, 2006
bardic: Did you have anything substantive to add to the conversation, or did you just want to say, "Anyone who agrees with Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, or Michelle Malkin under any circumstances — including whether the sky is blue — is wrong and should be put to death." I realize that's a popular mantra on MetaFilter, but was there anything more you wanted to contribute?
posted by cribcage at 4:09 PM on April 20, 2006
I agree the students screwed up with the numbers and then tried to fix it... but Malkin is playing the gotcha game, she should just remove the numbers.
This was meant for these 3 college kids to hopefully get that lucky phone call from Bill O'Reilly's intern so they can get yelled at on the air... not for a bunch of rednecks on freerepublic to drunk dial all afternoon.
posted by DougieZero1982 at 4:13 PM on April 20, 2006
This was meant for these 3 college kids to hopefully get that lucky phone call from Bill O'Reilly's intern so they can get yelled at on the air... not for a bunch of rednecks on freerepublic to drunk dial all afternoon.
posted by DougieZero1982 at 4:13 PM on April 20, 2006
Thanks, SDB, for bringing this worthless non-issue to our attention.
posted by fleacircus at 4:16 PM on April 20, 2006
posted by fleacircus at 4:16 PM on April 20, 2006
Some of the addresses turned out to be abandoned buildings. The rest are all car parts stores.
posted by Steven C. Den Beste at 4:21 PM on April 20, 2006
posted by Steven C. Den Beste at 4:21 PM on April 20, 2006
So who was the intended target of this hoax?
I'd rather think that you're simply being disingenuous, but I'm afraid that you may actually not get it. either way, it's delicious -- the perfect "troll or just plain dumb" Internet dilemma.
the fact that the footnote, as noted above, gives them away quite crudely probably is too complicated for some to understand, makes their heads huwt or something.
nearly all the comments which take it seriously are from the right.
quod erat demonstrandum. USDA Prime Clueless.
posted by matteo at 4:21 PM on April 20, 2006
I'd rather think that you're simply being disingenuous, but I'm afraid that you may actually not get it. either way, it's delicious -- the perfect "troll or just plain dumb" Internet dilemma.
the fact that the footnote, as noted above, gives them away quite crudely probably is too complicated for some to understand, makes their heads huwt or something.
nearly all the comments which take it seriously are from the right.
quod erat demonstrandum. USDA Prime Clueless.
posted by matteo at 4:21 PM on April 20, 2006
Some of the addresses are abandoned buildings. The rest are car parts stores.
posted by Steven C. Den Beste at 4:22 PM on April 20, 2006
posted by Steven C. Den Beste at 4:22 PM on April 20, 2006
So who was the intended target of this hoax?
I'd rather think that you're simply being disingenuous, but I'm afraid that you may actually not get it. either way, it's delicious -- the perfect "troll or just plain dumb" Internet dilemma.
the fact that the footnote, as noted above, gives them away quite crudely probably is too complicated for some to understand, makes their heads huwt or something.
nearly all the comments which take it seriously are from the right.
quod erat demonstrandum. USDA Prime Clueless.
posted by matteo at 4:22 PM on April 20, 2006
I'd rather think that you're simply being disingenuous, but I'm afraid that you may actually not get it. either way, it's delicious -- the perfect "troll or just plain dumb" Internet dilemma.
the fact that the footnote, as noted above, gives them away quite crudely probably is too complicated for some to understand, makes their heads huwt or something.
nearly all the comments which take it seriously are from the right.
quod erat demonstrandum. USDA Prime Clueless.
posted by matteo at 4:22 PM on April 20, 2006
So who was the intended target of this hoax?
I'd rather think that you're simply being disingenuous, but I'm afraid that you may actually not get it. either way, it's delicious -- the perfect "troll or just plain dumb" Internet dilemma.
the fact that the footnote, as noted above, gives them away quite crudely probably is too complicated for some to understand, makes their heads huwt or something.
nearly all the comments which take it seriously are from the right.
quod erat demonstrandum. USDA Prime Clueless.
posted by matteo at 4:24 PM on April 20, 2006
I'd rather think that you're simply being disingenuous, but I'm afraid that you may actually not get it. either way, it's delicious -- the perfect "troll or just plain dumb" Internet dilemma.
the fact that the footnote, as noted above, gives them away quite crudely probably is too complicated for some to understand, makes their heads huwt or something.
nearly all the comments which take it seriously are from the right.
quod erat demonstrandum. USDA Prime Clueless.
posted by matteo at 4:24 PM on April 20, 2006
This is one of the dumbest posts I've ever seen.
posted by fleacircus at 4:24 PM on April 20, 2006
posted by fleacircus at 4:24 PM on April 20, 2006
USDA Prime Clueless. [repeated]
Check your irony meter, Einstein.
posted by cribcage at 4:25 PM on April 20, 2006
Check your irony meter, Einstein.
posted by cribcage at 4:25 PM on April 20, 2006
There was a bug in the system, asshat. And this:
Go lay down for a rest. You seem to need it.
posted by five fresh fish at 5:04 PM on April 20, 2006
did you just want to say, "Anyone who agrees with Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, or Michelle Malkin under any circumstances — including whether the sky is blue — is wrong and should be put to death." I realize that's a popular mantra on MetaFilter, but was there anything more you wanted to contribute?Is just a plain stupid thing to have said. WTF is up your ass today so bad that you're making absurd commentary like this?
Go lay down for a rest. You seem to need it.
posted by five fresh fish at 5:04 PM on April 20, 2006
So who was the intended target of this hoax?
Manny, Moe and Jack, obviously.
posted by trondant at 5:10 PM on April 20, 2006
Manny, Moe and Jack, obviously.
posted by trondant at 5:10 PM on April 20, 2006
How was it "out of context"? She hyperlinked the "context."
Hyperlinking dosn't count. The point was, she took their names and addresses and posted them on her blog as names and addresses for people to see. She wasn't just repeating their press release.
It's the kind of vigilante crap only someone who loved Japanese Internment and McCarthy could like. I doubt you could find Malkin's personal phone number, does that mean she's 'skirting responsibility'?
posted by delmoi at 5:11 PM on April 20, 2006
Hyperlinking dosn't count. The point was, she took their names and addresses and posted them on her blog as names and addresses for people to see. She wasn't just repeating their press release.
It's the kind of vigilante crap only someone who loved Japanese Internment and McCarthy could like. I doubt you could find Malkin's personal phone number, does that mean she's 'skirting responsibility'?
posted by delmoi at 5:11 PM on April 20, 2006
This is one of the dumbest posts I've ever seen.
Seriously. One link to some half-assed spoof of an anonymous Indymedia post containing what amounts to zero information. *yawn*
posted by loquacious at 5:13 PM on April 20, 2006
Seriously. One link to some half-assed spoof of an anonymous Indymedia post containing what amounts to zero information. *yawn*
posted by loquacious at 5:13 PM on April 20, 2006
Most people figured out the bug without duplicating their posts eleventy times. But I definitely accede to the logic of your superior argument, "That's stupid, dude."
Really, the whole thread is classic MetaFilter Knee-Jerk at its best.
Hyperlinking dosn't count.
Huh? It "doesn't count"? What is this, schoolyard rules? She posted some information and said, "Here's where I got it." Click the link, and there you go. How can that possibly be "out of context"?
posted by cribcage at 5:15 PM on April 20, 2006
Really, the whole thread is classic MetaFilter Knee-Jerk at its best.
- "Michelle Malkin did something bad."
- Well, not so much. Here's why.
- "Uhh...Michelle Malkin sucks!"
- Maybe. But you didn't address the point.
- "Uhh..."YOU SUCK!!!"
Hyperlinking dosn't count.
Huh? It "doesn't count"? What is this, schoolyard rules? She posted some information and said, "Here's where I got it." Click the link, and there you go. How can that possibly be "out of context"?
posted by cribcage at 5:15 PM on April 20, 2006
cribcage, Five Fresh Fish beat me to it. Where did I call for anyone to die? I'd remind you that death-threats to "sand-ni**ers" and America haters is what makes up a fair amount of the content on sites like Malkin's and LGF (mostly in the comments section, but still). My critique of your moral compass is simple--the college kids did something stupid in releasing a press release with their personal contact info. Malkin did something morally reprehensible in not taking the info down after she was asked to, since those kids were receiving multiple death threats.
But once again, IOKIYAR.
posted by bardic at 5:18 PM on April 20, 2006
But once again, IOKIYAR.
posted by bardic at 5:18 PM on April 20, 2006
(And your re-cap of the thread is also wrong. The post is obviously connected to l'affaire Malkin, but Steven C. didn't make it clear. Nor did he mention that the site is an obvious Republican/right-wing ploy. The issues raised are interesting though, IMO.)
posted by bardic at 5:22 PM on April 20, 2006
posted by bardic at 5:22 PM on April 20, 2006
From Malkin's site, via one of delmoi's links: I am leaving it up. If you are contacting them, I do not condone death threats or foul language. As for SAW, my message is this: You are responsible for your individual actions. Other individuals are responsible for theirs. Grow up and take responsibility.
Since this thread hasn't Godwinned yet, let me paraphrase Ms. Magalong: "I do not condone violence against the greedy Jewish capitalist swine. You are responsible for not lighting the torches and sharpening the cleavers I have left next to their homes and businesses. If you do happen to slaughter the Levi's and Goldberg's, please don't use foul language."
posted by bardic at 5:28 PM on April 20, 2006
Since this thread hasn't Godwinned yet, let me paraphrase Ms. Magalong: "I do not condone violence against the greedy Jewish capitalist swine. You are responsible for not lighting the torches and sharpening the cleavers I have left next to their homes and businesses. If you do happen to slaughter the Levi's and Goldberg's, please don't use foul language."
posted by bardic at 5:28 PM on April 20, 2006
Oh. Does this prove, once and for all that I'm not even close to being a troll?
posted by ParisParamus at 5:29 PM on April 20, 2006
posted by ParisParamus at 5:29 PM on April 20, 2006
Rude Pundit: ...So, yeah, the UC-Santa Cruz students who put out a press release for their Students Against War protest against military recruiters on their campus have learned their lesson. And that lesson is that vile, savage cunt-beasts who disagree with your politics will gleefully destroy your personal life to demonstrate the petty power they hold over the pathetic trolls who read said cunt-beasts' columns and who masturbate furiously when one cunt-beast or another appears on Fox "News" (motto: "Cunt-Beasts have a home at Fox").
And while the Rude Pundit does not encourage the publicizing of the personal info of political writers, well, fuck, what's good fer the goose is good fer the gander, ya know? If big bad bloggress Michelle Malkin, who really needs to be caged like a rabid shih-tzu, wants to play with people's lives away from the protests and the SAW meetings, then she shouldn't expect to be treated any better. Do unto others and all that shit is what the Christians say. ...
posted by amberglow at 5:32 PM on April 20, 2006
And while the Rude Pundit does not encourage the publicizing of the personal info of political writers, well, fuck, what's good fer the goose is good fer the gander, ya know? If big bad bloggress Michelle Malkin, who really needs to be caged like a rabid shih-tzu, wants to play with people's lives away from the protests and the SAW meetings, then she shouldn't expect to be treated any better. Do unto others and all that shit is what the Christians say. ...
posted by amberglow at 5:32 PM on April 20, 2006
My critique of your moral compass is simple...
Your critique of anyone's moral compass based on a comment posted to a website speaks volumes about yourself, pal. Perspective: It's a good thing.
Where did I call for anyone to die?
Where did anyone claim you did?
As for Malkin's site: I'm no fan. But I'm no fan of Michael Moore, either; and yet somehow, I'm capable of recognizing that the man isn't Satan and that not everything he says is bunk simply for virtue of his having said it. Ditto Dr. Laura and Sean Hannity and Al Franken.
I corrected a mischaracterization of Malkin's actions, and from that you deduced that I'm a Republican with no moral compass. Once again, jumping to conclusions about other people online is kind of like volunteering yourself for a Rohrschach Test.
posted by cribcage at 5:32 PM on April 20, 2006
Your critique of anyone's moral compass based on a comment posted to a website speaks volumes about yourself, pal. Perspective: It's a good thing.
Where did I call for anyone to die?
Where did anyone claim you did?
As for Malkin's site: I'm no fan. But I'm no fan of Michael Moore, either; and yet somehow, I'm capable of recognizing that the man isn't Satan and that not everything he says is bunk simply for virtue of his having said it. Ditto Dr. Laura and Sean Hannity and Al Franken.
I corrected a mischaracterization of Malkin's actions, and from that you deduced that I'm a Republican with no moral compass. Once again, jumping to conclusions about other people online is kind of like volunteering yourself for a Rohrschach Test.
posted by cribcage at 5:32 PM on April 20, 2006
bardic: Did you have anything substantive to add to the conversation, or did you just want to say, "Anyone who agrees with Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, or Michelle Malkin under any circumstances — including whether the sky is blue — is wrong and should be put to death." I realize that's a popular mantra on MetaFilter, but was there anything more you wanted to contribute?
posted by cribcage at 7:09 PM EST on April 20 [!]
OK. I rescind my earlier comments about your lack of a moral compass. I should have directed them at the "persona known as cribcage whom I should never take seriously because this persona doesn't reflect the actual beliefs of Human X who actually types his phrases."
And thanks for bringing up Michael Moore. While I'm not his biggest fan, bleatings like yours remind the rest of us that being controversial is qualitatively different from calling for mass imprisonment and/or genocide, two things he's never done.
posted by bardic at 5:43 PM on April 20, 2006
posted by cribcage at 7:09 PM EST on April 20 [!]
OK. I rescind my earlier comments about your lack of a moral compass. I should have directed them at the "persona known as cribcage whom I should never take seriously because this persona doesn't reflect the actual beliefs of Human X who actually types his phrases."
And thanks for bringing up Michael Moore. While I'm not his biggest fan, bleatings like yours remind the rest of us that being controversial is qualitatively different from calling for mass imprisonment and/or genocide, two things he's never done.
posted by bardic at 5:43 PM on April 20, 2006
These kids don't have a media department, so they just listed their own phone numbers on their press release in good faith. Malkin, disagreeing with their point of view, decided to go ugly and negative and post their number for the whole world, which was never the intention of the press release. OK, so at this point, maybe Malkin acted rashly, but so what? But then they started receiving death threats, removed the contact information, and asked Malkin to remove her copy of it. She refused. At that point, it is clear that she is acting out of spite. What a severe lack of personal ethics, let alone journalistic ethics. She also said that the students "wiped the cache" to remove their phone number. How the fuck did they do that? She is either lying or doesn't understand the internet.
It is ultimately not a Right or Left thing. Anyone who would pull such a stunt loses credibility and deserves condemnation.
Even many rightwing bloggers find her actions atrocious. See here, here, and here.
posted by Falconetti at 6:08 PM on April 20, 2006
It is ultimately not a Right or Left thing. Anyone who would pull such a stunt loses credibility and deserves condemnation.
Even many rightwing bloggers find her actions atrocious. See here, here, and here.
posted by Falconetti at 6:08 PM on April 20, 2006
> Does this prove, once and for all that I'm not even close to being a troll?
As the mathematicians teach us, PP, proof is in the eye of the beholder. You know what kind of beholders we have encounter therapy with around here.
OTOH, I hadn't encountered the term "reichwinger" before but I'm totally one of those from now on.
posted by jfuller at 6:12 PM on April 20, 2006
As the mathematicians teach us, PP, proof is in the eye of the beholder. You know what kind of beholders we have encounter therapy with around here.
OTOH, I hadn't encountered the term "reichwinger" before but I'm totally one of those from now on.
posted by jfuller at 6:12 PM on April 20, 2006
Funny how Malkin, while upbraiding plagiarist Ben Domenech, pointed a finger at liberal bloggers to leave him and his family alone.
posted by bardic at 6:18 PM on April 20, 2006
posted by bardic at 6:18 PM on April 20, 2006
Posts like these are great. I love it when the meta-intellectuals let their true colours show.
That's not to defend Malkin; she should've made her point and called off the dogs. But sometimes youse hardcore lefties don't make it easy.
Cribcage, I'd like to buy you a beer sometime.
posted by raider at 7:13 PM on April 20, 2006
That's not to defend Malkin; she should've made her point and called off the dogs. But sometimes youse hardcore lefties don't make it easy.
Cribcage, I'd like to buy you a beer sometime.
posted by raider at 7:13 PM on April 20, 2006
All I know is that I will never be able to take Malkin seriously because I used to have a cat called Malkin and it was the most adorable, gorgeous, non-conservative cat you ever did see.
And you know that "Malkin" means voodoo doll, right?
posted by Decani at 7:43 PM on April 20, 2006
And you know that "Malkin" means voodoo doll, right?
posted by Decani at 7:43 PM on April 20, 2006
Also, people's contact information is usualy 'available' that doesn't mean they want to be victimized by huge hoards of people, or that it's right to amplify that information.
What I mean is, posting it on a right-wing blog is very different then having it in a press release for a few people to read. I don't see Malkin's personal phone number anywhere on her site, when I see it I'll believe she believes in being 'personally accountable'.
Anyone ever see the clip where Bill O'Riley was trying to flirt with Malkin saying she should do something crude, like go to a nude beach. She was totally squicked out. Classic.
posted by delmoi at 8:25 PM on April 20, 2006
What I mean is, posting it on a right-wing blog is very different then having it in a press release for a few people to read. I don't see Malkin's personal phone number anywhere on her site, when I see it I'll believe she believes in being 'personally accountable'.
Anyone ever see the clip where Bill O'Riley was trying to flirt with Malkin saying she should do something crude, like go to a nude beach. She was totally squicked out. Classic.
posted by delmoi at 8:25 PM on April 20, 2006
Graventy: What makes a cat non-conservative?
It loooooooooooooooves abortions.
posted by jtron at 9:17 PM on April 20, 2006
It loooooooooooooooves abortions.
posted by jtron at 9:17 PM on April 20, 2006
Cribcage, ... do you honestly not see the problem with *re*posting the home phone numbers of a couple of college kids after she already got them threatened with death and violence?
post your phone number. I dare you. be "personally accountable" for your opinions here.
posted by Tryptophan-5ht at 9:20 PM on April 20, 2006
post your phone number. I dare you. be "personally accountable" for your opinions here.
posted by Tryptophan-5ht at 9:20 PM on April 20, 2006
Indymedia is full of shit so often that I wouldn't be surprised if this was a (stupid) hoax.
And I wonder if the rabid zealots went after the other sites that had the same press release that Malkin did. She seems to be the only one that eventually stripped the names/phone numbers out of it.
Here is a post she made. I checked all three of those links last night, and all three of them had the same phone numbers. One of them was an indymedia.org link! Two of them have since edited out the numbers.
Both sides are acting like a bunch of whining children. The internet has devolved into a big pissing match. :-P
posted by drstein at 9:24 PM on April 20, 2006
And I wonder if the rabid zealots went after the other sites that had the same press release that Malkin did. She seems to be the only one that eventually stripped the names/phone numbers out of it.
Here is a post she made. I checked all three of those links last night, and all three of them had the same phone numbers. One of them was an indymedia.org link! Two of them have since edited out the numbers.
Both sides are acting like a bunch of whining children. The internet has devolved into a big pissing match. :-P
posted by drstein at 9:24 PM on April 20, 2006
five fresh fish: beste has been on a rampage for days now. I know he had at least one right-wing-troll derail deleted by jessamyn, and pretty much everything else I've read from him has been garbage.
I'm pretty sure he's gone off his meds, or his wife left him or something. Whatever it is, he's going out of his way to be far stupider than usual.
This thread should be deleted. It's more feces, from an angry monkey.
posted by I Love Tacos at 9:32 PM on April 20, 2006
I'm pretty sure he's gone off his meds, or his wife left him or something. Whatever it is, he's going out of his way to be far stupider than usual.
This thread should be deleted. It's more feces, from an angry monkey.
posted by I Love Tacos at 9:32 PM on April 20, 2006
five fresh fish: beste has been on a rampage for days now. I know he had at least one right-wing-troll derail deleted by jessamyn, and pretty much everything else I've read from him has been garbage.
I'm pretty sure he's gone off his meds, or his wife left him or something. Whatever it is, he's going out of his way to be far stupider than usual.
This thread should be deleted. It's more feces, from an angry monkey.
posted by I Love Tacos at 9:32 PM on April 20, 2006
I'm pretty sure he's gone off his meds, or his wife left him or something. Whatever it is, he's going out of his way to be far stupider than usual.
This thread should be deleted. It's more feces, from an angry monkey.
posted by I Love Tacos at 9:32 PM on April 20, 2006
post your phone number. I dare you. be "personally accountable" for your opinions here.
posted by Tryptophan-5ht
That's a stupid thing to ask. For all our bluster, snark and dickishness, metafilter users are infinitely more sane than the fringes of michelle malkin's readership.
posted by I Love Tacos at 9:34 PM on April 20, 2006
posted by Tryptophan-5ht
That's a stupid thing to ask. For all our bluster, snark and dickishness, metafilter users are infinitely more sane than the fringes of michelle malkin's readership.
posted by I Love Tacos at 9:34 PM on April 20, 2006
though to be fair, I doubt cribcage would have the balls to do it, even to a comparatively friendly audiance. I guarantee he wouldn't do it if we told him that he would *definitely* get death threats on it, and they'd be from scary, fucked up individuals who might mean it.
posted by I Love Tacos at 9:37 PM on April 20, 2006
posted by I Love Tacos at 9:37 PM on April 20, 2006
I Love Tacos, I don't think the den Beste unit is married. I don't think the Anglo female persons find him any more appealing than we do.
posted by adamgreenfield at 9:50 PM on April 20, 2006
posted by adamgreenfield at 9:50 PM on April 20, 2006
(I'm sorry, that was out of line. I'm stepping away from the keyboard now.)
posted by adamgreenfield at 9:52 PM on April 20, 2006
posted by adamgreenfield at 9:52 PM on April 20, 2006
I am of the opinion that this is the troll to end all trolls. Presumably at the Götterdämmerung.
posted by Astro Zombie at 10:29 PM on April 20, 2006
posted by Astro Zombie at 10:29 PM on April 20, 2006
Adam Greenfield was referring to this, which was notoriously self-linked here. Some will find both of interest and some will be at a loss for words.
posted by y2karl at 10:32 PM on April 20, 2006
posted by y2karl at 10:32 PM on April 20, 2006
Malkin has not removed the phone numbers from the orgional post. So there.
posted by delmoi at 11:39 PM on April 20, 2006
posted by delmoi at 11:39 PM on April 20, 2006
I'm pretty sure he's gone off his meds, or his wife left him or something. Whatever it is, he's going out of his way to be far stupider than usual.
posted by I Love Tacos
Classy as always...
posted by justgary at 12:37 AM on April 21, 2006
posted by I Love Tacos
Classy as always...
posted by justgary at 12:37 AM on April 21, 2006
2006 will be known as the year that the trolls got bored with the internet and decided to go into politics instead
god help us all
posted by pyramid termite at 12:43 AM on April 21, 2006
god help us all
posted by pyramid termite at 12:43 AM on April 21, 2006
jfuller: "OTOH, I hadn't encountered the term "reichwinger" before but I'm totally one of those from now on."
Please don't. I do not quite understand the fascination of Amercans with foreign words, but "Reich" in German is a completely common, unloaded term to describe a lot of things (an empire, a dominion, an area of influence, a German might even refer jokingly to "mein Reich" to express a sentiment similar to "my home is my castle"). Also, in the Lord's Prayer the phrase "thy kingdom come" is "dein Reich komme" in the German version, and most of us don't picture God as some kind of stormtrooper.
Referring to the Nazi regime by choosing this word is like referring to citizens of the US as "Puccis" - you know, because Amerigo Vespucci named the continent, and any part of his name would obviously do to describe the inhabitants.
And it's pronounced reich, if you must say it. Not "rike". Try exhaling and slowly raising your tongue as if to say "hkh" but stopping as soon as the air stream is obstructed and becomes noisy, but is not yet cut off. That's the sound you're going for.
posted by PontifexPrimus at 2:16 AM on April 21, 2006
Please don't. I do not quite understand the fascination of Amercans with foreign words, but "Reich" in German is a completely common, unloaded term to describe a lot of things (an empire, a dominion, an area of influence, a German might even refer jokingly to "mein Reich" to express a sentiment similar to "my home is my castle"). Also, in the Lord's Prayer the phrase "thy kingdom come" is "dein Reich komme" in the German version, and most of us don't picture God as some kind of stormtrooper.
Referring to the Nazi regime by choosing this word is like referring to citizens of the US as "Puccis" - you know, because Amerigo Vespucci named the continent, and any part of his name would obviously do to describe the inhabitants.
And it's pronounced reich, if you must say it. Not "rike". Try exhaling and slowly raising your tongue as if to say "hkh" but stopping as soon as the air stream is obstructed and becomes noisy, but is not yet cut off. That's the sound you're going for.
posted by PontifexPrimus at 2:16 AM on April 21, 2006
i wish you "silent majority" types would live up to your billing and stop annoying those of us who recognize thuggery when we see it.
regardless of your political orientation, publishing those numbers on her blog was the hateful act of a hateful person. there's no spin you can put on it that makes it acceptable. and you take leave of some small part of your humanity to try.
posted by Hat Maui at 2:21 AM on April 21, 2006
regardless of your political orientation, publishing those numbers on her blog was the hateful act of a hateful person. there's no spin you can put on it that makes it acceptable. and you take leave of some small part of your humanity to try.
posted by Hat Maui at 2:21 AM on April 21, 2006
and most of us don't picture God as some kind of stormtrooper
well, ...
posted by matteo at 2:55 AM on April 21, 2006
well, ...
posted by matteo at 2:55 AM on April 21, 2006
> I do not quite understand the fascination of Amercans with foreign words, but "Reich" in German
> is a completely common, unloaded term to describe a lot of things (an empire, a dominion, an
> area of influence,
Hee hee. Sind sie immer so umständlich? "Reich" may not be a loaded term for Germans but it is and will remain a heavily loaded term for those with the experience of looking down the gun barrels of the Tausendjähriges Reich. As for the suggested fascination with Lehnworts, English is a Germanic language and, whatever may have been its etymology in the dim past of last week, "reichwinger" is now an English word.
> Try exhaling and slowly raising your tongue as if to say "hkh" but stopping as soon
> as the air stream is obstructed and becomes noisy, but is not yet cut off.
Uh, das kenne ich schon. However, "reichwinger" being an English word, to pronounce the ch in the German open-mouth-with-throat-spit manner would be pretentious--unless you are an actual neo-Nazi skinhead (which I am not, as I wear navy three-button suits and bankers' ties.)
posted by jfuller at 6:04 AM on April 21, 2006
> is a completely common, unloaded term to describe a lot of things (an empire, a dominion, an
> area of influence,
Hee hee. Sind sie immer so umständlich? "Reich" may not be a loaded term for Germans but it is and will remain a heavily loaded term for those with the experience of looking down the gun barrels of the Tausendjähriges Reich. As for the suggested fascination with Lehnworts, English is a Germanic language and, whatever may have been its etymology in the dim past of last week, "reichwinger" is now an English word.
> Try exhaling and slowly raising your tongue as if to say "hkh" but stopping as soon
> as the air stream is obstructed and becomes noisy, but is not yet cut off.
Uh, das kenne ich schon. However, "reichwinger" being an English word, to pronounce the ch in the German open-mouth-with-throat-spit manner would be pretentious--unless you are an actual neo-Nazi skinhead (which I am not, as I wear navy three-button suits and bankers' ties.)
posted by jfuller at 6:04 AM on April 21, 2006
From the comments
Chuck Pelto 20.Apr.2006 17:30
TO: Whomever
RE: Bring It On!
So...
...you wanna come out and 'play'?
Fine by me. I've been a player since 1970. But, be advised....I play (1) rough and (2) for keeps.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[God is alive...and airborne-ranger qualified. And so am I.]
P.S. Wear body armor. You'll need it. Colorado is a 'Make My Day' state.
You guys really need to have that second civil war, obviously the last one didn't sink in.
posted by longbaugh at 6:26 AM on April 21, 2006
Chuck Pelto 20.Apr.2006 17:30
TO: Whomever
RE: Bring It On!
So...
...you wanna come out and 'play'?
Fine by me. I've been a player since 1970. But, be advised....I play (1) rough and (2) for keeps.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[God is alive...and airborne-ranger qualified. And so am I.]
P.S. Wear body armor. You'll need it. Colorado is a 'Make My Day' state.
You guys really need to have that second civil war, obviously the last one didn't sink in.
posted by longbaugh at 6:26 AM on April 21, 2006
adequacy.org was teh troll to end all trolls.
posted by jeffburdges at 6:29 AM on April 21, 2006
posted by jeffburdges at 6:29 AM on April 21, 2006
From the One People's Project site:
We figured that since you like to put out the information of those you have manufactured outrage against, it would only be fair that we have the info we have on you available to everyone as well. Why is it that conservatives do something, then have the nerve to act shocked when someone responds in kind?
Emphasis added.
I was very much hoping some enterprising type would find Malkin's address and phone number. Two can play the game.
I've always wanted to see some liberal columnist write a piece consisting of nothing more than restatements of "classic" Ann Coulter lines ("My only problem with Timothy McVeigh is that he didn't drive to the Fox News studios"), then wait for the inevitable right-wing outrage at how DARE liberals drag the discourse into the gutter this way...
posted by kgasmart at 7:54 AM on April 21, 2006
We figured that since you like to put out the information of those you have manufactured outrage against, it would only be fair that we have the info we have on you available to everyone as well. Why is it that conservatives do something, then have the nerve to act shocked when someone responds in kind?
Emphasis added.
I was very much hoping some enterprising type would find Malkin's address and phone number. Two can play the game.
I've always wanted to see some liberal columnist write a piece consisting of nothing more than restatements of "classic" Ann Coulter lines ("My only problem with Timothy McVeigh is that he didn't drive to the Fox News studios"), then wait for the inevitable right-wing outrage at how DARE liberals drag the discourse into the gutter this way...
posted by kgasmart at 7:54 AM on April 21, 2006
Some of the addresses are abandoned buildings. The rest are car parts stores.
posted by Steven C. Den Beste at 7:22 PM EST on April 20 [!]
I think the real tragedy that people seem to be overlooking is how sad it is that these high level conservatives reduced to living in car parts stores and abandoned buildings.
Sad.
posted by Pollomacho at 8:55 AM on April 21, 2006
posted by Steven C. Den Beste at 7:22 PM EST on April 20 [!]
I think the real tragedy that people seem to be overlooking is how sad it is that these high level conservatives reduced to living in car parts stores and abandoned buildings.
Sad.
posted by Pollomacho at 8:55 AM on April 21, 2006
And yet an example of justice served.
posted by Astro Zombie at 11:09 AM on April 21, 2006
posted by Astro Zombie at 11:09 AM on April 21, 2006
SDB: I'm feeling neglected because I wasn't included. (Sob)
STEVEN C. DEN BESTE
12050 SW Canyon Rd
Beaverton, OR 97005
There you go, no need to thank me.
posted by SenshiNeko at 12:53 PM on April 21, 2006
STEVEN C. DEN BESTE
12050 SW Canyon Rd
Beaverton, OR 97005
There you go, no need to thank me.
posted by SenshiNeko at 12:53 PM on April 21, 2006
Huh huh, beaver ton. huh huh huh
posted by Smedleyman at 4:19 PM on April 21, 2006
posted by Smedleyman at 4:19 PM on April 21, 2006
I was very much hoping some enterprising type would find Malkin's address and phone number. Two can play the game.
They have, and it's online in a bunch of places--i won't link to it tho. (because i have at least some standards and principles and morals, unlike Malkin)
posted by amberglow at 12:32 PM on April 22, 2006
They have, and it's online in a bunch of places--i won't link to it tho. (because i have at least some standards and principles and morals, unlike Malkin)
posted by amberglow at 12:32 PM on April 22, 2006
Pshaw! You can't fool us!
posted by five fresh fish at 8:03 PM on April 22, 2006
posted by five fresh fish at 8:03 PM on April 22, 2006
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posted by Steven C. Den Beste at 5:23 PM on April 20, 2006